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judiciary if it serves trump's issue. how effective could a gag order be? >> there is no question that the gag order as much as former prefer said it is unconstitutional. absolutely constraining his own talk about certain individuals. that said, when you have folks like senator tuberville admit they are taking actions to help former president trump, you're right. there is only so much a gag order can do. and even beyond that, want go to go. that is not anything that a gag order can necessarily control. >> yep. lisa rubin, thank you for springing into action. that's our show this evening. msnbc coverage continues right now. tonight on a special two- hour edition of the read-out.
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>> the toughest business people. people that you know about. could i ask you a question? how do you do it? i say do what? how do you get up in the morning and put your pants on? i will explain it to you some day. we have been talking about politics so long, i'm oded. you know what i means? i'm oded on politics. i'm oded on trump. i turn on the television, trump, trump, trump, all different stories. >> that's true. debunking the lies about black and brown voters following trump's unhinged rally in the bronx. his case will come to an end while the other cases get slow walked by the supreme court. and crockett has an epic takedown of marge greene. be sure to stick around for our second hour and my full
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interview with wnba star brittney griner on how she surviveed in a russian gulag. and bonus content that has never aired before. you do not want to miss it. we begin with donald trump's preoccupation with crowd size which continued in an unhinged bronx rally where he boasted huge crowds of 25,000 plus. take a look. do you see 25,000 people? based on the police department as well as math, the laws of physics and the existence of eyeballs, you can see that trump once again is lying. it is the lie that launched a thousand memes. with folks comparing this paltry with what actually constitutes a touchdown of 25,000. like the crowd andrea bocelli drew. or this rally for obama. if anything triggers donald trump, it's the obama factor.
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remember back in 2017 on that awful day for american history when trump was inaugurated president, he predicted huge crowds for his ceremony. bigger than obama's. but then, these photos famously showed a view of the crowd on the national mall at the inauguration of obama on the left and trump on the right. both shot from noon from the top of the washington monument. the lies continue to this day. a couple of weeks ago, a so- called raucous beach front rally in new jersey drew between 80 and 100,000 people according to wildwood officials. but then those same republican officials later said the number reflected not really how many people were at the rally per se, but rather it was the number of people in our town. make it make sense. or rather, don't. we know the absurdity is the point. this is the thing with donald trump. an overinflated sense of self and orchestrated lie to make him seem better than he actually is. you know who else does that?
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dictators. knowing people will just believe any narrative they are fed. and we know this about donald trump. but this is also about the media taking the bait. with reports on trump's crowd size snatching all the headlines. this is a call for some good old fashioned shoe leather reporting. was anyone at this rally asked if they are actually from the bronx? it boasts the majority of black and latino voters. the crowd looked awfully white. as trump was lying on stage, this is what new yorkers said on the ground. >> nobody who is authentically from the bronx is willing to cosign hatred and xenophobia and all of the things that this guy represents. >> no. he is not welcome in the bronx. >> do you think there is anyone
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you know in the bronx voting for him? >> no. i don't know anyone. >> doesn't fit trump's narrative does it? and think about it. if trump has so many supporters in new york, why aren't they showing up in droves to support him at his trial? where the courthouse is literally just a subway ride away? this is tuesday. one supporter. usually there are none. trust me. i have been there. and to top off this tom foolery, trump floated byron donalds as potential vice president pick. that guy. the one black guy republicans love to roll out as fake proof that the blacks are just maga. they are maga. it's a joke. and just as credible as when they pretended they were going to make that guy speaker of the house because they weren't going to do that either. joining me now is michael
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steele. and clay cain. host of the clay cain show. author of the new york times best selling book, the grift. we were on the list at the same time. >> we were. >> let's talk about this. this particularly bothered me. my god mother, my jamaican god mother lived in the bronx. that is where i lived after college. i'm an orphan so after that i went and lived with my god mother so i lived in the south bronx. i know what the south bronx is like. i know what the south bronx people are like. that ain't it. they are trying to use this location and this little crowd to make it look like it is brown and black people that are his base. does it irritate you? >> i have been in the new york city area almost 25 years and talk about pandering and lies. lies, lies, and more lies. i mean, he is in the south bronx. but the bx is not there with
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him. local news reports said people were traveling there. and then it is silly. i think about to show us how he cares about black or brown voters, he brought out two rappers who have been accused of murder. and this year marks 25, i'm sorry, 35 years since he accused five black men in central park of being rapists and calling for their execution. >> and yusuf salam represents the district not far from there. so he thought those kids were garbage. he wanted them dead. that is the guy who anybody black like byron who is from brooklyn like me. his family is caribbean american, like mine. i grew up around the time of the central park five. i never even watched the apprentice. anybody black that knows anything about donald trump thinks the way i do about him. that is why he got 10% in new york when he ran here. new yorkers don't like him.
