justice ♪ >> shout out indeed. shout out harry mack. these were the cards. he really didn't see this. fact check true and did that all off the top of his head, like he said, no rhyme intended. we leave that to the artist. but, i will tell you that if you want to see the full rap and that interview, go to msnbc.com/ari and you'll scroll down and see our youtube play list and the latest great segments, including harry mack at that link. it's also an easy way to watch it and share it online if you want people to see what harry mack can do with his "beat" debut. that does it for us. "the reidout" with joy reid with the big interview former georgia prosecutor, nathan wade. ♪♪ tonight on "the reidout" -- >> the shameful raid and break in of my home, mar-a-lago, was a travesty of justice. i had a small number of boxes in

storage at mar-a-lago, guarded by secret service and my people and everybody. i mean, it's safe. but before i send boxes over, i have to take all of my things out. these boxes were interspersed with all sorts of things. golf shirts, clothing, pants, shoes. there were many things. with the nuclear secrets? well, now we're learning new details about trump's efforts to hide the classified documents he took and refused to return, mixed with his golf shirts and things. you'll never believe the absurd new claim they're making to distract from the evidence. my interview with former special prosecute nathan wade. the attacks from trump and wade's relationship with d.a. fani willis which forced his resignation. you do not want to miss it. but we begin tonight with one of the other donald trump trials. you know, the one where he's accused of stealing classified documents and willfully keeping them from their proper owner the federal goth. i get it's hard to keep track of

all his criminality. but what you need to know about this case is that it is rock solid. which is why the trump friendly judge presiding over it is seemingly trying to bury it. yesterday we got yet another reminder of how the man, judge aileen cannon is protecting cares nothing about the rule of law. in a newly released court filing d.c. federal judge howell laid out how there is strong evidence that trump intended to with hold classified material, refused to cooperate with the national archives and the fbi when they requested the documents back. and then directed his staff and lawyers to hide documents and lie to the department of justice repeatedly about it. this filing provided excruciating details including testimony, videos, pictures, text messages and emails. lag out trump and his personal valet obstructed justice. here is the most stunning piece of new evidence. a picture of nada repeatedly

moving boxes from the storage room to trump's personal residence so he could inspect them before they were returned to their rightful owner. but this filing also does is remind us how donald trump had a very long time to cooperate with the federal government. he was asked to return the documents but he refused because he wanted to review the boxes. during that time, he personally inspected about 100 boxes. so he could, pick from them before he returned a much smaller number of boxes. he then lied, assuring the national archives and the fbi that there were no more even though the former president was aware that more boxes were in the storage room that he had not reviewed. even though he was dragging out the process. the government granted him extensions to comply. the brazenness of the crime just never seems to end. this filing also dropped the bomb shell that trump's lawyers informed the department of justice that they had found four

documents originally requested in may of 2022, on december 15, 2023, during a search of trump's office at mar-a-lago. and after another search of his club, on august 8, 2023. when they notified the government, they claimed that they were low-level ministerial documents, yet another lie. given that they were classified as secret. it gets worse. when they handed in those newly discourted documents, they let the government know they found two more documents in donald trump's bedroom. i don't want to know what those documents were doing in there. finally, and most frighteningly, trump's lawyers admitted to the goth that a witness scanned the contents of those classified documents on to a lap to be in her possession, owned by the save america political action committee. the fact that the public will not see this case adjudicated before they go to the voting booth in november is a stain on our judicial system. and an injustice.

now, anybody who has a sensible brain, including the previously mentioned d.c. federal judge, can see that this is a simple case. that should be open and shut. the fact that it isn't makes you wonder why trump and his co-defendants haven't been convicted yet. the answer to that is aileen cannon, a district judge in florida nominated by donald trump, who is overseeing his criminal case. that case was assigned to her 11 months ago. and since then, she's gone to extraordinary lengths to delay the process by entertaining a host of defense arguments that would most likely be dismissed by more experienced judges. the reason we're reading howell's words are because cannon entertained the self-defense team's effort to assert prosecutorial misconduct. today, cannon, who a republican close to trump has started calling my favorite member of the trump campaign, held a hearing on claims by nada's lawyer that federal prosecutors targeted him because he refused to cooperate against the former president. who cares that they indicted him

