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politics nation. tonight's lead, guilty on all counts. it has been exactly 48 hours since donald trump became the first former president convicted of a felony in our nations history. the judgment rendered by a jury of his peers in the very same manhattan court complex where the exonerated convicted nearly 35 years ago as he called for the death penalty for them. trump is calling himself a political prisoner. even as he remains free to travel and campaign while he awaits sentencing in july. his republican allies are echoing his claim of a political

witchhunt, attacking the judge and the jury and even as they posture as the party of law and order. meantime some chum supporters are taking things further. they place the participants in the preceding in very real danger. it was as a trial that pushed the limits of democracy. now the verdict has placed us even further into uncharted territory . joining me now is joe, a former attorney for donald trump. thanks for being with us tonight, historic week to say the least. donald trump has filed to appeal his 34 count guilty verdict, which we will get into shortly, but at his rambling come a 40 minute press conference yesterday, he blamed president biden and his people, and he called them along with

new york judge, judge merchan , alvin bragg, and his former lawyer michael cohen who he would not name under the gag order against him, he is claiming that the trial was rigged, calling himself a political prisoner, having represented jump, tell us what is going through his mind right now as you got to know him. what is he thinking? >> i was going to use this as a campaign booth, that's only thing he is thinking. he's clearly trying to use this as some sort of martyr, to try to position himself as a martyr and use this as someone who has been politically attacked by his components -- opponents and that the justice system has been politicized. that's what he's going to do. this is a bomb on the political landscape, make no mistake about it.

i also think there is a sliver of americans who are undecided. i think the people who are supporters of donald trump, whether convicted on all four indictments, and let that swivel around your brain when you say it -- residential candidate who has 34 indictments, one conviction, or the people who are against him certainly this is not doing anything to change that. so, i just don't know at the end of the day what affect this is going to really have on the election. there's a sliver of undecided americans who may say, i can't have a convicted felon as our president. >> joe, we are talking about 34 felonies he was found guilty of , they may go through and he has the right to go through an appeals process, but tonight he has been found guilty of 34 felonies and as you know, i have worked most of my life in civil rights, a lot of it in criminal justice cases, and i

don't know anybody in the neighborhood i grew up with that walks around with 34 felony convictions. that is a lot. so, aside from the election, what it does to the country and what it does to the perception of young people that run off the retail to do the right thing. let me go into this, in the last weeks of the trial, we watched several republican lawmakers, lawmakers, including the house speaker mike johnson, circle the wagons around trump, visiting the courthouse to show loyalty to their nominee, since the verdict came down, many of those same lawmakers have doubled down on the support, calling for the supreme court to step in. take a listen to what johnson, congressman byron donalds and senator tim scott have said since the conviction thursday. >> they might have it today but they are not going to last long. what happened in new york is a travesty of justice, and everybody knows it.

>> i can't believe the hoax, the sham, this absolute injustice, justice system, --. against a political opponent, un-american. joe biden, you are fired. >> i do believe the supreme court should step income obviously, this is totally unprecedented. and it is dangerous to our system. this will be overturned. it's going to take sometime. >> what are your thoughts on what you just heard? as i mentioned, they are just a few of the many of the republicans. >> what i hear, like tim scott is someone who i used to respect, but i lost a lot of respect from what i just heard because he sounded so uneducated, unintelligent, and made no sense at all. to say that, look, i understand there is a political motivation to a lot of what is going on in our country today, and everyone wants to paint with a broad brush and say this is a political vendetta and

weaponization of the justice system. this is a state case. this is different than that jack smith cases. this is not a federal prosecution. joe biden or anyone from his justice department have absolutely zero to do with manhattan district attorney's office. they have no jurisdiction over him. have no context or control over him. to say that joe biden brought this case is one of the most ridiculous things i've heard. we know that's not the case, and even trumps lawyers know that is not the case. >> wait right there because as you say, even trumps lawyers know that's the case. you are an attorney with trump. you were on his case early and got off the case, so you are speaking as one that knew, as you signed into work for trump, what you explained on this show why you got out. this had nothing to do with joe biden or any other federal government trying to lean in on donald trump.

