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new york hush money trial. in iran, thousands of people showing up today for the funeral for the country's president as the u.s. and other world leaders worry about what tehran will do next in the region and beyond. plus, three european countries now recognizing the palestinian state today. the u.n. enforces -- are forced to halt food and aid into gaza as israel fails to provide protection from military attacks. this as cease-fire talks remain stalled. we will talk to the parents of an israeli american hostage. they are here pressing for the release of those being held. ♪♪ good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. as president trump awaits closing arguments, the judge's instructions and the hush money trial going to the jury, important developments today in the mar-a-lago classified documents case.

trump defense attorney todd blanche will try again to get the 40 federal charges in the florida classified documents case thrown out. when judge cannon convenes a hearing on the dismissal request in 90 minutes. the second one today. she recently post poponed the tl indefinitely. critics say she's deliberately slow walking the case. newly unsealed filings from the judge who oversaw jack smith's grand jury is citing strong evidence that the former president illegally intended to hide boxes at his mar-a-lago estate. the unsealed information from that federal judge revealing that even more classified documents were found inside donald trump's bedroom at mar-a-lago, months after the initial fbi raid. the chief judge writing, no excuse is provided as to how the former president could miss that classified material. revealed in newly unsealed court

records, never before seen photos of walt nada moving boxes. we start with joyce vance, former assistant d.a. catherine christian, and former prosecutor and criminal defense attorney, duncan levin. joyce, to you. judge cannon's 1:30 hearing is on a motion to dismiss the indictment because of alleged procedural failures. this is the second time they tried that. what are they arguing? do you think the judge will go for it? what do we think of the way she's scheduling the pretrial hearings and has canceled the trial date? >> right. this is a judge who let motions sit and sort of fester on her desk instead of dealing with them. then she used that backlog as an excuse for further delaying the trial. andrea, prosecutors will tell you, federal prosecutors who have done this kind of case -- i'm one of one -- that this

could have been ready by last december or at least by january. the delay is all on the judge. the motion that she's considering this afternoon is sort of a classic example. this is a technical legal motion. in essence saying that prosecutors indicted something that doesn't add up to a crime. it's the motion that most judges would dismiss out of hand. judge cannon is hearing argument on it. in her hands, it's tough to predict what the outcome will be. >> duncan, the fbi is responding to trump's bogus claim that the agency authorized the use of deadly force during the mar-a-lago raid. trump's allies are describing it as an assassination attempt and an ordered hit. the fbi says that's nonsense. what is donald trump trying to accomplish there? >> i mean, this is all part of his pr war against law enforcement. this is one of those instances where, frankly, a little information would go a long way to quell some of this outrage. i don't think the public

realizes how dangerous it is to execute search and arrest warrants. we can say in hindsight, it was a safe location, this is mar-a-lago, mr. trump wasn't even there. they don't know what they are going into. they don't know if someone has a gun. they don't know what's happening much search warrants are meticulously planned by law enforcement before law enforcement goes into a location. a few points are worth showing. no one was assassinated. it was a contingency that's not only in this search warrant but was in every search warrant. this is not the fbi acting on its own. it's vetted through the departmentof justice and signed off on by a judge. there's nothing to this. it's faux outrage. it's more intended for public consumption than any court would look at as some violation of his due process rights. >> catherine, the jurors in new york hearing the new york criminal trial, we have all been

together for weeks now on that and certainly next week is consequential, so the criminal trial is out until next tuesday. judge merchan is crafting jury instructions. which side came out on top, if anyone did, in yesterday's charge conference? >> i think it was probably a draw. the defense attorneys asked for things they knew they weren't going to get. judge merchan is -- he is going to stick to just tradition. new york judges follow what's called the cji, criminal jury instructions. this case is a little different. falsifying business records have been indicted many times. but never has it been attached to a new york election law crime or a federal election campaign violation. that's the difference. that's what makes this a novel prosecution. the judge is aware of that. so he is going to try his hardest to make sure that these

