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i'm alicia mendendez with symone sanders-townsend and michael steele and new york city. today, the next president really against his criminal conviction and his party revolting against the justice system. michael: joins us at the table to react . and what comes next for trumped as the assumptive nominee said to be sentenced days before the gop convention. conservative supreme court justices refusing to take the ethical high road and how should democrats respond. grab your coffee and your tea and settle in. welcome to a supersized edition of the weekend. donald trump's felony conviction and the fallout is a historic moment for this country. the guilty verdict showing us

no one is above the law, not even a former president but since the conviction we have seen a sharp rise in attacks against prosecutors, the judge and the jury. yesterday, trump unleashed a rambling tirade filled with lies undermining america's judicial process. and right on cue his gop allies parroted and escalated those attacks time magazine writing the onslaught of attacks against the ruling extending beyond the massive maga loyalists. many of trump's gop critics assailed the tryout rather than the first u.s. president to be found guilty of a crime. joining us now is msnbc political analyst and the host of the past politics podcast and special correspondent for vanity fair, also marcus childress, a former january 6 committee investigator. good morning. >> good morning. >> where do we begin? >> i mean, i don't even know. you know what? marcus was a former january 6 investigator and he is a lawyer. i'm very interested in how you saw everything unfold this week and juxtaposing donald trump's comments after the verdict

yesterday with, frankly, what we all know to be true. >> i think what we're learning is the former president lacks all creativity. it was super predict double. we knew when donald trump started saying that this trial would be rigged a couple months ago that he knew he wasn't going to have a successful verdict? so it was very clear once he was found guilty he was going to push out these narratives of it being rigged and biased and it reminded me at a press conference yesterday a lot of the number six, 2020 speech he did after he lost the election when the results were coming in and the tide was swinging toward joe biden and he started to say this election is rigged democratic-run cities in detroit and philadelphia starting to take this election from me and take this country from you. and those lies seem to echo what he was doing yesterday. i'm getting nervous about these jurors and the court staff,

folks who did not want to be there. these are their jobs. and i were starting to lie about the jury instructions and lie about what the jurors considered, about their buys and about them being from new york and these are for standard, white-collar-type crimes. and i find it disingenuous that like we saw the 2020 were starting to see republican members, and spew these lies, as well. i am concerned about where this is going. but it is very predict double. if you look donald trump and his actions in 2016, 2020, and now. when he knows he's going to lose he says it's rigged and it's biased and he is following the same playbook now, like you try to tear down a country in 2021. i'm afraid he's trying to do the same with our judicial system now in 2024. >> two marcus is point it's not just that trump is with a high degree talking about this being rigged. he's also more specifically blaming biden

personally come the administration. i like to play some sound for you about listening to trump talk about joe biden and his connection to the case. >> they are in total conjunction with the white house and the doj. just so you understand that this is all done by biden and his people. maybe his people, more portly. i don't know what biden is too much about it because i don't know if he knows about anything. but he's, nevertheless, the president so we have to use his name. and this is done by washington. and nobody has ever seen anything like it. so we have a judge who is highly conflicted. you know what the complexion is. nobody wants to write about it? >> and that's the rub for him at the end of the day that no matter how you parse this thing , how these cases started under his doj and their investigations, that somehow

joe biden is the architect of all of this. how do you think the administration -- the administration of one point -- the campaign is a different piece -- how did the biden team kind of take all this into consideration and how do you assess the response so far to what happened? >> so what i think is interesting is remember, trump is running as an autocrat because he really is an autocrat? so he wants to go after the rule of law. after american democracy. he wants this attack on our norms and the constitution and everything like that. and then what he does when he is attacked as he projects. so he says, you know, actually, this is not about me. it's about biden coming after me. and it works for his people so his people say, actually, the real autocrat is joe biden. and that's what they are doing right now. we all know that trump spent $100 million of donor money to

try to avoid these trials. and he managed to cut three of them. obviously he does not find a criminal conviction to be a good thing. but trump's people are saying it's a great thing. is going to help him. he's going to win on a criminal conviction but you have to realize that projection, sorter projection and blatant lying, are the two texts they will do and then there's also the tact of trying to bully people, and it's worked well the republican party. all these republican senators going along with what he is doing. andy's try to bully these people. he's really believe the american part -- republican party into submission. >> one of the prosecutors and alvin bragg steam used to work for the department of justice and so when you say trying to bully people, he is specifically targeting and calling out this one individual and hopes that it will serve as an intimidation tactic, i think. >> and to sully the whole

