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where just over five months before our next election and increasingly in the ballot for the biden and trump campaign. polls suggest are anxious if not divided over a second biden term. by that, i don't mean that anything approaching a majority of them will go for trump in no member. it appears trump couldn't track at least enough black voters in key states to divert biden from victory in most states, making his path to re-election even more harder. i talked to a member of the congressional black caucus about the swoop in the race, just a moment. as both candidates continue to court voters of color in their

own way, the wild president biden was on the road pitching his administrations economic wins to voters of color, donald trump responded with a soulless rally in the bronx, featuring indicted wrappers. in the former president version of black outreach feels especially start for me tonight as we mark the fourth anniversary of george floyd murder, a case that i was personally close and involved with. tonight we hear from expert journalist who offers, authors who covered those events and the moments that followed. a busy politicsnation show tonight. here we go. joining me now is congresswoman glenmore, democrat of wisconsin. congresswoman, welcome, thank you for being with us again. president biden just hosted the

president of kenya to talk about haitian relief coming off a campaign tour to promote his to black voters. in contrast, donald trump held an overwhelmingly white rally in the overwhelmingly black and brown bronx here in new york but he made sure to pete feature a pair of indicted black rappers. the most recent poll released earlier this month found that if the election would help today , they say more than 20% of black voters would go for donald trump. the highest level of black support any gop president candidate has enjoyed since the civil rights act packed 16 years ago if in fact he gets that vote. as we mark memorial day, a holiday pioneered by black civil war veterans and freed

slaves. what are your thoughts on all this? >> thanks for having me, always good to be with you. i think about stuff that i have learned from you personally . it is incumbent upon us to remind black people of what is at stake, to remind them, because i get it that people are wary, our economy has recovered tremendously. but, of course, as we all ways say when america gets a cold, black america gets pneumonia. so our recovery is not always as apparent to us as it is to the stock market and people who hold stock and other things like that. but we need to remind people, we talk about criminal justice, for example. and those rappers who are on the stage in the bronx. either way, i've never been to the bronx. i've been to new york and i've got to give it to the bronx, i got to get there. that being said, you know, the

central park five, which you always talk about, president biden's efforts to get the george floyd bill through with republican opposition, with trump's attitude towards black people and those good people on both sides. black people need to know what is at stake. and they know the difference between a joe biden, who is trying to get some parody in the marijuana laws that often inflict our community. even though people use the drug in an equal amounts, it is black people who bear the burden of incarceration more than others. and we, black people see that. muslims, we know are going to have a muslim band and uneven sort of policy towards muslim folks. we know that immigrants are not going to be treated as potential ways to invigorate our economy and bring in more

tax receipts. they're going to continue to be persecuted. so at the end of the day, i don't believe these polls, and especially, rev, if we do our job in side-by-side, making comparisons if you want to talk about a you talk about healthcare and president biden bringing something more black people into healthcare versus somebody who steadily tried to get rid of the aca. no matter what education, what president. >> but let me tell you this, congresswoman. talk about the 2024 race. yesterday, we featured some new polling from pew research center , at least this month, which found that support for abortion rights has only grown more popular since the fall of rome. more than 60% of americans believe abortion should be legal and all or most cases of 4% jump from 2021.

the biden campaign is banking on the abortion issue driving turnout in november. will this be the driving issue for democratic voters over the economy? over gaza? and preventing a second trump term? and for black women? >> the abortion issue is very powerful, and is very powerful to all groups because it basically boils down to personal freedom. this is a country where they say the underpinnings of democracy is personal freedom. this is an issue that really sort of, it had set up for people. and it ought to be presented in that way. it is about reproductive justice. and black people have a stake in that, as well. because the, we are most likely to be effective by pregnancies and not being able to afford to have an abortion to travel, or,

