♪ ♪ welcome back. 11 a.m. eastern, and 8:00 a.m. eastern. i am josé diaz-balart alongside my friend and colleague, ana cabrera. in the trump case, the defense rested. the jury is now done for the week, but the judge will meet with prosecutors and defense attorneys this afternoon, and that's when they will discuss the instructions the jury will be given before beginning their deliberations next week.

vaughn hillyard outside the courthouse. >> reporter: at 2:15 eastern time, the two parties will re-enter the courtroom, donald trump included with judge merchan. the jurors are gone until next week, and this is going to be the charging conference. this is where the two sides will present to judge merchan how they believe the jury instructions should be delivered to the jurors next week. we can expect tension here because of the extent to which the law that is being alleged that donald trump violated, the 34 felony accounts, kind of a complicating factor here. of course, we are talking about the falsification of the business records, elevated from a misdemeanor to a felony because the district attorney alleged donald trump violated an underlying crime, an underlying offense. there were four different potential offenses that the district attorney's office presented as possible violations that could have been -- amounted

to the underlying crimes, including the federal election campaign act as well as a new york state statute, which gets to the heart if donald trump at least intended to violate those crimes with the payment to stormy daniels. we should expect pushback about what some of the language should look like, and it's complicated and it will be up to the jurors when they go in to deliberate what could be for several days to determine if donald trump, in fact, violated each of the 34 counts. that's what we expect here this afternoon when the two parties re-enter the courtroom with the judge. we know donald trump has gone back to trump tower here during this effectively longer lunch break, but we are told he will be returning this afternoon for that charging conference. >> let's bring in lawrence o'donnell who has been in the

courtroom all morning. always a pleasure to see you. what did you see? >> reporter: well, this morning began in a really unusual way. yesterday, of course, had that explosive situation where the judge ordered the courtroom cleared, and clear the courtroom are words most people working in that courthouse never heard in their lives. that's how rare it is. i asked a retired judge who was actually in the courtroom yesterday observing how many times he had to clear the courtroom in his career, and his answer was, as i expected, zero. i spoke to court officers who said they never cleared a courtroom before and never had to do it. one of the striking things about the way we began today is there was a massive presence of court officers in the room. there are usually five to seven court officers standing around the room as a protective measure for a former president of the

united states. you would not have that many in a normal trial that did not include a defendant like this. today that show of force by the court officers was at least doubled. many of the higher ranking officers were there, and they are distinguishable by the white shirts, the sergeants and captains. it was a stunning sight. i could only wonder what it meant to the jury because there's not much that changes in a courtroom, in fact from day-to-day for a jury, nothing changes, and the only thing that changes is there's a new witness and that's about it. here they came into a courtroom that had these court officers posted all over the room in positions they had not held before, and so the jury is left to wonder what was that about. over the course of the first hour, that presence was reduced. something closer to normal, but

it was still a striking thing for that jury to walk into today. >> right. >> reporter: in terms of the testimony, it really was the defense's chance -- sorry, the prosecution's chance to cross examine costello in a way he was clearly not ready for. yesterday one of his signature lines was the email speaks for itself when asked about emails, and today when the prosecutor would read a really bad email for robert costello, and then just say the email speaks for itself, right? in this instance, his answer was sometimes and he would change it up. one of the emails was from costello writing about michael cohen claiming he was his client, and michael cohen said he was never costello's client,

and in that email he called him an asshole, and he said my only interest was michael cohen. i was only working on behalf of michael cohen when, in fact, he has an email in which he says about michael cohen, what should i say to this asshole, he's playing with the most powerful man on the planet. the prosecution's point was costello's interest was in the most powerful man on the planet and he was there in every moment with michael cohen trying to protect donald trump. >> i am wondering, lawrence, if you had a chance to look at the jury during costello's testimony and if there was any reaction that you could see from your vantage point? >> reporter: you know, this is as professional as jury as you can get, and it's an odd term to use when it's amateurs that

never had done it before, and i was two rows behind donald trump, jr., and there were other trump supporters in the other row, and nobody had an unobstructed view from all of the jurors, and you could not read anything from any of them, impatience or confusion, and they were always attentive to the area they were supposed to be attentive to. most of the time their heads and focus were turned to the witness stand without giving you a clue of what they are processing and taking away from that witness stand. >> make sure and watch more from lawrence o'donnell tonight, 10:00 p.m. eastern, 7:00