because they have so much evidence of him actually committing the crimes. his lawyer conceded he doesn't have enough evidence to prove his claim of vindictive prosecution. that's not really the point, is it. it's yet another lie to distract and delay the case. it's just straight up unhinged lies accusing the department of justice of authorizing the fbi, get this, to use deadly force. no, nobody ordered anything like that. that's just border plate guidance used from all operations. the doj use of force policy is listed so agents have a full understanding of the limitations of the use of such force that even biden hating fbi officials have slammed. it's a lie that he got from an advocate for january 6th rioters. which explains why georgia representative marjorie greene and arizona representative paul gosar picked it up and said that biden was looking to assassinate trump in order to hit during the mar-a-lago raid. that's a grotesque lie which flies in the face of many

arguments they advocate for, including the argument for presidential immunity and police immunity and joining me now is my former civil attorney for the southern district of new york and president on the civil and human rights and tim miller, host of the bull work pod cast and maya, my friend. i want to start with you. i just feel that we have to remind ourselves as the republicans are pretending that donald trump was being targeted for assassination when the doj -- after 18 months of begging and pleading, raided his home. they argued -- i don't know if we have this sound bite. that a president has complete immunity. and that donald trump as president could use the military to assassinate his political opponents. and yet their argument against raiding mar-a-lago is that that operation by the fbi, using standard procedures, was an attempt to assassinate trump which in their convoluted thinking wouldn't be perfectly

legal because presidents can do that unless they are impeached and convicted. your thoughts. >> well, what they always meant is trump can do it. >> right. >> it was never presidents can do it. it was our president can do it. and that is the root of authoritarianism and totalitarianism and that spectrum, which is really the laws will not be applicable to donald trump in the way they are to everyone else. >> it's okay if trump does it. >> it's okay if trump does it. >> let's play it. here is his lawyer claiming to the d.c. circuit court, trump can kill a man. >> i asked you a yes or no question. could a president who ordered seal team 6 to assassinate a political rival who was not impeached, would he be subject to criminal prosecution? >> if he were impeached and convicted first. so your answer is no. >> my answer is qualified yes. there's a political process that would have to occur under the

structure of our constitution which would require impeachment and conviction by this senate. >> marjorie taylor greene, the biden doj and fbi were planning to assassinate president trump and gave the hit. christina bobb, lawyer of donald trump, what wtf. they were prepared to kill me a few dozen fbi agents versus me? and who raided to kill me? what in the world is happening in the united states of america? i thought they were for that, tim. >> yeah. it's interesting, christina bobb turned around a tweet that quickly after her mug shot for trying to overturn the results of the election in arizona last time. i think it's an interesting choice for rnc lawyer. these people are clowns, joy. we know that. like this is all a sham. there's no way they -- maybe some of them are dumb enough to believe it. most of them cannot believe that joe biden ordered a hit against

donald trump. what i think here, though, is sometimes we're always kind of torn between do you laugh at the absurdity or do you raise the alarm about the threat? and i think that we have to do both in these cases. >> yes. agreed. >> we can laugh at the ridiculousness, but also you know, it only takes five people to really believe this, right? and more than five now. but it only takes some subset of marjorie taylor greene, paul gosar, christina bobb, to believe that joe biden really tried to assassinate the person that they look up to, that they think is supposed to save the country. and you can just imagine what the next logical step is for somebody who feels like, you know, this administration is trying to do extrajudicial killings. that's how people get radicalized. that's how we end up in places like january 6th. i think it's you know clownishness but also dangerous.

