you worked for many democrat. how does a democratic a book at that moment?'s the mac it tells me my boss more retail politics. they need to be out in the community, talking to voters. that is something you don't really get in big states like new york, california, florida, texas. you saw that with ron desantis when he walked into a diner, how awkward he was. in big states they don't do that and it's so important. obama was a community organizer. joe biden took amtrak every single day, back and forth. they did things where they talked to normal, regular people and they, themselves, were normal, regular people. >> in conclusion, your sharp guy. -- you are a sharp guy. great to have you, good to see you. two sharp guys. a special edition of "the fall

back" and you can always check in with me. "the last word" is next., donald trump's red necktie friends, who alex was just talking about, came to the courthouse this week to praise one of the criminal defendants in the building and to attack district attorney often bragged , who donald trump falsely accuses of spending all his time and resources on the prosecution of donald trump. >> the people versus harvey wind team, we are moving forward in that manner. we intend to retry it, and the court sets a window for trial. we are already moving forward with that matter, having conversations with survivors, censoring their well-being and pursuing justice. we are here, now, because the

work of the office goes on in so many ways, as those of you have covered the office know the breadth of our work and that work continues. we have the expertise and resources to take on tough cases while dropping down crime alongside law enforced. that includes dropping shootings down 40% in manhattan, murder is down 17%. outpacing the citywide of .6%. >> that's a tiny sample of the work that district attorney bragged -- attorney alban bragg is doing, with his prosecutors and the cases they handle, every year. of those candidates for vice president really support that, they would have come to new york to congratulate alban bragg.

just when you thought a presidential debate that includes donald trump could not become more ridiculous, it has. president biden will be debating donald trump with one hand tied behind his back, legally. donald trump will, in the debate studio, will be claiming that every criminal prosecution but donald trump faces is being run by joe biden. donald trump says that every day. everyone has heard that before. we will hear it again on the debate stage and moderators will do nothing to contradict that because in their traditional view, that would be joe biden's job did debate moderators will use the standard playbook of allowing the other candidate to answer accusations made by the opposing candidate. but, what will joe biden be able to say about the prosecution of donald trump? maybe nothing. presidents not named trump

never comment on pending criminal cases. the most famous and possibly only instance we have of this is when richard nixon said in 1970 that charles manson was guilty of mass murder in the hollywood hills of sharon tate and seven others. >> i noted the coverage of the charles manson case when i was in los angeles, front page every day of the papers. a couple minutes of the evening news. here is a man who was guilty, directly or indirectly, of eight murders without reason. >> the problem was, charles manson was not guilty, yet. president nixon said that, in the middle of the manson family trial and defense lawyers asked for a mistrial because of the presidents undue influence on the jury. nixon made the statement just before the morning air force one intended to fly back to washington and as soon as the

plane landed, white house bath issued this written statement by the president of united states. "to set the record straight, i do not know and did not intend to speculate as to whether the tate defendants are guilty, in fact, or not. all of the facts in the case have not yet been presented. the defendant should be presumed to be innocent at this stage of their trial." >> the next day, at the defense table, defendant manson held up , for the jury, a los angeles times headline cyan "manson guilty, nixon declares." the new york times reported that the supreme court judge "took immediate steps to forestall the mistrial by questioning the jurors individually about whether the incident had prejudiced to them. all but one of the 12 jurors and six alternates testified that they had witnessed manson's action, but they all

said they could act impartially . one man said he hoped he could. just before the session ended, the judge also sentenced the defense lawyer to county jail for three nights on contempt charges for putting newspapers on the counsel table where manson could get at them. " the judge asked each juror to swear under oath that they would be able to reach a verdict based solely on the evidence presented in the courtroom. joe biden remembers the two days in 1970 when the president of the united states almost derailed charles manson's murder trial. everyone in high school -- in high school or older remembers. joe biden is a more careful person anymore careful lawyer than richard nixon.