unfortunately, unable to raise a child and provide them with the kind of accommodations that they deserve. in a society under republicans, which cut the child tax credit to the bone. an initiative that took half of all black children out of poverty. they begrudge them fruits and vegetables and the farm bill. begrudged them healthcare and educational opportunities. so i would ask black people to look at that as well. i don't care what you look at, black people are better off under a democratic regime, and certainly joe biden. >> i want to ask you about the supreme court's conservative majority that voted 6-3 to reject the naacp challenge to

south carolina's congressional voting map ahead of november. it was claimed that the map intentionally sorted black voters out of the state's first congressional district. a lower court agreed. but the high court, the majority opinion, said the redistricting just made the seats safer for republicans, which isn't unconstitutional. now, still some legal scholars say the decision makes it easier for other red states to gerrymander along racial lines. what is your take on this, congresswoman? >> i absolutely think, i am not a lawyer, rev. but it seems like the decision was, hey, you know, race doesn't matter and if they are doing it just for privacy purposes that is fine, too. even if it does pack and crack a black district. yes, this

flings the door wide open, as we saw. when they breached the constitutional voting rights act, we saw the very next day, lawsuits flying in the air. so i do think that it is very consequential that we allowed republicans to take over the majority. and they are not even pretending to be blind to justice. they are hanging flags upside down. [ laughter ] they say well -- >> you are being very blatant as to all the people in black america and brown america that you and i deal with every day. and a lot of white america, people that say voting didn't count in 2016, you give us those three seats in the court, it did count. that is what donald trump got in and was able to pick three new supreme court justices that

hillary clinton would have had justices that would be that unfair and unbalanced. before you go, you informed the democratic women lawmakers, just introduced a bill this month that would require a public and federal health insurance plans that offer mental health and substance use services to often been without co-pay to pregnant and postpartum mothers. what else can you tell us about the mental health and mama act, while there is time to do with it? >> you know, reverend al, thank you for asking about this. we know that maternal mortality is worse in the united states than it is in any other so- called capitalist or country. and even worse, that there are

some war zones. when you ask, when you peel behind the data, you see that a lot of women, especially indigenous women, black women are dying. particularly postpartum of drug overdoses and attendant mental health issues. so this is a bill that, without judgment, will not ring people into the criminal justice system, but says that if you offer mental health treatment, you must offer it to pregnant women up to a year postpartum without co-pays and without co- pays being a barrier. to the people getting healthcare. we need to remove the stigma. and whether we are battling someone who is on opioids because they couldn't, didn't get off their opioids after a c- section, or we are trying to intervene in some woman with tobacco and alcohol use while she is pregnant. this is our future workforce, we ought to be doing everything

to give babies a healthy start. and intervention is really important. thanks for asking, rev. >> thank you for being with us tonight, congresswoman gwen moore of wisconsin. now the world promises to be a historic we can donald trump hush money trial, the former president will be back in court on tuesday for closing arguments. then, jury deliberations and at some point, a verdict. joining me now is lonnie davis, he is the former legal adviser to michael cohen and former special counsel to president bill clinton. start, michael cohen, the former personal attorney for the former president, donald trump, and the star witness in these criminal trials, who used to represent, lonnie. and in four days of intense and revealing testimony last week, what are your afflictions on the impact of michael cohen's testimony and what it may have

on the outcome of this case? >> to answer your question. but first, rev, i would like to thank you for your defense of transplantations who need blood tests to be able to detect early rejection. you have been a champion with the great performing artist, a transplant patient, to convince all people and the biden administration to provide medicare for noninvasive blood test. i would like to thank you, part of that. i have to get my thanks into you. >> i am committed to that, okay. >> michael cohen and i have had a long journey together where he came to me and he said i want to tell the truth about what i know about donald trump, about 10 years of my lying and my being ashamed of myself. but what i did for donald trump helped me. i talked to his family and i knew that his family was quite upset with the work he had done for mr. trump and all of the

lying he had done so i said, michael, in front of elijah cummings, my friend from baltimore who is the chairman of the house oversight committee, in february, 2019 point i said, michael, the only way you're going to be believed is to own your lies and admit them on national television under oath before congress. and that is what he did. so the long journey with michael cohen, including being cross-examined by the same kind of prosecutor, same kind of defense attorneys for michael cohen's prior employer, donald trump. cuba suggested to cross- examination and the attorney general, and the judge found him to be credible and truthful. but having said that, let me remind everyone that the testimony and the documents speak for themselves and the testimony from donald trump's adherence and loyalists, david pecker, hope hicks, all testified that the money that donald trump directed michael cohen to give to stormy daniels

