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insurrectionist. senate democrats now want a meeting with chief justice john roberts and dozens of house members are demanding a leader recuse himself from cases related to donald trump in january 6, one of those, congresswoman jasmine crockett, joins midlife unset. joyce vance tells us what to look for is the first criminal trial of a former president heads to the jury next week and why special counsel jack smith is taking bold new action in terms classify documents case. and, reality check. do you all really believe trumps rally in the bronx was about reaching out to black and latino voters? i don't. i am jonathan capehart. this is the saturday show. for decades, democrats have tried and failed to make the court a voting issue for its
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base. well, maybe this election cycle, they will succeed because this week in washington, we are seeing two very different visions for the american justice system. president biden reached a major milestone in his mission to diversify the federal courts. the consent -- senate confirmed his 200 and 201st judicial nominees adding two more women of color to the bench. biden has already pointed more black and brown judges than any president in history. they think the senate in the statementsend quote, judges matter. these men and women have the power to uphold basic rights or to roll them back. that is why democrats are calling out some urgent and serious ethics concerns on the in court. according to the new york times, supreme court justice samuel alito decorated his homes with two flags like those carried in the january 6 insurrection. alito blamed his wife for the first one, and upside down
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american flag. he has yet to say anything about the second one. the reporting from the washington post reveals that martha and alito told the paper in 2021 that she did intended as a quote, signal of distress in response to a dispute with a neighbor. senate judiciary chair durbin is now asking to meet with chief justice roberts about the flag controversy. he has also joined the dozens of house democrats urging alito to recuse himself from january 6 cases including donald trump's presidential immunity claim. meanwhile, many republican lawmakers insist there's nothing to see here. >> i just think democrats are determined to harass members of the supreme court. >> it might be political from the standpoint of the left, but it's not from political from my standpoint. >> we need to leave the supreme court alone, protect them from people who went into their neighborhoods and tried to do them harm.
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>> and, leaders outdoor decor is not the only cause for alarm coming from the high court. this week, the supreme court diminished the power of black voters in south carolina by ruling in favor of racial gerrymandering in the palmetto state. alito wrote the majority opinion, but justice clarence thomas's concurrence was somehow even worse. by attacking the brown versus board of education decision suggesting the court overreached with its landmark 70-year-old ruling that ended school segregation. it's a reminder of just how much progress the supreme court's conservative super majority could undo, especially if donald trump gets back in the oval office. former obama white house senior adviser dan pfeiffer warns that alito and thomas are likely to step down in a second trump administration, making way for another generation of maga jurist on the supreme court. >> that means he will have appointed five supreme court justices, all of whom will be
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around or below the age of 60 when he leaves office. that is a maga court majority that will rule for decades. >> in the words of biden himself, judges matter. more than ever, so does the president who picks them. joining me now, democratic congresswoman jasmine crockett of texas. she is a member of the house oversight committee. welcome back to the saturday show. you signed the letter calling for justice alito to recuse himself after news broke of the first leg. the reaction now that there has been a second flag? >> listen, were not to play with this. we know who alito is. he's not going to hide who he is. i know he tried to hide behind his wife during the first incident but he has nothing to say about the second incident. you know, i have my little
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drama that happened in oversight. unfortunately, what was not covered is that the court reform task force was rolled out the exact same we can in that task force we have three major things we are looking at. number one, term limits, no more than 18 years. we are also looking at expanding the court because we know right now that we literally cannot trust these folk, and the last thing we're looking at is making sure their are some actual ethics reforms, so we have three bills we are pushing forward with. we're trying to educate the rest of our colleagues in trying to hopefully get some movement in the house and then we just pray about the senate. >> so this gets to something house majority leader hakeem jeffries said earlier this week. he said of the supreme court doesn't quote, get its act under control, congress should impose an ethics code. but, is that going to take a new congress and a new congress with the democratic majority to get those three bills you're talking about through? >> absolutely. i just don't think we have the courage on the other side.
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oddly enough, if we still had one of our freedom caucus members, ken buck, he may have actually joined in because he is a former prosecutor, so one of the issues that he had with dealing with the folk in the houses that he did not feel like there was a legal pathway to impeachment in the first place and he felt as if his colleagues were diminishing the institution by playing games with trying to impeach the president, by going out and impeaching secretary may arcus and things like that and so he, in my opinion, has a little bit more respect for the law. the rest of them, they may be summed that respects the law but they don't have the guests -- guts to stand up and do what's right. >> i've heard some people say justice alito should be impeached. with that go too far? >> no, i don't think it would.