joe biden has not said anything about the overwhelming evidence against donald trump in the criminal charges that he faces for violations of the espionage act and the illegal possession of classified material. joe biden has said nothing about the overwhelming evidence in the indictment of donald trump in washington, d.c. for conspiracy against the united states of america, conspiracy to defraud the united states of america by illegally changing the results of the presidential election. joe biden has said nothing about the criminal charges donald trump is facing in georgia, where donald trump was recorded on the phone demanding the charges change the vote count. any other candidate running for president against donald trump could attack donald trump in the presidential debate on every one of those cases, as long as that candidate running against donald trump or not the president of the united states. news coverage of donald trump

has worn out the word "unprecedented." but, here we are, tonight, at the end of a full day of news coverage of what will be the biden trump debates, and news media still has not even realize how unprecedented those debates will be, this time, because of the criminal indictments facing donald trump. there will be a nominee in the debate, facing at least three indictments, who will already have been convicted or found not guilty in an earlier child happening now in new york city. if there is a hung jury in the manhattan trial, that they are going to pursue a retrial of donald trump, then joe biden won't be able to talk about that case, either. the so-called debate that was already going to be ridiculous is going to be even more preposterous. it will be the theater of the

absurd. joe biden will just have one hand tied behind his back and then will be put in the legal straitjacket. the unfair benefit to donald trump is enormous. joe biden is a good lawyer. he could rip up donald trump in a debate, just talking about the criminal indictments against donald trump alone. instead, we will see the latest version of the standard tv debate format, which is already problematic to the point of absurdity. i have seen every televised debate in presidential history. that is how few of them there have been. most presidents were elected without debating anyone. that is how unnecessary presidential debates are. i was a little kid sitting on the floor of the living room, watching the very first televised presidential debate between vice president richard

nixon and that boston boy, senator john fitzgerald. i was in college, the next time they had a presidential debate, 16 years later, in 1976 between gerald ford and his opponent. televised debates are not mandatory part of presidential campaigning. they are a show created by and for television. they did not exist before television. no one thought they were necessary. the historically famous lincoln douglas debates were not presidential debates. they were debates for an illinois senate campaign which abraham lincoln lost. the television version of debate does not actually test presidential skills. in the rooms were presidents govern, they are never told they only have two minutes to respond to

what someone just said in that room. presidents never have to make decisions alone. presidents always have expert advice available to them, as much advice as they want or need. no one has ever run into the oval office and said mr. president, you have 30 seconds to respond. never. they never will. nothing presidential is actually being tested in the phony debates that the television industry pretends are invaluable, because they are really good for the television industry. candidates, standing there, alone on the debate stage, answering questions about how they will govern is an entirely fictional television will -- television construct of how presidents do their work. you don't need to remember everything about the tax code or the throw weight of missiles, when you are presidents. if the president struggles to

remember a name or number, no one snapped at him or panics or thinks the president is losing it. every professional working with a president, a serious president , knows that every president not named trump has the largest range of governing information and responsibility in his head of anyone in that room. everything from agricultural policy to the latest terrorist threat. if the faa director comes to the oval office to talk about the stress of overburdened air traffic controllers, the faa expects to know, and should know , a lot of the president knows about that subject. that is why he's there, to help the president. if, say, when the faa director is walking into the oval office , he sees the cia director leaving, the faa director should assume that she is

talking to a president who might be distracted by something much more serious and darker that he just heard from the cia director, then what the faa director is now there to discuss. i televised presidential debate turns on the childish function that the president is supposed to know everything all the time, about everything, and he is supposed to state the most important points about everything in two minutes to an audience that is a tiny fraction of understanding what is knowledgeable, serious president knows. what you want is a president who can think, and they almost never have to think in a debate. you want a president who can deliberate and ink carefully. they absolutely never have to think alone. what you want is a

president who has demonstrated the ability to find the best choice in the agonizing presidential situations of having no good choice. none of the presidential debate moderators, all of whom are very good at their work, have ever seen a presidential decision made. they have never been in the room where that happens, when it happens. they have never seen the presidential decision, on its way to being made. they have no idea how many weeks or years of thinking, by the president and the people around him, shaped that presidential decision that is announced to them in a white house press briefing. that is in no way a criticism of the moderators, announced today for the cnn and abc debate, each of whom will definitely do a better job than i could ever do in that generation. but, there is nothing moderators can do to fix the conceptual flaws of the very