pacific. >> and let's get to two -- two others. the defense rested and the jury has been sent home for the next week until they return. lisa, what stuck out to you? what do we need to know about how this proceeds now? >> well, let's start with what stuck out, ana. susan hoffinger performed one of the most masterful cross examines i have ever seen and effective today. as lawrence just noted to you, she played off of something he said yesterday, that the email speaks for itself, which is something lawyers say and not witnesses. but then she continued to return to it as a trope when he fought

her characterization of things, and instead of forcing something from him, she would say, the email speaks for itself, and that was fun to watch. and not only did he testify yesterday that michael cohen was his client, and the person he was interested in was michael cohen, and today there was an email shown in which it says tune in to cnn and see how they are playing it up. this is during a period of time in which they thought michael cohen might flip, and there were those in the former president's world almost antagonizing him to do so. he has to know this and he continues to slow play us and

the president as if his interest and the president's -- meaning donald trump's interests, are aligned and are not always in conjunction of cohen, and castillo was portrayed today that the truest thing he ever did was suss out who bob costello truly was, and to be suspicious of him as he strung outs information. >> susan, what did you think? >> when i think about costello, i am stepping back and wondering why they called him. there was so much animosity about michael cohen, and they wanted to get somebody up on the stand and attack michael cohen and it was not going to be donald trump. i wonder how much damage they did with the jury on this.

they did, from their perspective, they landed hits on michael cohen on the last day he was up, they got him to admit they stole from the trump organization, and then right away we had a hard start with costello and it went off the rails yesterday. the jury is out for a week, and they are left with the thought of michael cohen, and is he a liar and how much testimony can we believe? they are left thinking in part, at least, the last person up was bob costello and what was that all about? that's what i am thinking about as we watched the jury leave the courtroom today for a week. >> suzanne, do you think donald trump was happy with costello's performance or, you know, answers? >> i think -- you never know, but i would imagine that he is, yes. i think he wanted somebody to get on the stand and attack

michael cohen. he got what he wanted from it. i think you have to remember, there are two things going on here. there's a criminal trial and a court proceeding and then political theater going on to the left of me and in the courtroom with all of donald trump's surrogates coming in, and today -- not even today, but they are playing to the political theater and costello played into that rather than what was good for donald trump in the courtroom. he was good for donald trump the candidate. >> what is good for donald trump the candidate may not be best for donald trump the defendant. how do you see the defense today? >> i'm sorry, josé, can you ask that one more time? i am having a hard time hearing with all going on around here. >> how did you see the defense --

>> oh, how did i see the defense today? >> yeah. >> on the stand, they wanted costello to say michael cohen was a liar, and in order to believe that you have to believe that michael cohen somewhere in the interactions with costello was telling the truth, and so when michael cohen, for example, told bob costello he had nothing on donald trump in april of 2018, he was telling the truth then. that means they believe that michael cohen is capable of telling the truth for some period of time. the defense sort of boxed itself up in a way, because the version of events that they want the jury to believe necessitates believing that michael cohen was a truth teller for some time, and that switch is intelligible. michael cohen didn't trust bob costello, so they gave them a version of events that he felt was safe, and even though it was

not true, but he knew at the time, and that continued once michael cohen decided to cooperate. i think the defense had a rough morning. the true measure -- i apologize we are seeing trump surrogates move in all around us going back to the courthouse and also moving back to the protests park right behind us as we speak. the truth test of the defense will be today when we have our charging conference on the jury instructions. in large part, part of what we determine whether this case succeeds from the prosecution standpoint is whether they obtain jury instructions that allow the jury to understand what happened here in terms that are beneficial to the prosecution. i will give you one example. the statute that deals with the falsification of the business records will hold trump liable even he caused somebody to falsify them, and the definition

of the word cause is an issue, and the jury has to have instructions on cause, and does that mean you told somebody or was it actions you took. it's the latter instruction that the d.a.'s office wants. if they get it they come closer to being able to win the case, so let's see what happens this afternoon, and it's essential from a legal perspective. >> thank you. up next, our legal panel will talk about how effective the prosecution and defense were. >> we are back in 90 seconds. you are watching trump on trial on msnbc. trial on msnbc (vo) if you have graves' disease... ...and blurry vision, you need clear answers.