>> the federal government has no input on the manhattan district state prosecution. the federal government and joe biden cannot direct command, request a state prosecutor to bring charges. they have no jurisdiction. the same way the president would not be able to pardon anyone who is convicted of a state crime. it is only left to the governor of that state. people who say that make it scary that they really don't know the law or what they are talking about. to suggest that joe biden would be behind a manhattan prosecution is silly. that's not the issue. the issue is, is this the case that would have been brought against anyone else other than donald trump? i still say the answer is probably no. because, it's a case that really put together a lot of different theories, a misdemeanor, business records crime, coupled with an undescribed felony crime and that's the part where there is some powder in that gun

where you could argue that, hey, this was done because it was him. but joe biden had nothing to do with this and this is nothing about a political opponent being persecuted by the justice system. in this case. >> but even if you think as you stated, and i don't agree, that may be it would have been brought against anyone else, you have to admit that donald trump's lawyers, his defense lawyers laid there in front of the jury, they heard it, they even had the law read back at a jury of his peers, not only said yes it was a crime by voting guilty, they went with the decision and a charge of the judge that it was in the rights of this court to find donald trump guilty as a felon in these particular indictments. so, i think if people could

argue what they didn't understand, the defense laid all that out, the judge charged it and they reread it to the verdict. and the jury still voted and disagreed with your assessment. >> i didn't say they were wrong or whatever, all i said was i don't think this case would have been brought against someone else if they were named -- not named donald trump. the justice department, previous d.a. -- i'm just saying this case, reverend. but the jury's verdict is different. that also validates the men hadn't district to a degree. it certainly removes it from the political witchhunt of joe biden. joe biden didn't know who the jurors were. no one knew who they were. so, 12 independent new yorkers game together and pronounced guilty. that's where you have to stop with, it's a political

witchhunt. you have a jury who has spoken, peers of the community, of donald trump. here's the reality, and you and i both know this. we are lifelong new yorkers and we love our city, but we also know that donald trump is one of the most unpopular people in new york city. what i think part of this is, it's a little bit of a lifetime achievement award. the new yorkers really were not going to give him the benefit of any doubt and that is part of this. i really do. >> let me then go here. as soon as the verdict was handed down, there was a surge in social media post calling for or threatening violence against alvin bragg, judge merchan and the jurors who unanimously agreed on his guilt. this includes attempts to identify and publish their home address or dachshund. but that is the only recent example of trump supporters,

acting on threats against those involved. often with trump's own tacit encouragement. how worried should we be about this? >> worried. i'm worried. it's shocking and mind-boggling. there should be an immediate denouncement from the trump campaign to those statements. those cuts to the core of our democracy. when you are threatening jurors, people who were ripped out of their lives, gave eight weeks of their life away from their families and jobs to serve their community, to do something that really is as important as anything other than military service, when you do that, you really -- who is going to want to be a juror again? it is the most -- i read that and i got chills. i understand the ramifications. i think you knew some of these people are just not mentally positioned and ill enough to

not enact on these things. they will read that and think that's what that's supposed to mean. these are the same people who thought it was a good idea to storm the capital on january 6th. said on nancy pelosi's disc and try to kill mike pence, if they could find him. >> finally, joe, let me ask you this. you briefly worked on this case and you knew a bit of that mind- set. you left the case and went back working on various diverse this civil rights places. he has talked a big game about how the trial was rigged and real judgment day would be on november 5th. how angry do you think he is that he has been convicted of 34 felonies? he can appeal. is going to have to go through the process, department one, court of appeals statewide on and on, but right now, before the selection and i don't see

how he overturns anything if ever -- he is guilty of 34 felonies. how do you think it will affect him as he runs for president with this looming over his head? >> in our days in the past, if a congressman a low-level politician had as much as i'd drunken-driving case against him, that was it. they had to disappear from the political landscape. it's shocking to think that someone with 34 felony convictions could run for president and win. i think that's a real chance, but i know how he is right now and he is unhappy. whatever words he uses, i know he is furious. this is just one of four indictments and this was the one that everybody thought was the weakest. and people in his camp were

telling him that the hung jury is very likely. all you need is one. but then you get into text graffiti. that is a fortune- telling method of trying to interpret tvs. when people are sang, -- i left. i engage in that if you will, it is an infliction that even the most experienced will try to determine what jurors are with you or against you. they thought a hung jury was in the making. and obviously, 11 hours of deliberation they came back pretty quickly, all 12 with a guilty verdict. >> unanimous. well, thank you for being with us and i will see you soon because i have a couple more civil rights cases where you attorney joe tacopina, thank you for joining us.