instructions are fair, because fair means that it's fair to both sides, but particularly the defendant. you don't want to get a reversal if there's a conviction. >> how complicated -- it seemed complicated during the charge conference yesterday which we were tracking minute by minute. you were next to me. it seemed very complex. he is going to boil it down. he indicated several times he wanted this to be understandable, plain vanilla as best it could be in this complicated situation. these jury instructions are really critical as the jury begins deliberations, probably wednesday. >> they are very critical. there's also critical that the jury understand what he is instructing them on, particularly for the prosecution. you don't want the jury to go back there and be confused. confusion means reasonable doubt. reasonable doubt means a not guilty verdict. the judge -- there's a reason why he is not giving it tomorrow. he will take a lot of time.

he may take a little from each side or disregard what they want. he is going to make sure when he reads those instructions after the summation, the jurors will go back into that jury room and understand what he instructed them on. >> just to housekeep here, joyce, let's talk about arizona. in arizona, a dozen trump allies, including rudy giuliani have pleaded not guilty in the fake elector scheme to overturn the 2020 results. it's an important part of the conversation in this election as well. all of these vice presidential want-to-bes who have been questioned, refusing to say whether they believe they would honor the results of the next election in 2024. in arizona, they face nine felony counts of conspiracy, forgery and fraud. this is not the only place. there's michigan, other states where this is being litigated. obviously, georgia.

>> you know, theoretically, a prosecution like this is available in every state where the trump campaign ran a fake elector scheme. the reality is that we're seeing them happen only on political lines, where there's a democrat attorney general in that state. i think that that's unfortunate. what you would really like to see is top prosecutors, attorney generals are sometimes called top cops, in every state looking at evidence and bringing prosecutions regardless of the political fallout. that's not what we are seeing here. it's important that arizona brought this case. they in many ways are a marker. they and michigan are markers for other states where we are not seeing them. >> now we are all up to speed on the courts. heavy dose. we can at least take a deep breath until next tuesday, when new york reconvenes. joyce, catherine, duncan, thanks to all of you. mixed messages.

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abortion pills a controlled, dangerous substance, which these are pills used for medical treatment after miscarriages and other health issues, not just abortion. this is a dramatic step. it would make possession without a prescription punishable with fines and jail time. it's a pending decision in the u.s. supreme court. that's expected sometime in june or at the latest the first days of july, before the end of the term. speaking to a local tv station in pittsburgh, kdka, former president trump was asked whether he supports restrictions on contraceptions. >> things really do have a lot to do with the states. some states are going to have different policies than others. i'm coming out within a week or so with a very comprehensive policy, which i will get to you immediately. >> that caused a storm. mr. trump tried to walk his comments back on truth social yesterday writing, i have never and will never advocate imposing restrictions on birth control or

other contraceptives. there's a lot of ambiguity out there. joining us now, "new york times" correspondent peter baker and maura eliason. peter, let's talk about all this. donald trump says that he is going to have a comprehensive policy within a week or so. he has been all over on abortion and contraception. are donald trump and the republican party more broadly just struggling to come up with a cohesive stance that's going to satisfy all of the different constituencies in the party? >> yeah, it's remarkable that here we are in 2024 and we are having an argument about contraception. that didn't seem to be a debate that was going to be reopened more than 60 years after the supreme court said there's a constitutional right to contraception. here we are. it's possible that he misunderstood the question in that interview and he thought they were talking about abortion drugs or drugs that are known to

cause abortion and not talking about standard contraception. in any case, it raises the question of what he is talking about and why he would have a policy on contraception to begin with and what that policy could be. in keeps the republicans on the defensive on a subject in which they have already seen political trouble as a result. >> this is, of course, after the ivf controversy in alabama. i want to ask you about the white house -- the white house position on all of this and the campaign position, because they are seizing on this. >> this is one of the best issues for democrats. republicans are like the dog that caught the car. for years and years, all they had to say was i'm pro-life. they didn't have to ask the question, when does life begin? they have been able to avoid all this. every single time abortion rights have been on the ballot since roe was overturned, the abortion rights side has won. that doesn't it's going to turn red states blue, but it does

