biden has been elected president of the united states. >> the people of this nation have spoken. they delivered us a clear victory. >> we were not surprised by the election. we were not surprised by the results. we are not surprised that georgia is at the center of the universe and flipping this whole country because a number of us have done the work and built the base that made it possible. >> you can watch battleground georgia sunday at 9:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. i'll see you tomorrow morning on vele she. if you're in the chicago area i might see you in person. i'll be at the chicago humanities festival tomorrow along with my friend and colleague, jen psaki. i'll be at herman hall at 3:00 p.m. for a conversation about the responsibilities of citizenship and social justice and my small book, small acts of courage. for tickets go to chicago humanities.org.

hope to see you tomorrow. that's tonight's last word. the 11th hour with stephanie ruhle begins right now. former president donald trump's new york hush money trial is off today as the former president attends his youngest son's high school graduation in florida. >> for a moment it looked like the house republicans might lose control of the floor because so many republicans have been going up to see donald trump at his criminal trial. >> there are things we could say that president trump is unjustly not allowed to say. >> the judicial system in our country has been westernized against president trump. >> this is a scam, it is a sham, it is a show. >> that courtroom is depressing. one of the most depressing places i have been in my life. >> i'm sitting here. >> michael is the prosecution's star witness. >> he's the only one who has testified before the president had advanced knowledge of the plan to pay off daniels. >> does any reasonable, sensible person believe anything that michael cohen says? >> the defense says they'll finish their cross of cohen monday morning. >> i can't campaign now instead of sitting in a very cold

courthouse. >> good evening once again. i am stephanie ruhle. we are now 172 days away from the election and it was a pivotal week in the former president's new york criminal trial. star witness and ask trump fixer michael cohen took the stand and he faced cross- examination where trump's team questioned a key part of his testimony. meanwhile, trump's of loyal republicans trashed the case on his behalf in front of the cameras outside the courthouse. today trump himself had the day off of the trial so he could attend his youngest son beren's high school graduation. you're in luck. knew graduation but it is time for the nightcap. it is a great one. meiko jones is here, editor-in- chief of the world's greatest magazine, vanity fair.

andrew wiseman joins us, former fbi general counsel, former senior member of the mueller probe. he is now an nyu law professor and an msnbc legal analyst. nancy giles, emmy-winning contributor to cbs news sunday morning and one of our favorites on the nightcap and one of my favorites at this whole network, michael steele, former chairman of the republican national committee, former lieutenant governor of ireland but you know him as the cohost of the weekend right here on msnbc. welcome to you all. andrew, you know we are going to you first. your assessment of this week in court and the fact that you are not wearing a red tie with trump is disappointing to me. >> not a mini me and i'm not seeking the vice presidency, so actually on that, that's a really good segue. that and the denigration of the rule of law which is them standing out there, repeating this sort of donald trump, the rule of law is for other people, it's exactly what connects this to justice alito and the flag outside. >> you're jumping ahead to. give us your assessment of this week in court. >> you want to do court.

i thought the whole idea was to sort of liberate, look beyond. >> how do you think things went? >> it's interesting. todd blanche finally had a good day. but also it's michael cohen. before he went on, is there anyone here who said oh, that's going to go well. it was not going to go well as he has committed so many different crimes and there's so many different ways to cross him. putting it in perspective, i have never done a trial where there isn't something where the defense is about one of your cooperators, oh, they are lying, this is a gotcha moment. you know what this was? he made a mistake and that's it, and of course, by the way, defense is going to say oh it's a lie but it was obviously a mistake because you know what, there are six other calls they have not touched with the president of the united states and actually those calls and those conversations are much more important. but you know what a mistake,