joining me now onset is nbc legal analyst, catherine, a former assistant d.a. in the men hadn't district attorneys office. let's start with the sentences. scheduled for july 11th, four days before the republican convention, what are the possible penalties and what are the likely penalties in your opinion. >> no time. that judge will say time termed -- served. he will have to pay a fine and committee service. i don't see that, having the former president cleaning parks, which years ago people might remember naomi campbell was sentenced to that. or it could be jail, and jail means a year or less. rikers island, 30 days or it could be the maximum is up to four years, which means state

prison, attica, sing sing, or it could be probation, where he would have to pro -- report to probation. >> is it possible to get home confinement? >> that's not really a sentence that is given in new york, but a judge has discretion to do that, as sort of a part of your conditional discharge would be that, meaning you can only go -- he won't be locked in trump tower but he would be limited and i can see the judge not doing that because he is, assuming he's not sentencing the person running for office, but it's going to be hard because there are mitigating circumstances. i can only two. one, he's 78 years old and the other is he has no prior criminal convictions. >> so his lawyers could argue, he's 77, 78, but i thought he was a youngster. i thought they were arguing that biden was old now they will have to argue he is old? >> he won't let them do that. if i were representing him, which i wouldn't be, but you

would say, your honor, my client is 78. the aggravating circumstances is he has three open indictments in three different jurisdictions. he has civil liability he was found liable for abuse, defamation, fraud, involving the trump university, involving the trump organization, so and he has also violated this own judges gag order multiple times. he violated it in civil trial. there is a lot of aggravating circumstances that might lead to , okay, you are someone who should get some type of incarceration. >> now, when he left the courthouse the other day, is he on parole? >> there was no bail set, so he is just free because on a felony in new york, you cannot set rails. he has been returning to court anyway. >> trump has promised to appeal to is he unlikely to face any real punishment prior to the election? does he have a strong case in

your opinion for an appeal? >> he has issues for an appeal, so -- i can't say you always have issues -- he will appeal the jury instructions. he will appeal that he was kept from testifying because the judge is allowing the prosecutor to ask without certain bad acts. so, the appeal, he has 30 days after his sentence to file a notice and it will be up to his lawyers how fast that appeal will go because there will be deadlines scheduled for them to file briefs and if everyone files everything on time, it could be heard by january of 2025. that's actually short in the appellate land in new york. >> you have heard his repeated claims that he is being treated worse than any other defendant because of his politics. i can't help but think of former baltimore prosecutor marilyn mosby who was sentenced last week to 12 months of home detention, three years of

supervised release and 100 hours of community service 41 count of perjury and one count of mortgage fraud. trump, meanwhile is free to travel and campaign while he awaits sentencing. he continues to speak out about the case in spite of a gag order and as we have said, it's unclear he will ever finish -- face justice given the timing of the appeals process and the upcoming election. isn't it the case that he is being treated more leniently than the average defendant? >> how many -- and we are familiar with the justice system -- how many defendants have four open indictments in ford different jurisdictions who are free? just even starting with that and all of the chances he received from violating gag orders. we can just start with that, in my opinion, he has been treated very differently. and the sad part of former d.a. mosby, the prosecutor actually

asked for 20 months in prison, so she thankfully had a judge who was kind and fair and said no, i'm not putting this woman in prison. >> if you compare her to trump, we see the difference. lastly, i must ask about the supreme court. on thursday, chief supreme court justice john roberts declined an invitation to meet with his democratic senators to talk about the courts ethical controversies including the upside down american flag that flew outside justice samuel alito's home. that flag was also flown by january 6th insurrectionist. i couldn't help but notice that same flag popped up again this week being flown by trump supporters, demonstrating after the announcement of trump's guilty verdict. the issue of supreme court justices being viewed as -- has been a problem for a while. but this seems like something beyond that. do you think it's a mistake for

the chief justice not to engage in a real dialogue about it? >> or at least put out a statement. they created their own code of ethics, the supreme court did, but he's going to do as he did, separation of powers. i don't have to ship to congress because we are separate than you. there should be --. and the confidence in the court is being eroded by the public because of certain members on that court. >> all right, attorney catherine christian, thank you for being with us. coming up, jumps indictment trade a pivotal role in the republican primaries. now his convictions are looming large in the presidential election. our political panel talks about where things could be headed and that is next. next. e spell. how do you spell relief? r-o-l-a-i-d-s rolaids' dual-active formula begins to neutralize acid on contact. r-o-l-a-i-d-s spells relief.

