and the inspiration for vicki's character was my mom. she was like vivian and like vicki. strong-willed and had her own ideas about things and i thought, let's put this story of vivian in that time come on the western frontier in the 1860s. a place that is kind of lawless and handled by powerful and unscrupulous men not opposed to using violence to achieve their goals. things like that don't seem to change much. but that gave her more of a challenge i think. >> that is all for today and this weekend. we are back here tomorrow morning at 6:00 eastern for another week of morning joe. until then, we hope you enjoy the rest of your sunday! good morning. it sunday, june 2. i'm alicia menendez. with symone sanders townson and

michael steele. donald trump railing against his guilty verdict with misinformation and outright lies. his supporters call for violence and online posts. the new developments you may have missed in the ex- president's other legal cases. president biden's campaign stepping out outreach to black voters a crucial swing states. the principal deputy campaign manager is here. we will speak with former capitol police officer harry dunn about his role supporting the campaign. grab your coffee and tea of settled in and welcome to the weekend. just this morning, donald trump appearing on fox for pretaped interview where he unleashed a new tirade of lies as he awaits sentencing a 34 billing accounts. the friendly hosted no problem amplifying those lies.

here is just a snapshot of how the leader of the republican party defended himself while attacking both democrats and the justice system. >> these people are sick. they are sick. they are deranged. i talk about the enemy, the afc down the enemy from within, but the enemy from within are doing damage to this country. that's all coming out of washington. you may think it's break take a look at who open the case. >> joining us is ruth ben-ghiat professor of history at nyu and author of strongmen. sheep publishes a newsletter on sub stick. residential historian michael and msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin. good morning, all. >> good morning. i just want to start with you. i think it's important coming off of this trial for you, if you could, give us some historical context in terms of the rhetoric that trump is now

pumping out which is elevated in more animated around, not just the system being rigged, but as we noted in the lead-in, his supporters advocating online by reinforcing this idea that it is rigged with violence. what does this mean and how close is this to the authoritarian playbook being played out before our eyes? >> yeah, we are seeing obviously dangerous chapter that playbook. donald trump has, in a way, always run on the idea of violence as glamorous as violence which is a fascist idea that violence is a way to change history, not elections. there was a reuters articles saying one of his supporters in a chat room says it's time to kneecap some lefties. voting is not going to fix this. what fixes things as violence.

when a leader is in distress, his supporters, if they have bonded to him and he has -- like trump does, they can be very volatile and they can be easily manipulated. that is what trump knows how to do. he has always done this. those, panic, late into the night posts to them saying he is a political prisoner, i am your redemption. i am your retribution and then something happens to him, so then they're going to be existentially threatened. this makes for a very unsettling and volatile environment politically as well. >> along those lines, he also says, and i want to be clear, donald trump is a ruling interview he is having on another network right now that was pretaped. i want to play what he said about the public and him going to jail. i think it makes your point clearly, ruth.

>> i don't know that the public would stand up. i'm not sure the public would stand for it. i think it would be tough for the public to take. at a certain point there is a breaking point. >> he goes on to say at a certain point there is a breaking point. we have never seen something like this before in the united states, right, michael, from a former u.s. president. even richard nixon did not go this far. >> not a bit. did you see eisenhower to do something like this? let's have domestic terrorism to resolve who's going to be the next president. just as ruth said, this is a threat that goes through donald trump back to the early rallies of late 2015. remember when he used to say, and this was novel at the time and it has become old hat with him. look at those reporters in the hall.

mainstream press are bad people. the audience would boo and some were worried that there would be violence by some in the hall against reporters and other journalists who were trying to report on what was going on. that went back to george wallace. george wallace is not a major party candidate, but he ran as a third-party candidate in 1968 on a racist platform of at least latent violence and promise of violence. he used to say, for instance, if a college protester lies down and protest in front of my car, that will be the last car he ever lies down in front of. watching all of that was donald trump in queens in 1968. trump was a nixon supporter. nixon's approach in 1968 was to say the country is in chaos. there are riots in the cities. you can't walk safely in new york or washington. in the world, the world is in chaos. the united states cannot cope

with vietnam or north korea or other second-rate powers who are challenging our supremacy. trump and especially the people around him are and what about that. they would love to get to october and riots in the cities and chaos in the world so you get an independent voter, let's say, outside philadelphia or outside detroit saying, i loathe the donald trump. i hate he is a convicted felon. i hate the way he treats women, but i cannot stand this insecurity anymore and maybe we need a little bit of forest to settle dashboards to settle things down. i guarantee he will do everything to bring it about. >> those talking points are also coming from his supporters. one thing is this idea that it could've been brought seven years ago. >> that is a ridiculous notion. one, donald trump was president between january 2017 and january 2021.

