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hush money/election interference on hold. there's a ton of legal news to get to, reminding us that the new york case is just one of many surrounding the former president. in florida, newly unsealed documents suggest donald trump did more to obstruct the investigation into classified documents at mar-a-lago, that then jack smith included in the 40-count indictment. what a d.c. judge wrote there was evidence of in order for the special counsel to pierce donald trump's attorney/client privilege. that's a big deal, and why donald trump's team got those documents unsealed as judge aileen cannon holds a hearing on a motion to dismiss the case. in georgia, d.a. fani willis won her primary last night. what that means for georgia's election interference case, and its still yet to be scheduled trial date. and arizona, where eleven of
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donald trump's allies have pleaded not guilty to forgery and conspiracy charges in the state's fake elector scheme, including refugee rudy giuliani. that case, already has, by the way, a trial date. joining us now, vaughn hillyard, correspondent, dasha burns, and former manhattan assistant district attorney and new york law school professor, rebecca roiphe. judge aileen cannon is holding a hearing on a motion to dismiss this case. what's the latest? >> two motions to dismiss today. earlier this morning we had heard arguments on the first, which had to do with trump's body man walt nauta. that motion was alleging that jack smith, the special counsel, his decision to charge nauta was, quote, selective and vindictive, alleging it was a form of retaliation against nauta for not cooperating with the investigation. after nauta's attorney made those arguments, the prosecutors from the special counsel's
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office stood up, tried to refute those arguments and got pretty heated with judge cannon. at one point calling the arguments from the defense and their motion to dismiss garbage. at one point, cannon had to tell the prosecutor to calm down, so a lot of fiery stuff earlier today in the courtroom. now what we're hearing is arguments in the second motion to dismiss, which is concerning all three codefendants. so nauta, carlos, and the defense alleges that the indictment fails to, quote, set forth in plain language distinct violation of criminal law, instead presenting a personal and political attack against former president trump. now, when it comes to nauta, katy, we also just saw in unsealed court documents new images of nauta carrying boxes of classified documents, which the prosecution says is
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additional evidence for nauta conspireing to hide classified materials from the government, katy. >> but there's also this news from the unsealed documents, buried within it, that the government has a little bit more evidence, potentially of donald trump obstructing the investigation into the classified document, and it has to do with surveillance cameras. explain that. >> reporter: we actually got a lot of information in those unsealed documents. basically one of the allegations that was set forth in those documents is that once the former president realized that those cameras were capturing those images and that those might be brought forth as evidence, they actually tried to work around where the cameras wouldn't see anyone moving potential boxes. the other piece of information we learned here, katy, is that months after that search of mar-a-lago from the fbi, the former president still had classified documents in his
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possession, in his bedroom, and the judge overseeing that process actually wrote on the record saying no excuse is provided as to how former president could miss classified marked documents in his own bedroom. a lot more information coming to light as arguments in the motion to dismiss continue here today, katy. >> so interesting, vaughn and rebecca, let's talk more about this. this evidence that has been piling up, donald trump's potential obstruction. they have a lot of it. a lot of counts in the indictment, and a lot of them have to do with obstruction. why does the evidence unsealed today, the allegation or potential evidence of donald trump obstructing the investigation further by telling his team to work around the surveillance videos. why would that not be included in the indictment. >> prosecutors make all sorts of decisions about what to include in an indictment, and whatnot to. once they have a conspiracy