department and the rule of law and justice to say this isn't real. and we know, i mean, will hurd said it best pick this guy is running for president. he declared because he thought it would prevent him from being indicted. >> i want to highlight something marcus said about threats against the jury from her colleague, ken delaney and a group that monitors right- wing social media says it has identified online calls to docs jurors, judge robert fico and others and it identified a high volume of social media posts containing violent rhetoric targeting justice robert fico and manhattan district attorney alvin bragg. we keep talking about how the role of law how did or institutions held. what is the countermeasure against those threats? >> the countermeasure i think starts with our political leaders being responsible for what they say. we heard molly say you have other leaders that are being bullied into peddling what the former president said. for example the lies such as this case is against me because

the prosecution gets the last word. donald trump may not have known the prosecutors get the last word in trials but i know a lot of the senators and congressmen better lawyers and a practice lawn of the prosecutors always get the last word, yet they are still out here sowing distrust in the system and the part that bothers me is one you would sit down and oppose these folks that storm the capital in 2021 coming to talk to them about why were you so enraged? why were you so mad? they would say if i can't believe my senator who said the election was stolen, and i can't believe a president who said the election was stolen, if i can't believe them, who can i trust? now we get everyone from the speaker of the house to the president to get your local attorney general to your local

district attorney if you are republican you are saying the system is out to get the president or the former president and is out to get you, as well. and that is so disingenuous and so not true and now you have folks who spiral because they think the country is being taken away from them, whatever that means. i'm not really that concerned about another capitol attack. i think those were unique circumstances but i am very concerned about lone wolf-type attack but was on speaker pelosi's husband. those attacks may happen on a.d.a. or juror or the judge or the judge's family like judge walton talked about and that's the part that is frankly annoying and i wish some of these political leaders would stop being so weak and lead our country and stop being bullied by an autocrat. >> i just really want to put a pin and what marcus just said because at the core of all of this you have, again, individuals who are beholden to one person's ideology around himself. and it's about him. it's how he's been put upon and how difficult it is for him. he is such a victim. and then you listen to marco rubio's of the world who are coming out and reinforcing that messaging. that's where this problem really starts and for me, and

i'd be curious, your thinking on this, for me it is part of that arc. and of talked about this in the past. when you look at how went rogue elements try to infiltrate the republican party back in the day , the john birch society and others, the party leadership stood up and said, no. no. this is not who we are. this is not in the tradition of the gop. this iteration of republican leaders are basically punks. and they have no core they are about themselves, and they are about their particular interest if it gives them two things. power and money. how do we, the broader community of folks, look at that and go, we don't want that. yet they lean into it and trump is leading in the polls. and you have republicans

beating democrats in states where you sit there and go, aren't these people recognizing what's going on here? this is ill-liberal, this is anti-american in that sense. how are people processing this and why don't they see how bad the leadership is and not follow it? >> and i think that's a good point. this comes from the tea party. i mean it comes from the john burks society first but there was always this rogue element in the republican party. and it was racist. and it was sexist. and it was this sort of, misogynistic stranded. and what i think -- and they sort of gave it over to the base. with donald trump they said were just going to go in for our basest instincts because it raises money. and is so ironic that small dollar donations ended up really driving the republican party to its worst aspects that was shocking to me. you see marjorie taylor greene

does great small dollar donation numbers when she says this stuff, which is absolutely beyond the pale? so what we need are these few republicans to stand up and say this is not who we are. now, i make the case that this may have been had they were for a while, but that is neither i nor there. and i think that there is an opportunity there are a lot of republicans now reap tiring -- retiring in the house and senate. they don't have the stomach for trumpism. even jeff flake's and the people who phased out early, those people -- >> you know what? where is jeff flake? where is jeff flake? you know what? well, can i just say this. it's only 7:00 and not trying to get the gentleman riled up just yet. i think the words of the actual president, not the thick president claiming to be present is trying to be present again but the actual president are important here. joe biden said, we can play it

but he talked about it's reckless and dangerous and irresponsible. this is what joe biden had to say and i think this makes the point very clear. >> it's reckless. it's dangerous. it's irresponsible for anyone to say this was rigged just because they don't like the verdict. our justice system has endured for nearly 250 years and it literally is the cornerstone of america. our justice system. justice should be respected and we should never allow anyone to tear it down. it's as simple as that. that's america. that's who we are. and that's who we'll always be, god willing. >> we are going to let those words sit with you folks because they really speak to the heart of this moment and at the end, the president basically reminding us of who we are and who we should be. molly and marcus, stick around

