thank you to everyone who served. we have a very busy week ahead of us because closing arguments in the criminal trial are tomorrow. that means special coverage right here on msnbc. i'll be joining rachel maddow and the rest of the team for two hour special beginning at 8:00 p.m. eastern. all of the host will be at the big table, all of your legal analyst will be there to help make sense of it all. it will be a start date and we hope to see you all there. for now, stay right where you are a special dish and of the transom with katie phang starts right now. how are you doing? >> i am looking forward seeing you at the trial tomorrow. we will see how the closing arguments go. we appreciate it. we met look forward to you expanding it to all of us. as jen just said, donald trump will be back in court tomorrow morning for closing arguments in his new york election interference trial. he has been charged with 34 felony counts of falsifying business records to hide a hush money payment made to stormy daniels before the 2016

election for her alleged sexual encounter with donald trump. nbc news reports a dozen members of the public have lined up and are continuing to do so even in the rain to get a seat for the historic moment. closing arguments will be both the prosecution and the defense final chance to weave the evidence into the narrative of their case. in new york, the defense goes first. arguing that the prosecution has failed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that john -- donald trump committed a crime with the intent to influence the 2016 election then the prosecution will recap its case. tying together testimony from is 20 witnesses and the evidence, including documents with handwritten notes accounting for just how the hush money payment was to be reimbursed to michael cohen, who testified that he did it at the direction of and for the benefit of donald trump.

closing arguments are expected to take up most, if not the entire day tomorrow. which will be followed by the judge giving the jury instructions which is expected to last about an hour. in the donald trump's fate will be in the hands of the jury, which could reach a verdict at any point after that, potentially even as early as this week. trump is already predictably attacking the jury instructions as well as the judge on social media. meanwhile, there is a development in florida in the classified documents case against trump and special counsel jack smith is now asking trump appointed judge aileen cannon to modify trump's conditions of release in the classified documents case after he told the outrageous and very dangerous lie about a standard deadly force protocol that was included in the search warrant for the fbi search of mar-a- lago. which took place while trump was 1100 miles away in new jersey. in a new filing jack smith

urges judge cannon to forbid donald trump from making statements that post a, quote, significant imminent and foreseeable danger to law enforcement involved in the case. adding, quote, those dissected and inflammatory assertions, irresponsibly put a target on the backs of the fbi agents involved in the case. as trump well knows. as legal correspondent lisa rubin points out, jack smith is upping the ante with this filing because a defendant violates a condition of his release date of the consequences can include the immediate issuance of a warrant for the defendant's arrest, a revocation of release, and order of detention. as well as a prosecution for contempt. perhaps most importantly, if judge cannon denies the motion it is eminently appealable to the 11th circuit under federal statute. joining us now to get a starter, joyce vance, and a

professor at the university of alabama school of law. she is also the cohost of the podcast sisters in law and legal analyst and a senior fellow at the brennan center for justice at nyu law. were joined by bradley moss, an attorney who represents people in the intelligence community. my thanks to both of you to get started for this special edition of "the last word." let us focus on the new york trial. we have the closing arguments tomorrow, as i stated the defense goes first and then the prosecution. what are the key things you're looking forward to hearing tomorrow during the closing? >> it will be the sort of counterbalance between truth beyond a reasonable doubt on the prosecution side and the defense poking holes wherever they can. it is a little bit like playing soccer. i look to think about this as a prosecutor and young soccer mom. you have to defend and cannot yet let a single ball get

through. for the defense, you don't care if it is pretty or clean anything you can do that these are the defenses of the other side is a win for you. if there is any room for reasonable doubt and the jury's mine with a deliberate, it is all over. the instructions will tell them that they cannot render a verdict of guilty unless they are convinced the prosecution has given them proof beyond a reasonable doubt on all elements of the crime. that is where the divide is there. >> they will be denied. an acquittal meeting they did not meet the burden but i think they have morse done -- sufficiently done so. i have a theory, the jury has been out work a week. they have had their time to go back to their lives and go back to their jobs. and they go back to closing tomorrow. how quickly do you think we could see a verdict in this

case? >> part of it will depend on where the verdict comes down but if you are trump, you are hoping for at least some time. partially what you're hoping for is a hung jury. i don't think he expects to get an acquittal in this case. is aiming for a hung jury. the longer it drags out and takes, the more likely it is that there are one or two holdouts that are preventing a unanimous decision and getting a guilty verdict. we will look and see how quickly they come back. i don't expect it to be a matter of three hours. i expected to be at least a full day of deliberations for a lot of testimony and evidence that was presented by the prosecution that they have to go through. the biggest thing in joystick this up a bit, do they buy the credibility of the testimony and the evidence that was presented by the prosecution? is it enough, in their minds to connect it to donald trump? >> joyce, before we pivot, i

wanted to bring up something that trump had posted last night. he was attacking judge trumps and the jury instruction. he said merchan had to come up with three options for the jury to come up with to be unanimous but and then he went on to say nonsense that i will not read out loud. joyce, talk about that. the law in new york does not require that the jury render a unanimous verdict on the secondary offense, the intent to commit or steal another crime . the jury can only, beyond a reasonable doubt, come to a conclusion as to whether or not there was a falsification with the intent. the secondary crime does not have to be proven without a reasonable doubt, correct? >> i think this is really confusing to nonlawyers. we all know from watching legal shows on tv that jury verdicts in criminal cases have to be unanimous. this one desperate there has to be a unanimous finding of guilt. what we are talking about here is what elements of the crime

are. and the elements of the crime involved donald trump creating or causing to be created false business records and doing it with the appropriate state of mind. with the intent to commit organs via another crime. where there doesn't have to be anonymity among the members of the jury is on what that other crime is or how it was committed. that is well-established in new york law. that is not anything that the judge has done or anything that is startling to new york practitioners. this is a charge that this district attorney's office brings and the law is a path that has been well trod. nothing new or exceptional going on. new in other words trump was lying in his post about what the law is. let us switch to mar-a-lago. bradley, i'm happy that you're here but that was an important one to modify trump bond conditions. we all know it is on the idea but trump has been lying.

a standard protocol that was included in every search warrant that is done and executed by the fbi. i have a very pointed question to you. assuming judge cannon does not even pick up the motion, let alone she denied that in the end, what is the recourse for jack smith? >> this was sort of teed up in your intro with those tweets. jack smith will have two options. one, if judge cannon sits on this he could go over her head and have the 11th circuit interbeing because this is a condition of release even if she does roll and denies it, again, he can immediately appeal that under the federal statute to the 11th circuit. i do not expect to sit around on this one. i think she will move decently in terms of a timeframe for the question, how long does she take to actually rule on it and how long can jack smith wait?