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the pandora's box is already open. they just don't have control of the senate as well as the white house. i don't think we will have the filibuster if the republicans get a hold of the senate again. democrats hide behind so many traditions, not laws, but traditions even when we start talking about appointments to the courts. it's amazing the president has been able to do what he has done but we have a ton of vacancies in the state of texas and we can't get them because of blue slips. blue slips our tradition. they are not law and basically what we see in the south were a lot of these terrible cases are coming from, is republican senator say no, you can't have any appointments in our state. we're going to hold on until a republican is in and then they decide to forum-shop and send other case crazy cases to the crazy judges in the south and take it up through the fifth circuit and then we know what happens when it gets to the supreme court. >> i was going to ask you. it's not just the high court, the supreme court we are talking about. we are talking about folks needing to worry about those federal appointments and you were alluding to this but in your home state of texas, it was a trump appointed federal
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judge who helped send abortion back to the supreme court in the mifepristone case. >> yes, there was no legal basis. i don't know how this guy made it to the court. he does not sound like he's that intelligent, or he pretended not to be intelligent. i'm not really sure but we're talking about a case where there was no standing in for those at home who don't understand, standing is like first grade for lawyers. like this is the first thing you learn. you somehow have to be harmed before you can go to court so we are talking about people that literally have nothing to do with mifepristone but you know what, i feel this so i'm going to bring this case. it should've been shut down immediately, but it did not end up happening. >> i love that. if you're not harmed by the case you cannot holler at the court. that's just genius. can we just go back and talk about the supreme court because i'm just wondering, the supreme court, chief justice, chief
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justice john roberts actually have control of this court? >> i would argue that there is no control anytime maga is in the room. that is just the bottom line and while alito and thomas may not have come up through maga , amy coney barrett did along with cavanaugh. we know there is a lot of maga in the room and alito and thomas came in and they wanted to be maga, they really did but that is not where the republican party was at the time so now, you're looking at a court -- i mean, roberts is usually who we look at for the swing. i mean, this is bad. this is really bad and the fact that amy coney barrett may go with the mifepristone case like you finally woke up and realized you were a woman and you got children and your children may be affected -- i'm not really sure what woke her
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up and made her decide maybe i don't need to go this way but we appreciate her if she does the right thing. the questioning made it seem like she was on the right track but you know, we never know until it actually goes down. in addition to that, you know, republicans are really getting what they ask for, which is actually too much because like they are not really good policy. that's why when they asked donald trump they say hey, what is your policy. he's like oh, i'll get back to you. how are you running to be the president of the united states and you don't have an opinion? you do have an opinion. you just don't want to talk about it because you know it's not popular and for people who can't read the tea leaves, listen, the little rights you do have left in california or new york, he's trying to say i'm going to those from you, too, so you better pay
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attention to what he's not saying. >> those tea leaves are the size of maple leaves. let's just put it that way. congresswoman jasmine crockett of the great state of texas, thank you very much to coming back to the saturday show. joining me now is mark joseph stern. mark, top that. let's talk about justice alito and his legal reasoning, which you have been warning us about. why is his argument in the south carolina case so concerning? >> it is incredibly pernicious because what justice alito argues is that federal courts should essentially never acknowledge when state legislature is engaged in gerrymandering, when the target black voters and dilute the power of the vote because of their race. justice alito says you know, we, as judges, should really be more concerned about accusing state legislatures of racism in the first place. the real offense here is to acknowledge your state that a lawmaker of the republican party specifically might try to divvy up citizens on the basis of race in disadvantaged voters and he says we owe this overwhelming presumption of
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good faith or the presumption of white racial innocence, as a collet, to assume legislatures are never engaged in racist gerrymandering. of course they are all the time but justice alito simply closed his eyes to that and allowed for what i think is a pretty egregious racist gerrymandering south carolina. >> okay. i got all that. can you please explain justice thomas's concurrence? how does he justify attacking -- where did the brown decision come from? >> justice thomas goes back and says actually, federal courts don't never have the power to strike down redistricting maps. he says whether they are racist, whether they are partisan, whether they are mal apportioned, that federal courts simply lack the constitutional authority to step in and redraw those maps. that is true, he says, even when state legislatures are openly racist, when they say we are going to target black voters because of their race
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and diminish the power, justice thomas is too bad, federal courts can't step in so he trace this back to the history of federal courts intervening in these disputes and he says the root of the problem was brown versus board of education because in brown, this court started expanding its ability to interfere with racist laws and the court went beyond its power to impose integration on public education and that just got us drunk on this judicial authority and lettuce to start striking down these maps and got us to the place where we are now and we need to rewind the clock back to the 1950s. i don't think this is a coincidence that this was the 70th anniversary of brown versus board. thomas has criticized that decision a lot in the past. >> a case that was argued by thurgood marshall, the man he replaced on the supreme court.
