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ruhle starts now. tonight nikki haley falls in line and says she'll vote for donald trump, but will her supporters follow? plus, trump's dangerous lie. what he's saying about president biden and the fbi. and another january 6th flag. the provocative symbol at justice alito's beach house as the 11th hour gets underway on this wednesday night. good evening once again, i'm stephanie ruhle back in new york city, and we are now 167 days away from the election. this is the week that the former president who is now on trial in new york was also supposed to be on trial in florida in the classified documents case. donald trump is charged with 37 counts related to mishandling sensitive material, including willful retention of national defense information and

obstruction. his codefendants are loyal aide walt and mar-a-lago employee carlos. federal judge aileen cannon, who has been very friendly to donald trump, has put this case on hold indefinitely. but today she was on the bench for two major hearings involving requests from defense to dismiss the case and and no surprise, things got heated when the first hearing turned into a shouting match between a lawyer on the special prosecutor, jack mythth smith's team, and a defense attorney. he claimed the prosecution against his client is vindictive and said the case should be dismissed. the prosecutor called that claim garbage. judge cannon has yet to issue a ruling. this all comes just one day after a key court -- excuse me, key court records were unsealed appearing to show new evidence of obstruction. and those records included new justice department photos showing walt gnaw to, this one

who says this is vindictive, physically moving boxes of documents around the property. with that, let's get smarter with the hub of our leadoff ponl tonight. my friend is here. special correspondent for vanity fair and an msnbc contributor. dave joins us. state attorney for palm beach county. and the former federal prosecutor and senior writer for politico magazine. dave, florida, this is your home state. let's talk us through it. because the documents trial was originally supposed to start this past monday and the judge is still holding hearings on whether it will ever happen. talk about what happened in court today and why things got so heated so quickly. >> stephanie, there's a dispute over the woodward, the lawyer for nauta, was offered a judicial position and it was tanked by the federal government because his client did not

comply. this is a real personal dispute between the lawyer for nauta and the prosecution. but in the end this is stuff is exactly what the government says it is, garbage, because these are delay tactics. most judges would have just dismissed this stuff out of hand. prosecutors have a lot of leverage how they can compel people to testify or at least cut deals with them, but judge cannon has been slow walking this case from the beginning. judge cannon has given into all the delay tactics, and it's so frustrating because most other judges would have either dismissed this or just hold a hearing and combine all the motions into one. but she just does one hearing at a time, and she is doing something that other judges would never do. she's all alone in this satellite courthouse, stephanie, in fort pierce. that's part of the problem. there's no adult supervision there. she's giving in to all of trump's requests. this is paralysis by analysis. this is purge tour, and it's so frustrating for all of us. >> do you agree with that?

has she just figured out how to kick the can down the road without getting kicked off the case herself? >> you know, it's sort of an enduring mystery whether she's doing this, like, deliberately in some people's estimation, or i'm sort of inclined toward she's not quite experienced enough to be handling a case like this, maybe is feeling a little uncomfortable operating under the glare of the spotlight. the up shot is the same, though, this case i never really thought had much of a strong chance of going to trial before november even when it was initially brought. these are complicated cases. but you know, dave is exactly right. i mean, some of these arguments, including the one about this potential enticement to stan woodward to get his client to operate. that allegation has been in the air for a couple of years now. it's never made much sense. i've never found it credible.

even if it were true, i don't think it would be a legal basis to dismiss the charges. i share with you that some of these arguments are getting much too much attention. >> does jack smith have any recourse if cannon rules against him, ankush? >> i mean, he has the same sort of recourse people have been batting around for a while now. if the ruling's bad enough, maybe he tries to take it up the 11th circuit. i've never thought those tactics had much chance of success. they would most likely annoy her and the appeals court. i think for better or worse, jack smith and his team of prosecutors are largely going to be stuck dealing with her for the foreseeable future unless trump gets reelected and then just kills the case. >> what do you think? there is no sign of a trial date. she seems to be doing everything donald trump would love for her to do do, you think it's