>> absolutely. and that means that the fbi agents who are doing their jobs out in the world, with that fbi sign on them, become targets. i mean, we've already seen fbi agents threatened. and now you have people who are supposedly responsible members of congress and of the bar accusing the fbi when they know better, as tim says, they know it isn't true, but they're so willing and this is cooked up by a january 6th defender to create a distraction from the fact that we have this man on tape, walt nauta, not just the still of it. video of it. he's moving the boxes. he's dead to rights and judge aileen cannon knows it. she's doing everything she can to slow walk this case to death. because they know he did it, instead they have to create a distraction. >> i mean, look, there's no way to defend the actions of judge aileen cannon in a case where

you have completely baseless motions to dismiss and then suggest you can't move a trial forward because of these motions that any other judge would be able to quickly look at, read, have a hearing on and dispose of. >> yes. >> and the disposition would be motion denied. >> yes. >> motion denied. and the motion is denied because of the reams of evidence, reams. and i don't think that it is saying too much or going too far to suggest that if we continue to have elected officials, of any party, but let's face it right now there's only one party we have elected officials doing this, saying we will actually say that the rule of law does not equally apply. we will say that law enforcement should be loyal only to a person or a set of politics than the general public. if we continue to have public officials say it doesn't matter

that whether you're a poll worker, a judge's clerk, the spouse of someone who works for the court or a member of the jury or someone in federal law enforcement, should be able to do what our laws request of us without being threatened with death. >> yeah. the sort of -- the twisted logic, tim, of trump world at this point is that if you shoot a black lives matter supporter in texas, you should be pardoned. if you beat the hell out of police officers on january 6th and commit the most violent act toward police, we say back the blue and also you should be pardoned. but that if you're donald trump, you should be able to still nuclear secrets and put them in your bedroom. and if anyone tries to stop you, they should actually face violence. like, the logic of it is essentially, as maya said, there's only one real set of citizens. and that is trump supporters. and that everyone else are

essentially fair game. >> yeah. for my friends, everything from my enemies the law is the mindset among these republicans. i'm glad you brought up the case in texas because i've been just outraged with this all week. there is a direct line between these things, right? this notion that daniel perry who murdered derek foster in cold blood and who convicted by a jury of his peers can be pardoned the january 6th rioters could be pardoned. what is the signal? going back to my previous answer to radicalize people. the signal to radicalize supporters of donald trump, you can take the law into your own hands. we will have your back. >> yeah. >> and meanwhile, we'll fly these blue -- thin blue line flags and trash any federal officials that want to hold us accountable. trash anybody that want to, you know, hold any republicans accountable for crimes. so it's -- we only back the blue if the blue is going after the left or cultural enemies or

black lives matter protester. it's sickening. and i think that it is incentivizing more violence and it's extremely dangerous in that way. >> it's brown shirtism except it's red hats instead of brown shirts. and i'm sure all of you have at this point if you have a phone heard this new "new york times" headline, another provocative flag interesting word was flown at another alito home. here is "the new york times" text. another provocative flag was displayed a the vacation home in new jersey. according to interviews and photographs it was an appeal to heaven flag which like the inverted u.s. flag was carried by rioters at the capitol on january 26th, 2021. also flown as the pine tree flag. it dates back to the revolutionary war but largely fell into obscurity. religious strand of the stop the steal campaign and push to remake the government in christian terms. i'll let both of you comment on that. these are new photographs by "the new york times," maya. so now he's flying a christian

nationalist pro-trump flag as well. >> wonder if he's blaming that on his wife. >> martha ann is responsible for it all. >> apparently women are responsible for everything. >> yes. >> and so, let's go back to one of the things that we know justice alito penned which is the first-ever reversal of a fundamental right in our country's history, when he penned the opinion that reversed roe v. wade, which really fundamentally was about a christian position as opposed to a constitutional position. and i just think -- we have to be honest about ourselves in this country that if we want to preserve the rule of law one of the things that it must include is that justice alito, or justice thomas, or any other one of these justices who have demonstrated that they either are biased, are bought, or or simply not concerned with the appearance, the very appearance of ethical violations must be

required to recuse themselves. must be. >> they cannot be required, tim. he is a lawless individual a clear christian nationalist and now a dual insurrection flag flier. your final thoughts. >> yeah. i mean, laws -- he's doing the highest law in the land unfortunately. i'll say this about the insurrectionist, the most alarming thing to me about this is, inverted american flag, that's gross. that's despicable 11 days after the election. maybe they didn't realize it was a flag. this tree flag, you have to be really deep in the insurrectionist muck to know about the pine tree flag and to raise it over your house. that's extremely alarming. >> it is. and yet there he is ruling on trump cases. maya wily and tim miller, thank you both very much. coming up, former georgia special prosecutor nathan wade, due to his relationship with fulton county d.a. fani willis was forced by a judge to resign from trump's election interference case so willis could continue to prosecute trump. "the reidout" continues after this.