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17 past the hour. welcome back to msnbc's special coverage of donald trump's first criminal trial. right now the court is on break, and the prosecution and defense rested their case, and the jury is dismissed until next week. >> but later today the attorneys and judge will return to the court. joining us, rebecca, a former manhattan district attorney, and

paul butler, former federal prosecutor and now professor at the georgetown university law school, and also an msnbc legal analyst. chuck, what elements of the prosecution's case do you think will stick with the jurors? >> hopefully from the prosecution's perspective, all of it. i mean, they have called 20 witnesses and introduced scores of documents. the idea from the prosecution's perspective is the entire chronology, the whole story resinates with the jury. in fact, you use summation, you use the closing argument for that purpose. there's a tendency, i think, by human beings to remember the thing that happened most recently, and not the thing that happened four or five weeks ago. so in a good closing argument, they will knit all that together, ana, with charts or some sort of summary, and the prosecution will relive, replay the entire case. it's a documents case and also a

witness case, and among the witnesses, many of them tied mr. trump to the overall plot, but certainly mr. cohen was most essential in connecting trump to the scheme. prosecutors will go through all of it. >> rebecca, so the fact is that, you know, documents and witnesses are important and the decision by the prosecution to have as their final witness, somebody who has credibility issues and that they all knew it, what do you think that witness was for? >> well, going through the documents. witnesses like hope hicks, who the jury is just going to believe. they use those as building blocks, and then they got to michael cohen, and most of what

michael cohen said was already corroborated. they had a bunch of witnesses leading up to him, admitting to what a flawed human he is, rather than being defensive about his personality and propensity to lie. all of that made it such that when he took the stand there was a lot less they had to believe coming out of his mouth. there were a couple meetings uncorroborated, and it's not critical the jury believes it but important the jury believes it, and it's dots they have to connect, and you don't want a jury thinking this is a liar, he's a pathological liar, i believe nothing that he says because so much was corroborated, the jury was probably not left with that impression. >> so paul if the jury is

thinking about their last impressions, right, with robert costello on the stand for the defense, really their key witness if you were to say a defense's key witness, and he got in clashes with the judge and was somewhat combative with the prosecutor as well. what do you think their impression is that was left of the defense's case? >> you know, it's hard to know what actually a jury is thinking, but from a strategic point of view, i think it was a really poor decision to call costello as a witness. in a sense, the defense had no great options, and legal analysts has been saying throughout the case, if it looks like the government is winning now, that's how it should look because it's the government's case. when the defense started its

case, it still looked like the government was winning so the prosecution made its case, and the defense had a risky choice to make. why did they call costello? maybe because that's what the client wanted? maybe it was concern, though, as that dramatic moment yesterday when the government says, your honor, the prosecution rests, and if blanche had said, the defense rests, and i think they would have heard gasps from the jury. michael cohen, as the judge reminded us, is not on trial. ironically, i think he ended up bolstering cohen's credibility. cohen said he didn't hire costello because he didn't trust him, and now that looks like good judgment from cohen.

>> yeah, shown by all the emails from yesterday and today. >> yeah, and how do both sides kind of reset themselves for what is to come next week? >> even though the jury is going home and going to take care of their personal lives, the government and the defense attorneys are going to be working. i mean, i was just telling rebecca during the break, i hated this part of the trial because the defense rests and you feel like you are done, and you have not slept well or eaten well and have not exercised, and now you have to do jury instructions. you don't get to go home. instructions are important, essential. and you are exhausted. how do you reset? they have more time and can work on the argument and rebuttal and can get everything in order, but they will be working the whole time. it didn't feel like the reset to me that i always hoped it would feel like.

i was exhausted at this part of the trial, josé, and i just wanted to be left alone and you can't do that, you have to stay focused and work on the instructions, because they matter. >> this is a jury that has shown up promptly. there was not a single juror that left since the trial started, so they remained united in that sense. rebecca, what do you think this long break could mean for the jury in terms of the impact of having all the testimony behind them, and they have the whole week to sit on it, right? >> absolutely. i am sure they are talking about some of the evidence they heard and some of the most explosive moments are not the most relevant legally, so as chuck was saying, the summations are extremely important because they are going to refocus the jury on maybe the less salacious points in the trial but on the ones that are legally relevant.