innocent, naivety, or -- >> just a simple juror. >> just a simple country girl. >> i think ultimately she's auditioning for the supreme court. she thinks that if trump gets reelected, she will be justice cannon and we've heard trump say as much. look, she's totally delaying, delaying, delaying, and this is a good case. this case -- if it hadn't ended up on her docket, it could have been a real case. so i do think that this is not innocent. i don't know why -- i feel like everyone is addicted to giving these trump people the benefit of the doubt. why? we've seen how maga behaves -- >> can i answer that? >> yes. >> can i answer that? >> yeah, please. >> there are much easier ways to kill this case if she was trying to get on the supreme court. she could just dismiss the charge, entertain more seriously these issues. she could grant the evidentiary hearing which would delay this longer and embarrass the prosecutor. >> hold on, if she does things

like that, can't the prosecution appeal, it go to the higher court, and the higher court says, no, she's completely out of line, which is what they did a year and a half ago, dave? >> yes, and i think ankush brings up a good point, but i agree with you stephanie, if she goes too far and dismisses this, jack smith has the excuse to go to the 1 #19 circuit and get it not only reversed but her removed from this case. she's been repudiated already a year ago. she doesn't want to be publicly humiliated again. so she's doing just enough to delay without being able to be appealed and taken off this case. >> ankush? >> i mean, the supreme court is still a 6-3 conservative majority, right? so if she dismissed the case and whatever the 11th circuit were to do with it, i mean, ultimately, the supreme court would get to weigh in. so again, they're just mechanisms here that i think she would -- are readily available

to her if she really did want to tank this case more aggressively. >> all right, let's talk about these new court documents that were unsealed yesterday, plus we got these new images the government says are walt nauta moving boxes around mar-a-lago not long after the subpoena was issued two years ago. dave, why is this so important for jack smith's case if this case ever sees the light of day? >> this is obstruction. and they actually had the temerity today to claim, at least walt nauta did, that it's elective prosecution. why was he the only one who moved boxes that's being prosecuted for it? well, there, you see why. he's on tape. people lie but video does not. and he also lied under oath. so this is all really important. it goes to why it's ridiculous to even have these hearings in front of judge cannon. let's move forward with this case. as ankush says, this is a good case. this is the best case that they have against donald trump. >> all right ankush, new topic, let's talk about the new york case, judge merchan told lawyers

he's going to get them a final version of jury instructions tomorrow. how crucial are these instructions to the outcome of the case, and can any of the lawyers object? >> well, the time for objecting to the instructions, that's been happening, right? they had a conference earlier this week. there have been all sorts of behind the scenes exchanges that normally at least in federal courts is public. we haven't really seen that. it's been obscured from public view. but in this case, i think instructions are extremely important actually. there are quite a few issues that are sort of novel, if you will. they're not improper in any way, but issues that the parties are sort of confronting for the first time. they've been looking at different types of legal authority trying to make their case. these aren't sort of charge, at least on the facts here, where the lawyers can just pick a pattern jury instruction from like a handbook the way they might normally do. so and particularly on this

question of what trump's intent needs to be in order to be convicted on these charges, what it means to have the intent to commit, quote,unquote, another crime is something that is still, as we're talking right now, it's an issue the judge has not resolved yet. it's critically important for how the party structured their closing arguments and what the jurors ultimately do. >> molly, i always want you to join our show, but tonight it was specifically to talk about this. you know what i did not see today? i did not see very many headlines that said donald trump won't take the stand after promising to do so. >> right. >> day after day. after his surrogates went on tv and said he's going to take the stand. he wants to take the stand. he did say this after all of this, though. just watch this. >> because he made rulings that makes it very difficult to testify. anything i did, anything i did in the past -- they could bring everything up. and you know what, i've had a great past. but anything.

but the other thing is -- and the main reason -- and i don't even mind that, in fact, i like talking about it, because we had rigged cases. >> so aside from serving word salad at trump tower today, what do you make of this? >> he's had a lot of different -- you know he said i can't -- i can't testify because the gag order, which is totally not true. then the judge said, no, you can testify. the gag order has nothing to do with this. look, he's -- this is what happens with trump, right? he says i'm going to do it, his surrogates say he's going to do it. we all knew he probably wasn't going to do it because it would probably hurt him. and now people have amnesia when it comes to donald trump. nobody's saying he said he was going to do it. he lied about reasons he couldn't do it. and then in the end he gave this nonsensical answer. by the way, this reminds me of the bible verse, like the guilty flea where no man pursueth,