notion of televised presidential debates, the flaw that was there at the birth, in 1960, when the television business decided to pretend that the presidential debate could actually be a window into how a potential president would actually do his work. joe biden started off this morning, with this. >> donald trump lost two debates to be in 2020 and since then he has not shown up for debate. now he wants to debate me again. well, make my day, pal. i'll even do it twice. let's pick the dates, donald. i hear you're free on wednesdays. >> that was 8:00. two hours later at 10:14, joe biden announced, "i've received and accepted an invitation from cnn for debate on june 27th. over to you, donald. as you said, anywhere, anytime, anyplace weird" half an hour later, donald trump accepted the june 27th cnn debate

invitation and an hour later, donald trump posted his accepting a september 10th invitation for an abc television debate. then, joe biden accepted the september 10th abc debate. the biden campaign laid down a set of conditions for debate this morning. the debates should be one-on-one , allowing voters to compare the only two candidates with any statistical chance of prevailing in the electoral college and not squandering debate time on candidates with no prospect of becoming president. the moderators should be selected by the broadcast host from among the regular personnel so as to avoid a ringer or partisan. there should be firm time limits for answers, and alternate turns to speak, so that the time is evenly divided and we have an exchange of views, not a spectacle of mutual interruption. the candidates microphone

should only be active when it is his turn to speak, to promote adherence to rules and orderly proceedings. good luck with that. leading off our discussion is andrew wiseman, former fbi councils, msnbc legal analyst and co-author of the best- selling book, "the trump indictments." thank you for joining us. as soon as i heard about the debates this morning, i began to wonder, i thought of richard nixon talking about charles manson, who he could not say was guilty, and i started to wonder, what, if anything, can the president of the united states, in these debates, say about his opponents indictments? >> here is what i think is off limits and what is in limits.

i leave to others the strategic call about whether to do it. i'm looking at what you can do. first, cases that have been criminal cases and civil cases that have been concluded are clearly within the limits. donald trump can be attacked or asks questions, and joe biden can talk about civil fraud, sexual assault, the criminal contempt, 10 counts of criminal contempt that were found by the sitting judge right now. all of that is concluded. that is all fair game. there is a norm that you referred to, which is for ongoing criminal cases. there's a norm, not the law, but a norm that you should not talk about them, and ensure that joe biden is going to adhere to that because his whole point is the department of justice should have its own separate being,

should make its own separate decisions, and the president should not be directing who should be charged and who should not be and weighing in on this criminal cases. that, by the way, is by contrast to not just richard nixon. i want to remind you of something that's a little close to me, which is when the palmetto furred jury was out, donald trump had no problem weighing in on palmetto furred and what a great guy he was. that was one of 10 enumerated ways in which we suggest did in the report that was listed as one of 10 ways in which you could find obstruction of justice by the then sitting president. he does not adhere to that, but i think that joe biden will. one final point, i do think that the underlying facts of the case can be talked about, meaning that just because donald trump has been indicted in connection with the january

6 case does not mean you cannot ask him questions about it and joe biden can't say, do you agree that the election was not stolen. what were you doing on the january 6, and why you let it happen? did you say it was okay for your vice president to be hand, why are you insisting on freeing people convicted? are you in favor of law and order? you're in favor of releasing some people live been convicted of not just participation in the assault on the capital, but assault on police officers, and there's a huge litany of the underlying facts that are fair game to ask about, just because he's been indicted does not mean he doesn't have to answer in a political way, to questions about those facts. >> we will have more to say about this as debates approach, especially with what judge cannon might pounce on it joe

biden says anything about that case in the debate. thank you for joining us. we will see you tomorrow with trial coverage. thank you. stomach joining us now is simon rosenberg, longtime democratic strategist. simon, here is the debate. joe biden got out in front to be the one who started the whole thing and he issued the challenge, he issued the specific points on the calendar , where he wanted to do it, and he got pretty much everything he demanded and wanted and asked for at 8:00 this morning. >> i think this was a really good day for biden. he looks like a strong and decisive leader. he wants to have a debate. you have this weird system a reality. we don't have this long primary, the election is decided very early. we are sitting around for six months and he said, let's get on with it. you want to debate, let's do it.