the office that just prosecuted him is the same office that took its efforts just to get information from donald trump to the supreme court and back twice. by the time that alvin bragg took office, donald trump had only been gone from the presidency for a matter of months. then, he did what any responsible elected district attorney would do which is, i'm not just going to take the word of the people who have been here before, shepherding this investigation, but i will assure myself that if we bring a prosecution against the former president, the first ever, is going to be as bulletproof as it can be. that is what they did. the notion they could've brought the seven years ago, these are old, old claims that were recycling things almost a decade old, yes, the facts are almost a decade old, but that's forgetting all the intervening period of time in which either a manhattan prosecutor could not or was blocked from doing more because of donald trump's own actions.

>> ruth, i want to do the counterbalance. we have this raising up above authoritarianism and, you know, dictatorship as donald trump defines it. you have joe biden come back with a statement which i would like to play. i want to ask a question on the other side of it. >> the american principle that no one is above the law was reaffirmed. donald trump was given every opportunity to defend himself. it was a state case and not a federal case. it was heard by it jury of 12 citizens. 12 americans. 12 people like you. millions of americans who served on juries, this jury is chosen the same way every jury in america is chosen. >> a little bit of the addressing what lisa said in terms of how this thing came together, what type of case it

was. how effective most the countermeasure, the counter narrative be in the next five months leading up to the selection? in order to dilute or persuade -- i'm trying to find the right words to express -- >> wake the people up. >> what we as citizens need to do or make sure our neighbors and our friends who are not maga may be somewhat adjacent to trumpism but not all land don't get sucked in in this country can survive at the ballot box in november? >> yeah, i think biden was on the right path. there is a moving thing about this trial because -- the idea that no one is above the law is affirming a respect for the individual no matter who somebody is and with their

circumstances where they come from, they can have a fair and free trial in america. that is above any party. there is a chance he with messaging to get beyond partisanship and it's about democracy. the same with these jurors who were 12 ordinary people who decided to do their civic duty knowing this might be dangerous during and after. there are reports of them being threatened and text. it goes beyond any party. it is service to the nation. service to democracy. now is the time for us as americans to have conversations along those lines with our neighbors, family, people independent voters and even try with people in the maga because this is an existential moment

for our nation. you can say, is this what you really want? do you really want political violence and retribution? having studied fascism and other authoritarian regimes and donald trump making promises of war on americans, this is a way to go. >> ruth and michael. stick around. we have more we want to talk about because we want to get into other aspects of this conversation after a quick break. be sure to follow our show on social media. our handle everywhere is wow six times may change, but somethings remain timeless. i've been using dove beauty bar more than 25 years. dove is 1/4 moisturizing cream. ♪♪ i feel silky smooth.

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ruth ben-ghiat, michael beschloss, lisa rubin are back with us. what ruth was saying made me think about the fact that i think a lot of americans out here really believe that donald trump won't be able to go as rogue as he is saying. he will not be able to be a dictator on day one throughout his presidency because there are guardrails to stop him. i am most concerned about the fact that there are no guardrails. there are no guardrails for donald trump.

ruth ben-ghiat -- michael beschloss, under this current congress will not be a guard rail let alone republicans of congress. that she does speaker of the house was one of the cheerleaders of the stop the steal movement. the supreme court is not going to be a guard rail. we are still waiting for the immunity decision. the guardrails do not exist. who the president is matters and staff will be a guard rail because donald trump will not hire people that will try to hold him accountable like the generals of his last administration. >> take everything donald trump says extremely seriously. you are absolutely right. justices on the supreme court, we have seen it in the last month, are complicit. they are dragging their feet on presidential immunity on this case so this january 6 case cannot go forward before the election. that's not the only motive, but everything we know suggests a