, to keep her quiet before the election. the word directed doesn't come for me, doesn't come for michael cohen, comes from federal prosecutors who work for the trump justice department. they found that donald trump directed michael cohen to pay that money right before the election and that it was clinically motivated, that made it a crime. and donald trump did do the time, michael cohen did, even though trump directed him to pay that money. so on that one issue, the crime is established by the documents. >> so would that be the key take away from the entirety of the trial, that was established? is that the take away you take from final arguments? is that the smoking gun? because what i did not see, and i am not a lawyer, but i have dealt with cases for many years

. and you are a lawyer, one of the best in the country, i never saw where they talked about weisselberg, with the notations. did he make, we would clearly correspond with the payoffs they never put a witness on the stand and said that is not what they were. is it not the smoking gun, the jury can't imagine the defense that was never presented. it was costello, they never, more than anybody else, would be contrary to the evidence that the prosecution put up. >> exactly, documents speak for them selves. what is going to happen in the jury room, they don't have to use anything that michael cohen said. they can look at the document that allen weisselberg, the closest person to donald trump, who refused to testify, is doing time because he committed perjury. that document was mathematically forged in $20,000, divided by 12, $35,000 per month, which donald trump,

as a sitting president, wrote out to michael cohen. and he called him reimbursement. all the jury has to do is believe that document and know that they were reimbursements that michael cohen was paid back for what he advanced for the crime of paying off miss daniels before the election. and that is enough for them to convict beyond a reasonable doubt, without relying on michael cohen at all. >> now this is probably the only one of trump's slew of cases to reach a jury before november's presidential election. i want to remind our viewers that trump faces 34 felony counts of ossification of business records, potential punishment range from a fine to a four year sentence in prison. or a combination of fine and prison time. how do you anticipate this will go? the verdict and the sentencing, what, how do you call it? >> the very rare time with you,

not answer your question because i respect the jury's system. if they vote to acquit, it will be an acquittal. they can't get a unanimous verdict, donald trump will lie and call it an exoneration but it is a hung jury. and if they convict i will respect that because i respect the rule of law. mr. trump has made it clear in his own words that he doesn't respect the rule of law. they will only accept an election where he wins and if he loses he will cause some type of an insurrection, as he did on january 6th. so i will respect the jury verdict. but i will say this again too, reverend. despite all the media coverage, which i thought was a little bit breath was about a moment where lord is screened at michael cohen, you live. guess what? that is not evidence, the jury will see evidence from donald trump's friends and from the document by allen weisselberg that proves that donald trump lied, he reimbursed michael cohen for a crime that michael cohen did time for there is plenty of evidence here for the jury to convict beyond a

reasonable doubt. but whatever happens, i will respect the jury's verdict. please let me ask you this, if trump is convicted, 34 counts, all of them felonies, if you get one conviction he is a felon. if he is convicted, he would likely be several weeks or months until he is sentenced as a first-time offender of a nonviolent crime. he may be temporarily released on bond, but he would be a felon. how do you expect the verdict, whatever it may be, to change the precedent of prosecuting a president and how could that verdict impact the upcoming election? >> first of all, i don't favor incarcerating mr. trump at all, as an ex-president. i think that would be too divisive. but i wanted to him to be held accountable, that is why my long journey with michael cohen began. he has been indicted and we will see of the verdict. to answer your question, the prosecutors who worked for donald trump as the southern district of new york federal prosecutors call this crime a

bribing somebody to be silent and not to diebold information that might affect voters in a presidential election. an impairment to our democracy. so if he is convicted, if he is convicted, the idea that what is the crime you hear a lot of republicans say? the crime is what the federal prosecutors working for donald trump said. it is a serious crime against our democracy to pay somebody to withhold information that people need before they vote. that is donald trump's prosecutors who called this a serious crime so if he is convicted, we will quote from his own prosecutors that this is a serious crime that should cause even trump supporters to pause before they vote. >> lonnie davis, thank you for being with us and please come back after the verdict, we will talk about that. and the transplantation, we will talk about. after the break, president biden has helped change the face of the federal judicial