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nation's politics. let's bring in our panel to talk about it. democratic strategist valencia johnson, a former senior adviser for the biden 2020 campaign and now the chief impact officer at 1063 west broad, and susan, republican strategist and msnbc attributed susan, we have to start with the felony convictions. 's campaign claims they raise nearly $53 million in the first 24 hours after the verdict came down thursday. he also has gotten support from some billionaire donors like bill ackman, who is leading the charge against dei and elon musk . including senate minority leader mitch mcconnell who way back in 2021 had said, trump

should be subject to the country's criminal and civil laws. has this moment further tightened trump's grip over the republican party? is that even possible? >> that's a great way of putting it. i don't know if it is possible to me more under trump's thumb with the small minority of republicans who voted for biden in 2020, or those who do speak out, but they are certainly in the minority. nothing is going to change the dynamic for trump within the political party. i was really surprised to see that, right after the verdict, a lot of republican congressmen who were in swing districts, meaning they have a tough road in a general election your , they came out and backed up donald trump, and i find that so puzzling because especially in local races, republicans who run on crime -- well, i think

backing him up they just give the democrats a gift because all they are going to say is, how can you be fighting crime when you endorse and commit to felons? >> it will take a while to fully gauge the impact of the hush money verdict on public opinion, but i wanted to show up all that found that half of registered voters strongly or somewhat approved the verdict. in the meantime, president biden and his allies are reportedly sticking to a cautious and sober response to the verdict. should the campaign be doing more to capitalize on their opponent being found guilty by a jury of 34 felony counts? >> i think democrats have to be a little careful because -- i know you understand firsthand about what has happened to so many marginalized folks who

have been wrongfully convicted as felons who can't even get a job or an apartment and unfortunately, a former sitting president can be charged dirty four times of felony counts and also still run for president and be elected. i think democrats have to thread the needle here that doesn't polarize folks who we often advocate for, while also showing the entire country that this is a man who has rigged the system and he his bid a person who benefits from this since before we can even understand him as a politician, when he was in new york and msnbc has reported on this over and over, the discrimination in housing, what he has done to the central park five and on and on. it will be an interesting message for democrats to push forward going into november. i think president biden himself will stay away from it but his

allies will not. >> i will be talking with one of the central park five shortly, but it's very interesting to me, people forget that donald trump, his whole scheme was to hide it in an election and had this come out, it could have, we don't know, but it could have affected that election and hillary clinton might have been the president and he would not have been put three people on the supreme court. and when we look at affirmative action, that's the effect of what he did by hiding this, if you look at the possibilities that could have happened if this story had come out. susan, you mentioned that down valid impact of the trump trial. regardless of whether the biden campaign makes a big deal of the convictions, other democrats in close races are already trying to tie the republican opponents to trump's criminal activities. in new york, 17th district

democrat jones was attacking republican congressman mike lawlor for supporting trump despite his convictions just 20 minutes after the verdict was read. were republicans in congress paying a price for trump's legal issues even if the former president does not? >> i believe they will, especially if they keep double downing on it. i wouldn't be surprised if a couple of months to see some republicans backing away from their statements that they made right after the announcement of trump's convictions, 34 felony charges, i like to keep saying that and remind voters, but it is going to be something that haunts me. i want to go back, it's not just that trumps felony convictions, it's that they wanted to run on a platform of crime. they wanted -- they call it migrant crime.