it's a good thing for the defense. want to capitalize it. they want to say it example buys the whole case but we'll see what the jury thinks. >> how do you think todd blanche did, because he painted michael cohen as a sleazy liar and hustler but here's the thing -- -- donald trump hired him to be a liar and a bully and a hustler. >> that's probably one of the more fascinating aspects of todd's approach to this because the guy you're trying to paint in a certain way was the guy that donald trump himself wanted. michael was his cone. he was the guy that he wanted to be his fixer lawyer. >> roy cohen who eventually was disbarred. >> he wanted him to be the lawyer who would go and really fix things for him, and so that would entail everything that

todd mclellan would say what about this, this and this, donald trump wanted me to do that. that's why he hired me. i was fascinated going into this week, andrew, with this idea that somehow the defense is going to have that moment, that sort of gotcha moment, and significant, but at the end of the day the guy sitting in front of you went to jail for the guy that's on trial right now, number one. number two, everything that michael cohen did, he did at the instruction of donald trump. michael cohen is not cutting a check for $130,000 without talking to his wife first. not happening. so the reality of it is where michael cohen ended up was the space that donald trump put him in long before they landed in that courtroom. >> totally agreed. he had to refinance his house. >> he had to refinance his house. >> he didn't have the money lying around. >> what lawyer asked that way? >> a lawyer who pledges himself. you remember michael cohen worshiped donald trump at the

time, worshiped him. >> also worked for him for many years and learned his playbook, and it's interesting. trump is such a master at projecting the bad things that he does onto other people, but in this case it's actually playing out. >> yeah. i was in an acting class. this is going to connect, wait a minute. it was a front for scientology, i'll just say it, so i know what it's like to be around kind of a cult and to sort of be a little worshiping toward somebody. i feel for michael cohen. i feel for him. he's shown a lot of bravery. he said he lied. he paid the price. his family was threatened. now he's trying to do well and i will say this -- when he was in, when he was donald trump's conciliatory, he was really in, and now that he's out he's really out and i respect that kind of consistency. >> and we talk about this red tie brigade? all these republicans who made their way up to new york city, some of them currently elected officials, many of them auditioning to be his vp and

they stood outside that courthouse and they attacked the rule of law. what does that say about what we may be looking at four who our next vp could be? >> it's a reminder of what the trump circus looks like and i feel like we had a little bit of quiet for a small period but now this trial is reminding everyone that with trump comes spectacle and comes performance, and that is what we will be signing up for if the country elect him again. >> i want to know, are any of these people who voted for them, did any of their constituents in their home states, are they asking, did lauren boebert take the day off to come to new york? who paid for her train ticket? where is she staying tonight? if i had a friend on trial in another city, i would take a day off of work if i wanted to go, but no, they are not doing their jobs in dc in their home districts. >> folks don't care. they don't care. it's why they're there. the bigger prize is donald trump looks at them, number

one. the second biggest prize is donald trump looks at them again and that's kind of their existence, why are they there? why are you in new york? what purpose does the speaker of the house have that a trial for a criminal defendant in another city? >> they're not doing their jobs. they should call themselves the freedom from doing our jobs caucus. they're not doing what they should be. are their constituents really cool with that? >> yes. i mean they want him to get reelected in november. >> let's bring this back to michael fallon. when michael cohen testified in front of congress and he was getting attacked by the sort of jim jordans of the world, he said i know what you are doing, i used to be you. i'm telling you this is how it ends. this is how it ends. don't fool yourselves and i know what you're doing. i used to be you >> that is self-aware, you've

got to give him that. >> look, you know you get caught, that's what happens and he got caught. >> really? alan weisselberg wouldn't say that. he just keeps going to jail. >> but that's a different kind of loyalty. that's a very specific kind of loyalty that transcends anything that michael cohen brings to the table. >> is that loyalty that he's saying i'm at the end of my life, i want my family taken care of forever. >> it is that godfather seen. >> there you go. let's talk about what i know you're interested talk about -- samuel alito. if you haven't seen it yet, it was now released that the new york times had the photo in front of his house on an upside down american flag for a period of time was hanging, some january 6 participants did it. it sort of resembled a stop the steel. he's now saying no, it was my wife who did it. it wasn't me. what is your take on this? an awful lot of people think this is absolutely crazy and how could he possibly preside over anything that has to do now with the election interference and donald trump and immunity? >> two thoughts. one, the cover story of my wife