majority of the justices are perfectly fine with that. that's a big flashing red light. if donald trump comes into the presidency and controls congress, you have seen the way leading republicans have reacted to this verdict. they are mimicking what he says. the verdict as part of a legal system and rule of law that is rotten and should be thrown out. you have a presidency, presidents have too much power. they run the department of justice. they run the defense department, fbi, bureau of prisons. if you have a president who wants to be a dictator, the founders and the constitution did not protect us. what is going to stop the? impeachment? how has it worked. he was impeached twice and it was like a snowflake falling on the potomac. all i am saying is if donald trump is selected, you have to

assume he is going to go through with his promise to be a dictator not for a day but perhaps the rest of our lifetimes. at the same time, wreck the rule of law that expands our pets and ensures people do not commit murder and arson and ensures investors want to invest in united states economy because it is stable. you have essentially a dictator was promising to wreck the system of laws with the complicity of certain people on the supreme court, certain people in congress, and so you have something we have never seen in american history, the promise of dictatorship and anarchy at the same time. is that what americans want in november? i don't think. >> symone is asking about guardrails and i think it's a right question to be asking give and what he is doing is setting up a future framework. in real time, think one of the guardrails is fact-checking all the things he is saying.

you have already fact checked the idea from him and other republicans that this should've been brought seven years ago, but that's not the only lie that is embedded in his rhetoric. >> there are so many it's hard to know where to start. one of the biggest lies is the gag order precluded him from testifying. let's break that apart for a second. the gag order as judge merchan told him patiently, only applies to extrajudicial statements meaning things you say out-of-court. to the extent donald trump feel some ruling of judge merchan made it impossible for him to testify, it was because next a provides for a visiting call the sandoval hearing. before defendant makes a decision about whether to testify, they are entitled to know what the current scope of the cross examination will be. during that hearing, judge merchan did not give the prosecutors everything that they wanted. in fact, he made it clear they were not allowed to ask him about other accusations of sexual misconduct but they were a lot, if you were to testify, to ask him about other prior rulings that have come down against him including the two

e. jean carroll rulings. the civil fraud ruling in the settlement about trump university. those were fair game because they bear on his credibility and they bear on his honesty with the jury. if donald trump wants to get out there now and say that precluded him from testifying, that was his decision and his decision alone. he was in no way blocked from taking the witness stand and the defense that his side put onto only put in two witnesses, one who was bob costello who had his own real problems on the stand. that too was their decision. they never called people who would've given an account, theoretically, partial to donald trump. his bodyguard are allen weisselberg, they could've called him despite the fact he is serving a term in rikers right now. for all those reasons, donald trump needs to be fact checked on that and as other characterizations of what happened in the courtroom that i sat in for all 22 days of the trial.

when his allies go out and say it was a trial that is rick, i find that funny in part because j.d. vance who should've for a morning or afternoon, sat with their heads on their phones the entire time. it's not clear what they took away from attending the trial other than performative lead to say they were there and go outside to speak to the cameras. the people who saw the trial day in and day out, 100 plus members of the press corps have a different take on what went on within the courtroom. those of us who were there should continue to bear witness and speak truth to his power. >> and speaking truth to power, this relates back to what symone raised about guardrails and the guardrail part of this is extremely important. the problem is the guardrails have been weekend. i give you mitt romney. mitt romney in an interview with the atlantic. alvin bragg should've settled the case against trump, as would've been the normal procedure.

you can talk to lisa about that. it would not have been. but he made a political decision. alvin bragg may have won the battle for now but he may have lost the political war. democrats think they can put out the term fire with oxygen. its political malpractice. for me, the political malpractice are statements like this. first off, goes against the logic of how the case unfolds and lisa touched on some with the defendant and prosecutors can do. but the bigger picture is the guardrails that's put in place by those who know better or should know better. who will stand in the defense of liberty instead of capitulating to authoritarianism. how dangerous is that piece as we talk about all these other aspects of this, if we are continually weakened by current leaders who do not have you know what to stand up to someone like trump as they said

in 2016, now having lived eight years of this, i would think they would be more inclined to do it but they are more inclined to capitulate. >> this is a cyst -- symptom of what i call the moral collapse of republicans and what we see from mitt romney as it has extended to blunt the edges of even people who are not maga. it shows -- it's happened other times and places, years of this has weakened people. they have moved so far to the right, even if they are not maga, they are not old-fashioned conservatives. old-fashioned conservatives don't back used overthrow the government. they do not want anarchy like michael was saying before. the other points to this is