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jack smith's federal election interference case. but it's been held up while the supreme court dithers about trump's absolute presidential immunity claim. and in georgia, fulton county district attorney fani willis had arable initially requested a march 4th date. since for trump the pursuit of justice means making things go away or delay, delay, delay, the georgia rico case about his conspiracy to subvert the electoral college and steal an

election remains in jeopardy. never mind the fact that donald trump is on tape threatening the republican secretary of state to find him just enough votes to steal the 2020 election or that four of his 18 indicted coconspirators have already taken plea deals, bill bondsman scott hall and three lawyers kraken lady, sidney powell, architect of the effort to use fake electors, kenneth chesebro and jenna ellis. the there's therein no trial date in georgia is lawyer for one of the defendants who worked for the trump campaign, mike roman, found a novel way to stall it, one that didn't involve the criminally accused donald trump but did involve actually devolved into a salacious side show about a black woman's personal life. it was an attempt to have d.a. fani willis, who brought the racketeering case removed because of an alleged improper romantic relationship with a special prosecutor she hired, nathan wade. the charge was that the relationship between willis and wade amounted to a conflict of

interest that she benefitted financially from it and therefore she was disqualified. and just like that, the focus shifted from donald trump trying to overturn his loss to the judgment and character fani willis, over a consensual workplace romance. in february, willis admitted that she and wade in fact engaged in a personal relationship but maintained it had no bearing on the case. but later that month, it was fani willis, who was effectively put on trial in a misconduct hearing where the top prosecutor in a case about donald trump was forced to defend herself. >> you think i'm on trial, these people are on trial for trying to steal an election in 2020. i'm not on trial no matter how hard you try to put me on trial. >> the two days of hearing centered mainly on vacations and trips willis took with wade, issues at the heart of the conflict of interest allegation. she testified that she used cash to pay him back and made clear why. >> it's interesting that we're

here about this money. mr. wade is used to women that, as he told me one time, only thing a woman can do for him is make him a sandwich. we would have brutal arguments about the fact that i am your equal. i don't need anything from a man. a man is not a plan. a man is a companion. i don't need anybody to foot my bills. the only man who has ever foot my bills completely is my daddy. >> even willis' father, john floyd iii testified and explained his daughter's practice of keeping large amounts of cash at home. >> your honor, i'm not trying to be racist, okay. but it's a black thing. okay? you know, i was trained and most black folks, they hide cash. they keep cash. >> for his part, nathan wade's testimony also refuted that d.a. willis would have just let him pick up the tab and accused attorneys for the defendants including mike roman's lawyer, amanda merchant of colewding with his former wife's divorce

attorneys. >> the minute she elected to intervene into my divorce proceeding, i then started to understand the bigger picture which that all the attorneys in the election interference case were colluding with jocelyn's divorce lawyer. and because of that, i said privacy. i don't want my divorce proceeding to bleed into this criminal proceeding. >> ultimately judge scott mcafee ruled that d.a. willis would not be disqualified because team maga could not prove an actual conflict of interest. willis or nathan wade step down pr the case. hours after that ruling, wade submitted his resignation, saving willis's prosecution. but because america is always america, the victory for d.a. fani willis also came with a scolding for a professional black woman about her judgment.

judge mack afee called a speech she gave in january at bethel church accusing her critics of racism, legally improper, adding that the effect was to cast racial apersians. meanwhile, donald trump launched numerous openly racial attacks on fani willis withouted a moe in addition. judge mcafee suggested a gag order against fani willis, i will remind you faced a torrent of racist abuse and threats for prosecuting trump. but she told my friend and colleague rachel maddow, those attacks started long before then and eventually forced her to move out of her home. democratic voters in georgia clearly appreciate the work she's doing as fulton county district attorney. willis defeated her opponent in tuesday's democratic primary. koins den dentally judge scott mcafee kept his nonpartisan seat on the bench. as for a trial date in the rico case against donald trump, earlier this month, georgia's state court of appeals said it would consider the appeal seeking to disqualify willis for