did it and she did it in response to a neighbor -- >> the neighbor did call him the c word. supposedly. >> i'll turn a flag upside down. >> first of all, thank god they had a photo because otherwise the story is not true. so they had to come up with a cover story. is it his house? is the flag not in front of his house? so it was up for a number of days, what, he didn't see it? and i guess he's prohibited from talking to his wife about the flag on the lawn that is a stop the steel? it is the most absurd story ever. now let's go to the substance. that is the through line. this is the through line between trump, the red tie brigade, justice alito saying at the immunity argument that we cannot trust the criminal

justice system, is why presidents should not be held criminally liable, because even though i am a supreme court justice and a former u.s. attorney, we can't trust the justice department or even our criminal justice system so presidents should just be able to roam the earth without any criminal liability. this is the through line. he is like in the tank. >> it ties to that, it ties to the dobbs leak, it ties to clarence thomas's wife. what do you think? >> they should not blame their spouses. that's where i just get off the train there. i'm done with this story. >> may be it's to say no more here for me. >> it's just appalling and another example of how the supreme court also feels like they should have no rules. there should be no conflict of interest. i should get a big suv from

whomever. it's baffling. it's horrifying. >> when you throw your wife under the bus, that's a man's move right there. it's a man's man. that's a real man's move right there. >> if you're chief justice roberts, let's assume he is distressed by this. let's say he is absolutely upset. can he do anything? >> anything, speak out. >> what does that do? >> actually, it could a lot. putting him in terms of the nine, he could speak out, too. he could actually signal to congress that they should hold a hearing and instead of saying i'm not coming, he could be like i am coming. he could say, you know what, i am in support of transparency. i am in support of you're thinking of having a mandatory conflict rule, obviously we need it. there are a lot of things he can do. the one thing about roberts is -- if you're the chief justice and you see what's happening, he does have an institutional concern. leaving all the sort of partisanship aside, he has got to be thinking i've got a huge predicament. >> you would think if he cares about the legacy of his court, you would think --

>> i would submit at this point, that's shot. i think the recovery for the roberts court is going to be very difficult, largely because of everything that we've talked about, and then the stuff that's yet to come. because there's a june 30 deadline that's coming up in which some big cases are going to fall and then there's going to be next year, on the heels after a presidential election. it's just an untenable position for this court and i agree with you, andrew. what i know about this justice, and i spent some time with him in space, he is very much an institutionalist. he is honored by the service that he's been asked to provide and he is broken a bit by what is around him. i promise he doesn't know how to really fix it. >> i just want to say we can't even discuss the supreme court without going back and laying the blame at the devilish mitch mcconnell and how he maneuvered and manipulated and got -- i'm

sorry. >> i'm going to take a small exception here. >> you didn't like the devilish part? >> it wasn't the devilish part. i'll take the devil when it's due what did the democrats do to stop him? y'all can talk about mitch mcconnell all day but at the end of the day you did nothing. the thing that's key and important here, republicans have been telegraphing for almost 10 to 15 years with their target was. >> that is true. >> hello. i know. we talked about it in 2010. it wasn't just about obama care. it was why state legislative races were important. it was why congressional races were important. and senate races. it was a complete package and the democrats thought that they could just run on the idea that they had a better idea, and the reality of it is you didn't. >> and they thought it was far too offensive to entertain the idea that ruth bader ginsburg

should retire. alas she did not. we are going to take a quick break. when we come back, biden and trump are no strangers to voters so will a debate rematch really move the needle in a tight presidential race? later we're talking sports but not anything that happened on any field on this planet. we are going to get into the fallout from a graduation speech given by a guy who kicks field goals for a living when our nightcap continues. 11th hour, have a great night. . but at what cost? turn shipping to your advantage. with low cost ground shipping from the united states postal service. ♪♪ hi. i use febreze fade defy plug. and i use this. febreze has a microchip to control scent release so it smells first-day fresh for 50 days.

