lending to the poorest countries. it's a little like a, you know, having to go -- when you're in debt, having to go and find someone to help you out. that's what this is about. we believe supporting friends and this partnership is happy -- we're happy to do our part, and look, we've also doubled our commitment to the ida, and i'm proud the united states is the biggest donor of the ida in this cycle and proud to be working with alongside kenya to support robust financing and policy -- that's going to help the most vulnerable countries address their investment needs. there's debt and there's growth. you got to deal with the debt before you deal with the growth, and so we're trying to use international lending organizations to be able to provide that capability so people can grow. that's what it's about. >> whoa --

>> this concludes the press conference. thanks, everybody. >> they're doing a photo op, but not answering any additional questions being shouted by the press. that was president biden and the president of kenya. he is the first african leader to be given an official state visit since 2008, three days of it. david ignatius, foreign columnist and associate editor of "the washington post" and an msnbc contributor has been watching along with us. look, obviously very heavily focused on foreign affairs. the $300 million the united states is going to give to fight gangs in haiti, although we're going to see kenyan troops there, no american troops. he reiterated again talking about the growing debt, the problems, the crushing debt really for developing nations like kenya. a lot of that money owed to china. i thought the toughest question maybe, david, for president biden was about the icc warrant

on benjamin netanyahu, the international criminal court charging as the reporter said israel of using starvation as a weapon of war against hamas and against the palestinian people, and i wonder what you make of president biden's response and whether you think this showdown is really heating up in this fight between the court and israel with joe biden and the united states in the middle. >> so i agree with you that was certainly from an american stand point, the most newsworthy thing the president said. he was emphatic. he didn't use a lot of words to say it. he said the icc has no jurisdiction here. he said there is no moral equivalence between israel's actions and those of hamas, just totally rejected the request that's been made for the icc to issue a warrant. the warrant's not been issued

yet. i think this issue obviously is heating up. there's a way to go before there actually would be escalation with seeking a warrant, making it difficult for israeli leaders to travel, but the president was blunt, direct, short of speech in his response. this really was an event that was focused on kenya and the idea of the united states is pressing for much more meaningful partnerships in africa with kenya. i thought that part of the news conference couldn't have been clearer. >> one of the things that they did, so help us understand because i think a lot of people will watch and they'll try to figure out why there aren't state dinners, for example, and state visits that often. this was a three-day visit. i was with president obama when he went to kenya back in 2015, the major issue was security

then, a major issue is security and the economy now. so in i guess those broad categories, that hasn't changed, but one of the things that the united states has done is to designate kenya as a major non-nato ally. why is this important, and why is this three-day state visit even taking place. why kenya? >> so i think the answer to that is that the biden administration wants to make kenya a show piece, if you will, of a broader effort to engage what we call the global south, countries in africa and latin america and asia, that china is aggressively courting with loans, with assistance of various kinds, economic development projects, and president biden was elevating the status of kenya, that phrase, a major non-nato ally. that's kind of right up there

with our key partners who are not actually part of nato, and then also interestingly trying to draw kenya and by extension other countries in africa into the expanding world of technology opportunities, a lot of reference to green technology projects in kenya. i found it very interesting that the president is going to ask for funding for kenya to be part of the chips and infrastructure act, the big effort to build american technology. he wants to extend that to kenya as a partner. i think it's an attempt to say to countries around the world, we're in this game too. don't think that china is the only country that's seeking to interact with you about economic development and security issues. we're there too. >> i thought it was interesting as well the funding from the chips act. that's the first african country that would get money from it, and also write that student exchange involving s.t.e.m. students.

i also want to bring in nbc news chief white house correspondent peter alexander who was in the room. i think i heard your voice, peter asking some of the questions. the president didn't take the bait, but we were talking about the question about the icc for president biden, but what's your big takeaway from this press conference? >> reporter: i too was struck by the president announcing that he would be supplying kenya with some of the investment money provided by the chips act, which was focused, as you noted logical, more microchips being produced in the u.s. he was very blunt on the way he addressed the situation with israel saying there should be no equivalence between what hamas did and what israel did. there were a series of other topics i was hoping to ask the president about, specifically as it relates to some of the news of day as we describe in politics, his reaction to nikki haley making it official yesterday saying that she will be voting for donald trump in