mean it's going to help democrats. the biden campaign thinks it will help them turn out suburban women and flip some. >> let's talk about the student loans. the president today is trying to announce -- he is going to announce a new round of federal student debt forgiveness totaling $7.7 billion. this is an important initiative giving what's happening with young people who are angry with him on other issues. they have stumbled. the rollout of this program has been unnecessarily complex. there's criticism on the hill and elsewhere and among recipients about the way this is working. right? >> yeah. this is obviously an important issue, as you rightly point out. gaza and the row te protests one campuses have gotten attention. if you look at polls, gaza is low on the list of concerns for younger generation.

they are concerned about their ability to get a job, to find housing and to pay off loans when they get out of school. those are big issues for many young people. there's a disappointment on the part of some of them that the president hasn't delivered as much as they thought he was going to. he planned to have a larger, more comprehensive student loan forgiveness program. it was struck down by the supreme court. he has been trying to do it in this piecemeal way to try to get around the legal issues. that's obviously caused some hassles and uncertainty on the part of young people. what he is trying to do with this is say, i'm on your side. i'm trying to take care of these issues that are important to you. >> this is important for him today to try to get this message out. frankly, the trump trial has been dominating the news. joe biden has been doing things, campaigning and making announcements and cutting ribbons. they have been frustrated.

>> tens of millions of dollars have been spent. many events have been held. president biden has been trying. the public polls are not budging. donald trump has a lead in the battleground states. they are frustrated. what they can do is use the power of the presidency. use executive orders like this one. they can reclassify marijuana. they can do everything they can to appeal especially to young people and hope that it changes the dynamic. >> of course, the high risk/high reward debate initiative. peter, before i let you go. the prime minister has called a snap election to a lot of surprise. you and i both follow this. he is speaking outside downing street. it's for july 4th. thinking he has an advantage now. we thought that they were on their back feet and this might be a time for labor to come back. >> yeah.

we had thought there would be an election later in the year. they are trying to move it up. he is taking a page from biden's book in calling for that early debate. let's get going. it has a huge risk/reward capacity here. in fact, you are right, they have not been doing well politically. they have been in power for a while. they are defending a lot of seats that they don't seem to be able to hold on to. it's a big risk. it's coming at a time in which there will be international meetings. the president is going to europe to celebrate the normandy anniversary. he will be there a few days after that in italy for the g7 meeting in which the prime minister will be there. they have the nato summit. this is coming at a very important time in terms of european solidarity and alliances. >> at a time of confusion and dismay over the palestinian

state, over gaza, tehran an unknown. this gives sunak a time where he can, during the election -- a brief election campaign. he can be the world leader on the stage. it's the best scenario most likely for him to look like a player and be a player. peter, lots of travel, lots of ceremonies, now a british election. thank you so much. maura, great to see you. coming up, an nbc news investigation into a far right group pushing for new laws to punish women who have abortions, potentially sending them to jail or worse. first, a critical transition. huge crowds fill the streets of iran to mourn the loss of their president. my conversation with david ignatius on how tehran's next steps could impact the u.s. and our allies. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports." this is msnbc. , i'm all in with clearer skin.