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charge, that means all of this evidence is going to come in at some point, so it's not clear to me why it wouldn't be included in one of the counts. there must be some strategic decision, but i think it would necessarily come in anyway to support some of the other counts. >> what about as dasha reported, the special counsel's office getting heated inside this hearing today, calling the, you know, argument to dismiss nauta's case, garbage. >> you never want the judge to tell you to calm down as a prosecutor. that seems problematic. i can see why they would be frustrated at this point in the case. she has been allowing a lot of delays. that's not unusual. some judges do. they want to give a lot of process to defendants. in this case, given that there's this time line and this point at which the criminal charges become almost irrelevant, i can see the prosecutors feeling frustrated about that and losing their temper in this case. >> how far has donald trump been
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reacting today? >> he has been pretty quiet outside of his social media accounts. he is in texas for campaign fundraisers in houston and dallas, respectively, no public efferents though. >> what about the allegations that donald trump is making against the fbi. the fbi says there's a pro forma instruction sheet that goes with the search warrant, and part of it includes when you can use deadly force in trying to enact the search warrant. donald trump has taken that up that his team, and they have posted on social media claiming that joe biden was, as he said, locked and loaded and ready to take him out. >> he has posted this on his social media account, his campaign sent out a fundraising e-mail last night. donald trump, though it extends beyond him, it's the likes of steve bannon, who said on his own radio show, there was an assassination attempt on donald trump. marjorie taylor greene, an assassination attempt. this is beyond donald trump, and
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the entire right wing media ecosystem propagating that the mar-a-lago search warrant execution was potentially going to result in donald trump's death. >> the fbi followed standard protocol, which includes a standard policy statement limiting the use of deadly force. no one ordered additional steps to be taken and there was no departure from the norm in this matter. they went there when they knew he was not going to be there. this was entirely beside the point, but it's out there already and when donald trump says something, it's not expected that the people who want to believe it are going to do their research to find out whether this is the norm or not or whether they will see the fbi statement. >> right. it's exploiting people's ignorance. there are so many details procedures and enormous within the department of justice, within the fbi, and nobody knows all of them, unless you're intimately involved in that work. exploiting that ignorance, to make people think there's a
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targeted, specified attack against the former president, and whipping up some kind of anger and upset and outrage over that. you know, it seems like, you know, it would be the proper behavior of a criminal defendant, and really not the proper behavior of somebody who is a candidate for the president. >> let me run through the other things that are happening. the fani willis reelection in the primary to be d.a., does that change anything regarding the election interference case. if she maintains that seat, does that mean the case is going forward? >> we're waiting the appeal on the question of her being recused from the case. i always thought there wasn't a necessity. there was bad behavior but i don't think it necessitated her being excused from the case. i think the case will go forward after that appeal, but the appeal is relevant now that she's won the election. >> arizona, the defendants have pleaded not guilty. donald trump is still an
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unindicted coconspirator. >> of the 18, each have pled not guilty. rudy giuliani will have to post bond and get his mug shot taken. six are yet to be arraigned. >> let me ask you about the other big case, not in session today, the hush money interference case. the judge was having a conference with both sides, about jury instructions, when are we going to find out what the jury instructions are? >> the parties will hear before closing arguments, and we will find out around the same time what is in the charging documents, and that is extremely important because it lays out what exactly the jury needs to find, and there's some critical questions. for instance, what it means to caused entry of a, you know, a false entry within a business record. the word cause, while it's a
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simple word, its definition is going to have an impact on how the jury thinks about that evidence. >> it could make or break the case either way. vaughn hillyard, rebecca roiphe, thank you very much. samuel alito said it was his wife who flew the upside down flag. some senate democrats are not satisfied with the explanation. what they plan to do next. inside the far right movement pushing for prison time for women who get abortions. where it's happening and who is behind it. what officials say caused turbulence so severe that a passenger was killed and dozens more were injured seriously. we're back in 90 seconds. n 90 ss you know what's brilliant?