i think it's good for the american people to engage earlier in this process and not wait until the end of september and i think that this was a smart move both for our democracy, and for the biden campaign itself. i think the theory of the case that we have is that as people start to check in and realize it's really donald trump and really joe biden, that things will get better for us. i think we are beginning a process now of engaging in this consequential decision. >> so we will see what power shutting off the microphones has, if that's a rule they actually enforce. of course donald trump will keep yelling over a dead microphone. >> yeah, i think that the other theory is that we know from polling that people don't know a lot about what joe biden has done and they learned as his number goes up and they don't

know a lot of what donald trump is done. these things that andrew said are fair game, let's go through it quickly. six things that biden will decide which of these he will move into. we know now that donald trump sexually assaulted eiji and carol and committed one of the largest financial fraud in american history. we know he stole american secret and shared them with other people and lied to the fbi about it. we know he led an insurrection against the united states. we know that he and his family have taken money from foreign governments and that's more than any political family in american history and we know he is responsible for ending roe v wade. that's new information that voters don't know because they were all new since 2020. it's important that we share that with the american people and i think those six things, whatever they decide they are legally allowed to go into,

it's facts on the ground. none of it has to do with legal cases. things will get better for us. >> thank you . there's a big winner last night election night. donald trump once again lost 20% of the republican presidential primary vote to a candidate who stopped running more than two months ago. the biggest winner of the democratic side was angela also brooks who won a hotly contested primary for senate after being out bent, nearly 10 to 1. the democratic nominee for senate in maryland will join us next. and they have top-tier talent and everything from pr to project management because this is how we work now.

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larry hogan wants to make ted cruz the chairman of the senate and wants republicans to win back senate to become senate committee chairman. larry hogan once lindsey graham to become the next chairman of the senate judiciary. larry hogan wants rand paul to be chairman of the senate intelligence committee. after last night democratic primary, larry hogan now knows

who he is running against. >> the fight will not be easy. there are a lot of people who say, oh, it's maryland, it's a blue state. we can worry about another race someplace else. no. what we know is that maryland has been a blue state, but it will only stay a blue state. larry hogan is bff, mitch mcconnell. >> in addition to a strong democratic party support, angela also brooks also has the support of her daughter, alexandra. >> angela also brooks is my mom, but that's not all. >> she is also built 10 new schools. >> she invested in healthcare. >> she helped to bring the fbi headquarters to maryland.

>> she is working to expand quality education and kept the cost of prescription drugs and stands up for a woman's right to choose. >> angela also brooks will fight for us. >> i approve this message. >> joining us now is angela also brooks, democratic candidate for senate. thank you for joining us and congratulations on the big win. you had endorsements through your position as county executive in a county that is bigger than sums dates, but you were also out bent massively and were able to pull this off. >> thank you for having me. it's a wonderful feeling and it's been a wonderful day. >> what you expect to be the most important issue between you and larry hogan? >> there are many issues, the

issue of choice is the one that i hear most about. i have an 18-year-old daughter, and i'm so concerned about her right of privacy and freedom. this is an issue, they want them to have more rights. this is one of the issues that i believe will be a seminal issue in this election. the supreme court is an issue. sensible gun legislation. there are many issues, and i believe these policy differences will be the issues that divide us, and marylanders want to keep the senate blue. >> larry hogan has had his differences with donald trump, from time to time. if he's in the senate, he would