engaging in a workplace romance that ended more than a year ago. but just a reminder, since there was no finding of a conflict of interest, as for that claim of appearance of impropriety as nathan wade testified in february -- >> it wasn't a secret. it was just private. my mother knew obviously. we weren't trying to keep anything a secret. there's nothing secret or salacious about having a private life. nothing. >> and nathan wade joins me next. stay with us. n wade joi mnse next stay with us this is a hot flash. this is a hot flash. but this is a not flash. for moderate to severe vasomotor symptoms due to menopause... ...veozah is the first and only prescription treatment that directly blocks a source of hot flashes and night sweats. with 100% hormone-free veozah... ...you can have fewer hot flashes... ...and more not flashes. veozah reduces the number and severity of hot flashes day and night. don't use veozah if you have cirrhosis,

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♪♪ joining us now former fulton county special prosecutor, nathan wade. mr. wade, thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> so i want to take you back to this timeline. of course, we had the january 6th insurrection. we all know that was about. there was the january 3rd donald trump call to brad raffensperger. fani willis takes office january 1st, 2021. and she begins her investigation into the attempts to steal the election in georgia on february 10. so she opens up this criminal investigation. and then in november of that year, november 1, 2021, she hires you as special prosecutor. now, that is the timeline. but i want to show you a piece of sound that is of someone else she tried to hire. and this is actually the former governor of your state. and this was his reaction to the

attempts by d.a. willis to hire him. take a listen. >> were you approached by the district attorney of fulton county, fani willis, about being a special prosecutor? >> i was. i don't recall the exact date, but i know it was some time in 2021. i told d.a. willis i didn't -- i would live with body guards for four years. and i didn't like it. and i wasn't going to live with body guards for the rest of my life. >> governor roy barns refused to take the job. why did you take it? you were in private practice doing well. why did you take the job? >> i recall the interview with governor barns and his reasons for refusing to take that job were, in fact the salary was a bit low. but more importantly, the threats that he knew that we

would have to deal with. had i known the extent of passion from both sides, i don't know that -- i think i would have prepared a lot better. having to live with, as he stated, body guards -- >> is that your reality, you had to get body guards, did you get death threats? >> that is exactly my reality. you know, the severity of the threats that i still get, having to empty my voice mail, three and four times a day. having to have security with my at my office. let me say this, i love, love, love my fraternity brothers. alpha pie alpha. i love them. they were offering to send armed guards to protect me, just so that i could get some sleep. and much needed.

these people were doing things unimaginable at certain points i had to call my parents to make certain they didn't change my name. and i didn't know about it. my children couldn't come to visit me because of the danger that they would face. but those threats are real. >> and so you -- you were brought into the case and you came november 1st. this was after, you know, the -- there was -- the investigation, a special grand jury that then gets impanelled in may of 2022. that's just the basic timeline. and because this is really what became an issue in attempting to remove d.a. willis and yourself from the case, at the time that you were brought on to the case, from then through the time of the grand jury, before you were brought on, did you have a personal relationship with or personal intimate relationship with d.a. willis? >> absolutely not. absolutely not. our relationship was professional. our relationship grew organically over time. it was something that was not deliberate or intentional.

i made the statement earlier that workplace romances are as american as apple pie, right? that was not to make light of the situation. that was just to say that it could happen to anyone. of course we're not speaking in extremes. it doesn't happen to everyone. but it's a thing that happens. it's a thing that happened to us. i felt like we dealt with it in a manner that was professional. we kept our personal lives personal and private. and i still believe that it had no place in the courtroom. not now and not then. >> now this issue became an issue in your divorce. you filed for divorce literally the day after you were brought on as special prosecutor. and this became an issue to the point where your former wife tried to subpoena and drag d.a. willis into the case. and so, you know, the contention that she was making was that

this was an on going relationship that began before. so you say that absolutely it did not begin before you became special prosecutor. >> absolutely not. i think the contention that she was making at the time was not that it began before then, was that there was some funds that were used -- marital funds that were used in order to entertain her. >> okay. and now let's talk about this because the case to try to remove d.a. willis and to remove yourself, it involved -- to me this is not anyone's business. everyone's personal life, as you said, workplace romances happen. you had a grand jury that was impanelled later in 2022. about when did the relationship take place? >> so, let me say this, i needed to be clear that when the relationship began, my then wife was not in the home.