this is one of those rare opportunities in the case to potentially dangle going over her head. the last time with the jury instructions and she backed offered will she do something here to give them an opportunity to take her down and have a removed? i don't know. >> to bradley's point, there is this game of chicken. i say game loosely. there is this chicken that is going on between the government and dutch cat in. -- judge cannon. this is not the first time they have slapped judge cannon for making errors in the law. is there a time in which it becomes a point where smith has to seek recusal of judge cannon, especially if the lives of law enforcement are at risk? >> i don't think he has to seek recusal. i think brad is dead on point. what happens here, two options but if she denies the motion by statute, the government is entitled to appeal a denial of

a motion to alter the conditions of bond. they can go to atlanta immediately and out the 11th circuit to expedite the appeal because the risk to the lives of law enforcement that involve misconduct. by the same token, if judge cannon delays, the path is not as clear. they could ask for -- what that is is it simple really a writ that says that a judge that has failed to do something that they are obligated to do. to decide this motion. it would not be compelling the nature of the decision, it would just be in order that we say, you must see this motion. you must hold a hearing but the answer to your question about recusal is this, the 11th circuit has in the past, when they have the right that a judge has too much skin in the game, to no longer be fair. they have recused judges in that situation and asked the chief judge or another judge and that district to reassign the case. what we will find out here, jack smith is ready to take a

blowtorch to the way this judge is handling the case. the question of whether the 11th circuit will have the effort tight to make her do the right thing and to replace her, if necessary. >> i think it is absurd that we talk about recusal on the ready as often as we do in this case. bradley, my last question goes to gilbert in this filing on page five, i thought this was important paragraph the fact that fbi executed the warrant as planned on august 8, 2022. and it goes on to talk about all of the precautions that all of the preparations that were done. none of this was sprung as a surprise on the united states secret service. donald trump new. he knew when they were going to come and going to do. according to the following, the secret service facilitated entry on the premises for the fbi. considering what is at stake here, the fact that they are actual target on the back of law enforcement, is this something that judge cannon can

respond to the fact that? we have not had a scheduling order or entering by cannon think that trump was responsible for what was fired -- filed by trump smith. we went there some sort of order setting a deadline, probably a rather quick one with the lawyers responding. she can resolve this. i think that paragraph was a very nessus very public response from the justice department, from jack smith, outlining how unequivocally false and complete garbage the original filing by trump's lawyers was and how they pair raised and selectively quoted force policy and how trump advocates in various aspects of media that this was a means of trying to get trump killed and get his family killed. complete and utter garbage. that explanation needed to be there on the public document. >> i love how they say the search warrant was a raid for

mar-a-lago. interview so that during that new york trial when it was michael cohen, it was not a raid. it was just a search warrant. my thanks you for getting us started. coming up, with the end of the criminal trial and the unofficial start of the summer, the biden presidential campaign is kicking into high gear with helps from some high-profile allies. they are making sure voters understand the stakes of apostle's second trump term. that is next.

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we are curtailing to follow breaking news out of gaza. gaza help the issues say that at least 45 people were killed in the city of rafah near the egyptian border after an israeli airstrike set fire to a camp and displace policies were sheltering print world leaders have expressed outrage at the latest killing of civilians. the national security council issued a new statement this afternoon for more, let us go to hollywood -- and rafah. >> reporter: a spokesperson reacted to the strike earlier today in a statement saying that the white house is working with the idf and partners on the ground and rafah to assess more about what happens before the strike the said the thing

coming out of rafah is devastating and heartbreaking but they also defended israel's right to go after hamas. that was the reason behind the strike. the question for the white house now is whether israel will face repercussions or consequences but this has really been the president's biggest fear for months now but you will remember white house of initials have tried to convince their israeli counterparts again starting any sort of rafah operation to defeat hamas. thing it was not required to be able to defeat hamas. after prime minister netanyahu vowed to continue with that anyway, the white house set a redline. the white house saying the u.s. would not support any ground operation in rafah without a plan to protect civilians and palestinians sheltering there. saying that israel went forward with that invasion without providing the plans that the u.s. would reconsider future military support to israel.

white house officials say they have not been those plans. after we have seen the ground invasion of rafah beginning several weeks ago, we did see the president pause one weapon shipment from the u.s. to israel. the latest strike designated a safe zone by israel raising questions of whether there will be more problems in the future with weapons deliveries as well as questions on how this potentially impacts the ongoing talks. health officials saying there was progress made in those talks over the weekend in europe between the cia director and israeli and qatari officials. they are concerned that this latest strike could impact those talks, katie. >> allie raffa, thank you so much for joining us. president biden mark wiley and arlington national cemetery by honoring those killed while defending democracy. >> freedom has never been guaranteed.

every generation has to earn it. i for it. defendant in a battle between autocracy and democracy. between the greed of a few and the rights of many. it matters. our democracy is more than just a government. it is the very soul of america. >> before his annual memorial day address, biden began the day hosting a brick step the white house for veterans, gold star families and military leadership for before laying a wreath at the tomb of the unknown shoulder -- soldier. in another flip between trump and donald trump. trump again his memorial day by posting a rant on his social media platform. it began with, quote, having oriole day to all including the human skull. trump went on to attack the judges who presided over his defamation civil prod -- civil fraud and current cases. e. jean carroll was also in the

message despite threats of a possible third defamation case against him. while present biden delivered the commencement speech to cadets at the u.s. military academy at west point this weekend, donald trump was loudly booed and heckled during the national convention. >> the libertarian party should nominate trump for president of the united date. that is nice. that is nice. only if you want to win. only if you want to win. maybe you don't want to win. >> some thin skin there. trump bragged about helping to . the supreme court majority that overturned roe v. wade that includes justice tammy alito. carried by some members of the mob attacked the u.s. capitol on january 6th. and justice clarence thomas who said that he wants the court to

overturn the law of legalizing birth control and same-sex marriage and to restore the lot that would once again from the life being gay. joining us now is the president of the campaign. the split screen between present biden and donald trump is very important going into november. i wanted to highlight something that the hrc has done, a $50 million campaign to be able to -- even actually have the manpower based in the states to advance the biden campaign. talk more and let our viewers know why it makes sense to be able to invest like that in the biden campaign? >> you said it. the choices in front of us could not be more clear. you are looking at joe biden/kamala harris for the most pro-equality administration in history. they signed the risk for marriage act into law. the administration that put forward rolls of historic levels with harassment and