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i believe pakistan also. joining me now, david ignatius, the author of the new thriller "phantom orbit." you are amazing. he writes these novels on top of the wonderful column. >> fun for me. i hope for readers, too. >> going to places where most people -- most reporters and most columnist don't venture. a hands-on reporter. congratulations on the book. i want to talk about iran and the extraordinary transition. raisi was not that consequential a leader. he was an in-between leader. he was expected to be the suck -- successor to the supreme leader. the supreme leader is known to be ailing in some ways. he is in his 80s. now there's a succession issue. the foreign minister is consequential. he was a handliner, but he was a

go between on some of the talks. there were talks last week between the u.s. and -- indirect talks, they say, between the u.s. and iran on so many issues. >> raisi was a figure of the regime. he was the enforcer. he was the judge. he was the disciplinarian. i'm told that u.s. intelligence estimates were that he would not replace the supreme leader. the likely successor is his son. in that sense, there may be less instability than people might think. the replacement of the foreign minister is fascinating. the person who is acting foreign minister is the individual who has been meeting with our deputy national security advisor, top white house personal -- >> that's what i meant. the foreign minister's successor is this man who has been -- the other thing is, as you well know, the u.s. intelligence

assessment has been iran did not want a wider war in gaza, that it said its proxies were doing this, but hezbollah never opening a real opening in the northern front. they said they didn't have control over the houthis and what they were doing, but the others were pretty much under their direction, weaponized by them. >> the u.s. has had a remarkable, little understood but meaningful dialogue with iran since october 7. it has been partly through the swiss embassy in tehran which manages our contacts. sometimes it has been face-to-face. the messages that have been passed almost always are about reducing tensions and, as you say, iran does not want a confrontation with the united states. the u.s. used force and pounded iranian-backed militias in syria

and iraq after they hit american forces. since then, there haven't been attacks. i think the feeling is that iran, for now, although it's up to mischief all over, really wants to avoid a confrontation with the u.s., is putting some limits on the nuclear program. we will see. the whole time we have been journalists since 1979, when will the arc of the revolution crest and become more like a normal country? you can't see that yet. >> all of this as jake sullivan was in saudi arabia. and we are being told by saudi and u.s. sources that a bilateral agreement between the u.s. and saudi arabia for civilian nuclear power, defense treaty, economic trade agreements, cutting israel out if they -- if netanyahu refuses to agree to a pathway to a state. this thing is coming together, maybe to pressure netanyahu.

>> i think it's now on the way to happening, whether netanyahu joins or not. this is a signal to israel, to the prime minister, this train is leaving the station. one of netanyahu's big goals for some years now has been normalization of relations with saudi arabia. saudi arabia is saying, it's there. all you have to do is commit to a credible pathway. that's the phrase the saudi press agency used. no time frame. will netanyahu give up this dream of normal relations across the arab world to avoid the commitment to the palestinian state? probably if his coalition stays intact, his coalition will force him to. i think you have exactly the right description of the u.s. approach. it's happening, mr. prime minister. if you are going to join, now is the time. >> speaking of happening, your new book. "phantom orbit" as u.s. space

command saying russia launched a satellite capable of attacking other satellites. space wars. you have "phantom orbit." this is not the first spy novel. you are deeply sourced. you are on the edge of what our intelligence sees as the next battle. >> it describes the coming role of space as a domain of conflict. russia's launch yesterday is the latest in a series of moves that i describe in the book. the russians have had potential attack satellites up there for some years. the chinese have more sophisticated ones. they can pluck our satellites out of orbit. they may be able to interfere through high-powered microwaves or lasers. the point for your viewers is, space, this benign -- the heavens that we think of is becoming increasingly a zone of

conflict. russia and the chinese have a lot up there. i'm sure the united states is developing similar weapons. >> i don't know how you do it all. you are always cutting-edge in your columns, you are covering everything and writing books that become -- that get picked up as movies. congratulations. >> i'm like you. i like finding things out. you can do that in my novels as well as as a journalist. >> thank you so much. tireless efforts. israel's prime minister finding some support and a lot of pressure and criticism as the families of hostages are fighting to free their loved ones. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports." have that next only on msnbc.