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one british man is dead, and 20 people are in the icu this afternoon after severe turbulence caused a singapore airlines plane to drop hundreds of feet in a matter of seconds. aviation experts are on the scene in bangkok to figure out what went wrong. tom costello has more. >> reporter: this was an extremely violent turbulent situation that this plane flew into, up and down, hundreds of feet over the course of seconds. in fact, it was so violent, people were being thrown through the cabin. the pilot descended down 6,000 feet to get out of it,
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declared a medical emergency on board, and quickly diverted to bangkok. after the dramatic turbulence, the airline ceo is speaking out. >> we are deeply saddened by this incident. >> reporter: the extreme turbulence wrecked havoc inside the plane, injuring dozens of passengers and flight attendants, some critically. one hospital says it treated 71 patients, roughly a third of those on board. one passenger widely identified as 73-year-old geoff kitchen died. an airport official says the passenger suffered from a heart condition. four americans were also on board, a family on its way to a rotary convention. the boeing 777 was applying from london to singapore when it hit sudden turbulence on the edge of a powerful storm. flight radar 24 data shows the plane suddenly pushed up, then down. like a violent wave at 37,000 feet. then, a controlled emergency
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descent to 31,000 feet and emergency landing. firefighters and medics rushed in, removing victims on back boards. inside the plane, evidence of a terrifying flight. overhead panels ripped off, food and bottles scattered on the floor. blood stains on the ceiling. andrew davies was a passenger. so called clear air turbulence, often appearing close to the jet stream is very difficult to predict, and researchers say climate change has already made wind sheer much stronger. >> if you imagine the air flow over the swing, experiencing a sudden up draft, this wind will be pushed up violently and instantaneously, and the airplane will tilt to the left. >> invisible to radar, pilot radio turbulence reports from the cockpit, unbuckled flight attendants are most likely to be injured. >> we have seen people have
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broken limbs because someone else has fallen on them. we tell people to protect themselves and the people around, keep the seat belt fastened even when the seat belt sign isn't on. this is so important, infants need to be strapped into a car seat in the plane seat. in extreme violent turbulence, there's no way you can hold on to a child, even if your arms are wrapped around him or her, the g forces will pull the child out of your arms and of course he or she could be devastatingly injured. keep in mind, you need to have the infant in a car seat, in the plane seat by the airline ticket seat for your infant to protect him or her. back to you. >> tom costello, thank you. coming up, what senate democrats are threatening after a stop the steal symbol was photographed outside of the supreme court justice samuel alito's home. and the state of louisiana has banned abortion, but lawmakers there just did that could take restrictions even further. further.
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virginia. neighbors told the times the flag flew like that for several days after the january 6th insurrection. just as the supreme court was deciding whether to hear a 2020 election case. justice alito says his wife hoisted the flag during a dispute with a neighbor. joining us now, punch bowl cofounder, and msnbc political contributor, jake sherman. what could the senate do if they choose to do something? >> reporter: nothing. congress can impeach them if they want to, and they don't have the votes to do so. they could theoretically impeach a justice. that's something they have the power to do. right now all they could do is belly ache. in the house, just feet from where i'm standing, steve cohen of tennessee has a resolution to censure justice alito, which i don't think is going to go anywhere. they don't have much power. listen, there are two responses that we've seen. we have seen mitch mcconnell who effectively said leave the court
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alone. they have been the target of enough drama over the last, whatever, ten years, they don't -- we should just leave them alone. that's number one. on the other hand, people like lindsey graham have said, you've got to avoid even the look, the image, the specter of being biassed on a case, and, i mean, obviously we have had a lot of instances over the last couple of years where politics and the court have been intertwined in ways we haven't seen before. some people are being real about this, and i think it's a completely unbiassed and correct thing to say, katy, that this is the definition of the specter of political bias on the court. >> yeah, what about -- right? >> yeah, it's an actual image of political bias being flown on the front lawn of a supreme court justice. let's ask another question about
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it, another thing the senate is trying to do. this is the bipartisan border bill. what's this news about senate democrats trying to force a vote on the issue? . >> yeah, so the senate majority leader is bringing up this immigration bill which kind of faded out of the headlines, out of the limelight a couple of months ago, this bipartisan bill, and this is a completely political act, and there's nothing wrong with political acts. we operate in an environment where policy is made, katy, in a political context. schumer is bringing this up as a way to shield some of his more vulnerable democrats from attacks that they are soft on the border. now, this is all theater. this is not going to get 60. even if it, by some chance, it did get 60 in the senate, which, again, it will not, the house is not going to bring it up. we know that. mike johnson, the speaker of the house said when this was a live option, when it was possible that this would pass that he was not interested, he wouldn't bring it up, so this is all