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welcome back to politicsnation. in less than 48 hours, donald trump will be back in a manhattan court for closing arguments in his hush money trial. we will soon find out if trump will become the first former american president to be convicted or acquitted of a criminal offense. here to discuss the possible political implications of trump's verdict is my political panel, rick tyler, political analyst and former spokesman for republican senator, ted cruises presidential campaign and democratic strategist and ceo of all in together. let me start with you. jury deliberations begin this week in what may be trump's only

tile before election day. the wall street journal today says, quote, and acquittal could give trump new politico, momentum and it is possible a hung jury will too,". what could be the political impact of trump's verdict? will trump be able to spend either a conviction or and acquittal into a win this summer, and what should be the biden camps reaction to each scenario, rick? >> thanks for having me on. first, i agree with the journal. i think if he is acquitted or if there is a hung jury, he will turn that into an advantage. you will see as we go along, the great men and women of the jury, which he has already been harassing, would have acquitted him. i think if he is found guilty, i am not sure, unfortunately, if it'll have all that of an effect. the reason is we have grown

accustomed to. so this, none of this is shocking to anybody. so why would they change? i'm not sure there is really a deep political impact. i think i should make a big deal of it. i'm sure that he is getting advice that, because he is a part of the government, that this is not part of his government, this is part of the state government which is the state of new york, that he should talk about the fact that trump first would be the first convicted felon to ever, who ever served as former president of the united states, wants to run again. there is no business running for president because he is unfit to do so. >> lauren, donald trump has yet to announce his running mate in the 2024 election. but that hasn't stopped democrats from starting the alarm of any possible vice presidential candidate trump chooses. the d&c rolled out a slate of billboards this week to attack trump's vp contenders

, as extreme, due to their stances on abortion and other issues. what do you make of the strategy? >> well, it's right, we know that the number one qualification that trump seems to be interested in, in terms of his vp, his absolute loyalty. right? and he didn't have that in his view, from mike pence, who chose to side with the constitution over the enormous political pressure that he was under from trump and his acolytes on january 6th. so he is not going to make that mistake again. i think that is part of what is so scary, that trump is zeroing in on people who yes, obviously represent the farthest extremes, at this point it is hard to think of anyone more extreme than trump himself, who wants to have a dictatorship day one, et cetera. clearly, the main qualification that trump is going to look for are people willing to do his absolute bidding. we know that this is also part of their strategy for the entire administration. that is part of what makes it so disturbing.

we have had, in the first trump administrator we had, some checks on his power. i think he is going to do everything in his power to make sure that doesn't happen if he is elected again. plea donald trump was not well- received at all at the libertarian party convention last night. in washington, d.c. he reached out for their support and was subjected to a drone of booze, take a listen. plea biden with us, you have to combine with us, the libertarian party should nominate trump for president of the united states! whoa! that's nice. that's nice. only if you want to win. only if you want to win. maybe you don't want to win. maybe you don't want to win. thank you, d roy. only do that if you want to win. if you want to lose, don't do that. keep getting your 3% every four

years. >> now trump ended his speech after just 34 minutes, marking one of the shortest campaign speeches to date pick what is your reaction to trump's outreach to libertarians? smart move or risk? >> it would have been a smart move if trump had any ideas what libertarians actually want to hear, which he doesn't. it was very refreshing to see that does not agree with many of their policies, i wish the republican party was as smart as a libertarians in terms of adherence to republicanism, which they are not. trump doesn't have a governing philosophy. he is a populist, he believes in himself and whatever he believes in the moment that is politically expedient. there is no governing philosophy that has been proven by the republican party's throwing away of an entire platform of the resolution and saying that we just agree with whatever