the election this fall, despite her repeatedly attacking trump throughout the primaries. donald trump has said very little, if anything about it since then, but joe biden had that opportunity now. how will he try to win over those college-educated, those independent voters looking ahead to the general election this fall. there are other questions as they relate to the debate, why the president thought it was necessary to hold the first debate in june and why he has decided that it's -- there is no reason that he should hold any more than two debates with donald trump. there have been other offers. he has agreed to do only two, and then finally as it relates to the issue of the supreme court right now, the series of decisions on its plate, most notably as they relate to donald trump, presidential immunity one of the issues before the court, other issues as they relate to donald trump's effort to try to overturn the 2020 election, questions about the election integrity in general. whether the president would have any comments specifically about justice samuel alito and the new reporting from "the new york times" about multiple flags now at a northern virginia home and

at a home in new jersey where the justice was flying flags that had been embraced by rioters on january 6th, the president not keen to take that question either. but the bottom line, the focus of this visit really to sort of to make a clear message to the people of sub saharan africa, to the people of africa broadly that the u.s. does want to be engaged in that effort, that the u.s. has investments, and that democracy can deliver. it comes amid so many of the coups we've seen there, the instability throughout that region, american troops being kicked out by the military junta in niger most recently. really a lot of challenges there. it should be noted this tonight -- this is the first state visit with a state dinner to take place tonight for an african nation dating back to 2008, the sixth state visit that president of the united states joe biden has hosted since taking office, chris. >> peter alexander and david

ignatius, thank you guys, both. i really appreciate it. up next, the other controversial flag spotted outside a home of justice samuel alie toe. the links to the january 6th attacks and the growing pressure for the justice to recuse himself. that's next. for the justice to himself. that's next. (ella) fashion moves fast. setting trends is our business. we need to scale with customer demand... in real time. (jen) so we partner with verizon. their solution for us? a private 5g network. (ella) we now get more control of production, efficiencies, and greater agility. (marquis) with a custom private 5g network. our customers get what they want, when they want it. (jen) now we're even smarter and ready for what's next. (vo) achieve enterprise intelligence. it's your vision, it's your verizon. (psst! psst!) ahhh! with flonase, allergies don't have to be scary. spraying flonase daily gives you long lasting non-drowsy relief. flonase all good. also, try our allergy headache and nighttime pills.

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growing questions today about the impartiality of supreme court justice samuel alito after a second provocative

flag was spotted flying outside one of his properties. "the new york times" reports that an appeal to he know flag flew outside his new jersey beach home last summer. that flag along with an inverted american flag that flew outside his virginia property has links to the stop the steal movement and was carried by rioters on january 6th. eric toller is the "new york times" reporter who helped break that alito story. also joining us nbc's ryan reilly and carlos curcurbelo, a former republican congressman from florida and msnbc political analyst. eric, what more can you tell us about the display of this flag at alito's home, and has he had anything to say about it? >> thanks for having me. yeah, so alito was flying this flag last summer, so july, august, and september of 2023. we don't know if the flag was up continuously the entire time, but we do have about four different photos and actually a fifth that actually surfaced after the report came out.

so yeah, and we asked him about this. we asked him about the upside down flag from a week ago, and there he blamed his wife for it, so it was after a dispute with his neighbors, but he refused to give a comment about this flag. >> so he had something to say about the first upside down flag, but nothing about this. ryan, trump supporters -- i mentioned this -- were seen carrying the appeal to heaven flag during the january 6th insurrection. give us a little bit of the historical background on this, though, and how after a really long time in obscurity it's back. >> yeah, you know, if you really wanted to go back to, you know, john locken when this all started, you know in the 16, 1700s, that's one thing. in the modern era it's been closely associated with christian nationalism. that's what we really think of it in that context, starting with sarah palin a decade ago and all the way up to now. it was carried by a number of people who were there for

january 6th. it's probably not something that would be unexpected in a crowd with the makeup of this type. there are also a lot of blue lives matter flags there as well. i think the upside down flag in the context of january of 2021 is definitely more of a direct link in terms of january 6th, but this was definitely a feature of january 6th altogether, but more directly i think speaks to this idea of christian nationalism being promoted on the lawn of someone on the supreme court. >> so critics have said, carlos, that christian nationalism, signs of it, signs of an attempted overthrow of the government or any implication of support, overthrow of an election have no place with somebody who is a supreme court justice. but former national security adviser john bolton had a fiery response to critics of alito and i want to play that. >> i think it is outrageous, outrageous and unacceptable for people to take a flag from the