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we don't even have enough time for me to go on a tirade. i want to talk about justice sotomayor because in a speech at harvard last night she expressed some frustration with the court. >> there are days that i have come to my office after an announcement of a case, and closed my door and cried. there have been those days, and there are likely to be more. >> i mean, mark, that is a very telling statement from justice sotomayor. what does that reveal to you? >> it reveals a lot because every may, she goes out and give the public talk where she gives a little preview of what is to come and how bad it will be in this year, she is jumping up and down waving the red flag. she is warning us that we have
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a lot of bad decisions to come, so awful that they disturb her to the point of tears, and remember, we have more than a dozen major cases piling up on the supreme court's docket. they have all of these blockbusters still to hand down and i think justice sotomayor is telling the public you'd better brace yourself because this is going to be a disaster of epic proportions. >> marks justice of -- joseph stern, thank you for coming to the saturday show. coming up, closing arguments in donald trump's historic criminal trial in new york is set for tuesday. legal analyst joyce vance joins me next to talk about what we should keep our eyes on plus what president biden's campaign has in store for trump once the manhattan trial ends. so much more ahead on the saturday show. the fully electric q8 e-tron. an electric vehicle that recharges you. how we get there matters. everybody wants super straight,
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we are now just a few days away from closing arguments in donald trump's criminal hush money election interference trial in new york, wrapping up what is likely to be the only case against him to reach a jury before the november election.
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on tuesday, trumps legal team will go first in presenting its closing argument to the jury, looking to sell reasonable doubt in jurors' minds about the counts against the president. only a unanimous jury verdict on a charge leads to conviction so all the defense needs is one doubting jura for a hung jury on each count which would then trigger a mistrial. manhattan d.a. alvin bragg's prosecuting team will follow, making us argument the trump falsified business records to cover up a hush money payment to adult film star stormy daniels ahead of the 2016 election. trump has denied all the charges and the alleged dalliance with daniels. judge merchan will give the jury instructions on how to interpret the law and evidence as they go into deliberations. now, you would think if you are facing such a monumental week you would be a little chill, but we all know trump has no chill. in the middle of the night last night and this morning, he was
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sending out unhinged social media attacks against judge merchan and d.a. alvin bragg, some of them with a time stamp of 1:32 a.m. joining me now, joyce vance, former u.s. attorney. what do we know about what the prosecution and defense will likely include in their closing arguments? >> i think you've done a great job of setting out the parameters. the prosecution, when they close, will be all over the burden of proof. they will have to explain to the jury and give them good arguments for why they have proven trumps guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. that is the important part, and as you say, for a defense lawyer, the strategy is always to inject that reasonable doubt into the governments evidence so we will hear them focus very
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likely on michael cohen and his credibility issues, but they will also make other arguments about why the prosecution's evidence does not stack up in the way it needs to for your conviction. >> the judge's instructions to the jury ahead of their deliberations. this, i am keyed in on. what goes in to them and why are they so important how the jury considers its verdict in each case? >> right. so, it is the judges job as judge merchan told the lawyers last week, he is the one who gets to tell the jury what law they will use in evaluating the evidence and you can understand why that is important. he is the one who will explain to jurors what the burden of proof means and what evidence they would need to find proof beyond a reasonable doubt. he will explain to them the
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substantive details of new york law and for instance, what it means for donald trump to have caused a record to have been made that is false, so the way judges do this in virtually all jurisdictions, new york state court is one of them, is that there are pattern jury instructions that committees of the courts create across a period of time with instructions that have been affirmed over and over again by courts of appeals, meaning they are good statements of the law and we will see the judge rely on those to the extent that he can, but some of the charging here is novel. this is the first case, if not a rare case, where is this records falsification crime is charged in connection with the campaign-finance violation and the judge will have to craft some unusual jury instructions so there will be a lot of art that goes into that, and negotiation with the parties. >> correct me if i'm wrong. do the prosecution and defense and the judge, do they hash out what those instructions will be?