right? >> how big of a challenge is it to get both sides ahead of these closing arguments. right now we have these days where theoretically the jury's not thinking about the case, and then everybody's going to get right on the ball come tuesday? >> yes, but the jury has to have as a lasting impression the testimony of robert costello. talk about an enormous blunder. right wing media urged trump and his team to put this guy on the stand, and it blew up in their face. and that's the lasting impression i think the jurors are going to have over this long weekend. they are going to remember how the judge that they like, judge merchan, who they bond with, was irritated by the antics of this guy. and then this guy on the stand during cross examination was shown to be a shill for trump, someone like a mafia lawyer. and it's going to look really bad. so any good will that todd blanche had developed with the jurors -- because he did score some points against michael cohen -- i think was totally undone by robert costello.

he's the best witness the prosecution could ask for. >> i can't let you go without asking about this new reporting today on justice samuel alito. "the new york times" says another provocative flag was found flying outside his beach house, a flag that was also carried by a bunch of january 6th rioters. of course, last week the times reported on an upside down american flag at his virginia home. i mean, he lives where i live on the jersey shore, right? a quiet, sleepy -- he lives in a fishing village basically. and they're hanging this outside their house? what is your take? >> i mean, when you listen to alito in oral argument, i mean the stuff he says, these guys, alito and thomas, belong on newsmax, and they are not thurgood marshalls. >> i'm prototy sure they're watching it. >> i mean, they really are. mike johnson also had this flag outside of his office. i mean this is -- >> but mike johnson is a republican. >> yeah. >> right?

mike johnson is a republican far right member of congress. we're talking about a supreme court justice. >> no, it's beyond the pale, and this flag symbolizes a more christian nation. >> yes. >> i mean, has a whole bunch of things about it that are not anything you would want a judge to be excited about. no, it's really -- and then, of course, he has a beach house. which, you know, alito has a beach house and thomas has a rv and everyone is living it up when -- >> okay, but there's no -- we know nothing about -- he didn't get it in any inappropriate way, there were no big donors. >> no. but there is a second place to hang an inappropriate flag. >> you know, though, all great americans might like the jersey shore, okay? >> that is a good point. >> she just used us as a chance to dog on new jersey. i regret her joining us tonight. dave, ankush thank you for being here tonight. molly, i'm still thinking about it. how donald trump twisted a

standard fbi policy and claimed it is proof of an assassination attempt. this is serious stuff. we have a serious guest, former fbi director james comey is here. and later with trump, nikki haley swore she would never kiss the ring, so naturally now she's saying she's going to vote for him. our question, will her supporters fall in line too? the 11th hour just getting underway on a wednesday night. i think they will. n a wednesday night. i think they will.

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was, quote, locked and loaded. obviously, that is not what the fbi documents said. in fact, the fbi chose a night where donald trump was not even going to be there to ensure that there was no chance of confrontation. but facts, they never seem to matter in trump world. well, james comey was fbi director until donald trump fired anymore 2017. his new crime novel westport is out now. it's hard to write a fiction navl because nonfiction is crazier than fiction these days. i want to start with this news, what makes a lie like this so dangerous? thank you for being here. >> oh sure, it's great to be here. and if you tried to write some of this in a novel, your editor would say, stop, stop. what makes it so dangerous is it's a lie about the fbi's use of its most important authority, which is deadly force. it's a cro sieve lie about an organization that has to be trusted across the political spectrum.

>> on our show, we have been focussing a lot on project 2025. it's this road map far trump presidency if he win, and i want to share just one passage where it talks about what they want to do with the fbi. the director must remain politically accountable to the president in the same manner as the head of any other federal department or agency. what to you think about that? >> i don't know what that means. i mean, literally the director sits within the executive branch, reports to the president through the attorney general. i tried to explain this to donald trump when we had dinner together at his invitation in my first week. >> i remember you saying this. >> i tried to explain that it's important for the fbi to be legally in the department but not be part of the president's political team so. the political accountability language makes me think we're back to the dinner. >> you said this before or after you were trying to hide yourself behind the curtains, one of my favorite anecdotes. people like you are sounding the alarm of what could happen if