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>> absolutely. and when he was running for office, we were saying trust new yorkers. >> we tried to tell you. >> and why isn't he in florida in his actual district? >> you will not be vice president byron. they will make he speaker. he was on our show trying to convince us of that. they rubbed his head. don't let people rub you on the head. i know you are a hip hop fan as i am. i have never heard of sheffg and sleepy hollow. they were both accused of murder in a 140 count indictment. so trump's pitch to us is gold sneakers and two rappers accused of murder. that is what he thinks of black people. as somebody who tried to expand the ranks of black support in the republican party, what do you think of that? >> well, it is an embarrassing affront to all the work and
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effort that african americans are trying to create within their community and trying to get people to pay attention to the young african american boys and girls who are working their way through schools, who are trying, who just graduated this year. and for major institutions, to set a course for themselves of the american dream. so you want to remind us that we are nothing more than rappers with 140 felony counts against them including murder. oh. by the way, we are going to save you on your cigarettes because we know you like smoking those cigarettes. and wearing those sneakers. it's all been a lie. it has all been portrayed in a way. and this is the part i find the most offensive. when members of our tone community promote this crap. >> come on. >> and don't speak honestly. that is a problem.
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so you know, you might as well just stand on that stage instead of throwing out maga hats, throw out a pair of sneakers because that's essentially what it is. and so, that is all you can bring to us, stay your ass home. we don't need it. >> he literally threw paper towels at puerto ricans. you have marco rubio who knows better. who used to be a commentator. he is okay with them locking up people like him and putting them in camps. you can always find someone from the community who is willing to clarence thomas it out and turn against his own people. clarence thomas who thinks brown people went too far. that guy. you have a baby version of him in byron donalds. it is so embarrassing. >> real quick. joy. how does clarence thomas think he gets an education if brown v. the board of education is still in place? is he going to harvard maybe?
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>> he thinks some white billionaire will help him. he does believe in a goodly rich white person. he thinks he is fine. he doesn't care about anyone else. i mean, i got to bring michael in here. there is a great series in the new republic i hope you guys will check it out. the other piece of this, michael, is the media. the media has got to stand in the way of fascism here. i know they don't want to take a side. what american fascism would look like. talk about the media's responsibility here in terms of the way we talk about this stuff. the way we talkabout things like did he get a massive number of black and brown people in the bronx. >> we are way past the time, joy, where we can do this side and that side as it relates to donald trump. the kind of journalism that says this side says this and this side says that.
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that said, that's a traditional approach to objective journalism. we can't have that. i'm not saying that the media should be shilling for joe biden or seeing to it he wins the election. no, absolutely no.. however, the media has to stand for the values of democracy. an and the values of the republic we live in and that we have been trying to perfect for 250 years. and against the values that would attack them. he tells us every week, we were prepares that issue of the new republic. and you know. i was wondering maybe, is this going a little far? then he comes out with that time magazine interview. this validates every single word we are writing in this package of stories. and yeah, the media has to just
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be more blunt and say look. this man said he is going to do this. he says he is going to put, try to deport and round up millions and millions of people. what would that look like? a long investigative series on what that would look like. what that would do to families. families who are, you know, tax paying people. it is sad. >> it is sad. and i think what is also sad, clay, is the audition process we have seen. tim scott and marco rubio hue yell mating themselves. >> you are not responding to a simple question about as
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conspiracy theory you voiced. >> what conspiracy theory? >> that the fbi by having on a document they are authorized to use deadly force was trying to harm or assassinate former president trump. that is false. will you acknowledge that? >> can i be very clear with you? >> sure. >> i'm not sure what merrick garland is trying to do these days. because it is clear that the department of justice is being weaponnized against donald trump. that is clear. >> you can only be embarrassed for people who have the capability of being embarrassed for themselves. the real pick is probably going to be someone like tom cotton. because he is willing to defend slavery. he wants to send in troops. to attack people with black lives matter. he is the violent openly fine with racism if he ain't racist,
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he's open to it. that's the kind of guy trump wants. byron donalds is not. >> it is interesting for all the tap dancing that byron donalds is doing and tim scott is doing, there was not going to be a reward for your indecency. being a disservice to the history of black republicans. to the history of the gop. you are not going to be rewarded for it. to see him cosigning some bizarre conspiracy theory that trump is going to be assassinated or killed by the doj or the fbi, that is what a cult leader said. jim jones said that in 1978. the government is trying to come after me. for you to coshine that is shameful. >> and he has had some experience with the criminal justice system when he was done. they showed leniency to him. so he knows the criminal justice system firsthand. and michael, let me actually play you the other side of it.