discrimination for lgbtq+ people from schools to workplaces to healthcare. the administration that has more pro-equality people all up and through the building but any other before. donald trump, someone who wants to be a tater and wants to roll back all the progress we have made. someone who has said out loud that the people marching in charlotte bill, the -- this is not about two candidates. two different principles of rights for people that look like me. this election matters. the good news is, we are not without hope and not without power. there are 75 million voters across the country. people who prioritize lgbtq+ issues when deciding who to vote for. those are the people we will talk to and turning out this year and making sure that they decide our future. >> kelley, let us go down a little bit the 75 million was

an amazing number that i read when i was preparing to eat to you. of that number, the quality voters, 62% are younger than 40. we have 50% that are nonwhite and 70% that are women. we don't want to count the chickens or they hatch. talk to us about how the messaging works. is there some uniformity to how it is rolled out? the supplies you make different strokes for different folks. something more important than others. but equality for all is the overriding importance. these are voters that are not just lgbtq+ people but allies as well. there is also nifty million of these voters are black voters. we have to make sure that people know what is at take this year. when we talk to them and the difference between these two candidates, overwhelmingly, they decide their but like has to be joe biden/kamala harris. we are not just talking about

the top of the ticket. we are talking about the senate races in their area for the united states house races for the state legislative races, the school board races that are happening. at the end of the day, the attacks are happening at all levels. we have to put pro-equality champions in office up and down the ticket to make sure we are not protecting the rights that we have but we are advancing towards more progress. >> your point is an important one. it is not just lgbtq+ voters. there is voters that are in the minority for example the black voters that you spoke about talk about the fact we saw the trump rally in the bronx on thursday. which reportedly was to show that there is some type of support provided by the hispanic and black communities for trump. trump decides he wants to lean into incredibly racist tropes about black people as if they are supposed to will him over to the side. >> quite frankly, it is exhausting that he put up the rally on the way to his court trial. what i am sure is that he's not

actually trying to win black and brown voters, he's trying to give us reasons to stay home. we are not expecting the trash she's putting in front of us but we have already seen him. we don't have to imagine what a second trump presidency would mean for women, and minorities. don't look any further than the supreme court. we have to do right now is talk to people. one thing that we know for sure is more so that any candidate or party, it is organization. it is issues and conversations one on one that are changing people's mines and getting them to turn out i want to say this to anyone that is watching and feeling afraid, they have to count all of our vote two, you are not without power. talk to your neighbors about what is it take. share your story about why voting matters. that is the single most powerful thing for folks to actually make sure that they are turning out, showing up and showing out.

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relationships in the fast- growing continent in the world. at the arrival sermon on the south lawn, president biden taught the how he had witnessed the evolving partnership between the united states and kenya. >> we are united with the same democratic values. i saw this during my first trip to kenya as a young senator in the height of the cold war. and watch our government stand as one to rally against communism. i sought when i return years later as vice president and spoke to students committed to upholding the principles of transparency, justice and accountability that lie at the heart of our democracy. i see it every day as president as our two proud democracies continue to draw from the power of the people and the strength of our diversity to write the next chapter in our partnership. together, the united dates and

kenya are working to deliver on the challenges that matter most to our people's lies. health, security, economic security, cyber security, and climate security. let me close with this, we stand and inflection point in history. where the decisions we make now will determine the course of our future for decades to come. today, i am an optimistic and hopeful as i was those years ago. when they raise the new flag high in the midnight sky. because kenya and the united states stand together and are committed to each other. committed to our people and committed to building a better world. one of greater opportunity, dignity, security and liberty. for all americans and all kenyans. >> i want to thank president biden for extending an invitation to me to have the

state visit. a sign of friendship and partnership and collaborations between two countries that share common values. values of freedom, democracy, rule of law, quality and inclusivity. we are very proud. and today, as we celebrate our past, we are optimistic about our future. >> it was attended by several notable guests including former president barack obama, whose father was from kenya. the event launches the 60th anniversary of u.s./kenyan diplomatic relations and is the first date dinner for an african leader in 16 years. it has been even longer since an african leader has addressed a joint session of congress. the best time was nearly 20

years ago in 2006. when liberian president spoke with or both chambers. house democrats have criticized mike johnson are turning down their request to give the kenyan president this honor. democratic members that a, foreign adversaries like china, russia and iran are working tirelessly to subvert america's alliances particularly in africa. failing to offer the same invitation to the president translate five with sending the message that african partnership are less valued by congress. no one is working harder than russian president vladimir putin to disrupt the relationship with the west a recent report from the raw united services has think tanks detailing how the wagner group in africa is working to consolidate and ask van moscow's strategic relationship across the continent. through geopolitical

protections, in exchange for lucrative concessions. kenya is also helping the united states with the gang violence that has overwhelmed the government inhaler. kenya has agreed to beat him multinational peace force in that country just 600 miles south of the united dates. with the first troops expected to arrive there in three weeks. joining is now is barbara lee of california. it is an honor to have you. let us talk about how important it was for president biden to show not only the honor to ruto but to talk about how the strategic alliances between the united states and kenya are actually going to run those moves by iran, russia and china. >> thank you so much for covering this, katie. first of all, let me just say i am deep we grateful -- deeply grateful that the president and

they recognize the importance of africa as a continent, specifically kenyan. i was privileged to be at the state dinner and at the lunch the next day and listen to president grade and the president and the secretary is date talk about this alliance. not only for counterterrorism but our own master security. also to develop these partnerships. we have historic tied to the continent of africa. millions of african americans and the united dates who are are natural partners. also we have reliance is as relates to trade, government and healthcare. to benefit both continent and countries. i was very pleased that the vice president and are administration understands this. i hope it shows some successes

and follow-up to the discussions that we are having. >> another important component of biden having an hosting president ruto from kenya is the fact there is more than $1 million in startup intech and commerce companies that have invested in kenya. talk to us about why it is important for the united states in terms of the development of the relationship financially. how that benefits us as well by maintaining this relationship with kenya? >> my district is right next to silicon valley. a district which includes many individuals that want to do business in kenya. this benefits the united states, california, my district. it benefits the people of our own country. what we are doing is investing in technology. the average a's

-- the average age is 19 years old. these partnerships lead to jobs for kenyans. as well as for americans. this is an extremely important investment i am very disappointed that the speaker did not invite the president to speak to the joint session of conference. this congress alone, we have the president of israel. we have had the prime minister of japan. and the people of kenya deserve that respect. it has been since 2006. i think that was a missed opportunity. i want to thank all of the members of congress who signed my letter. gregory meeks of the foreign affairs committee wrote a letter with myself. to tell the speaker this was an important moment that we should not miss

>> i apologize if i interrupted. what was the excuse given by mike johnson? >> what we were told was that when he said that it was a scheduling issue. the maga extremist republicans always find time to do nothing with the bill that they bring forward. which really don't do much to address the issues and aspirations and the lives of americans with people throughout the world. we have world leaders who come to speak to a joint session of congress. that was outrageous. especially from country like kenya. barbara lee, thank you so much for being here and your insight on this topic. >> thank you so much for covering this. coming up, russia is