american revolution and say that because some january 6th protesters flew it that it's now unacceptable to fly that flag, and i'd like to hear a democratic party politician say that expressly. >> carlos, do you agree at all? is this much ado about nothing? >> look, chris, i think the irony here is that for conservatives, the ideal supreme court justice, the ideal judge is someone who soberly interprets the law. someone who is not an activist. someone who is simply taking the letter of the law and applying it to modern day questions, and what we have seen both from justice alito and justice thomas in recent years is a kind of activism, right? their opinions have been very aggressive, very pointed, and then also there's all this extracurricular behavior that raises questions. so look, i don't think that's very hard to reach any strong

conclusions from any of this, but certainly it injects doubt into an institution that is supposed to be objective, unbiased, and that would hopefully have the support of the majority of the american people because it weighs so heavily on our democracy, so in doing these things, these justices are certainly reducing the credibility of the court! yeah, i mean, as you just suggested, this is one in a line of controversies on the court, right? several of them surrounding justice clarence thomas, also his wife who denied the 2020 election results. so senator dick durbin is trying to push through ethical standards for the supreme court. even amy coney barrett supports them, but chief justice roberts could not get it done, so what do you think the likelihood is that congress could actually take some action? >> well, look, i think congress should at least try, right? the constitutionality of congress imposing rules on the

supreme court means certainly that that's going to be controversial, and it's going to be contested. but for better or worse, congress does have its rules, does have ethical standards for its members, both chambers have ethics committees that regulate the conduct of their members, and really, the supreme court should be held to the same standard as the congress, as the executive branch. it really does seem ironically that it's been pretty lawless over there at the supreme court for a while, and again, if we want to restore the trust and confidence of the american people in these institutions, the court should either take its own action to regulate the ethics of its members or congress should try to do what they can. >> so eric, you also report that the appeal to heaven flag is being flown outside the office of house speaker mike johnson. how do they explain that? >> yeah, mike johnson, they plant to kind of the roots of this flag. it was back in 1775, i believe, is when the flag was created and

used during the revolutionary war, but it's been repurposed and it's pretty naive to think this is purely a nod back to the revolutionary war. it's been used very heavy by christian nationalists and other right wing groups, kind of as a mobilization campaign to bring more of a christian focus and more kind of christian law making and interpretation of law. so that's what many havepointed to who have been asked about this, pointing to the revolutionary war origins of this flag. a flag is not just a flag. it's been repurposed heavily in the last decade or so, and it kind of fell out of use for a while until relatively recently. >> eric toller one of the great reporters on the "new york times" investigative unit, congressman carlos curbelo, thank you both. ryan, you're going to be back with me in a little while. coming up, the surprising study about how many more

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we have some breaking news for you now, a louisiana bill that classifies abortion pills as dangerous controlled substances is now heading to the governor's desk. the state senate just passed the bill 29-7 and republican governor is widely expected to

sign it. that would make louisiana the first state in the country to designate two commonly used pills to induce abortion as schedule 4 drugs. that's the category that includes ambien, valium and xanax. it would make possession of the drugs without a prescription a crime punishable with jail time and thousands of dollars in fines. well, today frightening new data shows fentanyl is now fueling a record number of drug deaths in young people. according to the cdc, fentanyl is present in at least three quarters of teen overdose deaths, and those deaths among kids ages 12 to 17 have more than doubled since the pandemic. during a senate hearing just this morning, the executive director of a portland recovery center spoke very directly about the devastating toll. >> this week a classroom full of american teenagers will die from drug overdoses. you know, i have three kids, they're very important to me. the likelihood that they'll have

addiction is pretty high given my family, and i just really hope that and implore you all to take swift action that expands access to care and ultimately saves lives because our kids depend on it. >> among the hardest hit places baltimore where fatal drug overdoses have occurred on a third of the city's blocks and nearly 6,000 people there have tide from an overdose in the past six years. meanwhile, more people now use cannabis every day than drink alcohol. that is the first time that's ever happened in this country. a new study from 2022 shows that the estimated 17.7 million americans who say they use cannabis daily or near daily is 3 million more than those who drink every day, and another study out just yesterday shows there's an 11 times higher risk of developing a psychotic disorder for teenagers who have used cannabis in the last year.