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israel and the u.s. are rejecting the international criminal court and the hague's arrest warrants or at least the recommendation there be arrest warrants against prime minister netanyahu and members of his war cabinet. they did the same for leaders of hamas. the prime minister telling stephanie ruhle the court's accusation that israel is deliberately starving gazans is ridiculous. today, the u.n. had to suspend all food distribution into gaza saying that it's too dangerous given israel's military operations. secretary of state blinken telling the senate that trucks

are getting to the crossings, including the new pier the u.s. built, but the food and military aid can't -- excuse me, medical aid can't get delivered. >> we have had 400 trucks get to the crossing. then there's nothing effective on the receiving end to pick them up and take them out and about in gaza. or there is, but then something gets bogged down. >> this as three u.s. airline lies, ireland, norway and spain, announced, they are recognizing a palestinian state. this is another diplomatic blow to israel and indirectly to the u.s. which has been isolated in the u.n. on this point, with overwhelming votes in the general assembly. joining me now from tel aviv, nbc news international correspondent raf sanchez. raf, ironically, the icc recommendation by the prosecutor for an arrest warrant has to be approved by the court. that's helped netanyahu

domestically. he was on the ropes. not that he was going to lose the coalition, but with the defense minister, and the former retired general gantz, coming together despite their rivalry and saying he has to come up with a plan for the day after the war and the military operation can't succeed the way he says by eliminating hamas entirely. that was creating pressure on him. now from what i'm reading and hearing in talking to people, people are coming together, because they are angry they are being equated with hamas. so is the u.s. that's not fair. >> reporter: andrea, it's such a good point that domestically, this may actually benefit netanyahu as internationally, diplomatically it's a major blow. i was speaking to one person who is on the right in this country. he is not a fan of netanyahu. he said, the international

criminal court may have landed netanyahu the next election. what you have seen political leaders from across the spectrum here in israel rallying behind -- maybe not behind netanyahu, but certainly rallying against this move by the prosecutor of the international criminal court. as you said, they are fundamentally rejecting what they see as an unfair equivalence between decisions made by the democratically elected leaders of israel and the decisions made by the three top leaders of hamas, a designated terrorist group in the united states and in europe. the election likely to be a long way away, as long as netanyahu can stave it off. he is dependent on the votes of far right parties in parliament, in his own cabinet. some of them are very unhappy with him. they feel that he is not being tough enough. they want to see jewish

settlements in gaza. they want to see less aid than now, even though the u.n. is warning there's full-blown famine in the north right now. it's unlikely those far right parties are going to bolt from his government, because if they do, the government comes crashing down, there will be elections and polls right now at least are showing that the centrist parties here in israel, led by gantz, would be the most likely to be able to form a government, and that gantz, who sits in netanyahu's war cabinet, would most likely replace him as prime minister. >> getting to the aid deliveries, because the u.s. is concerned about it. the pentagon not happy that they have gone to the huge effort of building that pier and that the aid can't get in. understandably, after what happened to world central kitchen and with continued attacks and attacks that are not where they are supposed to be --

you have been reporting, there's no safe areas. we shouldn't say it that way, but safe areas come under attack. the u.n. workers cannot get medicine, food, water, fuel to the people that desperately need it. >> reporter: yeah, exactly right. you heard the secretary speaking in front of congress earlier saying that the problem is often that the aid reaches the border of gaza, but then there's no way to effectively distribute it inside. we have two situations. one in the south of gaza, one in the north. in the south, you have the intense fighting as israel's military offensive continues. the u.n. is saying that is cutting them off from the aid. they say supplies are desperately low. they say it's simply too dangerous to move that food around. up in the north, you basically have a situation of chaos. food is being landed on that u.s. military pier, but then

it's too chaotic on the ground in northern gaza where some people are starving. trucks are being looted. they say there's no safe to get that food to the people who need it. >> tragic situation all around. raf sanchez, thank you. the extremist approach. an nbc news investigation into the far right push to criminalize abortion. complicating an already difficult issue for republicans. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports." this is msnbc. is msnbc. leadino battle? was that your great aunt, keeping armies alive? drafting the plans. taking the pictures. was it your family members who flew? who fixed. who fought. who rose to the occasion. when the world needed them the most. discover, preserve, and share the stories of your family's heroes. save on ancestry subscriptions for a limited time.