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dropping around 3000 bombs on his nation's sovereign territory every month. on saturday, russian strikes hit us shopping center in corky. it was a civilian target. the attack killed at these 18 people. local officials confirm that today. multiple reports that a 12-year- old girl was among the dead dozens of people were injured in a brutal assault and yesterday president zelenskyy renewed -- released a new video in english. standing inside what remains of ukrainian publishing house that was destroyed by russian bombs he talks of the constant attacks from putin that people in seven are facing and asked the world to continue helping ukraine in this illegal war >> we don't know who we are dealing with. russia is run by men who want to make it the norm, destroying

cities and villages. dividing people and a racing national borders the war. there is no nation that can stop such a war alone. more engagement is needed. i am now in kharkiv, a city in eastern ukraine. unfortunate, very close to the border of russia. what does it mean for kharkiv? of third year of constant terror. many people in this city and every night and every day, russian armies shelling the city, mostly with s-300 missiles . just like all other russian strikes on hundreds of our cities and villages. some of them are now burned to ashes.

they are burned out. the most horrible consequence of war. war that we did not want in ukraine. we have not provoked and in which ukraine is the ending itself from russian attempts to seize our resources and territories and destroy our national identity. >> in the real president zelenskyy asked president biden and president xi jinping of china to join delegations from dozens of other nations at a peace summit in switzerland next month. it is summit in switzerland net month. it's the kind of invitation president zelenskyy knows he could never make if donald trump was allowed back in the office. trump was impeached for trying to extort ukraine to go after joe biden. and last week, trump took the unprecedented move to insert himself, a presidential candidate with a professed adoration of vladimir putin, into the situation involved evan

gershkovich who is held in a russian prison. trump claims he and he alone can convince his favorite autocrat to release the jailed journalist. posting, quote, vladimir putin, president of russia, will do that for me, but not for anyone else. and we will be paying nothing. what's the quid pro quo for that? joining us now is michael mcfaul, who served as a u.s. ambassador to russia from 2012 to 2014. he's also an msnbc international affairs analyst. i'm grateful for you to be here. i want to start with what trump posted. the idea that trump is saying that he and he alone has the keys to the cell literally to get an american home from russia. and yet, he's not doing it right now. he has the power and the ability to do it, so he's using evan's life as a pawn. talk a little bit about why, a, putin would never agree to this,

and b, why it's suddenly okay for trump to decide to use that as some type of power play. >> first, you're absolutely right. if he has that power, he should use it now. he could call his friend vladimir and say let evan out and show to the world he's got this close personal relationship with putin that he's always bragging about, that he's always claiming would be in america's national interests. he should do that now. there's no reason to wait until january. should he win the presidential election. but second, it won't happen because he does not have that kind of power and influence over vladimir putin. despite what he brags about, claiming he can do. think about it, he was president for four years. he met with mr. putin, they had a summit in helsinki. they had meetings from time to time. but try to think about what concrete national security interests were achieved for the united states of america because

of that close personal relationship. i literally can't think of a single thing. >> the other thing that i want to talk about is the fact that russia has launched a multi-front invasion of ukraine. the baltic states have actually said that if russia makes some type of significant breakthrough in terms of that multi-front invasion, that they're actually contemplating sending troops into ukraine to aid ukraine without waiting for nato to give them the green light. there's also an issue, ambassador, about the fact the united states and other countries have said that their weapons cannot be used to actually be entering into russian territory, but aren't we at the point now where a lot of this is just conversation and it's time for people to actually take action to help the ukrainians? >> yes. there is a lot of anxiety in ukraine. i talk to ukrainians every day. there's a lot of anxiety in the region, as you just rightly noted. i was in lithuania a few month ago and there's extreme anxiety

that if putin succeeds in ukraine, he will try to threaten the states of nato, especially if mr. trump was president, to test to see if we will stand by our allies. i don't think it would be prudent for nato countries to send soldiers to ukraine. i do think, however, it is extremely prudent and long overdue for the biden administration and the rest of the nato allies to give president zelenskyy a license to use the weapons that we have transferred to him to defend ukraine. especially in kharkiv, you have been showing in your show already. kharkiv is right on the border of russia. russians are shooting into kharkiv from russian territory, and the ukrainians cannot fire back. they should have the right to self defense. that's a concept embedded in the united nations charter. it's a pretty american idea, too. the right to self defense. i think the time is now, because if we let vladimir putin succeed

around kharkiv, that is the beginning of threatening our nato allies in the neighborhood there. >> and that's really the important message, right? i think people lose sight sometimes in terms of why it's so important for the united states to aid ukraine. it's not just ukraine, it's the other countries that are not only in europe but frankly the rest of the world, if putin remains unchecked, and so do you think that meeting in switzerland that you're actually going to see somebody like biden and xi jinping show up for something like that? >> well, your first point could not be stressed more. there's somehow this idea that putin just wants a little bit of territory and then he's going to relax. there's no reason to believe that. he didn't stop in 2008 after invading georgia. he didn't stop after 2014 when he annexed crimea as part of ukraine. there's no reason he will stop unless he is stopped on the battlefield. and it is in america's national

interest to allow the ukrainians to stop him in ukraine so that we are not dragged into a war when we have to defend our allies in nato. so nothing could be more important in terms of our national interests. with respect to the peace conference, i hope that all national leaders will go. i'm not optimistic that xi jinping will show up or even president biden, but i think it's an important meeting because it will demonstrate that zelenskyy is serious about peace, putin so far is not. >> we'll have to wait and see. ambassador michael mcfaul, thank you for being here. much more still ahead in the next hour, including members of the public, they're already lining up outside the criminal courthouse in manhattan where closing arguments will begin tomorrow morning in donald trump's first criminal trial. and the supreme court continues to help donald trump by not issuing a decision on whether he is immune from prosecution for any and all crimes he may have