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charges. folks, that is a clear, blatant and obvious lie. donald trump's trial played out in new york state court. this is a separate jurisdiction from the united states department of justice in washington, d.c.. even senator stephen collins is working overtime, unnecessarily to undermine manhattan district attorney alvin bragg pick after the verdict she claimed redd campaigned on a promise to prosecute donald trump. well, here's a quick check to check. during the 2021 razor manhattan d.a., bragg said he would consider his predecessors investigation to hold trump accountable by following the facts. he did not make any campaign promises to indict trump and he campaigned, everybody, on the need to hold the rich and powerful accountable. back with us is molly and marcus. i think this attack -- and rachel maddow has been making this point but the last two

weeks when she did the interview with d.a. fani willis prior to the georgia election. she said it's a shame the people that have not stood up and defended fani willis. and it's a shame for the people who are working overtime. susan collins, nobody asked you for these comments and they were completely unnecessary. it's a shame the attacks on the a alvin bragg who is a former department of justice official himself. he used to be a federal prosecutor. this is a man that does not play politics and is literally doing his job and he did campaign on hauling the rich and wealthy accountable and not adding them skate the rules, as many of them did in the past in new york. it is despicable. absolutely despicable, i think, what's been said about him, judge merchan and the career professionals who are literally doing their jobs >> marcus, listen to what a few

of those gop lawmakers had to say when it came to defending trump-era >> if they do this, if they turn the american system of justice into banana republic garbage, they will suffer consequences for it >> this was a political smear job and an attack job. this is what you see them banana republics and i am both furious and heartbroken at the same time. i'm furious at what we saw, but i'm also heartbroken for the rule of law >> this is the most outrageous travesty i've ever seen and the problem here is democrats have crossed this line. they crossed the line in which another court system is a political weapon and it will be hard for it not to come back the other way. >> marcus, and understand they are auditioning for america's next top vice president but your response to what you heard there from lawmakers? >> clearly banana republic was in the talking points because they kept saying it picked the only thing that is a banana republic about this is the fact that we have someone running

for president who does not actually respect the rule of law and is now a convicted felon and running for president and it's permissible under our law. that's the banana republic. but the point i want to make about and i want to hit on what you said about alvin bragg thing a prosecutor that follows the facts. i'm a former prosecutor. a lot of my colleagues in the general six committee were former prosecutors and that was our exact goal from day one. it was never about donald trump is about why was the capitol attack? what led to the capitol being attacked and how is it attacked? and we followed the facts and it led to donald trump. if you take but a lot of lawmakers are saying right now as the standard, is that you have to have a republican prosecutor, republican judge all confirmed republican jurors and that's the only way justice can be found when you're trying a republican. we tried that on january 6. we had a republican vice chair and a republican member and mr. kinzinger we had republican staff and lawyers on our team. former veterans who were not partisan.

we had all republican witnesses at our hearings and they still cast doubt on our investigation. so they are moving the goal post for whatever works for donald trump and we will continue to see these allies continue to aggravate and get bigger and bigger over the next few weeks. >> the interesting thing for me in this moment, molly, is how much of a stain donald trump is on everything. everything. and it's interesting, the new yorker had a nice note about the rewriting of history in which it noted rewriting history is one of the signatures a trumpism, as it is of so many totalitarian political movements. the republicans dare to dissent from this instant new orthodoxy. their lockstep statements made one long for the old bipartisan cliches about the sanctity of the courts and the wisdom of a jury made up of one's peers. and for me it speaks to the underlying truth here that he is such a stain and is so much

now a part of everything that republicans, so-called republicans, touch that this is the result. this is how they operate. they can only mimic that. they can only speak to that because they have so absorbed that stain of trumpism into the bloodstream. so the question is as we go into this cycle, the rest of this cycle and then the next ones after that, how do we cleanse ourselves? what will it take for us? will it take a wholesale, on election of republicans are republicans not winning elections to help clean out the system? or do we succumb? more and more american succumb to the stain syndicates on their hands and fingers into the bloodstream? >> what's interesting about what you just said is it's written by susan glasser and she lived