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it is official. president biden supposedly and donald trump will meet face-to- face for the first time in almost four years. the candidates agreed to two debates, one with abc and one with cnn. the first is just over one month away our nightcap is here . michael, what are your thoughts? because both guys are saying, like i got him. what do you think of this whole thing? i'm going to tell you i personally do not believe donald trump is actually going to show up. >> so i'm with you. i agree 100%. i don't think donald trump is going to debate at all. there is no incentive for him to do it, from his perspective, really, because he already thinks that this election is going to be rigged against him. so why bother? >> he doesn't want to talk about policy. >> he doesn't want to talk about policy, but to the biden team i give kudos and props because it threw everybody

yesterday, as we like to say, everybody, all right, threw them all off. >> he went full -- >> from the washington press corps to the political class, everybody was sitting there going, what, and it became the conversation and the biden team owned it. trump team owned a little bit of it, too, in terms of how they would come back into it but i thought it was a good move for the president to go, i'm ready, here you go, wednesday is on. bam. and it was the person of trump to respond, and what i heard a little bit of birds sort of chattering about was the team was a little bit upset because trump took the bait right out of the gate and said absolutely, let's do this you know they're talking about no audience, timer, you know they're going to be cutting off your mic so when they look back at the rules, that's going to

be the slide out the side. >> about nancy, i believe that trump jumped in and said, yes, i'm going to do it because for trump, he also changed the media narrative. he created a new story this week that didn't involve us talking about criminal defendant trump. suddenly he was candidate trump again and could he be the aureus that's a big move for him. he doesn't have to address now whether he's going to debate. he's going to find an exit strategy. >> of course he took the bait and he did shift the strategy from people talking about the criminal case to that. number one, he's a coward so i think but if he said he's going to and doesn't, he'll look even more foolish. >> i'm just saying this but i would hope, i think there are no audiences in these debates. in a way i was hoping there would be because i wanted the biden people to bring the central park five and put them in the front row of the audience just like trump put

all of those women in the audience to distract hillary clinton. because i think that they should hammer things like that when it comes to trump and to bring that stuff up that trump, even after those young men were found innocent, still wanted the death penalty for them. >> you think that's going to change something? i'm not saying it's not reprehensible but do you actually think that's going to change somebody's vote this year? >> it starts a conversation where they need it. they need to understand this brother wanted to hang our own even when they were found innocent. >> exactly. >> first and foremost, they're coming for you next. >> they both show up for debate. is this an opportunity for joe biden to dispel this idea that yes, they're both old joe is

sort of the weak, feeble one because that's what people like to say. trump, i know they're both old but he's kind of big and strong. if these guys are standing shoulder to shoulder that's an opportunity for president biden, is it not? >> absolutely. he is the sitting president. is interesting that they are both presidents. you don't have it usually in a debates. they both have been president. but i do think it's a big opportunity for him. the first one is in june so it's before the convention, so it also just gets his voice out there in a format that he's proven to be pretty good at and i think you know he can remind people of some basic facts like okay, democrats are here to try to protect your remaining abortion rights. you know, because there's a lot of let's say misunderstanding that still persists in our culture about who is responsible for what and i think that democrats have been running well on issues around reproductive rights, for example, and you know the economy under biden has not been a trash fire and he needs to remind people of that.