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welcome back. i'm katie phang. we have a lot of news to get to on this memorial day. including the case of the first criminal trial against a former president, that will finally be in the hands of the jury this week. what could potentially be the final week of donald trump's new york election interference trial will resume tomorrow at 9:30 a.m., when both sides will present their closing arguments to the jury. the prosecution will recap how in the aftermath of the "access hollywood" tape, donald trump used a catch and kill scheme to prevent other damaging stories from emerging ahead of the 2016 election, including that of stormy daniels. and they'll use documents and

witness testimony to corroborate how her hush money payment was reimbursed to michael cohen, who testified that he made that payment that donald trump's direction. and for his benefit. the defense will also attempt to undermine the credibility of key witnesses like michael cohen. arguing the prosecution has failed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that donald trump committed the crime of falsifying business records to influence the 2016 election. judge merchan is then expected to read jury instructions to the 12 new yorkers who will decide whether or not to convict donald trump. trump's new york election interference trial may be the only one of his four criminal indictments to actually go to trial before the november election. what should have been donald trump's first criminal trial, the federal election interference case in d.c., has been indefinitely delayed while we wait for the supreme court to consider whether donald trump has immunity from prosecution for his attempts to steal the 2020 presidential election. it's been over a month since the supreme court heard those oral

arguments. and yet, still, we have no decision. the supreme court essentially helping donald trump delay accountability for his actions leading up to january 6th. while trump makes promises like this one. >> it will be my great honor to pardon the peaceful january 6th protesters or as i often call them, the hostages. they're hostages. there has never been a group of people treated so harshly or unfairly in our country's history. this abuse will be rectified and it will be rectified very quickly. >> that's donald trump promises to pardon rioters who assaulted police officers on january 6th. like jesse rumson, who was convicted on friday. trump appointed judge in his case called some of the arguments from the defense, quote, absurd, as ryan riley reports for nbc news saying the testimony was impossible to reconcile with the evidence in

the case. judge said his conduct at the capitol was no accident. but what's interesting about that statement is that so far, the january 6th rioters at the capitol have been treated more harshly than donald trump. the man who called them to go there that day. if not for donald trump, january 6th would not have happened. and now, because of the united states supreme court, donald trump may not see the accountability that over 1,000 people who were called to do his bidding have already faced. joining us now is glenn kirschner, a former federal prosecutor, msnbc legal analyst and host of the podcast, justice matters. and ryan riley, justice reporter for nbc news and author of sedition hunters, how january 6th broke the justice system. my thanks to the both of you. to get us started in the 7:00 hour. glenn, i want to start with you. donald trump, right as rain, always posts crazy stuff. at 6:20 p.m., he posts the following.

why is the corrupt government allowed to make the final argument in the case against me? why can't the defense go last? big advantage, very unfair. blah blah. so glenn, it's in new york. it's how it goes. the defense goes first, and then the prosecution goes last. why is it so difficult for the truth to be able to come out when it comes to this stuff? >> yeah, first of all, as you said, in jurisdictions all around the country, in criminal prosecutions, because the prosecutors have the burden of proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, the highest evidentiary burden known to criminal law, the sequence of closing arguments is prosecutors go first, then the defense gives its closing argument, and then again, because the prosecutors have the burden of proof, they get a rebuttal argument. they get to rebutt the arguments made by the defense. donald trump knows this. if he didn't know it, his lawyers told him.

this is gaslighting. this is donald trump continuing to try to burn it all down. try to destroy the legitimacy of the institutions of government. why? because the institutions of government better late than never are trying to hold donald trump accountable for just some of his crimes. it's the same reason he rails against and endangers with his violence inducing rhetoric, his speeches and his posts, the witnesses, the jurors, the judges, the prosecutors, the fbi agents, most recently. it is because all of these folks are involved in the endeavor of trying to hold him accountable for his crimes so he will lie about and gaslight everything to try to undermine the legitimacy of the coming guilty verdict, and katie, based on the evidence that we saw reported out, coming out of that new york courtroom, if we don't have a mole on the

jury, and i have a feeling judge merchan and the prosecutors were pretty good and careful in the jury selection process to make sure nobody was trying to sneak on the jury with nefarious intent, i have a feeling you're going to see guilty verdicts returned very shortly. >> ryan, let's talk about jesse rumson, the sedition panda. he actually was on video storming the united states capitol. and he went to a bench trial, not a jury trial, but the judge was a trump appointed judge who has been presiding over this jibs rioter cases. get our viewers up to speed on how the sedition panda, which is absurd that we keep on saying that, his case was different than the other ones that have been prosecuted by the government for obstruction of official proceeding. >> so, because this kaz was before judge nichols who haas tossed aside this obstruction under official proceeding and it led to the supreme court, he

didn't have to go on that charge. he was convicted in a bench trial of everything else. even with a judge who is generally very sympathetic to january 6th clients, he was convicted across the board. what was really fascinating here is you had this law enforcement official who he assaulted that day, who is a lifelong republican. he talked about responding to the january 6th attack, and he had people in his own life who wanted to distance themselves from him because he served on january 6th because there's such this general idea on the right and in conservative circles that there's this overreach on january 6th, or perhaps what happened on january 6th was great and the election in their minds was really stolen from donald trump, and joe biden is an illegitimate president. so it was really remarkable to see his testimony and him talking about, no, this is crazy what happened that day. he had never -- he had worked riots before in his life. he had done them at the university of maryland, for example, during some of their after a game, they won or lost,

he would be part of the response there. and he was part of the freddie gray riots in baltimore as well. he said he never saw a crowd like in this instance actually charge the police line over and over again. he said, sometimes other situations there would be rocked thrown from afar from someone going away, but it was remarkable on january 6th because you had this mob that was so convinced this was the end of the country as they knew it, that they continued to charge the line over and over again. really remarkable to hear his testimony. >> glenn, ryan brings up the point that this judge threw out the obstruction of an official proceeding count, and that's made its way to the supreme court and oral arguments were heard in front of scotus about a month and some change ago on that particular decision. that obstruction of official proceeding charge is at play for donald trump in his d.c. election interference case. so talk about why it's so important for there to be expediency coming from scotus not only on the criminal immunity, but even a ruling on whether or not the obstruction of official proceeding charge

can survive how it's being used by the doj so far. >> yeah, katie, as we await the supreme court's ruling on the what i consider to be ridiculous absolute presidential immunity issue, we also have the secondary concern, because the last thing prosecutors want to do is move forward in a case where one or more charges that they have included in the indictment is sort of open for debate as to whether it is a lawful charge. you know, there's, i think, the better evidence and the better arguments and the better appellate laws, of course, it's a viable charge. but you can't really have that hanging in the balance when you're proceeding to trial against a former president of the united states for trying to unlawfully retain power, overthrow a presidential election. so yes, that's another issue that we need resolved by the supreme court. of course, you know, with the

thomases and alitos sitting on the supreme court and refusing to remove themselves due to their obvious conflict, i mean, justice alito has now flown not one but two flags indicating he's throwing in his lot with the insurrection. there are perhaps even bigger problems that the american people have to contend with than the timing of any of the decisions the supreme court might hand down. >> glenn and ryan, my thanks to both of you for getting us started. thank you for being here. and coming up, vice president harris says one in three women of reproductive age in america live in a state with a trump abortion ban. we have heard in the horrific stories that have and continue to come out since the dobbs decision that extreme abortion bans are endangering and traumatizing women by denying them the health care that they need. that's next.