so what they are thinking about during this week may not be what they most need to think about, but once they are given the instructions by the judge and hear both sides, they will be refocused on the parts of the testimony and evidence, documents that are most legally relevant to the decision they have to make. >> so paul, this is a trial by jury but it's clear that in this specific case the judge's role in the jury instructions makes it critical. >> it absolutely does. jury instructions are this lethal combination of being long and boring but also super important. when judges get reversed when a defendant is convicted, it's usually on jury instructions because what the judge has to do is explain law, quite complicated law in this context, in a way that lay people, ordinary citizens can understand.

that's quite different. we will see that back and forth this afternoon. >> i have to just wonder what trump would have said if he had taken the stand. it was no surprise, i don't think, that he chose not to take the stand or at least agreed not to take the stand. do you think, rebecca, that was a positive or negative for the prosecutor? >> that he didn't take the stand? >> yeah. >> it would have been a fun cross-examination for the prosecutor. these lawyers are experienced and my guess is they would have had a lot of fun in that situation, and it may have worked in their benefit in the way that the cross-examination of bob costello seemed to have rebounded into their camp that the defense had not yet planned. i don't know. i think he's gone out publicly and said so many things about the case that we can knit together, and one of the comments was interesting,

something to the effect of we did nothing wrong when we -- what do you mean "we "? this is the key of the case. did you have anything to do with it? you admitted that at a press conference. the prosecution could have used statements like that to undermine his best legal claim right now, his best legal claim being, okay, all of this was going on and i was busy as president and had nothing to do with it. that's the one remaining defense. i don't know how he could have survived that if he took the stand. >> why did they leave that out then? if that was fair game, why wouldn't they have pounced on that? anybody have an idea? >> i think part of it is the way in which he speaks. he speaks -- it's very hard to pin the meaning -- a meaning on the former president because of the way in which he speaks. everything is unclear. he back tracks and doubles down and doubles over on his words.

if he directly had gone out and gave some kind of comment in which he said clearly i caused these records to be created and there's nothing wrong with that, and that's an admission. these are semi admissions. >> i wanted to add one point to rebecca's excellent point about cross-examination. in this case the government called 20 witnesses, i believe, which meant the defense did kpeu cross-examinations, and the defense attorneys called two witnesses and i am not sure they crossed one of them, if they did it was minimal, and that ratio, 10 to 1. that's about right. the number of times a defendant took the stand, i have two observations. one, it almost never happens. two, when it does happen it tends to be a disaster for the

defendant. your case tends to get stronger and not weaker. i am not at all surprised mr. trump did not take the stand. i guarantee the prosecutors were more than ready. i know that was my practice, and i assume you all had similar practices to prepare for the defendant, and you start preparing for that the day you open the file to begin the investigation. >> lawrence o'donnell was asking other attorneys that were there, you have ever had a case where the judge clears the courtroom, right? i am wondering from all of you that had such profound experience, how unusual was it yesterday for the judge to clear the courtroom. >> never. >> i saw it on "law & order" once, but never real life. this is a first. to chuck's point about how much

practice defense attorneys get doing cross-examinations, that's true. you would think they would be better at it than we heard in this case. i think the cross of stormy daniels will go down in infamy as they portrayed her as a sex worker, and i don't think that will go down here. >> trump is a candidate, and he does this thing where he basically says i did nothing wrong and there are a whole lot of conflicting stories he tells. it works for him, and he throws things out and some things stick. as a defendant, this has really backfired and it's part of the reason why his lawyers have been so poor to cross-examination. instead of being focusing in on

messaging to the jury, they are all over the place. for instance, they opened with the claim that stormy daniels is lying. he never met this woman before. of course, she doesn't sound like she's lying about that. you can make the case without having to say everything the former president was perfect and amazing, but if he's your client, he wants his lawyers out there saying everything was perfect and amaze but cross was all over the place trying to make every single point instead of the one point that could have been effective to the jury. >> the one point with respect to stormy daniels, she had no idea of how the books of the trump organization were kept, and she didn't do it and never saw them. paul is exactly right, and rebecca is exactly right, the cross-examination of stormy daniels was awful. look, i will be the first to tell you it's easier to do a cross-examination in a