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political. >> finally, benjamin netanyahu, is he going to be speaking before a joint session of congress? >> i talked to mike johnson this morning. he said that chuck schumer is with him and wants to sign a letter inviting netanyahu to congress. it's just a matter of when. he said he spoke to netanyahu in the last couple of weeks, and he's going to speak to him today. mike johnson is going to talk to netanyahu today, and he wants to schedule this speech to a joint meeting of congress as soon as possible, whenever netanyahu could do it, katy, i'm telling you, i was here in 2015 when he came up here to rally against the iran nuclear deal. it was a political spectacle. this will be a thousand times worse, there will be huge protests by democrats, by a lot of folks. this is bringing the war in the middle east straight to the house floor in a way that we have pretty much never seen before. >> it will be remarkable if it does happen. >> remarkable, that's right. and big changes await our friends across the bond. uk prime minister rishi sunak has called for a general
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the louisiana state house has passed a bill which would reclassify two drugs used in medication abortions as controlled dangerous substances. putting mifepristone and misparis toll in the same
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categories of cocaine and meth. a punishment the legislation says that would not extend to pregnant women. an nbc news investigation finds that work by a group of far right activists could change punishment going state by state to convince republican lawmakers that the women who obtain abortions should also be punished. nbc news correspondent stephanie gosk has more. >> reporter: the overturning of roe v. wade didn't end the battle over abortion access. it just ignited another fierce round of fighting, and the issue remains front and center as the country heads into the 2024 elections. at the state level. >> is it murder? >> this is jason storms, director of operation save america, who advocates extreme positions on a number of issues. with osa, he traveling around the country to lobby for
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legislation that could put women in jail or worse for getting an abortion. >> you are intentionally killing a human being, that is murder. >> should that person be charged and convicted of murder? >> absolutely. whatever the laws are for killing an innocent person. >> in some places that's the death penalty. >> absolutely. >> at the national level, osa's message is a potential thorn in republicans' side, at a time when some in the party are concerned the abortion issue is bad politics, even moderating their positions as elections get closer. >> a full ban on abortion is not where the people are. but storms has found support at the state level, and he's pushing to get more. there have been two dozen bills introduced in the last two years that would open the door for a woman to be investigated and prosecuted. >> it's illegal for a doctor to perform an abortion in 14 states but in all of those states, the mothers are explicitly exempted
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from any punishment or legal accountability. >> reporter: and you don't think that should be the case? >> not at all. >> reporter: osa is the rebranded version of operation rescue, active in the 1980s. in the following decades, tension ran high and doctors were killed. neither operation rescue nor osa were involved in violence against clinic operators says storms. in ohio, storms brought his followers and his family to the state capitol. including several of his 11 children to lobby lawmakers. >> keep up the good fight. >> reporter: he had meetings with at least three state representatives. last november, ohio passed a constitutional amendment protecting abortion access up to 22 weeks. one of the lawmakers behind it, sate representative anita somani, an ob/gyn. >> if you look at the statistics for last november, 57% of people in ohio voted for the
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constitutional amendment protecting the right to abortion. >> reporter: storms tells us he's in ohio because he believes the republican party failed in mobilizing the anti-abortion vote. >> this is a very red state. donald trump won huge in this state, and pro life people dominate all aspects of state government here. >> there will be consequence to shedding of innocent blood. >> reporter: the group protested at two clinics in the area, including this one in dayton. >> you're a familiar, whether you want to be or not, you already are a father. >> reporter: we did not film the multiple women who walked inside. >> does it become intimidation? >> on our part? >> reporter: yeah. >> i don't think so, no. >> reporter: later that afternoon, we caught up with one of the clinics doctors. >> did anyone come in to say and say god, it was hard coming in here. >> multiple people said it was a hard thing coming in today. >> reporter: did your patients feel harassed and intimidated today? >> yes. >> joinings now, stephanie gosk. he says he's not there to
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intimidate, but that's not how the patients feel. >> and that doctor said the women she spoke to felt rattled. you know what's interesting about all of this, katy is that, you know, the antiabortion activists may not embrace jason storms extreme views but they are disenchanted that they felt the overturning of roe v. wade was a first step towards a national ban, and republicans, especially leaders in the republican party have backed off of that. we're going to leave it up to the states. and people like jason storms are not happy about it. he says he's not going to vote for donald trump unless he stands up and says there should be a national ban. what happens, and whether or not people go and vote or keeps them at home, that remains to be seen, but there's some anger there. >> it is surprising that they, i guess, it's not so surprising that they believe that. it's clear that republicans feel that there's political danger in supporting a national ban.