well, those folks haven't been convicted of anything, the majority of the migrants coming into our country. whereas donald trump has. i think it is going to make it very difficult for them to thread that needle. plus i think we are also going to see a lot more things happening. i do believe for donald trump and joe biden, this debate on june 27th will be having much more of an impact on voters than the felony conviction. >> before we go, i want your brief take on the west virginia mayor -- i'm sorry that west virginia senator joe manchin who officially left the democratic party to become an independent yesterday. senator mentioned health democrats maintain a slim majority during the biden term, but he also blocked major provisions of the infrastructure bill that would have addressed climate change and strengthened the social safety, and he stood in the way

of suspending the filibuster to make progress on voting rights and police reform, the george floyd bill, for example. what kind of legacy does senator mention leave within the democratic party? >> with that ruptured, he unofficially left the party a long time ago when he sabotaged our agenda and it's very clear he is about himself because the switch of a party indicates to me that he actually does have more political aspirations. it is unfortunate him about we are seeing joe manchin for who he is, a person for himself, and not the people. >> thank you both for being with us. coming up, donald trump one from calling the deaths of the now exonerated five to being found guilty in the very same court complex the innocent boys were tried in. in a few moments on politics nation, i will talk to use of salaam of the exonerated five

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a former runner-up on the show. he is now a brand and leadership strategist. thank you for being on. before we get into this report, as someone who has known trump for years, i must ask you your quick reaction to him being found guilty this week of 34 felonies in his criminal hush money trail -- trial.. >> thank you for having me on the show. i'm a big fan of your work. we met many years ago but it's great to see you continuing the legacy of freedom and unity in this country. my reaction to the trump verdict is one of jubilee. is one of medication. when i think about the fact that i have been touting these things over and over again about his character, his decision-making, his judgment, wisdom and white america made the wrong choice and now we see a lot of that in regards to his character and his criminality proven right. >> let's turn to your time on the apprentice. the nbc cared

it's show during 15 sentences of 15 seasons of -- and there have been rumors for years about tapes revealing trump's use of the n word onset. the tapes have yet to come to light but now we have pruitt out because after 20 years he can talk. what can you tell us about your experience? participating on the show. would it be damaging to the trump campaign if the tapes were released today? >> that's a great question. i try to view this problem through three lenses. i think you have the personal, the political and then the permission. if i were to think about the personal one, the first lens on how to view this, for me, this is water off a ducks back. he didn't say to my face. it's not that i heard it come out of his mouth because that would have gone down very differently for mr. trump. this is not a matter of me to

go back and forth with fifth grade your , jokes. did you hear what he said about you going back and forth chasing hollywood headlines. a personal piece is neither here or there for me. what's important are the other two factors, the political and permission. the premedical -- political is what you touched on. the election is decided in seven key swing states on a very small margin in the suburbs of atlanta, philadelphia, milwaukee, detroit , so if you think about motors getting the information, hearing the state, hearing him call me that in 2016 and how that may have swung the election just like the stormy daniels information was repressed and therefore could have swung the election as well, so this could have been something had bill pruitt had more courage and more timeliness for me this is a day late and a dollar short, but had he had more timeliness, this also could have possibly swung the election on the margin because we know that's what it is decided. at the political and major

piece. the last piece that i think is the most important as well is the permission structure that has been created. trump has made it okay to be racist in america. he has made a climate of toxicity where we can all go out and do things like charlottesville. we can attack each other on race, rollback dei initiatives, banned books, deny the racial reckoning that we tried to have in our country after george floyd, and the fact that has been a toothless tiger. all of those things are downstream effects of that permission structure that was created by the commander-in- chief in this country. >> i find it interesting that while trump's history of racist comments and attitudes are well known, it is president biden that is seeing his support from black voters slipping during the election. they were in philadelphia and

launched a new effort to mobilize black voters in philadelphia, calling african- americans to backbone of their and pain and the reason for his 2020 win. a day later the campaign addressed the trump accusations saying in part, quote, donald trump is exactly who black voters know him to be, a textbook racist who disrespects and attacks the black community every chance he gets. what should biden be doing in your opinion, highlighting the contrast between themselves when it comes to the issue of race? does he need a different message about what he can deliver to them in a second term? >> i want to thank president biden and vice president harris for naming me in the statement. they did say he attacked a successful black men by using the n-word? so i appreciate the shout out and their support, but president biden does have a problem in particular with generation z black voters. they are very concerned about his stance and gaza, his

unconditional support for israel continuing his arms and complicity that puts america in. a lot of people in the gen z community , we are trying to motivate gen z to politically engage and work with residents like biden and amplify their voice. >> i want to stop you there because i'm out of time but i want to briefly ask you about your work mobilizing gen z medically for your organization together. you have been particularly focused on the right-wing effort to dismantle diversity programs, dei in corporate america and college campuses. i have been holding demonstrations with other young ministers in our organization every single week outside the offices of hedge fund billionaire bill ackman for his assault on diversity programs. he announced he is going to