television studio than in a courtroom, but it was awful because you could have defanged her entire testimony, to rebecca's point, by simply pointing out she knew nothing about the records that are the heart of the case. again, easier in a television studio. >> yeah, there's an inside the courtroom life and reality for donald trump, and there's another one very different in many ways, almost the dichotomy of what he has to say and prove outside the courtroom in the political realm. >> he almost gave up, sometimes it seems, the strategy in the courtroom. constantly going out and saying how corrupt the judge is, you know, it's like that is just not a good strategy from a legal perspective. antagonizing him. seeming to have no respect, and the same thing with bob costello, who rolled his eyes

and said, geez, strike that. being disrespectful to the judge is not good, not good for the judge, and the jury is watching, and who knows, but it seems like they are take their job seriously. >> no doubt about it. everybody stand by. much more to discuss. thank you for that analysis. up next, why judge merchan's jury instructions will be critical. >> we will talk to a new york attorney that helped to re-write the rules for the system. you're watching msnbc. (ella) fashion moves fast. setting trends is our business. we need to scale with customer demand... in real time. (jen) so we partner with verizon. their solution for us? a private 5g network.

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instructions. >> joining us now, a veteran new york trial and appellant lawyer that helped write the report surrounding new york jury instructions. thanks for coming on. it's great to have your expertise here. the process here in new york is unusual but critical. we have heard others say jury instructions can make or break the case. how do you see it when it applies to this case specifically? >> that's absolutely right, but it's important to know that new york is unique. in every almost every other jurisdiction in the united states, they are set out by the judge before the beginning of the trial, so before the lawyers open to the jury about what they are going to prove and before they close, they know the relevant landscape of the law, and not here in new york, the instructions are not decided by the judge until before the

closing statements, and that's critical because without the instructions for the jury, it's like applauding with one hand. there are two narratives in this case as we know with regard to stormy daniels. one we know the cover-up was to keep the information from his family. the other was it was to influence the election. how does the jury know what to do? therein comes the instruction. is it ladies and gentlemen, for you to convict you must find the exclusive reason was to influence the election? or suppose it says alternatively, all you have to do, the motive was in whole or in part to influence the election. depending on what the judge charges has a huge affect on what the jury decides. >> this case was never about michael cohen. it's about the laws violated by

donald trump. what jury instruction can you give to the men and women that will focus on what exactly is the role of a michael cohen? >> right. the judge will give a charge which pretty much mirrors the indictment as to what is relevant here, and probably just mirror the language of the indictment, which in substance is, do you find that there was false bookkeeping with the knowledge of the president and the concealment or the false bookkeeping was to commit another crime or conceal another crime? they will get an instruction that will pretty much mirror that, and there's more important instructions. there's a stock instruction from what they call the uniform instructions, which is credibility. they don't know who to believe. what if they believe the witness testified to something truthfully, maybe cohen did, but then lied many times. the instruction will say you are

the finders of fact of credibility and if you find a witness told a lie about something you may consider they lied other times or maybe they did sometimes or you can accept what they say now or reject it in its entirety. that will focus the jury on how they should deal with the attack, for example, on michael cohen's credibility. there's other evidence in this case which the prosecution will elude to in the closing statement. documentary, including the checks that trump signed, the sheet which showed the breakdown. there was a lot said in the news, there was a lot of focus yesterday on the fact that cohen, you know, had lied about, you know, the money that was shown on the sheet, 50,000 -- >> that he stole money. >> you know how important that will be? it may be argued that it's of no importance at all.