joining me now global health policy expert and msnbc medical contributor, dr. vin gupta. good to see you, cannabis is legal in 23 states, in d.c., 38 in d.c. with medical marijuana. but big picture, what should folks know, and what don't we know about daily use? >> well, chris, thank you for highlighting this. great to see you. it's important to say upfront, fda scientists have looked at the data that exists on marijuana, recreational, medical, it's not as prone to abuse and it might be -- it shouldn't be as tightly controlled as other substances that are schedule 1, things like heroin. we can all agree if this is being used every single day more so than alcohol, which we don't control as tightly as marijuana, and we need to loosen it, hence the biden administration moving it to schedule 3, which is critical. it allows federal money, chris, to actually be now utilized to do gold standard studies on the risks and potential benefits of

marijuana in the human body. we know health benefits are potentially numerous. again, not -- no gold standards have been used to look at these benefits, but maybe to alleviate pain, fibromyalgia, insomnia, chemo-related impacts. but as you pointed out, there's serious potential concerns here, especially among youth. it could be impacting youth brain development, and that's the big concern. >> what about this use among kids and should we be worried that this could mean problems for teenagers in their development? >> potentially, and so that is one of the concerns here. you know, most places you mentioned the states, over 20 where we have recreational marijuana use. what we're seeing is it's usually 21 and older. it's these studies have shown association, not causation, important to point that out. it's why we need gold standard studies. what they've pointed out is that the youth brain in teenagers

still developing and that cannabis can actually interfere potentially with important signaling that's happening in brain development. our functions that govern anxiety, basic development of our neurons in our brain might get disrupted as youth brains develop, and so that's why you're seeing the stronger correlation between frequent high potency cannabis use and maybe the development of some of these psychiatric disorders. this is not the first of these studies. we've seen a lot of anecdotal reports. >> there was one study i found, vin, from back in february. it showed people who smoke cannabis daily have a 25% increased risk of having a heart attack, a 42% increase of having a stroke. i know you sort of mentioned this in your first answer, but how many more studies i mean do we need to do here? are we behind on where we are as

a country and the use of cannabis and where we should be in understanding what the implications are. >> 1000%, chris. to give you a sense, we've been studying the impact of alcohol, red wine on the human body for the last 50 years plus. gone back and forth on potential benefits and risks. now we have some clarity potentially. we haven't done that with marijuana in any rigorous way because we haven't had the resources to do it. when the government says it's schedule 1, what does that mean? that means nih dollars cannot be utilized to study the risks and benefits of medical marijuana. it's been a big lapse. this movement towards schedule 3, yes, it means decriminalization, all the important things for social justice, for individual justice, but what this is going to allow us to do is actually be smarter about the risks and benefits of marijuana on the human body, we're very far behind. >> dr. vin gupta, always good to have you on the program. thank you. there's new fallout after the arrest of the world's number one golfer, scottie scheffler.

nbc's maura barrett is following this story for us. i understand louisville police now admit a detective violated protocols during the arrest. what do we know about what happened here? >> reporter: it's been about a week since the arrest. we got an update from the police chief and the louisville mayor this morning, and they conceded that for transparency's sake, the only video that exists of this whole incident is actually of the arrest. we can only see the arrest. there isn't any video that exists of the interaction that the officer claims that scheffler dragged him with his car. that's something that's going to raise some question marks moving forward with the investigation. the two pieces of video that we received this morning, one was taken from a traffic pole across the street. it's very hard to see given the dark and gloomy rainy circumstances. it looks like you can see the arrest in that video. and then another video is the dash cam in which you see it appears to be scheffler walking across in front of the dash cam as he's arrested, and so this is

all unfolding as the police chief is conceding and let the media and the public know that they did an internal investigation with the arresting officer and found that he did not turn on his body cam. it is their policy. it is police department policy that they're able to activate their body cam in these situations, and he was not operationally prepared. they said that he's faced corrective action since then. i think all of this is very striking. i don't have to remind you in the wake of this is the fact that the breonna taylor case, this is the same police department that handled that one, and also raised question marks around body cams. it's been several years since then, and clearly there's still some issues there. scheffler, his attorney says that he and scottie scheffler maintain this was a chaotic situation, a lack of communication, they intend to move forward with the charges. hear a little bit about his stance on all of this.