in russia at the rise of pollutants that she has experienced firsthand what autocracy and the rise of a talker as he looks like. and, look. i think if you just look at this from a nonemotional way, trump has not won an election since 2016. >> say it again. >> it's like trump and trumpism doesn't win elections. in fact, if you look down ballot and this polling is to catch these nonvoting voters so that everyone isn't surprised they were in 2016. if you look down ballot at all these polls, you see the democrats in the senate races in the house races over performing. and that's because republicans have no party platform right now but the platform is they came for trump. and this whole speech. if they can come for me, they can come for you. do a lot of people have ndas with adult film stars that they had affairs with quacks he went on for 10 minutes about an nda. the ndas aren't illegal. i'm sorry, i swing voters worried about nondisclosure agreements? and he was like, everyone signs

ndas. i've never signed an nda. is this a common -- >> the nda wasn't the issue. the issue was the falsification of business records? >> the cover-up? >> right but to appeal to swing voters i'm not sure that's a winning message? payment and nda usually isn't but here we are. molly and marcus, thank you. we appreciate it. next, look at the man who brought us to this moment. manhattan d.a. alvin bragg. and tomorrow tune in at 9:00 p.m. eastern for msnbc's special, prosecuting donald trump: witness to history. i was losing interest in the things i love. then i found a chance to let in the lyte.” discover caplyta. unlike some medicines that only treat bipolar i, caplyta is proven to deliver significant symptom relief from both bipolar i & ii depression. and in clinical trials, movement disorders

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that there is a verdict writing, quote, he is allergic to milking any moment, no matter how remarkable. since taking office two years ago, mr. bragg, the manhattan's first district attorney has an uneasy relationship with the spotlight, particularly when it comes to his case against mr. trump. joining us now is msnbc legal analyst catherine christian, the former manhattan assistant district attorney. welcome to the table. i love that allergic to the spotlight aspect of this because that's what these roles require. you are suddenly thrust -- thrust by virtue and nature of the case or the individuals involved in the case, but a good d.a. , regardless, stays focused on the matter in front of them. bragg did that. i know there's a lot of republicans who want to make noise about the campaigning for the job and we can get to that

later. but the man himself is principled and conditioned to do the job without being caught up in the lights. >> and let me explain. this is a very big office. over 400 assistant attorneys and most have their own caseloads and they are not thinking about the donald trump case. and you know, there was harvey weinstein's condition so that's another case. the d.a. -- there are so many wheels going and so many parts that are moving in that office and i was there for about 30 years. so he has so many things to be considering. and it also this disinformation campaign. let me give you some facts. the investigation into donald trump began with the prior district attorney. cyrus vance junior when trump was still the president. this the biden doj started this is not true. this investigation started years ago. the southern

district of new york also was investigating him but cyrus vance junior started this investigation and alvin bragg inherited it, and there was -- i will say kerfuffle, when he came in. >> there was concern about whether or not he would continue the investigation which goes to the point i was trying to make. he is looking at the work and he reassessed --'s. he said let's take a break. first of all he was the new person so why should he suddenly did whatever the old person did? i work for the old person and he was a good old person, but he took his time and evaluated and signed some very great career prosecutors. they keep talking about this biden doj guy, who i never met. and he may have worked there, but he was one of six members of the trial team. and who really were the leaders -- no offense to that person -- joshua steinglass who did the summation. he also was the one who did the direct examination of, who i think was the main witness, mr. pecker . susan hough ventura,

who was her witness and he will be on here in a few minutes, michael cohen. so, she was basically a career defense attorney and have been a prosecutor in that. joshua steinglass is been in that office 25 years so chris conroy has been in office over 25 years. career, manhattan prosecutors, not rural prosecutors, really where the bulk of that trial team. this was not a biden doj trial team. this is not a biden doj case. >> can we just hear from alvin bragg himself? because he rarely spoke during this process as, again, he comes from, i think, the school of thought that you speak through your court cases and you speak in court. after the verdict came down, d.a. bragg had this to say about the case. >> and while this defendant may be unlike any other in american history, we arrived at this trial, and ultimately today at

this verdict in the same manner as every other case that comes through the court room doors. by following the facts and the law and doing so without fear or favor. i did my job. we did our job. many voices out there. the only voice that matters is the voice of the jury and the jury has spoken >> the only voice that matters is the voice of the jury and the jury has spoken. i thought that was very important. he went on to take a couple questions. it's not over but the verdict came down but on july 11 there will be sentencing for donald trump. i am struck by how all these people out here now saying, yes, alvin bragg did his job enough you need not overreach official that ask for this or that. what is your take on all these