support trump, by the way, and these are programs he went after at her alma mater, harvard university. talk about the mistakes of this debate, especially for young people of color. >> you know, dei, diversity, equity and inclusion is the closest thing to a next step in advancing the civil rights struggle. it is bringing more people to the table so that we can all have an equitable chance of success in america. we are not guaranteeing people success in america. we are not giving anything away for free. it's about getting people to the table and having an equal starting line so we can all be respected for our talents and have a true meritocracy after that. if you have all of these rollbacks, if you have them in corporate america were 91% of fortune 500 ceos like bill ackman are white males in a country as diverse as this, and to say we don't need action around that, that is an alarm

at the gate. i'm an advocate for equity, inclusion, and i think that is the work that needs to be done by america. >> all right, thank you, kwame jackson. joining me now is new york city councilman, yusef salaam, a democrat, and one of the central park five, now the exonerated five. we appreciate you joining us tonight councilman. let me go specifically to this. in 1989 donald trump took out newspaper ads in new york only for the death for you and four other black and latino teenagers after you arrested and charged with the and murder of a white woman in central park that none of you committed. you were not exonerated till 2002. you did several years in jail, and others did as well.

before you were exonerated. since then, trump even as president has never acknowledged or admitted he was wrong in your case. this week he was convicted of a felony that could mean prison time for the former president in the same very court complex that you were sentenced in as well as the other four and that some of us, many, some of us watch, no more valiant than your own mother where you were wrongfully convicted. what struck me is, even though some of us talked about, we should go down and bring this up, you never went down in front of that court one time, never said a word during the trial, even though he called for your death. he never spoke out and all of the race cases in new york, but yours. what were you thinking when you look down center street where you stood and saw this jury

convict donald trump on 31 felonies? >> thank you for having me i want to serve for the fact that for many years i called it the criminal system of injustice because of what happened to me and people like me, and when it came to donald trump, i was very clear, i wanted to make sure people understood that i wanted him to be afforded the opportunity that was not afforded me or my brothers. they look at the color of our skin and deemed us guilty in a country that says you are innocent until proven guilty. when you come to the court system and you have a person who has been privileged and has used their money to garner favor , now getting to understand what exactly the terminal legal system is all about, i wanted him to be able to feel that, to see that, experience that, and i was proud that our jurors, 34 counts. when you think about the 12 jurors, each of them

looked at all of the counts and made a decision to find this man guilty. i think that a significant. i think that number comes up to something like 408 different guilty charges, from 12 individuals. profound, profound, and for me i was looking at this with tremendous hope, with the opportunity to say to myself again, is this an opportunity for us to have a semblance of becoming the united states of america? all of the rhetoric that donald trump has been spewing has been the exact opposite of that. we are divided. we have been divided we have been divided more so under his so-called leadership, but now we get the opportunity to really truly understand, he is not like us and that's not just a rap song, but the truth of

the matter is, we have always had a love affair with donald trump. some of my favorite hip- hop artists said i want to be rich like donald trump and marla maple. his father gave him a loan that was more than the money that we received from the state. and so we have to really truly understand, where are we right now in this country when we read the cost of tuition, we the people? we were never considered a whole human being. they have never reformed that. >> let me ask you this because we are going to be out of time. they are seeing a lot of young blacks are looking to donald trump. those young blacks watching you right now as one who donald trump took ads out to take her life, what you want to say to them? >> i want to tell them, don't be tricked and hoodwinked and pulled away because you have an individual who is willing to speak in a manner that we have not heard before.

there have been many people who look just like me who have been willing to speak truth to power , but when you have a person like that who is send the same thing off-camera, we have to pay attention. he is not like us. >> all right, councilman yusef salaam, thank you. thank you for making -- for being with us tonight. my final thoughts, next. stay with stay with us. is that tiny troy? the ingredients in head and shoulders keep the microbes that cause flakes at bay. microbes, really? they're always on your scalp... little rascals... but good news, there's no itchiness, dryness or flakes down here! i love tiny troy. and his tiny gorgeous hair. he's the best. - make every wash count! - little help please. new centrum menopause supplements help unpause life when symptoms pause it.

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