donald trump wins again, but there are plenty of people out there that are kind of ignoring these warnings, not taking them seriously, saying, oh, the institutions always hold. why do you think people respect listen something. >> i think, first of all, they're busy. they're living their live, and i get that. but they're also a bit numb. they've heard so many lie, so many exaggerations, so many distortions that they're sort of shutting it out. and it's really important over the next months that people not allow themselves to be low information voters. need to stare at what the real threat is. >> next week the jury is going to get the case in donald trump's new york criminal trial. we're going to get a verdict, but both the election interference case and the classified documents case will not be making trial before americans cast their votes. what is your takeway on all of this? the charges, the trials. >> i'm surprised that the new york trial is the one that went. i think it's been a great civics lesson for americans. i hope they've been paying attention, because this is how it works.

you might not lose supporters by shooting someone in the middle of fifth avenue, but you'll be held accountable. that's what it looks like. you sit there and shut up and we present evidence in a certain way. that's been great. the delays in the federal cases are frustrating, as you talked about with your earlier guest. the delays in the florida case are really hard to explain. i don't attribute them necessarily to malevolence, but it's extraordinary incompetence. the january 6th case, i get why the supreme court is wrestling with a harder question there. what should the scope of immunity be for future presidents, because god fored by joe biden loses, we're going to want to now what that answer is. >> last week mitt romney told me joe biden should not have allowed any of this circus to happen. he said, yes, donald trump is guilty of all these things, but that's beside the point. joe biden should have pushed the department of justice and pardoned trump. >> yeah, that -- look, that's not a crazy thing to suggest, because it's consistent with sort of counterinsurgency strategy, that you need to get the radicalizer off of center

stage so the radicalized can find their way out of the fog. and if you give him center stage like he gets every day in new york, that makes it hard to heal a country. but given the crimes and the statutes at play and the facts, we wouldn't be a nation governed by the rule of law if you did that. >> from a law enforcement perspective, how concerned are you on a scale of one to ten about political violence in our country surrounding the election. >> about a nine with respect to individual violence, about a two with respect to group violence. what i mean is -- >> what would you call january 6th, individual or group? >> no, group violence. >> you're only at two. >> yeah, because we've scared -- as a law enforcement community we've scared the crap out of the people who might be tempted to do that. look, those people are not jihadis looking to die for the orange god. they are misguided people, but they could be deterred and they have been deterred. that's why there's crowd in lower manhattan. that's why there's --

>> not even remotely. he's claiming his supporters want to come down there but lower manhattan's shut down. it's not. i took a cab to the front door of the courthouse and people were just roaming around freely. it's an out and out lie. >> their families are just telling them don't get mixed up in business that gets you locked up. and that's an important message to send. that doesn't mean that individual poll worker es and people like that aren't justifiably afraid of the wing nuts threatening them, but i'm not worried about another january 6th. >> you spent most of your adult life focused on the bad guys and locking them up. what made you decide to change your tune and now write about them in a fictional way? >> i was pushed to do it by one of my nonfiction editor, and i found it addictive, because i'm still thinking about the bad guys, by i have the freedom to make it up, take readers into places that i can show them through the vehicle of fiction. and it's kind of fun. and i keep it current because my kids are in law enforcement, and so i check with them and say have i got this right? and they'll tell me. >> do you miss it? >> i miss the people, yeah, i

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he's gotten more unstable and unhinged. he spends more time in courtrooms than he does on the campaign trail. many of the same politician who is now publicly embrace trump privately dread him. i feel no need to kiss the ring. >> oh really? because tonight nikki haley became one of those politicians politically embracing donald trump. in her first public appearance since she ended her campaign, haley made it official and said she would vote for him. >> trump has not been perfect on these policies. i have made that clear many, many times, but biden has been a catastrophe, so i will be voting for trump. trump would be smart to reach out to the millions of people who voted for me and continue to support me and not assume that

they're just going to be with him. >> she went from unhinged and unstable to, he's just not perfect. but even if donald trump does reach out to those voters, will they listen? to help us answer that, i want to bring in robert gibbs, former white house press secretary under president obama, and matthew doud, george w. bush strategist and founder of country over party. he's an msnbc senior political analyst. what do you think about nikki haley's big announcement? >> i'm not surprised. i had said a couple months ago i thought with her it wasn't a question of if, it was a question of when. for her, sadly. i mean, there's so many parts of this to explore in this, but i think fundamentally what donald trump i think really, the purpose, one of the positive purposes he serve,ly say, is he's a great revealer of who