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it just ignited another round of fighting. the issue remains front and center as the country heads into the 2024 elections. at the state level, the fight is the grittiest. is it murder? >> absolutely. >> reporter: this is jason storms, director of operation save america, who publically advocates extreme positions on a number of issues. >> revolution 2.0 going on right here. >> reporter: he travels around the country to lobby for legislation that could put women in jail or worse for getting an abortion. >> you are killing a human being. that's the definition of murder. >> reporter: should that person be convicted for murder? >> absolutely. >> reporter: prison for life? >> whatever the lives are for killing an innocent person. >> reporter: in some places it's the death penalty. >> absolutely. >> reporter: at the national level, the message is a potential thorn in republicans' side, at a time when some are concerned the abortion issue is bad politics. moderating theirpositions on

elections get closer. >> reporter: he found support at the state level. he is pushing to get more. there have been more than two dozen bills introduced in states around the country in the last two years that would open the door for a woman to be investigated and even prosecuted. >> it's illegal for a doctor to perform an abortion in 14 states. in all those states, the mothers are explicitly exempt from any punishment or legal accountability. >> reporter: it's the rebranded version of operation rescue, active in the 1980s. in the following decade, tensions over the abortion issue ran high. doctors were even killed. they were not involved in violence against clinic operations says storms. in ohio, he brought his followers and his family to the state capitol, including several of his 11 children, to lobby lawmakers.

>> keep up the good fight. >> reporter: he had meetings with three state representatives. last november, ohio passed a constitutional amendment protecting abortion access up to 22 weeks. one of the lawmakers behind it, state representative anita sumani, an ob/gyn. >> if you look at the statistics, 57% of people in ohio voted for the constitutional amendment protecting the right to abortion. >> reporter: storms told us he is in ohio because he believes the republican party failed in mobilizing the anti-abortion vote. >> this is a very red state. donald trump won huge in this state. pro-life people dominate all aspects of state government here. there will be consequences. >> reporter: they protested at two clinics in the area, including this one in dayton. >> you are a father. you already are a father. >> reporter: we did not film the multiple women who walked

inside. does it become intimidation? >> i don't think so. >> reporter: later, we caught up with one of the clinic's doctors. did anyone come in and say, it was hard coming in? >> multiple people said it was a hard thing to come in today. >> reporter: do your patients feel like they were harassed and intimidated? >> yes. >> stephanie joins me now. what is your biggest takeaway after spending time with members of operation save america as they call themselves? it's so much like operation rescue and the criminal behavior, the group we saw in past years. >> andrea, not everyone embraces -- not every anti-abortion activist embraces the extreme views of this group. one takeaway is that there are a number of people in the anti-abortion activist group who believe the overturning of roe

v. wade was the first step toward a national ban. that disaffection you hear from jason storms, that republican leaders abandoned that process to get a national ban and are now stepping away from this because they see it as politically tricky for them, they are upset. how that plays out in the election remains to be seen. do they stay home? do they not vote? what happens? it's a problem within the party. >> it's just a calculus they are not going to have a veto-proof vote in the senate. they are not going to pass a national ban. a veto-less vote. so why take the political risk. and donald trump has been all over the lot on this issue as we've been reporting. so we don't know where he would come down, if he is elected. stephanie gosk, thank you so much. >> thank you. up next i'll talk to the parents of an american israeli hostage.