maga has been waging a parallel information warfare to legal warfare. they are battling in the courtroom and trump has thousands of lawsuits for many years, that's how he operates way before he was president. there is information warfare. the reason those clones shut up with the red ties, it's very fascist, they have to remake themselves in the image of the leader and physically as well. that is very scary. that also shows you how far we have fallen and how these things happened over time. the purpose of coming was to show loyalty to trump, but the real purpose, that's why vance was there tweeting, is to disseminate the propaganda talking points. the gop is an autocratic entity and has a partyline. you see how these responses about the trial and the verdict

have been very coordinated, and that is something that is also a huge success of trump's and a huge liability for our democracy. >> all right, ruth ben-ghiat, michael beschloss, lisa rubin, thank you for starting the morning. as president biden lays out a path to a cease-fire in gaza, benjamin netanyahu confirms the deal. but, there is a catch. congressman eric swalwell in the indefensible defense of donald trump. you are watching the weekend. no, my denture's uncomfortable! dracula, let's fight back against discomfort. with new poligrip power max hold & comfort. it has superior hold plus keeps us comfy all day with it's pressure absording layer. time for a bite! if your mouth could talk it would ask for... poligrip. wanna know a secret? more than just my armpits stink. that's why i use secret whole body deodorant... everywhere. 4 out of 5 gynecologists

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in a permanent cease-fire. overnight in tel aviv, tens of thousands of protesters mobilized in support of the deal. the latest protest urging netanyahu to support a cease- fire deal that secures the release of israeli hostages. joining us now is msnbc political -- i just elevated you . he is the former under secretary of state for public diplomacy and public affairs. welcome, richard. >> we had a president of public affairs. i think he would be great, honestly. >> i have to run for reelection. >> this is true and we will need to check if you have felonies, but then again, it's not in the rulebook apparently. you know, what struck me about this deal is it was president biden that went out and

announced it where it is usually something like this, we would've seen something come from the negotiators or the qatari's are the israelis themselves. it was president biden that announce the deal and now we know through reporting that he did get a heads up to the israelis in addition to prime minister netanyahu that he would do this. right before he did it. this is not -- the united states negotiated this but the is something they agreed to. now it seems they are trying to message around it to their conservative base in israel. is that your read on it? >> that sounds right. to take a step back what biden was doing is calling everybody's bluff. it's like the game we played when we were kids and you were sneaking around in a dark room and someone turns the lights on and you have to freeze where you are? that's what he was

trying to do. he was trying to freeze where the israelis were and thomas and to show how close it was. he wanted to make sure he was buttoning that up. i think we are seeing that to be true in most instances, hamas expressed positive response to it. israel has as well. as you say, the tricky part is netanyahu's extreme right-wing coalition partners do not like it and could withdraw from the government, which would cause a lot of turbulence in israel. >> richard, how does this play out when benjamin netanyahu comes to washington, he is excepted congresses invitation despite the blowback, and he wrote publicly he's looking forward to the opportunity to present the truth to congress about the just war that israel has been waging in gaza since october 7. two symone's point,

i am looking at the chessboard and i like the moves president biden is making ahead of a potential visit by netanyahu. set the scene for us from both leader's standpoint in front of the congress. >> michael, you remember when netanyahu address the joint session of congress while barack obama was president much to president obama's chagrin. part of what he does, with american leaders, he won't do for kind of button-down, and he has been recalcitrant with president biden who has been israel's greatest supporter. that's in part the reason biden gave that speech. i think it is a tricky operation for netanyahu to come here, particularly now when the negotiations are reaching a kind of crescendo.

he will want to nail something in, as you said, but the just war. i don't think the timing is great, and while we are not members of the international criminal court, affect the international criminal court has just indicted netanyahu , not a good look for him to be coming to speak to a joint session of congress. >> there was news today, i'm not sure if you saw, president zelenskyy tweeting about meeting with secretary austin. i met with u.s. secretary of defense lloyd austin and we discussed the key issues the defense needs of our country bolstering their defense system, they have 16 coalition, and drafting of a bilateral security agreement. i am grateful to potus for making a decision regarding defensive strikes with american weapons on enemy territory to effectively counter russian attempts to expand the combat zone. sort of a reminder that this administration, like others before it, being forced to walk and chew gum at the same time.