people fundamentally are. he reveals them for the good of people like adam kin sin and liz cheney, and he reveals the fundamental corruptness and unsoundness of other people who had put on this faux blanket of integrity and public service and in the end we find out through donald trump he reveals people for who they are. it's sad. it's discouraging. but it's not surprising. because he's revealed others to be the same way. >> robert, since it seemed like donald trump called nikki haley every negative thing in the book, including even a bird brain, right, is there anything he could have done or said that might have kept nikki haley from eventually endorsing him? >> i think very little. like matthew, i'm not at all surprised at her announcement today. i am -- i do think there's a lot

of work that nikki haley is going to have to do to actually convince her voters that what she's saying now is more believable than what she said a few months ago. i think it will take some real effort on trump and his team's part to actually reach out to those voters. and i think we as observers are probably not spending enough time looking at her voters. step back and understand earlier this month she got, you know, 22% in indiana in a race she dropped out from three months ago. and if 10% of that vote, you know, roughly 10,000 votes, that's the gap that we saw in a place like arizona in the last election. this is a race that's going to be decided by closer margins than it was four years ago. just a few of those voters in a swing state like arizona or nevada are going to tip this thing. so i think this is a far from

done deal that her voters are hearing what she's saying and actually believing it. we spent a lot of time looking at polling and trying to figure out if certain voting blocks are going to vote for joe biden like they did in 2020. i think we should really circle these nikki haley voters and dig into what we think they're actually going to do in november. >> matthew, could she be the magic touch for donald trump, right? i'm going to walk into this memorial day weekend, and i guarantee i'm going to hear from people saying, wow, if she's donald trump's running mate, well, then i guess i can vote for him. she'll really make sure he doesn't go off the rails. will nikki haley as a potential running mate give all sorts of centrists the air cover they need to say, well, i can vote for him now, nikki will be there. >> first she's going to have to cross the bridge of where donald trump's expressed she's not the running mate. everyone knows donald trump will lie about anything, so maybe he's lying about that.

i actually think in his mind, in his mind, and we could explore that in many different ways, he doesn't think he gains anything by putting nikki haley on the ticket. and i don't think he trusts her. i think the number one criteria for donald trump is not will it help me win an election, it is will this person do everything i tell them to do and will they enable me in all that i want to do and will they not argue with me and do what mike pence wouldn't do. that's what i think his number one criteria is, and i don't think he believes nikki haley satisfies that criteria. he doesn't trust nikki haley will satisfy the mike pence criteria. >> i don't think he likes her. i don't think he trusts her. but i think he likes all those votes she got, a lot more than doug, vivek ramaswamy, tim scott, and all the others. let's talk about a new topic here, because republicans are pushing a bill to bar

noncitizens from voting, and here's the really important part. it's already illegal in federal elections. they are not allowed to vote. but robert, how dangerous is this narrative, right? they put this bill out there, it just opens the door to say, look, democrats are allowing noncitizens to vote. we got to put a stop to that. >> well, it's electioneering, it's not governing. this is a law on the books in every state in the country. and it's intended only to get those that are at a significantly charged level, significantly more charged, and that's sort of -- look, the outrage is the motivating factor for lots of donald trump's base, and every week and every month new things are going to have to be generated to sort of keep that outrage ballooned at a certain altitude. it is dangerous.

it goes to what jim comey says, your last guest, in this idea that if these false narratives continue to protell and spew sort of misinformation and disinformation, you know, eventually it just makes it harder to get people to revert to what is actually the truth. and you know, we're going to get past donald trump at some point in our political lives, and at that point we're going have to start putting truth back into our dialogue and truth back into our governing. and the longer this goes on, the longer that project will take. >> before i let you guys go, matthew, let's talk about joe biden and this student debt relief, right. we're seeing republicans push so hard against it saying joe biden is buying votes, if he's doing this for college grads, what about all the people who don't go to college, they get nothing. they're left out. isn't that how politics works? the carried interest loophole helps the private equity entry. not us. corporate tax cuts helps