people telling alvin bragg what he should do? some of the same people who said that alvin bragg did not know what he was doing in bringing the case in the first place. >> he was very dispassionate there, which prosecutor should be. you don't jump for glee when you get a conviction you don't cry if you get an acquittal. you just follow the law and the facts and let the jury -- and let me say this. these were 12 people who live in manhattan. donald trump spent his -- well, most of his entire life working and living in manhattan. this truly was a jury of his peers his defense attorneys helped select this jury and alvin bragg and his prosecutors will give a fair and just recommendation to the judge about sentencing. and the judge will make that decision. and it will be based on the facts and the law. and you were here, probably, a lot of why, what if the sentence regulation which would be no time or jail time based on the facts. >> counter to that you have republicans carrying donald trump's water on trying to take down a system of law

specifically the house weaponization committee demanding that penn testify but this is from jim jordan. jim jordan will demand alvin bragg and medical mutual appear for hearing on june 16 two testify about the unprecedented political prosecution of trump. pretty transparent with her trying to do here. >> it is a deliberate disinformation campaign to the public to undermine not just this particular verdict, but the whole justice system, the criminal justice system. this was a fair trial. and donald trump actually have the resources to keep going back and forth to the appellate court for every single issue. he had a fair trial. >> catherine christian, so nice to have you with us. thank you for being here. and at the top of the hour we will have michael cohen joining the conversation after historic week in new york. follow our show on social immediacy don't miss anything. we have an extra hour this morning. our handle everywhere is & the weekend msnbc.

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you know some of my favorite texts are michael steele text where he says i have a few things i'd like to say. >> he said you know, i'm going to say my piece. you been acting real crazy, mr. chairman. >> i wish people would just get all stupid at this point. everyone is acting -- they're trying to force it into this normal space and somehow now you have, you know, an individual who has been convicted by a jury of his peers on 34 accounts. it wasn't like it was 17 out of 34 or 5 out of 34. it was all 34 counts. and yet people, and particularly those inside my party right now who are absolutely the worst at this --

and it's frustrating to listen to marco rubio, especially someone like marco rubio who served as a state elected official and is now a federal officer elected official, who sits there and is dividing the system the way he is. he knows better. and that, for me, is the worst part. so the question is how do we then shake people to understand this is not normal and that, to your point, donald trump will be on the ballot this november because our constitution does not kick him off. so we now have even more of a civic responsibility to assess whether or not you want to put a convicted individual in the presidency. and what does that say about us as a country that we have now devalued the rule of law to the point that someone can crime all day long, 34 times, get convicted, not be held accountable because we just made the president of the

united states? >> it's just so -- it is truly unbelievable. people really did not realize that a conviction will not take them off the ballot. i'm talking about regular folks to see all of her social media. i got so many text matches this. people are sink, he can still run? yes, he could still bun and he could still win so you need to vote. it sounds crazy because everyone i know that has been convicted of a felony date did not get to participate in the electoral process right after? payment you make an interesting point. you realize in this election donald trump can't even vote for himself because he is now been convicted of crimes. so what does that tell you? >> he is registered in florida and the florida rules say anybody convicted and you been sentenced -- if you been convicted and sentenced -- we are about to go down a legal rabbit hole. the fact that it's even a

question is crazy and i refuse to sit here like it's normal. the byron donalds, the marco rubio, the men of color in the republican party you are standing up here behind donald trump yelling and shouting that he has somehow been unfairly targeted by a system is insane when we all watch with our eyes the system bend over backward to make exceptions for him. i used to do juvenile justice work for a long time and reform work. any of the young black men and women and young latino and latinos in court, i never saw them get to walk out of the courthouse and have a camera there to say their piece that they could not deride and talk badly about the judge and the system and a process and not be thrown in jail. so the idea that the system somehow is unfair to donald trump -- spamming is 78-year- old white man -- >> a 78-year-old white man who has not lied about his wealth and the problem is donald trump has never met with accountability his entire life

this is the first time and him having to take that mug shot in georgia, is the first time he's ever been held to real accountability. >> i like marco and byron too, i'd like them to advocate for young men of color who are currently in the system and are being tried by the very same justice system that donald trump has just gone through. there are some courthouses -- we have a few in prince georges county maryland, you can come. we can go and advocate for those young men because, man, this system is so unfair. if it's unfair for donald trump it's got to be unfair for them too. i don't hear that advocacy. where is that advocacy? and that points out to me, at least, just the outer dose was the word i want right now at this hour of the morning -- craziness. we will go with that the craziness of all of that because you know at the end of the day you were lying. and you are perpetrating. and you're showing yourselves to be