>> donald trump keeps on about how he could not get a fair trial in new york because the jury would be automatically predisposed to be anti-trump in some way. you argue if there's a place for donald trump to get a fair trial, this is the case. can you explain? >> sure. new york, if you are going to be a defendant, you better be in new york. it goes to the way in which our juries are picked. lawyers can question jurors personally, and in federal court the judge conducts the questioning. we found through the social research, if a jury expresses doubt about whether they can be fair, the judge conducting the voir dire, not withstanding you can't be fair, nobody wants to disappoint the judge. but when there's a red flag, they get into it.

don't you think it would affect your decision in this case, and they will go on and the juror will say, maybe you are right, let's excuse him. >> and then the strike -- >> yeah, for a class a felony, it's 20 per side. if it's a lower degree felony, it's 10 per side, and you have to call hundreds of people but it's a good process. >> they have 12 jurors and 18 alternates, and they are still there. >> thank you for your perspective. >> thank you. up next, the political impact of the trial. >> you are watching special coverage on donald trump's criminal hush-money trial, only on msnbc. ring makes vacations h, early retirements possible, and startups start up. because it's smart, dependable, and steady. all words you want from your bank. for nearly 160 years, pnc bank has been brilliantly boring so you can be happily fulfilled... which is pretty un-boring if you think about it.

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46 past the hour. welcome back to the special coverage of day 20 of trump's hush-money trial. right now the court is in a break until this afternoon after the prosecution and defense rested their cases. it comes as trump's campaign is navigating their response to a since deleted video post on truth social. >> let's bring in jonathan allen. tell us about this post. what is at the heart of this controversy? >> this was a pro trump post that was reposted on trump's truth social account.

it basically in it predicted and praised a coming, quote, unified rike. for history, the first reich was the nazi regime that attempted to take over the world. there's a reason nobody talks about a unified reich because of the third raoeubg. a spokeswoman for the campaign said it was not a campaign video, and it was created by a random account online, and the real extremist is joe biden who

turned his back on israel. i should just add as a piece of context here that in the past there are only two people that have access to donald trump's account, donald trump and his aide, dan scavino. we know trump has been posting truth social posts while he's in court, and the idea it would have been impossible to do that is contradicted by he has been posting, and the campaign is blaming it on a staffer. the biden administration already has a response. put that up on the screen for the folks. america, stop scrolling and pay attention. rule as a dictator over a, quote, unified reich.

while you warn of a bloodbath, and he knows the democracy continues to reject his extreme vision of chaos, division and violence. president biden is expected to address this and this is the kind of thing his campaign wants to talk about, they have a vision for democracy and have shown a record of strength in democracy, and trump is offering something quite different that alies with the quote, unified surrogates. eric, consistent. today was the first time donald trump, junior. why hasn't more of his family been there? >> if jared and ivanka wanted to be there, they would be there. they are not. melania is more complicated.

we discussed this last week. if she's in that courtroom, it kind of undercuts trump's argument he was paying off stormy to prevent her from finding out about the allegations. it's understandable why she's not there. as far as ivanka and kushner, they have the ability to show up if they wanted to. it's been eric standing by his father's side. >> good to see you. thank you for joining us. up next, we will play what the israeli prime minister just told our stephanie ruhle. u... ♪ and doug. (bell ringing) limu, someone needs to customize and save hundreds on car insurance with liberty mutual. let's fly! (inaudible sounds) chief! doug. (inaudible sounds)

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benjamin netanyahu. biden calling it outrageous. the court requested arrest warrants for hamas leaders. >> this morning, stephanie ruhle spoke with prime minister netanyahu. she asked him to respond to the arrest warrants. netanyahu responded to cindy mccain, who runs the world food program, saying there is famine in gaza. >> my response is no different from president biden who said this is outrageous. many people across the political spectrum, in the united states and leaders of democratic countries around the world, have called it exactly that. it's a rogue prosecutor who is out to demonize the one and only jewish state. cindy mccain, unfortunately, is misinformed. the facts prove otherwise. we flooded gaza with humanitarian aid. the whole thing of a deliberate starvation policy is ridiculous. >> joining us now, matt bradley.

what's the latest from the international criminal court? >> what we are waiting on is not just the announcement that the prosecutor is seeking charges. we are waiting for the charges to drop. we haven't seen that. that's the next big step. if that happens, the charges aren't necessarily going to have benjamin netanyahu or the hamas officials thrown into jail. that's unlikely. israel, like the united states, is not a party to the founding treaties. it could really complicate benjamin netanyahu's ability to travel as well as leading hamas officials. this is something that is really more symbolic than anything else. it's one of the strongest rebukes against israel and hamas on the international stage. what we are hearing from netanyahu isn't just outrage at the fact he is getting -- he is facing these charges or the charges might come against him. it's the fact that he is being put on the same level, in such an esteemed international court,

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