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>> right. so, the parties usually will submit their jury instructions. they have done that here. we are not able to see them publicly, and the judge has told them in some cases how he is leaning, and in other cases, he said he may have to write his own instruction, that he does not think either one of them has hit the nail precisely on the head. >> got it. one more question for you on the mar-a-lago classified documents case. jack smith filed court papers yesterday asking judge cannon for a gag order on trump after falsely suggesting that fbi agents were quote, complicit in the plot to assassinate him,end quote, during the search of trumps home last august. trump is twisting around the standard language used in fbi search warrants designed to limit the use of force. president biden's document search warrant had the same language, so joyce, if judge cannon denies or delays ruling on this motion, what other options the special counsel
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smith have? can he appeal? >> right. it is a complicated situation but it is important to say that what trump is doing is simply lying. this is a standard policy recitation you see in all fbi operational planning. it is important to inform agents and agents from other agencies, about the policy on the use of deadly force, so trump is just making this up and what jack smith is doing is very clever. he's actually asking the judge to modify the conditions of trumps release on a pretrial bond pending trial. if the judge denies that motion, by statute, jack smith has an automatic right to appeal her decision to the 11th circuit and so as you correctly point out, jonathan, the problem here is, what if she doesn't rule? what if she just lets it sit? at that point in time, smith would consider whether or not he might be able to take up addition of mandamus. we have
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talked about that another context. it is a very rarely used vehicle where a lawyer can go to the court of appeals and say, the trial judge is not doing something they're supposed to do, and you should order them to do it. depending on just how much rabble rousing trump does here, this is serious stuff. there was an attack after the mar-a-lago search warrant was executed on an fbi office in ohio. this sort of conduct inflames passion. if the judge does not move quickly, i think the government may well go to the 11th circuit with a mandamus writ. >> it is dangerous, and that is something both the attorney general merrick garland pointed out and also special counsel jack smith pointed out in his filing. joyce vance, thank you for coming back to the saturday show. coming up, donald trump tries to bond with black and latino voters with a rally in the south bronx. we'll take a closer look at the real meaning of his message and who it was for when my political panel joins me after the break. nel joins me after the break. that's why america's t includes a free eye exam
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while he waits for jury deliberations in his interference trial to begin, donald trump hit the campaign trail with a rally in the south bronx. on thursday, trump took the stage and one of the most democratic counties in the country and tempted to woo black and brown voters by slamming the black and brown immigrants who have settled in the city. >> these millions of people that are coming into our country, the biggest impact and the biggest negative impact is against our black population and our hispanic population, who are losing their jobs, losing their housing, losing everything they can lose. >> and, in another dubious attempt to enhance his credentials with voters of colors, trumps invited rappers jeff g and hollow on stage. once -- both faced charges and
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gang cases.. this first question is to both of you. here are some -- what some counterdemonstrators at the rally had to say about trumps attempt to connect with voters. watch this. >> nobody authentically from the bronx is willing to cosign sena phobia and misogyny and all of the things this guy represents. >> donald trump don't know that he's not welcome in the bronx. >> reporter: you know anyone in the bronx or friends that would consider voting for him? >> no, i don't know anyone. >> so, i'm going to come to you
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first on this. was trump really there to court black and brown votes are was that really about making white voters more comfortable with voting for him? >> i think it was really twofold. one is to sow doubt about democrats' commitment to the black and brown community, and we have seen over time dating back to 2016 when trump said what you have to listen ever since that moment, he has ticked up in terms of percentage of black voters from 6% to 8% to 10% so to some degree it's working but the second thing he's trying to achieve is creating this permission structure for black and brown folks to stay home, to say pox on both of your houses. you know, some people buy into the grievance argument but that's really what it's about is just peeling off a small percentage in selling that doubt to contribute to the apathy. >> susan, what do you think? >> one, let's roomer this rally was done or organized when
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donald trump thought he would be in court so he needs something else to do while he was going to in theory be in court. he wasn't, but there are a few things that really should be noted about the bronx. first of all, last year was the first time in 40 years that a city councilmember was elected from the bronx who was a republican. going back to 2016 to 2020, donald trump did seven points better in comparison, but none of this is to say donald trump is going to win the bronx, win new york, or anything like that. let's take that off the table, but it should show something, especially with the city
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council, that people do look at their current government and if they are not happy at the city, state, or federal level, they will try something else, and what we are seeing in the polling is that, especially black men, are looking away from joe biden. they are going to donald trump in small numbers, but when we are talking about margins in atlanta or milwaukee, those votes matter. >> i would just add that republicans play along game compared to democrats and this is a long game strategy. i've been arguing that democrats should take the same strategy. we should be going to places like mississippi, the poorest state in the union that's always been run by republicans and we should go to those places and make the case and say, what do you have to lose? you've been in the poorest state run by republicans. what do you have to lose considering an alternative option and we have not done that. >> not long game, not just presidential. governor, state legislature, too.