>> yes, and there are some parallels. biden and tony blinken, secretary of state, across their own redline and allowing american weapons to be used in some instances on russian territory. i cannot emphasize enough how detrimental it was to ukraine, the boycott and affect the speaker of the house engaged in in terms of not sending weapons to ukraine, not approving a budget for ukraine. that had set them back in a time when they were making progress in the war. president zelenskyy is doing a tap dance to try to make sure that he gets the weapons in time to stop the russian offensive. again, all wars always end in the same place, at the negotiating table. president zelenskyy is trying to set the parameters for that negotiation which will eventually happen. >> rick stengel, thank you for waking up with us.

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tomorrow the biden campaign will hold a rally to launch black voters in detroit. this comes after president biden and vice president kamala harris made a rare joint campaign appearance in philadelphia last week. the event kicked up their new black voter outreach strategy. a helpful reminder to voters about trump's history of racism. joining us is a principal deputy campaign manager for biden/harris 2024. >> good morning. you first or may 1? >> you first.

>> we are ready for you. let's talk about this idea of going and rallying the black vote. the event in philadelphia for all intents and purposes, a success. i think everybody got the vibe and it went well. the narratives coming out of that was very strong. there still remains the fact that you have to do it. there are a lot of reasons beyond reminding voters of trump's racism which is stark, but how do you begin to address the economic, the educational, the health care concerns of african americans across the nation. i want to play for you a sound from jamaal bowman who was on her show yesterday and for me, he hits the moment that i think it will be important in the narrative you are creating.

let's take a listen. >> hit american streets. hit the streets of black and brown communities and go to young people and come to the bronx and to set up a stage and give a speech. have real conversations with real people in the streets. we are not doing that. >> what say you? >> i say we are. the president cannot meet every single black voter that's in the country. our campaign is doing everything we can to make sure we are putting boots on the ground and organizing and communities the tradition agency democratic campaigns. georgia, north carolina, and rural places where the majority of black voters are. the democrats don't go and we will continue to do the work in places like atlanta and milwaukee and pennsylvania. all those types of places. we have to have that reach so i do not disagree with what jamaal bowman is saying but i say we have been and we have

prioritize the president and vice president when they go into communities, sitting down and having conversations. we did that in north carolina where the president sat down with a single father with two kids. a black father to talk about what he is feeling and what's going on in his community. the president has done that and other places as well. i do not disagree that we have to do both and continue to make sure we're talking about the stakes at the election and hearing from african american voters of black voters around the country that the things they feel are standing in the way and how we can fix them. >> what struck me about the launch in philly, and we will play sound from that in a moment, was it was not just a one campaign event but the launch of a national organizing program. we have talked before about the work the campaign has been doing in terms of ads in that historic investment. the organizing program, when i asked for more information, did

not know that you debt i'm looking at the black community dinner in mesa, arizona. all of these local prominent black elected officials. a press conference in charlotte with the mayor. a beauty shop conversation in detroit, michigan, with a state senator. the campaign is leveraging local trusted voices, local elected officials, to rally around the cause. i find that a critical piece of organizing. you are not just drive just dropping in. there's a two pronged approach. >> absolutely. it has to be. that's a big calculus for us. going back to jamaal bowman's point. the closer you are to the street the better read you have any. president biden understands what the country needs globally but we have to utilize surrogates on the ground. fixing problems with african american men and having to do direct outreach to them,

leveraging black mayors across the country. communicating on the ground to these audiences and we have to do that. we did launch black voters for biden/harris in philadelphia but we had subsequent events, 65 across the battleground states leveraging the national advisory board members, coaches, mayors, local officials. if you cannot meet all these voters in person, how do you get the message out there? use people they vote for and they see every day. we are leveraging that on top of the organizing program where building. >> one of the things we are interested in on the show is the gross inequity in the justice system that donald trump is laid bare from the way he has been treated in the way he has railed against it in the aftermath of his conviction. i want you to listen to a president biden said in philadelphia on wednesday. >> what would happen of black americans at storm the capitol?