trump says. at least libertarians, in that sense, know what they believe. they know that their beliefs. my point, neither do or conservatives and neither do republicans, meaning republicanism. so good for them. >> lauren, in an interview for a forthcoming book, hillary clinton had some tough words for women and democrats. she spoke to the role of sexism in the 2016 presidential race, and said, quote, women were the voters who abandoned her in the final days because she was not perfect." clinton went on to criticize democrats by saying, quote, even when they held control of congress, democrats will unlock willing to pass legislation codifying abortion rights into federal law,". now, women will play a huge role in this year's elections. what more can biden do to secure their vote? >> yeah, i mean, hillary is

dead right about a log of this, which is the ways in which democrats really took their eye off the ball, were not as committed as they could have been to protecting abortion rights and frankly didn't take seriously the real threat that trump opposed to that. clearly biden understands that abortion is the mobilizing issue for women voters today. women are the majority of the electorate and they are more likely to turnout in presidential elections than any other group of voters. he has to win them. and that is just cold, hard facts. i think biden is doing everything that he thinks he can to do that, what my frustration has been is that they think the biden administration needs to do more in terms of solutions. hillary is right about the federal law, that has been sort of the can kicked down the highway for years. i know that biden is actually going to have the votes to do that, even if he gets a second term. the question becomes, what can he do to guarantee the women voters, who are deeply distressed at the state of america in a post road dobbs

world, that he is going to be there champion and that he has solutions. to me, that is one of the most fundamental -- biden is losing on his look back. every time he talks about the past and tries to tout his a call the smith americans don't seem to buy it. we talked about on morning joe this week. what he needs to do is start talking about the future. that is how obama inspired his diverse coalition. that is what every successful president has done for his second term. biden has got to do that, too. >> rick tyler and lauren leader, thank you both of you for being with us this evening. coming up, this weekend marks the four years since george floyd murder at the hands of minneapolis police. what has changed and what hasn't, in a moment. inner child. what you really need in life is some freakin' torque. what? the dodge hornet r/t... the totally torqued-out crossover.

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welcome back to politicsnation, joining me now on the fourth anniversary of george floyd's murder, the pulitzer plies winning book, his name is george floyd, washington post national political enterprise reporter, robin samuels, and he is the white house bureau chief for the same newspaper, washington post. i will start with you, i had, four years after george

floyd's murder, we watched both of us black men, as thousands of people worldwide demonstrated on his behalf. many of those the movement for black lives, people calling for police reform. and it's was hard for us to believe that this kind of mainstream push for racial equity would last. many, he would go with meat the producer, as i would speak. the funerals i did, we thought, it was hard to be where we are now. but by all accounts, not only has the moment spread it out but we have seen a considered assault on equity and diversity. by conservatives and the threat of more under possible second trump term. what are your thoughts on that? we did get convictions, which we never got all of the

commitments, the corporate world and others, we have not seen any of that materialized. >> that is right, rev. i remember when george floyd was killed, one of the things that you often said, as you were speaking publicly, was how surprised you were by how diverse the movement had become, it was intergenerational, interracial, it was diverse, across party lines. we saw people from all different backgrounds come out and say no more, they were going to commit themselves to more racial justice. i think that sparked some fear in some of the powers that be and that is why we have seen this backlash over the past four years with a number of states pushing to ban things like crt, diversity and equity initiatives and really push back really hard, in part because they fear all of the diversity and all the momentum behind the movement in 2020 and we have seen this major pushback, well organized, well researched pushback in different states.