>> it won't impact the case at all. our position's the same as it was last friday. scottie scheffler didn't do anything wrong. we're not interest instead interested in settling the case. >> as the mayor said this morning, they plan on moving forward. the next step in the legal process is set for june 3rd. that will be scheffler's arraignment and as a reminder, he's facing second degree felony assault on a police officer charges along with lesser charges of third degree criminal mischief, reckless driving and disregarding signals from officers directing traffic. as we know now, that june 3rd date is the next update we'll have in regards to the scheffler case. chris. >> maura barrett, thank you. chaos at a campaign rally. what we know about how this happened next. happened next. skin craving next level hydration? neutrogena hydro boost water cream. a vital boost of 9x more hydration that's clinically proven to boost your skin's barrier

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terrifying new video out of mexico today where a gust of wind caused the stage at a campaign rally to collapse killing nine people and injuring more than 120 others. we should warn you the images are disturbing because you can see the exact moment the wind picks up and destroys the stage. it just comes crashing down in flames. nbc's guad venegas is reporting on this for us. guad. >> authorities in mexico are

looking into this collapse. we know that the moment that the stage collapsed there were gusty winds in that part of northern mexico. there wasn't any type of alert that went out earlier that evening because of the storms or the wind. after the incident, the governor did ask people to stay at home maing reference to the storm. here's what we know, according to the governor, nine people died after that collapse, and the latest number of those injured is up to 121 individuals with injuries. that number has been growing overnight, initially the number had been 50, and it just keeps going up as more information is shared by authorities. this was a campaign event organized by one of the larger political parties in mexico. their presidential candidate, jorge was in attendance, and in the video that we have of the moment the stage collapsed, jorge minez is on stage and you can see him looking up as the

structure is falling and rung to the back of the stage along with others on stage with him. later in the evening he shared a video from the hospital saying that all attention was being placed on the victims and of course offering support to the family members of the victims. here's also canceled or paused for now all of his campaign events. other presidential candidates have shared their messages on x or twitter. the leading candidate in mexico's presidential election had an event scheduled in that same part of the country for today. that event has also been canceled, while mexican president manuel lopez obrador is offering support sending in help to continue with this investigation and the cleanup in the area where this took place. back to you. >> guad venegas, thank you for that. now to the warning for millions of americans who are heading out for memorial day. if you thought it was bad last year, well, you ain't seen nothing yet. nbc's david noriega is at los

angeles international airport for us. david, aaa is predicting this could be the busiest memorial day weekend in nearly 20 years. how are things looking there? >> yeah, chris, so l.a.x. is expecting about a million passengers flying in and out of this airport over the weekend starting today. as someone who has spent a lot of time at this airport over the years, i can tell you that today so far so good for the most part. it's a busy day, but a normal busy day. the main issue is the traffic, the car traffic getting into the airplane. that's been pretty badly choked up all day. you should budget some extra time for that last quarter mile or so before you actually get to the terminal. things can get a little hairy there. aaa anticipates this might be the busiest memorial day weekend for travel since 2005. l.a.x. and airports across the country and also tsa have been staffing up preparing for this. they're aware of the surge of travelers. they're doing everything they can to make sure people have a relatively smooth travel

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former georgia special prosecutor nathan wade says these days he has to empty his voice mail three or four times each day because of all the death threats he gets since news of his relationship with d.a. fani willis became all entangled in donald trump's case. in an interview last night with msnbc's joy reid, wade says there are people close to him who were secretly colluding with the trump campaign to upend the election interference case. >> do you believe that there was political collusion, that your former law partner, your former divorce attorney was colluding deliberately and politically with the trump campaign or with trump world in order to upend the case? >> i do believe that. i believe that 110%. the focus of this entire -- i will call it a charade, something that had nothing to do

with the legal proceedings, that indictment speaks for itself. nowhere on that indictment is the name nathan wade. nowhere on that indictment is the name fani willis. >> wade who has since resigned the case maintained his relationship with willis was purely professional before he joined the team. everyone is pretty much fed up it seems with concert ticket prices, and today the justice department pretty much said it is too, and now they're doing something about it. doj just sued live nation and ticketmaster. the monster business that controls 70% of tickets to end what they say is an illegal monopoly. some of the company's most vocal recent customers swifties who have been furious and touched off a congressional hearing after they ended up either empty handed or shelling out more than a thousand dollars per ticket on average for the american leg of taylor swift's tour. >> we haven't used the bathroom.