she had moved to texas. and we had been separated for a period of time. we did not have a relationship. she knew and i knew by agreement that as soon as our youngest child graduated high school and matriculated into college, then we would then formally file the divorce. now, as it relates to your question specifically, you're asking when it took place from indictment or -- >> we know that it took place obviously during the time when you two were working together on prosecuting this case or on advancing the grand jury case. i guess, more importantly, did it give you pause? you're in the midst of really the most high profile case probably of either of your lives. this is a former president, potential future president of the united states. did it dif you pause to say, you know what, this is too risky. >> it absolutely did. it absolutely did. she and i had conversations

about that. when we felt as though the relationship was going to a place that could potentially become an issue with our work, then we sat and we had a conversation and we did what was necessary to protect the sanctity of the case. >> now, given obviously -- divorces are contentious. we know how that can sometimes play out. at some point, your former business partner, your former law partner, who was also your divorce lawyer, started communicating with attorneys from the trump campaign. and obviously one of those attorneys is the one that brought the case that ultimately resulted in you ending up leaving the case. do you believe that there was political collusion? that your former law partner, your former divorce attorney, was colluding deliberately and politically with the trump campaign or with trump world in order to up end the case? >> i do believe that.

i believe that 110%. i'm not certain why or when or how that communication started. but i do -- i'm very proud to be an attorney. i take pride in it. i don't like lawyer jokes. i don't think that -- i think to be an attorney is something to aspire to. right? so i take it very seriously. i don't feel as though his relationship was consistent with someone who takes their legal oath seriously. >> yeah. >> there was collusion. a lot of it. >> and you believe that bringing this issue out, which was a private divorce proceeding and bringing it into the public, was for the purposes of obstructing this prosecution? >> absolutely. absolutely. i believe that the focus of this entire -- i will call it a sher raid, something that had nothing to do with the legal proceedings, that indictment speaks for itself. nowhere on that indictment is the name nathan wade.

nowhere on that indictment is the name fani willis. >> and to -- to that point, when the judge, when judge mcafee actually cleared you of -- well, essentially said they found nothing in your actions or in d.a. willis' actions that in any way interfered with the case. the case could go on. but that one of you had to actually leave the case and you made that decision. did you walk into that hearing prepared to resign from the case? >> i walked into the hearing prepared to -- and i'm being very careful here because this obviously this issue is before the court of appeals and i don't want to do anything to jeopardize their decision making. but going into that hearing, i had every confidence that trier of fact, judge mcafee, would follow the law. and make decisions consistent with the law. not consistent with feelings or conjecture or dicta that he used

in his order. i just -- >> when you dicta, you mean some of his more personal comments about d.a. willis. i find for the district attorney she can remain on the case. but he added some additional comments about the odor of mendacity and other things. you think that was unneeded. >> i don't think that it was necessary. i think many legal analysts and experts said that. you know, that entire piece of his order was, i think, just to prove a point. you know, judges have a tough job. and i think that in doing their job, in being fair and impartial, sometimes personal feelings come out. and i think that that may have been what we saw there. an odor of mendacity, in all fairness, could come from a lack of understanding. we could have cultural differences. i may not understand why a

certain culture does a certain thing. so, it could be suspicious to me. >> right. >> so we'll give him that benefit. >> okay. when we come back, i want to show you -- speaking of personal feelings, some of the things donald trump had say about yourself and d.a. willis. we'll do that when we come back. we'll do that when we come back.