it has become very difficult for the original movement to sustain itself against that backlash and the election in november is going to have a big say on where the country goes moving forward, whether we are going to continue that backlash or whether the forces that gathered together in 2020 are going to reassert themselves and push for more justice going forward. >> i think what you said was very important because, in history, and i have been out here a while, there has never been movements without backlash, which is why you have to have sustained indignation and you can't waste your energy fighting each other in movements because they are coming after everybody. but robin, i am thinking about the police killings that i have dealt with since george floyd's murder, and this weekend i am thinking about u.s. senator, aaron roger fortson, who a shot and killed earlier this month in florida, by deputy sheriff, who mistakenly showed up at his apartment, opened the door with a licensed firearm pointed downward, according to the family's attorney.

was shot several times, the deputy then called medical assistance, second amendment protections don't appear to have protective gun owners when they were licensed to carry. doesn't matter if you're black, i will add to that, the killing of tyson in canton, ohio. i just did the eulogy the week before last. knee on his back, and he is killed. and he had no weapon. so like george floyd, there is the question of disproportionate response, whether it is six quick bullet or nine minutes of being choked , a knee on somebody's back, what are your thoughts? >> the struggle continues, and it is really interesting, when you see the statistics that show that the number of police killings remain unabated, that disproportionately black people are continuing to be killed at the hands of the police and

higher rates than white americans and it shows that there is a lot of work to be done. it is also true that we had more than 150 municipalities that a past police reform, which was a welcome thing for many people who are in the movement. and now we are seeing this incredible backlash to that, as well, we are seeing some states , some municipalities say maybe we went too far. however, for the families to continue to have these names become hashtags, to less popularity and less recognition than people like george floyd did, it continues to be such a terrifying and heinous thing. >> i think it is important to say, all the movement did not, was not for nothing. 150 municipalities passed laws, happened because of the movement. and the convictions. i have been to so many courts where we never got policeman convicted, the first time a white police man, let alone three were convicted of a

killing of a black man in the history of minnesota. we can also remember, though, the pledges of support for racial equity that came from corporate america after george floyd's murder, when companies committed to billions of dollars of diversity initiatives and investments, but four years later, many of those companies have scaled back from those commitments as conservatives have threatened legal action on diversity issues , particularly since the fall of affirmative action last summer. are you surprised by any of this, toluse? >> it is hard to be surprised, as you said, reverend. the long history of this country includes the periods of entrenchment that somehow happened almost every time after you see a push for civil rights, all the way back to the civil rights area and even before that. it is not surprising, a lot of these institutions are very well entrenched in society and so it makes it very difficult

to change and it makes it very hard to stand out as a corporation or as someone in society saying that you want to do something different when you start to see the backlash, start to see the pushback for not only other people in your orbit for people who have a lot of power, including the supreme court, saying that you can no longer consider race when you are thinking about college admissions and potentially spreading that out beyond colleges into corporate america, when you see state lawmakers and congress members pushing back against diversity, equity, and inclusion and really putting a target on any corporation that might do this. a lot of those corporations that buckle under that pressure, it has been much easier to just sort of move back from the forefront of the racial justice struggle and wait to see how things play out. >> that is why many of us have to keep the pressure on finally, robert, we are at the end of this springs college commencement cycle. a number of our hbcus, like

howard, morgan state, north carolina central, have seen intra-surge, in some cases, into double digits, over the last two years. a surge with bucks at a national decline of college enrollment since the pandemic. according to data from the national student clearinghouse, research said the hbcu presidents have attributed the growth in several factors, including a response to the murder of george floyd, had a desire for black students to feel safe on campus after the trump era. robert, what do you think? >> well i think students are looking out for themselves in a very confusing world. and you are seeing these double-digit increases at several colleges, hbcus, these, also these higher graduation rates, which show an intent about it. now you have a generation that is graduating, now have begun

college during the pandemic, are graduating within this world, and their eyes are fixed towards justice and it is something that i think those who want equity in this country can look forward to, hopefully that you have students who are buffered by all the money and all the corporate sponsors to hbcus to be able to help facilitate some of the change that is so needed in this country. >> robert and toluse, co- authors of his name is george floyd, and we should never, ever stop bringing that back to the public's attention. thank you both for being with us, thank you for the book. up next, my final thoughts, stay with us. the totally torqued-out crossover. (♪♪)

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