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this is how black women are dying. that's what our next guest, caitlin joshua, told reporters before louisiana's republican governor jeff landry signed into law a bill that adds mifepristone to medications commonly used to end a pregnancy to the state's list of controlled dangerous substances. both drugs are often used during miscarriages. and in 2022, caitlin joshua, a

louisiana mother, was turned away from two emergency rooms and denied treatment after experiencing a miscarriage because louisiana had enacted a near total abortion ban following the supreme court's decision to overturn roe v. wade. caitlin joshua is now campaigning on behalf of president biden to remind people across the country that donald trump is responsible for the attacks on reproductive rights. since the fall of roe, trump has taken credit for ending the constitutional right to an abortion, and the republican appointed supreme court justices don't want to stop there. it is concurring opinion to the court's decision to overturn roe, justice thomas wrote, in future cases we should reconsider all of this court's substantive due process precedences, including griswold, that's griswold v. connecticut, a 1965 supreme court decision that protects the rights of married couples to use contraceptives. in april, donald trump thanked the justices who overturned the

individuals' freedom to make their own health care decisions. >> i want to thank the six justices, chief justice john roberts, clarence thomas, samuel alito, brett kavanaugh, amy coney barrett, and neil gorsuch, incredible people, for having the courage to allow this long term hard fought battle to finally end. >> joining us now is caitlin joshua. she was turned away from two emergency rooms while experiencing a miscarriage in louisiana in 2022. and she was denied treatment because of that state's abortion ban. caitlin, when i read your story, i was struck by how much fear and pain that you went through to be able to just get through an experience that if medical providers felt comfortable because they felt like they weren't going to be criminally prosecuted for helping you and giving you the medical care you

needed, you would have been okay. i had a miscarriage. i was hemorrhaging. they gave me a dnc. that was an option for you if it had been somewhere other than louisiana. talk about why it's so important for people to understand that you, me, and countless others, that this is health care, that this is something that's really important so that you don't have to go through this again. >> absolutely. thank you for having me tonight. i think the issue we're talking about today is so extremely important. it's important for women across the country to understand that while you may think you're in a safe state or a safe place or maybe you're like me and live under an abortion ban, but all that to say it is very important for us to get to the polls this fall and fight for these issues on a federal level because our states are not doing the work to protect us as women in child bearing years. it's extremely important for folks to understand that i myself do not want anybody else to experience what i experienced as a woman living in south louisiana. under an abortion ban, which is

certainly made an impact on our maternal health care rates. we have seen studies come out talking about how 1 in 3 women in the south are looking at potentially losing their life during child birth, postpartum period, or just during -- excuse me, during child birth. postpartum period, or just in the child bearing years. am i able to start that over, i'm sorry. >> you said something that really was -- you said folks need answers, not prayers. that's exactly what i was looking for in that moment. you had to go from an e.r. to another e.r. you're bleeding, running the risk of becoming septic. there's so much going on and all you wanted was medical answers. you didn't want somebody to pray for you to get better. you wanted answers. people were terrified, people in the medical professional were terrified to give you this information. why is it that a red state like louisiana with its very confusing laws that create fear

in medical professionals, why is it so important for people to understand that just because they don't have a red state right now that has a near ban, that because of dobbs now the states make these decisions all on their own. >> yeah, absolutely. i think that's the most valid point to bring up when it comes to my story. helping folks understand, you may think abortion rights, folks talk about the word abortion, their minds run to this idea of women who do not want children or do not want to expand their families, but a lot of times we're looking at states that have an abortion ban, we're dealing with situations where a lot of us want children or are trying to expand our families but because of the intersectionality between maternal health care and abortion bans it's impossible to thriver in a way that is safe and effective. when we talk about the red tape that abortion bans bring, not only are we looking at the lives of women being lost, but we're not saving any more babies and a lot of times the abortion bans speak to this potential or right to life or pro-life movement

that speaks to the potential of growing families in a healthy way and making sure babies are safe, but right now, we're looking at exponential and disproportionate numbers of women losing their lives because of these bans. we're talking about right now states are safe or this idea you can go to nevada or other states that have full access to maternal health care or abortion care, but what we know is very important, bans do not work anywhere, and if there's a ban anywhere in this country, none of us are safe. it's important for us to throw this back to our federal government, allow for president biden and vice president harris to do a good job and on the second term, being able to instate laws that protect everyone in the country, not just some in certain states. >> and to your point, donald trump has said he wants to enact a federal ban. forget the supreme court saying it becomes a state thing. he wants a federal ban if he gets elected back into the oval office. i want to thank you so much for sharing your story. i'm always speechless, but i'm

always inspired by the courage of you and others that are willing to share what your journey was, how painful it was, so we understand there are people, there are faces to the stories. so thank you so much for being here. i appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. have a good night. >> joining us now for more on the conversation is the president and ceo of reproductive freedom for all. i just -- these stories, they're so important to tell, yet i'm speechless when i do these interviews because, not only did i go through it, i did it at a time in florida where i could go and get the d & c i needed to have. these women are not having the access they need and then you go to a state like louisiana they're like, let's stick mifepristone on a controlled dangerous substance list. >> it's horrific. i agree where you. caitlin joshua, amanda zarowski, these women are heroes. okay. they are shining a light in the

most intimate, painful personal part of their journey to motherhood, to parenthood, in a way that frankly they should not have to do. i go from being moved and upset to being angry that we are even expecting these women to have to travel the country to campaign for the candidate that is the most committed to our fundamental freedoms, joe biden. you have done a great job on the show of talking about what donald trump has said, but these are the stories that explain to folks the impact of what donald trump has wrought. this is the america that donald trump has created. this is the damage, there are 21 states with bans and restrictions. states like louisiana, trying to further those restrictions. you know, the situation happening right now in louisiana is so important to understand because technically, as caitlin said, you can leave the state to get your care. >> if you can afford it. if you can actually have the means to do it. >> or you could find a doctor

through telemedicine who could prescribe that care to you, but they're trying to make it as terrifying and confusing as possible. for women to access legal care in their own state. this is so important. mifepristone is safe. mifepristone is effective, it has been authorized from the fda for over 20 years. we expect the supreme court decision that affirms that shortly, so that's why you're seeing anti-abortion extremists in places like louisiana starting to try to confuse americans again about access to this medicine and its safety and efficacy and the fact that it's still available online through doctors who are in states with laws that protect them. >> what's kind of crazy about this louisiana thing too is the republican white male lawmaker who proposed the bill, i'm all for what he oermy said it was going to be, which was you cannot give mifepristone or an abortion inducing pill to a