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ashley, president biden's campaign revealed that it plans to adopt a more aggressive approach with donald trump after the manhattan trial ends. just how hard should the president on the campaign go once the trial is over? >> i think they are adopting an aggressive posture now. just this week they released two edgy and biting ads that paint donald trump is having a penchant for racism, but also as someone who is committed to undermining the constitution on day one, serving as a dictator, you know, someone who has twice tried to cheat the election and overturn the government i mean so i think this they are taking an aggressive posture know what they're going to do after the case is the question that is on
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the table is whether or not they characterize him as convicted or not convicted. that is the real question but they are aggressively now targeting black and brown voters as well as nikki haley voters with these messages about who donald trump is. >> look, if he gets convicted, they better say convicted felon because it would be the truth. tonight, trump is planning to speak at the libertarian national convention in order to thwart rfk's campaign. is this a further indication that trump views rfk junior is a real threat? >> absolutely. it was a smart campaign maneuver, even though he would probably be greeted with boos. if he can present -- prevent rfk junior from getting the libertarian line that would be a significant win for trump or biden, depending on which state in which demographics you are talking about because the important thing about the libertarian party and why they're both fighting for, as it gives ballot access in nearly every state. i don't think they will hit 50 this year. it may be 46, 48, but rfk
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junior is nowhere close to that so i think trump went in there. even if they don't give it to him, just not to give it to rfk junior. >> in a couple minutes we have left we would be remiss if we didn't point out the fact that today is the fourth anniversary of george floyd's mother at the hands of a white police officer in minneapolis. where are we when it comes to criminal justice reform and do you think the george floyd's justice in policing act will ever make it through congress? maybe not this particular congress but if democrats retake the house in the next congress. will we have to wait that long? >> yes, that was an incredible time in american history, not just in terms of the loss in the murder of george floyd but also, you know, people around the world who are standing in
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solidarity about the value of black lives. i was running communications for pelosi at the time and was charged with the strategy around getting the bill passed. we passed it within 30 days, the fastest bill we have ever passed but what is rarely talked about, many of the groups of civil rights groups, people come talking about black lives actually walked away from the bill and my point is, if we don't take the bird in the hand, someone else is going to have to die a more dramatic fashion to get that level of momentum around the bill. the president, during the state of the union, made some really remarkable statements about the value of life and said you know, something that has to come out of this and the reality is, nothing good really has come out of it. to biden's credit, he is passing executive orders that outlaw chokehold and other aspects of the george floyd bill but you know executive orders are at the whim of the president. we need to codify it into law,
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and i think the problem here is this is a great vulnerability for the president. he and the vice president have not done anything to push legislation at the federal level to push congress to pass this bill so i think it's going to continue to be a drag on him but it continues to contribute to the perception that democrats show up to the black community just to get votes and just give lip service and not actually push legislation that benefits us. >> i will tell you this much. the biden-harris campaign has been firing on all cylinders going to black voters and folks need to understand that the president and vice president can pound the podium as much as they want but if they don't have a house and they don't have a sonnet willing to go along, ain't nothing going to get done. ashley, susan, thank you both very much for coming to the saturday show. still to come, a new book that puts a price tag on white alleged. author tracy mcmillan joins me next to explain. or tracy mcmile next to explain. fore advil: advil dual action fights pain two ways. advil targets pain at the source, acetaminophen blocks pain signals. advil dual action.