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with talks for a hostage deal and cease-fire between israel and hamas appearing to be what they say paused as they would describe it, officials describing that to me, the israeli public is growing frustrated with the failure to bring the hostages home. thousands of protesters rallied in tel-aviv over the weekend, demanding the release of 130 hostages still being held. joining me now are rachel and john poland, their son hirsch was kidnapped from the music festival october 7th. he was seen in a video recently released by hamas showing he has lost his arm. you and john have been incredibly dedicated and

fearless, and courageous. and you keep your spirits up, you've met with congress members. here you met with the president monday night. is there any hope to get these talks restarted, reengaged? >> well, as you know, we say every morning hope is mandatory. so yes, there is hope. there is always hope. there's optimism. i think what we're really feeling and seeing across the whole region, not just for the 128 hostages and their families, but for the hundreds of thousands of people in our region who are suffering horribly also in gaza. we need an end to this and there is a lot of hope to get there. >> and there was certainly a feeling that after defense minister gallant came out and there was pressure and benny gantz, so two different parties getting involved from -- and four military people, that there

was more pressure on the prime minister, but then the icc recommendation. that seems to have really rallied israelis, understandably, in support of netanyahu as almost a -- you know, a life raft for him politically. john? >> yeah. i'd say things are certainly heating up politically inside of israel. the icc threat is something that, as you noted, has people charged. we'll see what happens in israel. one of the things rachel talks about hoping mandatory -- one of the things that has given me hope recently is, it's taken time but the world i think is starting to see this for what it is. the international component of what this is. which is rachel has talked many times and i think mentioned it on your show recently. there are hostages from 25 countries. jake sullivan and the united states have been leading initiatives, they got 18 world leaders to sign a statement a few weeks ago declaring it's time to release the hostages,

our hostages say leaders of 18 countries opinion he then had a follow-up meeting with that group last week. we were in tel-aviv on saturday night at the rally where four ambassadors spoke. the u.s., uk, germany, and austria. we're galvanizing world leaders to stand together and finally say, enough is enough. we need to bring these hostages home and we need to wrap up this terrible saga. >> rachel, you saw your son in a recent video, it seemed, because there were other indicators that it was recent. how was that? how did that feel? mixed feelings for sure? >> it was definitely mixed feelings. but i'll tell you, to see that he is alive after half a year with no real word, no way to know, except a mother praying and hoping that he was alive, and on the other hand to see him

in such a fragile, compromised medical state and i'm sure emotional state, but when you're starving, which we have been starving, for a sign of life, to be given a moldy crumb is delicious and we were thrilled. >> how did he look to you? >> i've never seen hersch, he looked compromised. extremely pail, which makes sense, he hasn't seen the light of day for seven months now. his dominant arm is amputated. we've been told by medical experts who are proficient in reading video to understand the medical situation have explained that he would need at least one, probably two more surgeries on that arm in order to take a prosthetic successfully.

but again, he's alive, he's moving, speaking. even if he's reading something that was scripted, i don't care. i'll take it. >> your reactions as well? >> one of the interesting things is, rachel and i have been hopeful and optimistic all long we have believed hersh is alive. but after the video came out the number of people who said to us we've been trying to support you but we thought he bled out october 7th, we did not believe he could still be alive. we understand that we've had the hope and faith and people around us did not, and it galvanized them. >> it has to galvanize the officials as well. what more do you want from the president, from, you know, the cia director who's leading the negotiations, and others, secretary of state, what can they do for you? >> we really feel that their hearts are in the right place,

and their efforts are in the right place and that they have the wisdom and the incite and creativity to make this happen. we just need to see it happen. and we need to keep remembering that of these 128 people, they're not a monolithic hoe hoge jous group, they're from 28 different countries, including eight americas. and a lot of people in america are not aware there are eight americans being held for 229 days now. >> rachel and john, our hearts are with you, our hopes are with you more importantly and our admiration for everything you're doing. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> andrea, thank you for keeping the story alive. >> we are dedicated to this totally. >> it's so important. >> that's all for me today. thanks for all of you. chris jansing reports starts right now.