pregnant woman, which is what his sister went through, his brother-in-law did that to his sister, and then he was like, let me stick in this amendment where we're going to take two safe fda approved drugs and we're going to put them on a controlled substance schedule. my fear is that other states are taking notes. they're like, look, that worked in louisiana. let's do it in some other place. >> that's 100% what this is. this is the playbook that the radical anti-abortion extremists have put together. this is right out of the same playbook as project 2025. these are the same nefarious folks who are trying to whittle away access. remember, under roe, before dobbs, we still had many states post planned parenthood v. casey that enacted these targeted restrictions against abortion providers. things like 72-hour waiting periods. mandatory ultrasounds. disinformation masked as medical

advice that abortion clinics had to deliver to patients. this is the same stuff. so we're on the ballot and winning through the democratic process. and these folks are trying to really game the system to create anxiety, fear, disinformation, and really have a chilling effect on access to care in places where we should still have care. look, since dobbs, abortion providers have been working overtime to provide care, and they have been successful in getting women from states like louisiana to other places with care. one by one, you're seeing them try to change the rules and muddy the waters so that women can't get access. this is what we have to be worried about in a trump administration. joe biden and his administration have tried to enforce laws like the medical emergency case in front of the supreme court for abortion care in emergencies. they have tried to enforce access to mifepristone. those cases are back at the supreme court. what would happen in a trump administration in this type of

crisis. it would be even more unimagine than we're seeing in the 21 states. the stakes are clear, i'm grateful to caitlin for being on the trail. we need her voice, particularly as a young woman of color. it's an incredibly important story to tell and we're just, as you said, i'm in awe. i'm in awe of her courage. >> you know, we have to continue to shout it from the rooftops, abortion is health care. it's health care. it's health care for caitlin joshua and countless others. thanks for being here, as always. good to see you. thank you. coming up, dozens of people have reportedly been killed in rafah, gaza, after an israeli air strike on an area where displaced palestinians were sheltering in tents. we'll have the latest including the united states response that came today. that's next. and doug. (bell ringing) limu, someone needs to customize and save hundreds on car insurance with liberty mutual. let's fly! (inaudible sounds)

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we're continuing to follow the latest out of gaza. dozens of people including women and children were killed last night in an israeli air strike at a tent camp for displaced palestinians in rafah, according to local official. nbc's raf sanchez is in tel aviv with more. >> reporter: the images coming out of rafah are causing shock and sparking condemnation all around the world. here's what we know. families were sleeping in their tents in the early hours of this morning. many of these tents made of plastic, of wood, when this israeli air strike came crashing

down, and then all hell broke loose, according to survivors speaking to our team in gaza. they say flames ripped through this tent encampment, children were screaming. and ultimately, around 40 people killed, according to the emergency services in hamas-run gaza. many of them, women and children. some of them apparently burned to death. now, israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu in a pretty unusual statement in front of the israeli parliament called this a tragic mishap and said israel will investigate what happened here. the israeli military says the strike did succeed in killing two senior hamas commanders alleged to have been involved in the planning of attacks in the occupied west bank. the idf says it took measures ahead of time to try to reduce civilian casualties, but there is now this operation under way. now, the white house is saying

the images coming out of rafah are, quote, heartbreaking. they say israel has the right to pursue hamas after the october 7th attack. but that it must take every possible precaution to protect palestinian civilians before launching strikes. we have heard stronger condemnation from president macron of france and from senior u.n. officials. and today, those families, many of whom were displaced several times over the course of the war, are picking through the charred remains of what were their tents, and they are moving on, hoping, hoping, hoping to find safety somewhere else. back to you. >> our thanks to raf sanchez in tel aviv. so for more on the white house's reaction, let's go to white house correspondent ali rafah. >> yeah, a spokesperson with the national security council issuing a statement earlier today reacting to this strike in

rafah. saying that the u.s. is coordinating with the idf and partners on the ground in rafah to assess what happened. they called the scenes coming out of rafah devastating and heartbreaking but they also defended israel's right to go after hamas, which israel said was the reason behind this strike. the big question now for the white house, though, is whether israel will face any repercussions or consequences for this. because this has been the white house's concern for months now. remember, the president has said that without a robust plan in place by the israelis to protect palestinians sheltering in rafah, that the white house would not support any ground offensive by israel into that area. and he said that that would cause the u.s. to reconsider future military aid to israel if that is indeed taken place, and whether a plan does not come to fruition, the white house saying they still have not seen a plan for that by the israelis.

we know white house officials and their israeli counterparts have had several meetings about what alternative options exist to defeat hamas without invading rafah. and so now that we see this strike happening in population centers in this population center in rafah, rather, a safe zone designated safe by israel, there's really a growing question on whether that one pause of that one weapons shipment from the u.s. to israel, a bunker buster bombs, whether that will be the one and only pause of a weapons shipment or whether we could potentially see more by the u.s. to israel. this latest strike also raising questions on how this could potentially impact cease-fire talks as we know white house officials say there was progress made over the weekend in europe during those meetings between the cia director and qatari and israeli officials. so this latest strike raising questions on whether hamas will be willing to accept any potential proposal to come out of those talks after this

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the men and women of the united states armed forces who have paid the ultimate price for the freedoms we enjoy in this country, as president biden did today at arlington national cemetery. >> freedom has never been guaranteed. every generation has to earn it. fight for it. defend it in battle between autocracy and democracy, between the greed of a few and the rights of many. it matters. our democracy is more than just a system of government. it's the very soul of america. it's how we have been able to constantly adapt through the centuries. it's why we have always emerged from every challenge stronger than we went in. and it's how we come together as one nation united. and just as our fallen heroes have kept the ultimate faith with our country and our democracy, we must keep faith with them. >> a democracy is not just defended by its military.