be doing everything that that majority republican senate could do to support donald trump. >> i think that's absolutely right. we saw that mitch mcconnell invited larry hogan, saying it was the get of the year. we also know that larry hogan will be voting with this caucus and has shown himself to be a person who does not support choice, a person who vetoed important legislation that would have expanded abortion care in the state, and we know he will be voting with this caucus, which, by the way, in a party that is led by donald trump. >> you are targeted by republicans because they have high hopes of winning that seat in maryland so that they can get the majority in the senate. >> this is the state that i have built a strong grassroots coalition across the state that i've enjoyed talking to voters where they are across the state, talking not only about my own

record about a positive vision for our state. around economic opportunity, growing jobs and income, safe communities where people can feel safe and be safe in their communities, the issue of choice and so many other issues resonate with marylanders and ultimately, i believe the policy the positions that i've taken are also consistent with the values of marylanders and they are going to vote to keep maryland blue and keep the democratic party in the majority in the senate. >> thank you for joining us on your first night as nominee. >> follow me, and thank you for having me. coming up, a rich republican is hoping to buy a senate seat in montana. jon tester has something to say about that. he will join us, next.

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if you are a rich republican who wants to be a united states senator, your easiest bet is to move to a republican state that somehow still has a democratic senator and use your wealth to try to buy that senate seat. that is the strategy of tim sheedy who has never runs the -- who has never run for office before and opened campaign headquarters in montana, 1000 miles away to try to win jon

tester's senate seat, meaning control of the appointment of federal judges and legislation. it's not the first time he's had to face a challenge from a rich republican who moved to montana. it seems to be explained by them voting for the man, not the party. his name is on the ballot, the only member of united states senate to can produce a campaign ad, quite like this. >> i am jon tester. third-generation, who also happens to be your u.s. senator. i grew up on the land my grandparents homesteaded over 100 years ago. since i was the years old, i knew i wanted to take over the

farm. when i was nine years old, i lost three fingers in the meat grinder. montana might be changing but we still get up early and work hard until the job is done because that is what montanans do and that is why i'm fighting to protect land, defend our freedoms, expand education and benefits for veterans, support public education, and lower cost for hard-working montanans. i will do what it takes to defend montana. you have my word. >> joining us now is jon tester, running for re-election to the senate and breaking news . another democrat agreed to a debate today. the jon tester senate debate was scheduled for june 9th. >> anytime you can have a debate was totally unscripted. i think it's a good opportunity

to see the candidate side-by- side and make a determination. they will continue to support public education. >> there are new voters. the last time you ran, there are new residents moving into the states. >> they need to know who i am and where i've come from. they work hard. agriculture is a big part of montana. making sure that montana values are protected is really important because people who

come here often time want to change montana. montana is the greatest state. we need to make sure that montana values are protected. >> you have issues that many other senators never need to think about, or do think about. one, for example, is postal service. i can't remember the last time i heard the postal service come up for a senator in a senate debate. >> look, the postal service is very important and is particularly important to rural americans and montana. the postmaster general who wants to basically rule our postal service and make it so you can't depend on the postal service to get important things like prescription drugs and everything else, the works. i really object to what the postmaster general has done to the postal service. the customer is always right,

so you don't reduce service to try to get more customers. you increase got -- you increase service. we seen the postmaster not understand distance. by the way, montana is not the only one. you ship the mail miles, it doesn't work for montanans and it doesn't work for the postal service. we need the postal service and we need to be able to do things on time, in a timely manner so i have a beef with the postmaster general. >> you'll love this. when the mailbox down the end of my street suddenly disappeared, some years ago, i had to go a mile or less to the next mailbox. the odds of having that are pretty slim. not only that, but scattered

delivery has changed because of previous processing centers. it used to be a couple days, you will have to go a mile and a mile back, but let me tell you, that's important is if we keep that service, it's important for economic growth and families and businesses who live in montana, so it's important. >> senator jon tester, who gives us a real picture of american life in a way that no other senator can, thank you for joining us. >> i got to say, if folks want to help me out, go to jon tester.com. thank you. coming up, i have admired no congressional correspondent more than luke rosser, who surprised us all one day when he decided to quit his job on nbc news and go off in search of the world and what the world