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obviously considering what we've seen in the special elections and with democrats winning. >> exactly, and the midterms, and, you know, the abortion issue may not be the first issue right on people's minds. it's still the economy. it's front and center. >> it's definitely affected a lot of elections. we'll see if it affects this coming one. stephanie gosk, nice to see you. thank you very much. >> and joining us now, georgetown law professor of constitutional law and global health policy and author of "policing the womb," michelle goodwin. talk to me about this louisiana state house bill. they have already banned abortions in that state. what does it do to reclassify these two drugs? >> it's dangerous because what it presumes is the only use for this drug is to terminate a pregnancy, not to manage a miscarriage, not to aid in labor and delivery, which the drugs are used for, and there are medical uses beyond this. in fact, these drugs originally were not related to reproductive
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health care, but other medical conditions, which is why people would possess and use these drugs. conflating these drugs now with heroin and other categories of drugs, which most people associate with criminal behavior, whether or not there should be, is truly a bridge too far. it's a bridge that would not have been thought of five years ago. but here we are in the post dobbs landscape. >> presumably the doctor needed these medications to assist in labor and delivery or to assist in another medical procedure. they would still be able to get them. how does this make it harder? >> what makes this harder and something to pay close attention to is a way of trying to go around these drugs being placed in the mail. your point is well taken with regard to doctors being able to have access. but of course in order to be able to have access, it's a matter of these drugs coming in to your state.
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it's a matter of who is actually shipping these drugs into your state, and even if doctors have access to this, what we have already seen in the states of texas, louisiana, is that doctors feel under threat by these laws because these laws are also attached to criminal and civil punishment of doctors who may be presumed to violate state's laws when they are trying to help patients who need to manage a miscarriage or who need to manage labor and dlich -- delivery. we need individuals enacting the laws who have no medical background, and don't care about the suffering of patients. we have seen that and talked about that on your show. >> let me play a little bit of donald trump talking about contraceptives, another thing that people are worried, the supreme court or states might try to restrict. let's listen. >> do you support any restrictions on a person's right to contraception? >> well, we're looking at that,
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and i'm going to have a policy on that very shortly. i think it's something that you will find interesting, and it's another issue that's very interesting. but you will find it, i think, very smart. i think it's a smart decision. >> that suggests that you may want to support some restrictions? like the morning after pill or something? >> we are also, you know, things really do have a lot to do with the states. and some states are going to have different policy than others, but i'm coming out within a week or so with a very comprehensive policy, which i'll get to immediately. >> it's one of the standard nonsensical answers that doesn't seem to have anything behind it because he wasn't prepared for the question, maybe he hadn't thought of it. that being said, here's what he responded with in a truth social post. i never will advocate imposing restrictions on birth control or other contraceptions, this is a democratic fabricated law,
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misinformation, disinformation, except they have nothing to run on except failure, poverty and death. often times when donald trump doesn't have a fully thought out answer or policy to give an interview doesn't mean his team doesn't have one. it doesn't mean the people surrounding him don't have plans to effectuate their goals, and those might deviate from whatever the former president in his head at the moment. does this concern you, his response to this? >> well, to put the prior points that we were talking about in this is that the state of louisiana, it is a great example of where we have called for the death penalty, some lawmakers of women who have abortions, doctors who perform abortions and when we think about what the risks have been associated with the former president, it's the courts. it's the judges who are on the local and state courts, the state supreme court, that have been appointed. now, granted that didn't come through him. that's party action. how can we be as robustly
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congressional district. why would voters in georgia choose to do that? that question is part of a larger conversation about the political beliefs that have divided this country so fiercely, some argue, the only precedent is a lead-up to the civil war. eric larson, the master of narrative nonfiction was well into his research on the latest book of what led to the shelling of fort sumter and the dawning of the civil war when rioters stormed the capitol. as i watched the capitol assault unfold on camera, i had the eerie feeling that present and past had merged. joining us now, eric larson, his new book "the demon of unrest, a saga of hubris, heartbreak and heroism at the dawn of civil war. i loved this book, found it to be totally engrossing and educational about the moment we're living in now. i want to ask about the note to
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readers at the top of the book that you felt that past and present had merged and you worry or warned that some readers as they go through it might have a sense of dread and worry about what's to come. >> yeah, you know. when the events of january 6th unfolded i was not wholly convinced that i was going to do a book about the advent of the civil war but that's what persuaded me, i realized, good lord, this is a story for our time. back in 1861 when lincoln had been elected but not confirmed as president, the two moments of gravest national concern were the count of the electoral vote and whether the inauguration would come off as planned. doesn't that sound familiar? so there were a lot of resonances with today. >> and not just that, you talk about how one of the generals, general scott was arming the capitol and posting security all around the capitol in worry that it was going to be stormed by
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angry southerners. >> and that's actually one difference, you know, winfield scott, who was the commanding general of the united states army in 1860, 1861, he recognized the danger, unlike on january 6th, 2021, he recognized the danger, he filled washington with soldiers, cavalry, and there was, in fact, a mob that tried to storm the capitol to stop the vote, but he would not have it, and blocked it entirely. same for the same for the inauguration. >> as i was reading the book, i was struck by how overwhelmingly the two sides seem to be talking past each other, not understanding the other. it does feel familiar. when you look at the division we are concernly experiencing, how do you see it? with now all of this history that you have gone behind you.