corporations, not the rest of us. when donald trump goes to mar-a-lago and says i'm going to lower your taxes, he's lowering the taxes of the richest of the rich people so. this whole, you're buying votes, isn't this just how politics works? fulfilling campaign promises to certain groups. >> yeah, a number of these people advocating against it got covid loans they didn't pay back. which i find fairly amusing in the course of this. i'm a person that has student loan. i paid my student loans back. i'm fine with him forgiving the student loans because of the system that exists and allows this -- and allows this to happen and actually puts -- stifles our economy when we don't have people in the economy doing the things that you can do instead of paying the student loans back. to me, this is another example of him trying to say and republicans trying to say all you hardworking and then i'll say white americans, this is

basically what they're saying, all you hardworking white americans are at a disadvantage to all of these other groups in many ways, not your color, that are taking advantage of the government system, and i want to end that. that's basically what people are saying on the student loan debate. it is not a debate about what the actual what it mean, how our educational system, is it affordable. it's basically saying you hardworking americans aren't like those americans. that's what it is. >> well, thank you. and thank you for joining me tonight. i appreciate it. before we go to break, i want to check in on our djt tracker, donald trump's media company. the stock closed at a lilt over $44 a share. that is up slightly from the previous day. 44 bucks a share for a company that basically doesn't do anything. you know how i know that because we saw their abysmal earnings earlier this week. we talked about it earlier this week. the company lost $700 -- excuse me, their revenue in the first

quarter was $770,000. i want to put that in comparison, right? because trump and his team argue they're the next big social media company. well, let's compare it. the parent of facebook and instagram, the biggest social media company, brought in $36 billion in the first quarter of this year. it took them three minutes to make what trump media made in three months, yet it still trades at $44 a share. that's puzzling. we're going keep watching trump media stock and make sure you know what's really going on every day. when we return, artificial intelligence is knocking on the classroom door whether you like it or not. my next guest explains why we should like it when "the 11th hour" continues. e it when "the 11t hour" continues.

todd young had a great idea yesterday. every kid could get a teacher crafted to what their needs were. ai has huge potential. >> a bipartisan group -- i'm going to say it again bipartisan, you know i like to celebrate that -- group of senators laid out a road map for legislation on artificial intelligence, and its potential real world applications, including schools. now, normally, when you hear about ai in schools, it's all about fear, fear that students are going to use it to cheat, but my next guest knows all about education, and he argues that schools should embrace ai,

and it is the key to democratizing education. the ceo of khan academy, a nonprofit with the mission of providing free world class education for anyone, anywhere, and he just wrote a book on this very subject called brave new words: how ai will revolutionize education and why that is a good thing. i am so glad you're here, because there are schools out there that have banned ai. right, i'm a parent of teenagers who fear it that kids are going to quickly use it to cheat on their essays, and then next thing you know, they're going to be kicked out of school. why are we wrong? >> you're not wrong. >> my kids might get kicked out for other reasons, yes, totally. >> you never know. i think when chatgpt first came out, it was rational for schools to say, hey, what is this thing, one of the applications is you can put it in a prompt and it'll spit out an essay. it's not plagiarism, can't be detected by those tools.

so they did start to ban it. i was upset when all of that was happening. we were already working on what we call khanmigo, our version of generative ai to be a tutor a teaching stavnlt. i thought people were going to throw out the baby with the bath water. the underlying technology can support student, not cheat, give teachers a better lens of what's going on. it has to be structured that way. so where schools -- and not should just go, but where we're already working with a bunch of schools, is use tools that are built for a school setting. so it has guardrails. it won't cheat, but it'll support students. teachers and parents can monitor what's going on. and then you have a much more constructive use case. >> your goal since you started khan academy has always been how do you educate every kid from any corner of the world with a high quality education. you believe you're going to do this with an ai tutor, how is that going to work? >> yeah, and i always like to

put the use case in front of the technology. it's easy to get enamored by the technology. my 12-year-old cousin needed tutoring, so i remotely tutored her. i was in boston, she was in new orleans. word spreads in my family free tutoring is going on. i'm tutoring 10, 15 cousins every day after work. and i saw how much that personalized attention was able to benefit them. if they had gaps in their knowledge, i was able to slow down, speed up for them, and a lot of them who were struggling became really, really strong students. and you fast forward to now, all of khan academy has been trying to scale that type of personalization that i was able to do for my cousins. we've tried to approximate that with on-demand video, with teacher tools, with exercises, but when we saw what generative ai could actually do -- in some ways almost indistinguishable from the types of chats i had with my cousins in 2004, we said, this could take us that much further on that path. and we realized teachers are