i feel like this is a forum for him to do it, not the convention but an actual debate. >> he needs to remind people that the borders haven't been open and last i checked, he just tried to do something on immigration with support from both parties until donald trump stopped it. i want to share something senator mitt romney said. i had a chance to interview him. watch this. >> i think president biden made an enormous error. he should've thought like crazy to keep his prosecution from going forward. it was a win/win for donald trump. had i been president biden when the justice department brought it to my desk, i would've immediately pardoned him. i would've pardoned president trump. >> andrew, that is principled, decent voice of reason, republican mitt romney saying joe biden should've pressured the doj and ignored the rule of law. what are we looking at here? >> i'm surprised by that. i'm not the political person

here. >> but you do know the rule of law. >> exactly, so for the rule of law, by the way, i love that we are talking about will he show up for the debate and by the way, this is the friday before we will hear on monday whether he's going to take the stand. i think what i'm hearing is he's not going to debate and he's not going to take the stand. so basically it's like i want to know account ability. i'm just going to spin. the president of the united states, the current president of the united states has completely the right way of dealing with the department of justice and we can deal with whether we think the department of justice has acted early, sufficiently, et cetera, but the one thing that you have to have for a democracy is it's got to be independent. you do not want the president sitting there saying this is a you prosecute and this is you don't prosecute, which is exactly what donald trump was doing. >> you have to weigh in on romney's comments. you know this man. >> yes, and admire him greatly, and was disappointed in that because history has told us how presidents fair when they pardon a former president. and that's one of the reasons why mr. ford did not have a first term, right? so the reality of it is the

country does not look as kindly on that as we pretend to think that we do. and i think that if, particularly given the character and the nature of this particular criminal defendant emma that if joe biden had hardened him, that they would have really taken a blow to andrew's point, to this idea of the rule of law that at no point in time under any circumstances whatsoever or any particular fact pattern will a president of the united states be held accountable for their action, and that is the worst possible signal to send from any sitting president. >> i want to talk about the worst possible thing we saw in washington this week and it was a hearing that took place last night, okay? a hearing to hold attorney general merrick garland in contempt. i did it happen last night, not during the day? because of all those republicans who are up here applauding donald trump and i want to share just a bit of this hearing. these are elected officials, our congresspeople.

watched. >> do you know what we are here for? you know we're here -- >> you the one that's talking about -- >> i think your fake eyelashes are missing up. >> listen to >> order. >> mr. chairman. >> order of your committee. >> why don't you debate me? >> mr. chairman, the minority -- >> you're out of order. >> you don't have enough intelligence. >> the chair recognizes -- moved to strike the record. >> order. >> imagine a seventh-grade going on there class trip to washington and witnessing that. what in the world is going on here? >> i don't know what her endgame is or what motivates her. marjorie taylor greene. i guess it's those things but even with those goals in mind it's just so degrading to the institution and to --

>> adulthood. >> adulthood and any sense of the kind of respect that we would want to accord our elected leaders. >> it's not even that cutting a remark. your eyelashes are getting in the way. she could be improved by eyelashes. let's go there, why don't we? why doesn't marjorie taylor greene do her job? and again i go back -- >> she's not there to do that job. >> to her constituents -- are they cool with this? i can't believe it. you really think so. >> who is going to beat her? no democrat is going to win in that district. >> there is no republican who says this is so humiliating. >> in a primary she knows she's safe. lauren boebert has a whole other story with her sign on the shoulders. >> she doesn't even live in her district anymore. we are going to leave it there. when we come right back nfl

kicker harrison butker sure fell flat on the stage this weekend. how his comments on working women, pride month and abortion are getting this guy torched by even nuns when the 11th hour and the nightcap continue.