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her fani wade. her boyfriend's name is wade. and she hired her because of his expertise in this particular form of law, right? he was an expert. he never did it before, but he was an expert. he got paid almost $1 million. >> i am back with -- we are back now with former fulton county special prosecutor nathan wade. do you care to respond? >> so i have to be very careful here. he is a named defendant on the indictment. we don't want to get ourselves into a situation where the appeals court is having to weigh in on something i said, i've jeopardized the case. i will say this, i respect his right to voice his opinion. her name is fani willis. my name is nathan wade. we are not married. having said that, there's

something special about individuals who say things just for attention or just to get a reaction. my reaction is simply this, thank you. >> well there you go. this case has been so deeply racialized by that person, by donald trump. and this case, because it's fulton county, because this is a county that is run by african-americans the d.a. is black, just overwhelmingly re-elected, d.a. willis, you're african american. we saw what happened with the attacks on them. how much do you believe of this case has become racialized and how do you think that impacted the way people perceive it? >> ironically in his clip he mentions being paid almost $1 million, i think was his exact

verbiage. i was paid to be exact, $250 per hour. my hours were capped. he is paying his lawyers $500,000 a month. >> yeah. >> $500,000 a month. >> given that the thing donald trump has done very well, and all of these cases that he faces, whether it is the document theft case or everything other than the case in new york that alvin bragg has brought against him is delay. the whole purpose of bringing this case against yourself and fani willis to throw you off the case was to delay it. do you believe this case will ever go to trial? >> absolutely. >> before the election? >> that day of reckoning is coming. >> before the election? >> the court of appeals, they have a job to do. when that will happen, i don't

know. i'm not trying to opine -- >> sure, but are you able to tell me, you know, given your connection to the case, what you think is the strongest piece of evidence in this case? i had to try. >> i respect you for trying. >> let's talk about this because you did attend the victory party for d.a. willis. she overwhelmingly won her primary election. how would you characterize your relationship now? >> we are great friends. being attacked this way, the only other person on the planet who knows what i'm going through and i know what she is going through. we communicate daily. you know, during the course of the prosecution, when i was part of the team, we talked all the time, but we talked about the case. it was about business. now there has been a shift in the communication and it is more about, hey, how are you

handling the pressure or is your family okay? nathan, are your children okay? i heard there was something going on with your divorce? is the situation there okay? my response to her as hers is to me is a candid one. i'm doing fine. in keeping up with my responsibilities, contrary to what people believe. i have not shirked any responsibilities. i paid spousal support. i don't have minor children, so there is no reason to pay child support. i'm doing everything i am supposed to do and still dealing with the threats coming daily. >> as an avalanche. >> well said. >> you know i guess, my kind of closing question is i think for the united states, for a lot of people watching what is happening with donald trump, with the former president,

there is a sense that justice eludes him, that it does not seem possible to bring him to justice. how do you feel about that? do you feel he is somebody who is going to elude justice ultimately? >> i think the day of reckoning is coming. i think fulton county jurors are intelligent and attentive. they will listen to the facts and evidence and render a verdict that speaks to truth in this case based on the facts and evidence, no matter what. >> nathan wade, thank you very much. >> thank you for having me and let me say this. i know you have the opportunity to do it. memorial day is coming. i wanted to say a shout out to the veterans, specifically my father who is a vietnam veteran. thank you for your service. >> thank you. i appreciate it.

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history is literally in the making today with three european nation saying they will formally recognize a palestinian state. a landmark move that drew a swift rebuke from israel, but jubilation from palestinians. the countries are ireland, norway, and spain and the formal recognition will take place next tuesday and may be followed by other european countries. the white house said president joe biden, a supporter of a two state solution, opposes recognizing palestine without an agreement at negotiations. heavy battling continues in rafah where civilians are starving and hospitals lack supplies. make no mistake, the idf is inside southern gaza city, where israeli tanks advanced in the edge of a crowded district during a night of bombardment. the u.s. has repeatedly said it will not support a major

invasion of the city, with national security adviser jake sullivan sang israel's military operations have been more targeted and limited and have not involved major military operations into the heart of dense, urban areas. we now have to see what unfolds, but after 35,000 deaths and eight months, it is safe to say that the wait and see approach in gaza falls fatally short. the u.n. is suspending food distribution sang at a short on supplies and too dangerous. meanwhile the pentagon says none of the food delivered has so far reached hungry civilians. that is 10 nights "reidout" and one last thing, there is more with my conversation with nathan wade. go to my instagram account free bonus question. "all in with chris hayes" starts now. tonight on "all in" -- >> right now in the world outside this beautiful campus, troubled waters are slamming against