spread thin. we're guilty of this at khan academy, we've had efficacy studies, hey, you can accelerate your students. but here's one more thing for you to learn, on top of everything you're doing. but generative ai, it is one more thing to learn, but it can help teachers write lesson plans, do a preliminary grading of papers, write progress roshts. things teachers spend hours a week on to give them their time back. it can accelerate students. it can be a tutor for any student, a teaching assistant for any teacher. but it's doing that not just because it's cool technology but because it's doing that same type of personalization that i was able to do with my cousin nadia back in the day. >> i've talked about this on our show. i'm di slexic, two of my children are, and one of the huge challenges is we have so many kids in this country around the world with learning differences. and it is so hard to access the kind of resources they need. it is so expensive. you say that ai can specifically help people that have reading comprehension issues, which is a

huge challenge. and when kids can't read, they hate school. >> that's right. and even -- and it's not just about reading. what blocks a lot of students in math or science is also the reading comprehension, breaking down that problem. and this is what we're already seeing. i don't like to just talk about things. we actually are building these things and putting these out in real public schools. and what we're seeing is, yes, there might be, say, a word problem in math, and a student can say, hey, can you rewrite this at a fourth grade level. or i'm an english language -- they won't say it this way, but can you repeat it in spanish or spanglish, so it's a hybrid. my daughter, who is 12, when she uses khanmigo, i write about this in the book, she says can you talk to me in gen z slang. she gets more engaged with the math, the reading, the writing when that happens. >> the gen z slang makes her feel connected, but nothing can replace the connection of a great teacher. every one of us have stories of

that teacher that pulled us through, that inspired us. is ai going to replace those teachers? >> i am very confident that the answer is absolutely not. i've said -- >> oh my god, i thought you were about to say, i am confident, yes. and i'm like, um, there's the door, buddy. >> i did like the game show -- >> what? yes. >> i've said this for years at khan academy. even back in 2010, 011, when people knew me and khan academy for youtube videos and software we were creating. people said, oh, is this going to replace teachers, and i said if you believe a teacher is just about a lecture. if i had to pick between an amazing teacher and no technology or amazing technology and no teacher, i would pick amazing teacher every time. >> there's not enough teachers to get the job done. >> this goes back to the history of education. i point out alexander the great had aristotle as a personal tutor. the ideal has been this one to one. 300 years ago we have mass

public education, we had to make compromises. we don't have the resources to give everyone an aristotle, let's batch students together, use tools of the industrial rev elusion, move them together at a set pace, some kids are going to do well, some kids are going to do less well. and so the opportunity here is, well, we don't have to make this tradeoff anymore. you can have a great teacher but give them the tools so they can personalize for those 30 students. every teacher will tell you those 30 students are in 30 different places. they need 30 different things. every teacher wants support so. what i see here, and i think we're already seeing this happening in classrooms, is that this liberates the teacher to do what the teacher always wanted to do. when they're ed school, they don't dream about grading 180 papers over a weekend. they don't dream about spending on top of running six classrooms, writing lesson plans for three, four hours at night. and so this actually allows teachers to -- you get that time back when you go into a

classroom, personalize more for the students. you can do more focused interventions, spend time with the students personally. that's the thing that ai will never replace. >> aristotle for everyone, welcome to ai. congratulations on the book. >> thank you. >> thanks again to salman khan. when we return, world war ii forced a teen to drop out of high school. now over half a century later she's finally graduating. you do not want to miss this story when "the 11th hour" continues. story when "the 11th hour" continues.

the last thing before we go tonight, the graduate. for most of us, a high school diploma is a box we check on our way to adulthood. well, 99-year-old eleanor entered adulthood quite some time ago, but he never got to check that box. back in 1942, her father pulled her out of school to work on the family farm while her brother was busy serving in world war ii

#. she left school just one class shy of a diploma. the war ended, she got married, raised three kids, and had a career, but she never got around to getting that diploma until this month after her family reached out to the school district. watch this. >> eleanor anne.