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this is what joe biden. they have an ad out featuring the great robert deniro. let's play that. >> from midnight tweets to drinking bleach. to tear gassing citizens and staging a photo op. we know trump was out of control when he was president. then he lost the 2020 election and snapped. desperately trying to hold onto power. now, he is running again. this time, threatening to be a dictator, to terminate the constitution. >> if i don't get elected, it will be a blood bath. >> trump wants revenge. and he will stop at nothing to get it. >> okay, former rnc chair. michael, is that a good retort? >> that's a good retort. you know what i like about that ad? because this is the take away. he snapped. he snapped. in all the connotations that go with those two words about trump, about the democrats
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getting a little more mojo. politics is not jus about i respond if i get hit. sometimes you have to lean in and lay a shot or two first. this ad responds. every time trump says something bad or crazy, he snapped. he snapped. >> quickly, last word to you. give us a piece of advice on what we should be doing to try to counter this oncoming fascism steaming toward us. >> our friends an neighbors and relatives about the things donald trump says. let's not talk about what he did as president from 2016 to 2020. let's talk about what he says he is going to do. he has laid it out there for us. he made it plain. he is going to take a wrecking ball to democracy. every voter doesn't care about
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that, joy. but i would have to think critical masses of voters do care. >> we certainly hope so. thank you all very much. up next on the reidout, a monumental time in american history with the first criminal trial of a former president coming to a close. what to expect next. close. what to expect next. and they don't 'circle back', they're already there. they wear business sneakers and pad their keyboards with something that makes their clickety-clacking... clickety-clackier. but no one loves logistics as much as they do. you need tamra, izzy, and emma. they need a retirement plan. work with principal so we can help you with a retirement and benefits plan that's right for your team. let our expertise round out yours.
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on tuesday, closing arguments will begin in donald trump's hush money interference trial. it will be one week since the 12-member jury was last in the new york city courtroom. lawyers will have their chance to refresh the memories of the jurors as they make their final
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case. they cannot present new evidence so the closing arguments can only sum up is facts and evidence already presented during the trial. for the prosecution, that includes a damning amount of direct and circle evidence in trump's involvement in the falsifications of business records to cover up the experience to influence the 2016 election by unlawful means. as presented by their witnesses. for the defense, their strategy clearly is to hope that at least one juror will not accept that mountain of evidence. and will instead question the credibility of the testimony from trump's former lawyer michael cohen. just as important, if not more so, following those closing arguments, judge juan merchan will read off the jury instructions which will be the basis for how the jury will decide whether trump is guilty or not guilty. at that point, trump's fate will be in the hands of his 12- member jury of his peers.