we haven't eaten. we are just waiting to get these tickets. >> this is the biggest disaster i've ever seen on ticketmaster. >> i'm not getting tickets. >> joining me now to discuss nbc's ryan reilly in d.c. so what exactly does the doj say that live nation and ticketmaster are doing that constitutes a monopoly? >> well, you know, merrick garland is a well-known swifty, and i think essentially what he laid out here is that this monopoly as they call it has spelled trouble, trouble, trouble for consumers. he essentially said that the prices have really gone up and this is unfair to people who are trying to buy tickets, and that's why it's important to break this all apart. take a listen. >> the justice department filed this lawsuit on behalf of fans who should be able to go to concerts without a monopoly standing in their way. we have filed this lawsuit on behalf of artists who should be able to plan their tours around their fans and not be dictated

by an unlawful monopolist. >> so essentially what the allegation is here because live nation and ticketmaster control sort of every part of the process, because they control sort of these venue spaces, the ticket selling and sign a number of the artists as well, that that creates a way basically for the prices to rise up here. live nation and ticketmaster have pushed back really strongly on that saying that the majority of these prices are set by the artist and the venues, but you know, obviously there's a lot of pushback here, and there's this big comparison between what the ticket prices look like say for the eras tour in europe as compared to what they look like for in the united states where, you know, there's more regulations in europe. so the justice department is, you know, while they approved this 14 years ago, they said that the conditions this merger initially back in 2010, this is much different conditions than we're in today and that's why they felt the need to file this lawsuit and ultimately break up live nation and ticketmaster,

chris. >> nbc's christine romans is also with me. the difference in prices is stark. so much so that there are a lot of americans who found it was cheaper to fly to europe and buy tickets there and stay there than just to buy tickets in the cities where she was in the u.s. >> lisbon next week, 100 to $300 are those tickets. you look in miami in october, it thousand dollars. that's the difference. today you heard the attorney general talk about the ticketmaster tax, he rattled off seven different platinum taxes. all these different taxes and fees that are on top of these tickets and you don't have those. there are rules against that in europe here so that's been the big focus of the government today is that they want to try to make prices cheaper here in the u.s. for american consumers, and they say breaking up the company is the only way to do that. >> i think the only people who are happy about this are the airlines because they say actually in european cities where taylor swift has concerts,

they've actually seen an uptick in people buying tickets. so good for them, but live nation's stock is down today. i wonder what the company is saying. >> yeah, the stock is down about 6% today. obviously this is not great for the company, at least in investors' minds today. here's what the company said pushing back very sharply. the doj suit ignores everything that is actually responsible for higher ticket prices from increasing production costs to artist popularity, to 24/7 online ticket scalping that reveals the public's willingness to pay far more than the primary tickets cost. the company pushing back and saying supply and demand is really at the bottom of all of this. >> what about the allegation that live nation is actually, you know, i guess strong arming venues, would that be the right word to use and artists? tell us more about that. >> yeah, i think that's essentially what is at the center of this is that because they control sort of every step of this process, they have a lot of control over what artists do,

right? you can't really get into the game unless you're going to sign up with live nation because they control so much of these venue spaces. so i think that basically what doj is saying, they're breaking this apart, separating this out is going to create more competition and ultimately lower those prices so that you could maybe see the eras tour for a little cheaper perhaps in the united states versus europe. >> look, i'm not going to pretend that i would fly to a foreign country to see taylor swift, but i certainly have many people in my family who would love to be able to do that. here's the bottom line. most people can't afford to do that, right? most people can't afford -- i think somebody did a calculation that a third of the people at her paris concert were actually americans, which is great if, you know, you can take your 16-year-old daughter to paris. good on you. but it's hard to believe that a lot of these artists and i think taylor swift among them, wants

to price out a lot of people, probably the vast majority of people who are the bread and butter of her fan base. >> well, lots of bands have been saying this for many, many years. they would like it make it affordable for people to come to their concerts. the issue for the government is they're saying live nation controls the venue, controls the artists' contracts and then sells the tickets so they have a hand in every single piece of the pie and that's what keeps it so expensive. >> i'm still stuck in the '70s and '80s, but my nieces are telling me that i've got to get with the program. >> i have waited in line for a physical ticket in my lifetime too, remember waiting in line for the actual ticket. >> christine romans. ryan reilly, who would you wait in line for, ryan? >> full disclosure my family and i are frying over to london actually over the summer to see taylor swift. i don't actually get to see the concert, but my daughter and wife get to. it was much cheaper when you looked at this.

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