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nobody knew five days ago and everyone is talking about now. this guy gave a commencement speech at a small catholic college and he is getting major backlash for his message to graduates. i'm just going to play one of his controversial takes, in case you haven't heard it yet go watch this. >> i think it is you the women who have had the most diabolical lies told to you. how many of you are sitting here now, about to cross this stage and are thinking about all the promotions and titles you're going to get in your career. but i would venture to guess that the majority of you are most excited about your marriage and the children you will bring in to this world. >> he also said that pride month was an example of a deadly sin. he took a swing at taylor swift, obviously her fans went bananas. she of course is the girlfriend of travis kelce, who is a star of the team, but his comments were so offensive that they even pushed the nfl -- the nfl, of all organizations, to distance themselves from him, and my favorite, a group of

nuns, a group of nuns who sponsor the college delivered a full takedown of this guy i need our nightcap to weigh in. radhika, i want to start with the most beautiful irony of this. this football or, if you don't know what that vision is, it's the boy runs onto the field, kicks the ball and then goes back to the sideline, his mother is an esteemed physicist, okay, ethical physicist from emory university yet he's all our role in this world is to be the wind beneath the wings of our husbands. >> you know when i was watching this i tried to put myself in the position of one of his students and i thought, just big picture here, this is a moment to inspire your audience, impart some hard- earned wisdom, and i was like, i would just be baffled sitting there for -- if you even agree with him, it's just like it's so weird to take that platform

and use it -- i mean but it worked because it was trolling and now we are talking about him. >> the majority of the audience did like it. the majority of the country does not. what do you think about it? >> a couple of things. i'm offended when people talk about the role of motherhood. as a single woman who didn't have kids, because i think lots of nurturing aspects go with other kinds of work. that's the first thing. the second thing is you said the nfl even came out against it and this is the quote. his views are not that of the nfl as an organization. the nfl is steadfast in our commitment to inclusion, which only makes our league stronger. yeah, but not for colin kaepernick. this is way more offensive. i want to say i'd love to give a graduation speech at a male university and say i think after careful discussion with any woman that you might want to impregnate, all of you should get vasectomies. let's do it. why are guys talking about women and their bodies? shut up! >> okay, hold on.

i want to give you the rivers there. is there an argument to be made that maybe he should say this? maybe us telling him to start it, unquote shut up and dribble, maybe we shouldn't. maybe he should get to voice. i'm not saying i agree with this but what do you think about that argument? we shouldn't tell this guy shut up and just play football, kick the ball, don't play the whole game. >> listen, if you're not a football fan you should understand he's not involved in the throwing, the tackling. >> you try to kick the ball 50 yards. >> was in, i might not be able to but i bet some superstar female soccer players can and i think they should start trying out for the team. >> they can try out and then that's sometime later i guess but for the moment i think i get the excitement behind this. my problem with this speech was the pure bastardize asian of catholic doctrine, which was so off the rails and it is evidence of fractures within the catholic church now between

very hard-line traditionalists. i was a former seminarian, augustinian seminarian. i have great regard for the trinity tridentine mass, the traditional ways. i like that, i like to go from time to time but i understand where the fathers of the church have taken and brought us into now the 21st century. and this hope is the pope for all of us, not some of us folks. so there is that doctrinal piece of the puzzle. >> does each give a bad name to catholics who already have a branding issue? and i'm saying this as a catholic. >> on a different level. >> so much more of a thoughtful analysis than this speech merits. it's amazing. >> elevated the whole enterprise. >> monday he's showing up at 100 center street with a red tie. >> what's your second point? >> my second point is, and this is where i think societally we've gotten sort of off the

rails a bit. this was a speech given at a private catholic college. this was not for general public consumption. now media has pushed it out there, social media has put it out there but this was different from colin kaepernick for this reason -- colin kaepernick made his protest on the job, at work, at a game. this was in a private setting in a catholic university to a speech to a group of catholics. >> who gave him a standing ovation. >> who gave him a standing ovation, so that notwithstanding, the context in which the speech is given and in which the protest is made matters and it matters to the nfl, which is why they can take the position that they're taking. it's not lico, we don't agree with the speech. it's like we are distancing ourselves because this does not come within our bounds. this does not touch our purview, because this was a public -- this was not a public.