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joining me now is joyce vance, professor at the university of alabama school of law and msnbc legal analyst. and andrew weissman. tell me what you expect to see happen in the summations and can you anticipate for us what you think the jury instructions might look like? >> yes, two really important questions joy. it is a little frustrating being a lawyer in a trial. in the opening statement all you can do is predict to the jury what you think the evidence will be. you can't make any arguments about what it means. you can't do that when you are asking witnesses questions. but closing argument you get to let loose and share with the jury your views of what the evidence means. it doesn't always come in sequential order. sometimes we have these witnesses we have to use to
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authenticate evidence. this is the opportunity to explain to the jury here is how all the evidence adds up to guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. and these are extraordinarily good prosecutors. they have done a fine job. it's a tough case. i think we will hear them arm the jurors with good arguments that they can take into the room. so that while they are deliberating, if there are some among the your who are less persuaded, they will have the evidence and the order that they need to have that conversation with their fellow jurors. the jury instructions play a big role in that. there is a kerfuffle about whether trump could put up an expert on law. i don't know if andrew has the same reaction. it makes me a little uncomfortable. i'm used to having the instructions written in stone before i can argue so i can tell the jury, here is what the
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judge will tell you about the law. and my understanding is that may happen a little bit differently here. ultimately, the judge is the authority who tells the jurors what law to use. >> so prothe prosecutor's point of view, what kind of instructions do they want to hear and what do you think the defense wants to hear? >> i will kind of resist the question for this reason. i sort of feel like there has been too much emphasis on the jury instructions. as joy said, they are obviously point. but i don't think there are a lot of open issues here. and i think we are a little bit going down a rabbit hole. da bragg would not charge the case if he was trying to get an outlier instruction and needed to convince the judge of something unusual. basically, the judge merchan said that. i'm playing it right down the
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fairway. i will give standard instructions. they are pretty clear in this kind of case. the law here is not that complicated but, people ask me sort of what are you waiting for in the jury instructions? and my answer was not a lot. >> the reason i ask that, there has been a lot of talk about whether or not an instruction could include a misdemeanor option which could give the jurors an out if they think the conduct was wrong. but not a felony. >> okay. so in order to answer that, you need to understand that in order to bring a charge brought within a certain amount of time. for misdemeanors, you have to bring the charge within two years. for felonies you have a longer amount of time. the two year period has run out. they were not brought in time so the state can't ask for the
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lesser included offense. sometimes they wouldn't want to ask for that. but here, they don't have that ability. it is for the state. it is felony or nothing. they don't get to say judge, we would like the lesser included. and the judge can't just say i would like to charge it. the defendant can say i will waive my right that you should have brought this on time. and you do that when you are thinking i would rather get convicted of a misdemeanor. so far, donald trump has not asked for the lesser included offense. he could change his mind but i don't think he will. >> he is going for nullification. >> and he will be hammering as hard as he can. his side will say michael cohen is indispensable to the case. and he provides reasonable doubt. because of all the bad acts and the state will say he is not
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indispensable. and he is highly corroborated. >> and the only sort of material witness the trump side put on is a disaster. let me talk about a lot of other stuff. this is all happening while joyce, the judge cannon has essentially snuffed out the case about the documents. i think that seem to be over. while the supreme court after taking 25 days, rapid fire, to get trump back on the ballot, is now slow walking the immunity case which is now holding up all the other cases. so everything seems to be stalled. i know you wrote about this. so the fact that judge cannon seems to be a partisan, that samuel alito obviously is a partisan which he says is his wife's fault. and obviously, clarence thomas is a partisan. but out of the three, the one that is the most obvious is alito. the fact it feels to a lot of people out here, this no longer, they are just
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politicians making these decisions. that florida court and the supreme court. >> isn't this a fitting epilogue for the trump record. and now, we are left in a moment in time where we really need to have confidence in the courts. and it is tough to muster. i mean, judge cannon in florida. it is unbelievable to say she can't schedule a case for trial. because there are so many pending motions when there are so many pending motions because she spent months dragging her feet and not ruling on motions. there have been lingering issues with him and justice
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thomas. now we have a situation where we have a justice. and this is not just a small thing. this is a justice who now on two occasions has been identified as taking a publicly partisan stance. that is something that judges do not do. i will tell you as the wife of a judge and the daughter-in-law of a judge that even as a family member, you are very careful. you don't view it as a restriction. you view it as honoring the integrity of the judiciary for people lucky enough to be involved in that service. to answer your question, you are right to be having a crisis of confidence. >> john robert is no longer embarrassed and worried about their reputations. he doesn't care. this is all happen at the justice department. i have a lot of issues with