it must be defended by its voters, all of them, all of the time. as former attorney general eric holder put it, just days before the supreme court said it would take up donald trump's claim that he should be immune from criminal prosecution, there is no cavalry coming. miracle solution, no saviors. in the end, we the american people, not any of our institutions, have to save our democracy by voting in defense of that democracy this fall. we are the cavalry. the responsibility is ours. but how do you encourage voters about that responsibility, even when they are divided on other issues? the reverend dr. martin luther king jr. was criticized by some for his vocal opposition to the vietnam war before he was assassinated in 1968. dr. king's anti-war and economic justice positions were never as popular as his position on civil rights. our next guest, princeton

professor eddie glaude has spent years studying the words of dr. king and the writings of other civil rights leaders in this country. his new book, we are the leaders we're looking for, makes the case that ordinary people, people across this country that are fighting for civil rights, are exactly the heroes that our democracy needs to become a freer, more equitable society. he writes, americans currently find themselves and there is no reasonable way to deny this, in a moment of profound crisis. the country is changing, and the substance of that transformation is not clear. americans are divided, and those divisions go well beyond idealogical differences. race shadows it all. the great replacement theory, panic and terror around demographic shifts, assaults on voting rights and affirmative action. bitter debates about american history. the answer to the troubles in this country rests as it always has with the willingness of

everyday people to fight for democracy, not with the outsourcing of that struggle to so-called prophets and heroes but with the realization that the salvation of democracy itself requires in part the creation of personal attitudes and individual human beings that affirm the dignity and standing of all people. it requires that we understand that democratic flourishing cannot be separated from the individual attitudes that are so deep seated as to constitute character. we must be the kinds of people democracies require. joining me now is princeton university professor of african american stuies eddie glaude jr. he's an msnbc contributor and "new york times" best selling author of the new book "we are the leaders we have been looking for." eddie, my friend, good to see you. this book that you have written, there is something that you wrote, it talked about the damaging role that heroes and

prophets can play in politics. and you wrote about the authority of black moralism rested in the temporal trace of a heroic age that those who embrace it invoke the movement's martyrs and their achievements along with its vocabularies as a way to claim their legitimacy in the face of the eroding conditions of much of contemporary black life. so the question for you, in 2024, who should we be looking to then? >> well, first of all, thank you so much for that lead in. you know, the short answer to your question is we have to look to ourselves. we have to understand our power. you know, when we follow people, oftentimes we cease doing the hard work of working on ourselves. we outsource our responsibility to them. and then we think we can go about the daily chores and trials and demands of our lives. but i think we're in a moment

now that requires each of us to understand that if we don't step up to the responsibility of salvaging our democracy, we may lose it. and i think part of what i'm trying to do in the book is to say sometimes people can invoke the past as a way of disciplining the present, narrowing what constitutes legitimate forms of political dissent. some people can invoke the past as a way of justifying their own presence at the head of the march. some people can justify, invoke the past, just to get you to simply bow down to the status quo. we have to understand what are our values. what kind of human beings do we aspire to be. if not we're going to lose it. maybe within the last few weeks, you said that no matter trump's

bombast or his criminality, the fear of his politics makes certain segments of white america feel good. they offer a catharsis and many are given license to express their hatred and fear. this is what i struggle with, eddie. it's do you try to reason with those people? do you try to make some type of understanding of who they are when they're built inherently on a hatred of others, of people who look like you and me, the black and brown people, because white america is what trump tries to rally the people behind. so how do i as an individual if i'm looking to myself to lead, to not be lazy or not to be complacent, because it is easy to follow, as you say, what does it take for me to be able to have the mettle to feel i can make a difference in november? >> right, so first of all, what trump is appealing to is what

frederick douglass talked about in 1852. he said there's a horrible reptile in the bosom of the nation and that was slavery. it was a certain set of assumptions not simply about black people, but about the superiority of white people to own people. he said we must rip that reptile from our hearts. it's the central contradiction. it's the contradiction that eats at the entrails of the country, and donald trump is appealing to those grievances, those hatreds, those old ghosts, as president biden says, the old ghosts that have the nation by the throat. so he says, we have to make a distinction between those people we must persuade and those people we must defeat. we often times spend a lot of energy trying to persuade people who really don't accord standing.

they are not interested in being persuaded. what you and i have to do is understand the problems right in front of us, not to think about this in some abstract way. i use this phrase over and over in the book. let's engage in our politics close to the ground. let's stop looking to d.c. let's look right where we are in the local communities around education and jobs and a decent wage and around basic municipal issues that face-off that can then be networked across the country. the problem is often right in front of our noses. let's not pan out too far. when we bring it close to the ground, that is when we can get about the hard work. it is not too much and we all have the courage and capacity and capability to do that work. >> your book is powerful and the personal anecdotes are one that, for me, resonate the most. thank you for being here and giving us this brief glimpse into what you have done. your new book "we are the

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full four-year term. molly cook is the youngest state senator currently serving in texas. here are some of the issues molly ran on to win voters in district 15. >> when i clock in for work, i know every second counts. i'm democrat molly cook. in the er, it is seconds i can save a life. and the clock is always taking in texas. will today be the day we are racing to save her after a miscarriage? repairing the damage of a gunshot wound? keeping neighbors a life after the power goes out? i am a molly cook and i'm running for texas senate because we don't have anymore time to wait. >> joining us now is texas state senator molly cook who is running for reelection in at tomorrow's democratic primary for texas state senate district 15. molly, thank you for being here. number one, congratulations. number two, good luck tomorrow. i'm marveling that you are pulling this off in texas. i'm from florida. so it is the hold my beer kind

of energy between texas and florida all the time. but you came back from a deficit of 14 points from the primary to win. so talk about why you think your background as a grassroots activist who understood community activism is the way to go, resonated so much with voters. >> thank you so much and thank you for having me on. i will just say that the previous speaker was speaking about politics on the ground and how important that is. and there is nobody who understands politics on the ground better than a grass roots organizer and an emergency room nurse who is meeting with people at the bedside and moments of fear, anxiety, sickness and injury. so i know what makes people sick and i have a masters in public health policies. so i know how to think about systems to bring about healing. >> talk about the messaging that you think is the most important thing going into the

election tomorrow. >> the most powerful thing we can do is get our voters excited. many people know that houston just experienced yet another disaster that has hurt a lot of folks in our district. what we saw was a drop off in voters turning out the days after the disaster and we saw a pop in the early voting thursday and friday. we are working to reach voters to get them excited and knocking on over 1000 doors a day and making phone calls to let them know that we really can put the first woman ever in the seat and the first out member of the lgbtq plus community in the texas senate for the next four-year term to fight for us and fight for our rights. >> i'm a big proponent of "see her be her." so for someone like you, you are the ultimate in the representative or you can serve and inspire others and say, look, i can do it and i can't represent your interest when i'm in the texas senate. >> yes.

and i think a really important thing we have experienced in this cycle especially, and of course you can check out molly protects us to check out the issues and everything that i care about. i have been sharing my own abortion story. i had an abortion in the state in 2014 and i cannot believe that today i count myself lucky that it was legal and safe. and that message has resonated at the doorsteps. the courage to be exactly who i am often ends in tears and hugs at the ends of conversations. i think that authenticity you are talking about is necessary and advantageous and will get is a win tomorrow. >> i have to say goodbye but i wanted to self-correct. you actually won your primary by 14 points. i wanted to make sure i got that accurate. thank you so much. texas state senator, molly cook. good luck tomorrow. >> thank you so much. >> that does it for us. we want to see you tomorrow and