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everyone who wants peace now must raise their voices and let the leaders know they should take this deal. work to make it real. make it lasting and forge a better future out of the tragic terror attack and war. it's time to begin this new stage. the hostages can come home. israel to be secure and for the suffering to stop. it's time for this war to end and for the day after to begin. >> president biden yesterday making an urgent call for the war in gaza to end. he outlined

a three-phase cease-fire deal that includes a withdrawal of all israeli troops from gaza, the release of hostages, a search humanitarian assistance and installation of a temporary shelter for displaced palestinians. all of that would be followed by a comprehensive reconstruction plan for gaza joining us now is carnegie endowment international peace senior fellow aaron david miller. >> good morning. in the midst of everything else that's going on, the president puts this in play, this new plan, and to be honest, i was like, thank you. thank you. but yet and still prime minister benjamin netanyahu had his own response. let's take a quick listen to his response here. it says israel's condition for ending the war have not changed. the destruction of hamas's military and governing capabilities, the freeing of all hostages and ensuring that gaza no longer poses a threat

to israel. under the proposal, israel will continue to insist these conditions are met before permanent cease-fire is put in place. the notion that israel will agree to a permanent cease-fire before these conditions are fulfilled is a nonstarter. i get the bluster there, but there is a lot there's a lot of meat and substance to the biden plan. am i off-base here? what was your response to it, particularly when you heard netanyahu come back around and pretty much try to put cold water on it? >> you know, it's funny because the president spoke in israel's name and there clearly has been coordination. this is not an american proposal. it's a set of ideas which the administration -shaped basin with the israelis are preparing to accept. but michael, you know, in my experience middle east negotiates only have two speeds, slow and slower, and there is a very long way here. one of my former bosses, james baker, used to refer to what he called the dead cat diplomacy.

in dead cat diplomacy was that parties to a negotiation sometimes really did not want to deal with. what they wanted to make sure was the dead cat or the blame and responsibility for collapse of the negotiations was on the other guy. and i think there is a good deal, certainly on the part of hamas is in stings on this. we will see whether or not hamas responds. if they do, the war cabinet in israel has already approved this and then it will have to go to the full cabinet, and that's with the proverbial rubber will hit the road because netanyahu's extreme right-wing coalition members are clearly and adamantly opposed to this so that's the key question. can he usher this as the president outlined through the perilous waters of domestic israeli politics? but as i mentioned, a lot about this plan is uncertain. the president had to do it. if the only way to de-escalate and perhaps end of the war. took a risk but it was a risk that was clearly warranted and a long time coming? >> i am struck by the fact that

a deal like this only comes to fruition with sustained diplomatic engagement and i'm also struck by the fact that it was announced by president biden and not by the israelis, are not by the negotiators. we did not get a note coming out of the negotiations or the qatari's did not send a press release. i'm wondering what you think about the diplomatic side of this and the work that president biden, the vice president, secretary blinken, director burns, and host of other administration officials have done to bring us to this point. nothing is certain going forward but this is significant, i would. >> that's a really good question and this is a very curious negotiation. usually you have two parties sitting across the table, maybe in proximity talks with a broker or mediator participating in years of those. but look at this negotiation. the principal palestinian decision maker, the architect of the october 7 terrace surge

come is sitting in a tunnel, probably 20 or 30 meters below ground, below rafah and they have the israelis trying to figure out where he is so they can eliminate him. this is being handled indirectly by qatar and egypt, both you heather own mistakes in this and then director burns established a close relationship with the head of israeli mossad and is doing a lot of the heavy lifting on the american side with jake sullivan, tony blinken and the president, to whom they are referring issues for approval. so it's a very curious negotiation. it worked in mid-november. 100 plus israeli hostages in exchange for 400 palestinian prisoners but now you are approaching the end game and the endgame comes down to this.

he wants to be able to survive andy's trading tunnels, time and hostages for a comprehensive end to the war. and yahoo on the other hand was to eliminate hamas, it's senior leadership, and it's organized military, even political impact in gaza. the real question is you could get a phase one. hostages for prisoners. the real test will come in phase two where both israel and hamas have to face those two very critical issues. as i mentioned, slow and slower. buckle your seatbelts and be patient. but i think we are probably closer than ever. and it's the ninth month of this war next week. it's hard to believe. the ninth month of this war. >> such a long, long, time. aaron david miller, thank you for your insights this morning. folks, we have two more packed hours of the weekend coming up including former national enquirer editor locklin cartwright, the new york times suzanne craig, and a colleague katie fang, mark

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