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merrick garland. the son of the president hunter biden is going to trial spit spot. no delays. he is going to trial on that did he falsify a gun application. there is no delay. this to me is a two tier justice system and merrick garland is presiding over it. >> with respect to merrick garland in the hunter biden case. the attack on merrick garland that trump makes on the justice system is that he has been unfairly targeted. and this is a justice department that is prosecuting currently the sitting president's son. >> correct. >> and so, the idea that this is a partisan department of justice is belied by the facts. and to the issue of sort of that you have been talking with joyce about delay. one, obviously, there is what we know. justice delayed is justice
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denied. thur good marshall said. you can relate this to merrick garland would be on the supreme court if not for delayed justice in congress. you have delayed justice by judge cannon that is preventing a case in the public from having its day in court. you have the supreme court now delays the insurrection case in dc and for all we know, it is because of justice alito and thomas. and so, this really, the effort of their interests to not implement things on a timely basis. as a way to really thwart the legal system. >> you know what they have not delayed? hunter biden's trial. thank you both very much my friends. coming up, i am still not over this moment. >> somebody's bleach blond bad built butch body. >> that was congresswoman
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do you no know what we're here for? >> i think your fake eyelashes
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are making things up. >> that is beneath even you ms. greene. >> i'm curious. just to better understand your ruling. if someone on this committee then starts talking about someone cease bleach blond bad built butch bodies. that would not be engaging of personalties right? >> what now? >> what now? this is the time of the week when we would play our favorite game who won the week, but we figured we would do something a little different since this is a two hour special. this follows a brutal house bully takedown that went viral. it is going to be rolled out as part of a crock ett clapback collection. that back and forth also blooding the internet with a deluge of musical renditions including this one. >> ♪ she got a bleach blond
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bad built butch body ♪♪ >> joining us now is the winner of the week representative jasmine crockett of texas. that is not even my favorite one. my favorite one is the girl group version. let me ask you this. a lot of people listen to that and said this lady clearly had a plan ready. when did you think of this? did it just pop into your head? what is happening? >> definitely b was stuck in my head but i needed to use it appropriately. i did not have this locked and loaded. you know. after the chairman decided he was going to rule that way. in the midst of me trying to get his attention so i could do a parliamentary inquiry, i started from her head to her toes. so i started with the bleach blond, my granny used to have a saying. she used to say people were bad built.
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you know how old black women can get. they say what they say. and so, that was kind of an ode to my granny. and then obviously. >> it went viral. >> it definitely had black grandma vibes. you are so young. but you know, the thing i think the reason it resonated to be serious, is that marjorie taylor greene is a bully. she is not a legislator. she has not created anything and she has not created anything positive other than bullying people and she started bullying you in a way that was racialized. your lashes. i red that as a racialized attack. she did it to aoc. aoc came to your defense. what is it like having to be in a legislative body which is supposed to be a prestigious institution with someone like her? >> yeah. it is come fleetly unpredictable. but listen. you know. unproductive. she is showing the world who she is. and the republicans continue to give her cover, it tells you
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who they are as well. they want to disassociate themselves from her. but in reality. when you don't check her, you basically are complicit in the thing she does. she is the fifth highest fund raised. i don't know if she shares her money. but i think that for some of them, say they you know what? we are able to get some money and we are also able to keep trump off of our backs so they just let it go. i have had thumbs up, winks, and comments from the other side. some saying i like your lashes. listen, nobody is coming for her defense. and, they are all patting me on my back. so. yeah. >> let me play another moment that went viral. >> it did not seem as if my colleague understood that someone can be diverse and
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qualified. and, it is why you have people like me that get very frustrated. not just in the hall of congress but in general. there are those that would make some people believe because i happen to be black and or a woman, that somehow even though i can rattle off all the qualifications in the world, my blackness makes me unqualified. >> i think one of the reasons you have become so beloved by so many people, even if they are not political, is that you used your platform to do things like that. it is not just the funny viral moments of you taking down a bully. it is you seeing black women in public spaces facing what you are facing. all the accomplishments being thrown away. you went viral this week pointing out snap benefits mostly go to rule communities, not black people. what is your purpose? what do you want to be your big
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accomplish. >> i want people to feel like they are represented. we are supposed to live in a representative government for far too long. representative government in this country has meant old white men. and so many people felt like their stories, their experiences that they were left out of the conversation. and, i don't believe that i get the privilege of sitting at this table and not amplifying the struggles we are experiencing and the reality is that i sit in congress, yet for whatever reason, i experience these as well. it doesn't matter what level you attain. sometimes, there are those that are always going to pretend as if you are lesser than simply because you are a woman or that you are a person of color. >> amen. and i want to acknowledge this is a two-year anniversary of the uvalde slayings in your state of texas and we want to give love to all of the families there. and thank you congresswoman jasmine crockett. we see you. we know you see us. we appreciate you, sis. you won the week. coming up. >> love you. >> thank you. and coming up at the top of the