this was a private setting. now it is public and we are all digesting it publicly but you know, harris had an opportunity to share his views to an audience that well received it and it's no different than when you would go and give a speech at a private institution and share your views that you would otherwise not share on your job. >> i'm not allowed to do that because i just stay in my house and cook and clean. the wind beneath my husband's wings. >> selling them out for putting the flag upside down. >> way to bring it full circle. >> pretty cool. andrew, your take? >> of course he has a right to speak. when we get to judgment, of course he can say at. >> nobody would judge it if someone hadn't shared the video. >> welcome to the century. >> but you watched colin kaepernick on the field and that's the only distinction

that i'm drawing. >> i understand. >> i agree with colin and i had no problem with him doing what he did in that setting because sometimes on the job you've got to make it clear to everybody what's up right? >> yeah. >> but i think some of the reaction to bacher's speeches not taken in the right context of how he gave it, the situation he gave it. >> it's fair to say he wasn't speaking for the nfl but i don't care whether he was in the privacy of his own home and he just wrote his little tract that said what he's saying because it's gross what he said. >> but these are his views and he's okay with them. new topic. somebody else whose views were out for the whole world to see, a whole bunch of comedians ripping apart tom brady. tom brady participated in, was

the subject of, the executive producer of a roast where a whole group of comedians, you know, lit him up, set him on fire, and at the time of the roast tom brady seemed to like it. it went phenomenally well. he has now said he deeply regrets it. >> oh come on. >> because it was terrible and hurtful to his children. >> tom, do you know what a roast is? it involves meet being on a rotisserie, fire under you, constant. did he not know that? >> he wasn't just a subject of this. he was the executive producer. >> he produced it. >> those comedians went after the mothers of these children, people in his lives, and if you watched the roast, he didn't go up to the head comedian and complain about that. the only time he did was when they went after the owner of the patriots, bob kraft. that's when he whispered knock it off. what is your take on this? >> i think everyone is playing their appointed part in this little drama. netflix wanted to have a live roast and they got tom brady to do it and he is an american and knows what a roast is, and the comedians came and they came

and slayed and now everybody will watch the next live roast on netflix if they can book someone. and you know, and of course he's going to say he regrets it because gisele got mad at him, as she should, and it's just a natural cycle of entertainment and -- >> kind of cause and effect. >> and accurate. i actually prepared jason kelce, now retired from the philadelphia eagles, what he had to say about it on his podcast. watch this. >> i don't get why people do roasts go i don't get why they say ha ha ha, my family is ruined, it's so funny. >> my family is ruined, it's so funny. what do you think about this? >> roasts, i love roasts. i think they're some of the best ways in which you get to have the opportunity to check

your own self, because in that moment you are now the subject of everybody's iyer and derision and hopefully in a comedic, funny way. >> but michael, it's not just you. all the people in your immediate world, your spouse, your children. it's one thing if you're a public person. you can't help it that people are going to talk about you, but when you choose to participate in something that could then humiliate you and your children, that's a hard decision. >> if you're going after the children and the spouse specifically, typically you -- particularly if you're executive producing your own show, you got to tell people, look, y'all can come after -- thank you -- y'all can come after me all day long but gisele and the kids, we are not playing that because i got to go home. >> the only issue he took was that bob kraft and the massage

parlor. >> to get to bob kraft, and that's why gisele got passed her to hold on, they just called me all this stuff and said -- and you stopped the show because they were about to say something about bob kraft? yeah, that's the way it is and you know, there you are. >> the next roast? >> dwayne wade may be. everybody is saying when we return our nightcap is back with the mvps of the week. who had the biggest week 2 you don't want to miss this.even be

winner, you might be the mvp of tonight. i'm not sure. i know that tomorrow morning i am going to be watching you right here on msnbc. >> i tried. >> it was very good. radhika, andrew, nancy, michael, thank you also, so much. we are going to be right back after a quick break. break.

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