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we talk about an information echo chamber. that was very much the case back in 1860, when the south confronted the potential that abraham lincoln would be elocated in the election. no matter what the lincoln said about how he had no intention of disturbing slavery in the states where it currently existed, the south wouldn't believe him and came to consider him essentially the antichrist, when in fact he was not. both sides were indeed talking path each other. >> you wrote a lot about secession conventions, and a notable one in south carolina. what i was struck by, write how firmly they were rooted in not states rights, but the cause of slavery. it reminded me of what nikki haley was asked, it was a states
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rights issue. it's amazing how history can be manipulated over the years. >> one of the salient factors in intellectual discourse today, there was no intellectual discourse. it's ig months on parade. anyone who reads back, you come away completely convinced that the main issue was slavery. december 20, 1860, south carolina declared self-secession. four days ago later it issued a declaration to explain to the world why it had done this. that declaration is worth reading because it lays it entirely on slavery. >> what about the union itself? the question of how it could come to this point and heal afterwards? you read in the book about how one british journalist described
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the country after the civil war, and he said the other contempt and loathing for the stars and stripes, the abhorrence for the words "the united states" the hatred cannot be conceived by anyone who has not seen them. i'm nor satisfied than that the union can never be restored again, never to be put together in the old shape by any power of earth. has it ever really been pullet together? has this nation healed. >> you know, those a question that i and scholars who have study the same war far more deeply than i have also mulled. this is one reason why i call the civil war at the beginning -- the stars -- one of the most consequentially events in the history of the nation.
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the civil war changed utterly, are we still dealing with issues raised then? i wouldn't necessarily go that far. i think the issues that existed during the civil war continue to exist now. we have not dealt with the matter of race as much d. or at least to the point we would like to imagine we have. are we facing the prospect of another civil war? i don't think so. one off of violence is a very real concern. i know that the reading i have done, the fbi and other domestic security entities is concerned about a group known as accelerationists, who may engage in one-off acts of violence to bring forth whatever new entity will replace the existing united states, but, you know, i go to bed at night with pleasant
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dreams. i don't worry about civil war -- yet. >> it has been a balm for me to read about history and how we've been through very tough times in the past. it puts the current melee we're in into perspective. i loved the book. i was brought to tears toward the end when i was reading major anderson's speech about linen. i encourage everyone to buy it. "the demon of unrest." erik, it's an honor. >> the same. thank you. we'll be right back. same. thank you. we'll be right back. siness. we need to scale with customer demand... in real time. (jen) so we partner with verizon. their solution for us? a private 5g network. (ella) we now get more control of production,
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leaders of israel are being called war criminals, while we're fighting war criminals. >> are you to blamed for that bum rap? for 70 years the democratic party in the united states, for the most part was in lock step with vaught until about a decade ago. what do you say to them? >> first of all, i value the bipartisan support. a poll shows that 80% of americans identify with israel, not hamas, so that's very important. that was benjamin netanyahu talking to stephanie ruhle. ireland,

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