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crowned ms. usa. tragically, she died by suicide at the age of 30. cheslie kryst sent a devastating next to her mother that again "by the time you get this, i won't be alive anymore ." writing, "i can't bear the weight of sadness, hopelessness, and loneliness anymore." cheslie kryst's life story continues, this time in a new book, "by the time you read this," written by cheslie kryst and finished after her death by her mother, who i had the chance to speak with recently. april, thank you so much for being here. i can't imagine your grief, i can't imagine finishing my daughter's book. what caused you to want to do this and it was at her request? >> in her final text message, she left her final wishes and one of her final wishes was
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that her be published. i took that as a charge in the pursuit getting her book published. >> i think that we tend to think of people who seem to have everything. she was not just a beauty queen, one of three black women who were crowned in pageants at the same time. i remember posting that on my social media when it happened but she was also a lawyer, she was an athlete. she seemed to be, she was beautiful. what could she have not been? somebody like that, people think they can't possibly, they can't possibly be depressed, they must be happy. is that what she fell and, the difference between the perception of her and the reality ? >> that is where people put her. if all of the markers of her achievement and success could cure mental illness, we wouldn't be having this conversation. but, i think for many people there's a belief that all of those successes will somehow impact a mental illness and
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unfortunately, it does not. >> i feel like there's also a conversation about depression and black women in particular don't have it, there's the idea of the strong black woman, you are fine. no one can believe that someone like cheslie could be depressed. how do we get past that questioning >> we open up conversations and that is one of the reasons why i wanted to write this book and hope that people will see her black face on the front and know that someone like her with so many markers of success was struggling and our community and the black community, we've got to start these conversations. our young people are suffering, our women are suffering, our men are suffering and all in silence because of the stigma associated with mental illness. >> our suicide rate in this country are staggering. they are growing day by day. one of the things that cheslie struggled with was the
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bullying online. we are seeing even as successful and gorgeous as her, all the things you would think, she was still getting harassed online. >> that's right. social media can be a good thing and it can be a very bad thing, especially for your mental health. cheslie, while she had ways of trying to pull the toolbelt of her toolbox and not internalized some of the bullying that she got, i would be remiss if i said it never got to her. of course it got to her. >> i said to you before you are a superhero for writing this. if you can, i don't want to traumatize you further, talk to me about the moment that you got that text, what did you think, did you think maybe she was not being serious, what did you think? >> honestly, i think as someone who had been her support person and was there for her after her first attempt, i didn't know if, i knew she would never send me a text like that if there wasn't a truth and effect behind it. i have heard just in studying
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and understanding suicide and mental illness that there are times when people will beat out because they don't want to leave. when i got that, i thought then we've got time to save her. we've got time to get to her. evening reading her final text, when she said, you know, i don't want to leave you. for her, it was the only way she saw two sure that pain. i really hope that conversations around mental illness continue to open up. there's a piece of that that many people don't understand. that is why they default to all of these things externally that she had as achievement, assuming that somehow should
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ensure her mental illness but that is not the way that works. >> what are the signs we should look to? you talked about her sending a care package and it was something she did often but this contained some of her things. what are things people should be looking for? >> hindsight is 2020. i've learned now that sometimes when people are planning to leave us through death, they will begin to give their things away. so, you know, hindsight being 2020, perhaps that is what was going on with her. there are a number of signs people can look for. cheslie had depression and anxiety. mental illness, while those are the two most common, goes far beyond that. and so when it comes to things like ocd, schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, what do those signs look like? and, you know, one thing i love about the being an ambassador of the national alliance of mental illness, they'll put together an exhaustive list of things you can look for, signs, not just in ourselves but in our children that may trigger something is going on with their mental health. i have learned as a mental health advocate, and i am learning every day that
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knowledge is power and the best way to help others is to learn and go and explore information that is already out there. >> april simpkins, you are not just learning, you are teaching every day. you are going to help so many people. you are a super law and i am so blessed to be able to talk to you. this is such a valuable conversation. to our viewers, if you or someone you know is struggling or in crisis, help is available. call or text 988 or visit 988lifeline.org. coming up, a second hour of the reidout with brittney griner. stay with us. chief! doug. (inaudible sounds) ooooo ah. (elevator doors opening) (inaudible sounds) i thought you were right behind me. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, ♪
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