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can you put a price tag on whiteness? we know racism harms black and brown people but we don't talk much about how it can benefit white people. one way to measure that benefit, the wealth gap in the united states. research shows a difference of more than $1 million between black and white households. that means the average wealth
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of white families is more than seven times that of black families. we also don't often address for that white bonus comes from. the new book explores how being quite helps build wealth over a lifetime, down to the exact dollar. joining me now, investigative journalist tracy mcmillan, author of the new book, "the white bonus, five families and the cash value of racism in america." thank you very much for being here. you have determined that your own whiteness is worth $372,000. how did you come up with that figure and why did you decide to do that math? >> you know, i wanted to understand what being white gets me. i am not by most comparison, a rich person but i know racism definitely gives me some benefits of this is actually probably in undercount and that is from money my family was able to give me from policies that help because they were
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white or small discriminations that opened up a door for me to build my own wealth. >> you write quote, racism is both a direct payment and the form of compounding interest. so, how has your quote unquote white bonus added up over generations? >> yes, so, both of my grandparents, sets of grandparents, had houses with racial covenants that allow them to build family wealth which then meant my parents were able to catapult themselves into the middle class. those grandparents were also able to do things like pay for a nice wedding, down payment on house, and cover those things that keep trickling down to somebody like me so i haven't gotten any massive check anywhere, but all of that wealth met that my parents then could help me go to college even though i did have to work when i was going to school. i still got some help and that help opens a lot of doors. >> you also calculated the white bonus for four other families across the united states. what did you learn about whiteness across different socioeconomic classes? >> well, it is valuable in every class and in fact, while i think wealthy americans, wealthy white americans, get the largest amount of money.
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for folks in the middle class the fight advantage is the most powerful because it's often what leads to social mobility. someone being more likely to give you a job or a second chance if you run into a legal problem than if you were not white and then that means it's much more powerful, if it keeps letting you build wealth. >> it allows you to jump classes, also. one more question for you, tracy. you argued that ignoring the white bonus helps make it possible. how do you hope your book changes the conversation about racism? >> i hope we can be honest about what this country has done, which is that in the 20th century we made massive investments in white communities and families on that created the kind of stability a lot of white families enjoy, and we ought to be doing that for everybody. >> tracy mcmillan, thank you very much for being here. the name of the book is "the white bonus." next, more than 30 years after a different world inspired the rise in enrollment
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it has been more than 30 years since the groundbreaking show, "a different world," went off the air but its impact can still be seen today. the stars of the iconic series
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are currently touring black colleges and universities speaking to a younger generation currently tackling problems similar to ones the show experienced in the 1980s and 90s. tremaine lee recently sat down with the show's cast to get their take on challenges black americans still face today. >> it was 1987 when the groundbreaking tv show, "a different world," introduced viewers to life on the campus of the historically black spelman college. a brand-new flavor for prime time. attacking issues like domestic violence, a.i.d.s., war, and police brutality. it ushered in an era of black collegiate and cultural pride. now, almost four decades later, it is a different world indeed with diversity initiatives ripped away, affirmative-action gone, black history silenced and black leaders forced out. some of the shows generation shaping values same under attack.
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i recently caught up with the cast on the campus of howard university to talk about politics, racial representation and the shows enduring legacy. >> it's been 30 years. does it feel like it? >> it's been 38, but i appreciate the shave, brother. >> it does not feel like it. >> it also feels like some of the same issues you are confronted in the shower resonating today, issues of diversity, police brutality, apartheid. does it feel like a show like yours is as relevant today as it was then? >> absolutely. generations that were not even born in the same deck it is when we shot it are still gripped by the episodes, and show is a testament to it. >> and still grappling with the
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same issues we were addressing. that is the unfortunate reality. >> as long as we don't lose sight that even if it is the same issues that have to be dealt with that we are still raising a generation that is prepared to deal with this. >> you guys are doing this tour now in the midst of what could be considered an attack on affirmative action, black history, and i wonder how you are connecting to a new generation of students engaging with so many competing forces. >> i think the point is to let them know, give them the permission to know they are empowered to have the conversation. just because someone tells you to stop talking doesn't mean you stop talking or because someone tells you we are no longer going to make this information available to you, you need to go find it. you need to vote. you need to read. what's happening in the world today is an all-out assault, all-out assault on the truth of history, on the rights that we have fought and earned. people are trying to turn back the clock, so you got to know who is who, and if for no other reason, vote for the future you
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