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in the new afterword to his new york times best-selling book, look for me there, our next guest, luke russert,

writes this. >> when i was deep in the throes of writing the first draft of look for me there, full of self-doubt but also stubborn determination, before i ever dreamed of a publishing deal or becoming a best-selling author, a woman who is now my fiance asked a simple question: why are you writing this? tens and a bit touchy, i blurted out a passionate answer that came to be my guiding light during the writing process. i don't care if this thing ends up in the bargain book box at a gas station and sells 10 copies. if some kid who lost their dad finds it and it helps them feel a little less lost, well, that's the best reward i could ever have. that's what i'm trying to do. >> luke russert, the only child of the great meet the press host tim russert and the brilliant journalist maury north got his start at a much younger age than his father

did. then a few months after starting the job, luke russert was delivering what were, for me, the best reports of congressional action on capitol hill available on television. when reading an advanced copy of luke's book, look for me there, grieving my father, finding myself, luke russert's writing, beautiful writing, and his wisdom, and the way he opened his heart and mind to the world in backpack travel all over the planet left me in awe. for a deskbound anchorman, luke russert's book, the perfect father's day gift, took me to far-off places in this world that i will never see, but i can almost feel i've been there. and learned a lot along the way. thanks to luke. joining us now, luke russert, his best-selling book, look for me there, grieving my father, finding myself, has been released in paperback. luke, thank you very much, the

afterword is such a beautiful addition to what was already such a powerful piece of writing. >> when i wrote the book i thought i was writing for my own generation, millennial's. kid who lost their father, and i realized there's a lot of older people who lost a parent as well who have never been able to go and process that grief. so i got letters from people in their 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, multiple letters for people in their 90s, and the common connective tissue for all of those was, i ignored something for a very long time. i never really went and did a grief journey. it's something that hung over me or had always been there and i was able to read your book and finally realize, there's a whole community of us out there. the earlier you realize that, the earlier you realize that you're not alone, that there are those of us who carry the weight and we're turning to the place of peace, the faster that

healing can start. don't wait until your 97, 98. >> i was so gradual i read the afterword about your ambition was can i help one person with this book. the cause what i loved, when i read that i already knew that you helped thousands of people with this story. those of us who haven't suffered a tragedy similar to that, reading your relationship with maureen, your mother, the way it can have frayed edges, the way all family relationships can have frayed edges and angry moments and you see these same two people who were arguing back here on page 97 in this wonderful moment, 10 pages later, and it's life, it's the way we live, with family, with everyone we know. >> a lot of people reached out to me, they said i've often found myself waking up at some point later on in my life, thinking, was my career a big

mistake? is that really what i wanted to do? is it okay to have a radical shift? and one of the things i talk about and i learn from my leaders is that you really have to have self forgiveness, that either feel that their lost loved ones would want them to do something so they have to keep doing it, or that their family is depending on them to do something so they have to keep doing it and there's a lot of truth to that, you should be dutiful but there's also a point of, if i'm not doing okay, if this is not my path, it's all right to change, no matter how old you are. i was touched by people who did career shifts in their 60s and 70s as well. >> you have the soul of an explorer and that becomes apparent right away, in the first couple pages of this book, before we know how far a journey we're going. we begin the maine woods, the travels, not that exotic but farther away than you think, we end up in places on the planet

that are amazing and that's all you, the adventurer. >> i realized that to figure out who i was i had to get out of this bubble that i had grown up in washington, d.c., away from the privilege, away from politics and challenge myself and go to the world and experience it. my mother, who was a peace corps and all volunteer in columbia, she taught me that you can measure yourself against the world, put yourself in places where you don't know the language, the culture, and get by, then you'll learn a lot of important life lessons. so i did to six continents over 67 countries and it was an incredible journey. i'm so privileged to have, what i came out of it knowing is that we are a lot more alike than we are different and we are the better for it to explore those differences and come back more whole. >> thank you very much for coming back with this. it is, it really is the perfect father's day gift. the book is titled, look for me there, grieving my father, finding myself. thank you, and thank you for the book. we'll be right back. back.

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