i don't think you debt he would be talking about pardons. the same guy who wanted to tear gas you as you peacefully protested george floyd's murder. >> speak to how you articulate this inequity and talk about how the campaign is understanding its relationship to going after donald trump on this criminal conviction? >> look, two things can be true at one time. donald trump is a convicted felon and he will be the republican nominee for president and we have to beat them at the ballot box. when articulating the issues in this particular clip is it's a known thing. when i'm in barbershops talking about relating to real people, that's out january 6 talk among the black community there. if they look like us, it would not of been played out that we. it wouldn't be talk of pardons and all that. understanding that when talking

about democracy and working those remarks into what the president is saying, that's how you do it and that's what we will continue to do. but we saw's nobody is above the law also. that even a former president. we are clear and we have been since the beginning that the way in which we will get rid of donald trump and put them in the rearview of america is at the ballot box and that's why our campaign is doing the. there are gross inequities in the justice system, particularly for black and brown people. it's fitting that even trump on the other side of this, even the central park five mac, exonerated five were found innocent, they -- he was still calling for the death penalty. we have seen what he is doing. railing against the justice system where he had a fair trial. his attorney was able to be in the jury selection system and it's a way it works. he has the right to appeal but convicted felon or not, does not change his views before he was a convicted felon and his vision for america was the same as it is post him being a

convicted felon saw job remains the same. we will continue to do the work to make sure we are drawing the contrast every day that he is only in the campaign for revenge or retribution from seven political extremism. bloodbath, unified bright. if he goes to jail, he doesn't believe the country can take it. he believes he is above the law and does not care who he steps on to make his points i get what he wants. it's only self-serving. >> we are out of time, but a lot of the black supporters of donald trump and there are few, if they exist, and a lot of them. they are saying this conviction will help him with black voters. i wonder if the campaign has a response to that? >> i will speak as an african american male and i find it offensive that anybody who can say that trump being found guilty of 34 felonies will help him with communities of color. i think it perpetuates

ridiculous stereotypes and our society the things we are trying to crack down. you've got to ignore noise like that. i find it foolish. >> and a black man and hispanic man to echo that to the community. >> absolutely. >> thank you very much. former capitol police officer harry done joins a table after one of the greatest actors of all time defended his heroism. tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern, watch msnbc prosecuting donald trump witness to history. a personal look inside the courtroom and expert legal advice and analysis with our upcoming guest andrew weissmann. >> the drama of this particular criminal case against trump is both lurid and cogent and full of amazing characters and has enough surprise to make every witness kind of a cliffhanger.

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might have missed the launch of the black voters for biden/harris. we talk a lot what the campaign needs to do to engage these different constituencies of joe biden wants to shore up his coalition before november. that launch was on the same day that folks were covering everybody. not just msnbc, all the other networks, were covering the trial . it didn't get played on tv in real time. i really think people need to look at what is being done from both campaigns to engage like voters. we have seen substantive engagement and some very offensive engagement if we can call it engagement. >> we have the sound of vice president harris. let's listen to it. >> if he wins a second term, i promise you, he will go even further. all of this is to say, who sits in the white house matters. it

matters. [ applause ] it matters for the people of america and for people around the world. >> the problem is that a lot of americans do not think it matters to the extent they see little difference between donald trump and joe biden. they look at trump's four years family and the success of this administration is somehow bad or harmful. not only is there a communication narrative that is out of whack, think, this was a point i was making to quentin at the end, i think it is going to be the voices of people who look like the communities they are trying to attract and remind the differences between four years of donald trump versus

the last four years of joe biden, having black men talking to the community and having hispanic men talking to the community. i really think jamaal bowman put it out there the right way. you will not have joe biden on the streets every day. we know that. that's not practical. there are ways in which the campaign can be present in the neighborhoods -- >> i think they're doing it. i'm pulling backup this email i saw. i had no idea they were engaging in all these different ways and spaces and places in the local communities across the country like this. it ramped up last week. we do need to see more of it. being in the barbershops, beauty shops, the local press conferences, the community dinners, that's the kind of engagement that jamaal bowman was talking about. they did not shatter from the mountain tops. i found out last

night. >> maybe we see that effort start to show up in some polling. again, i'm not looking at national polling. i want to see the polling in the spaces where they are doing the work to see if they are moving the needle. even if they have an advantage, you need to greater advantage going into this november election because the lies are already in motion. donald trump is telling you. if any other result other than his winning this election, it's a fraud, it's a lie, it's rigged. we got to be prepared, smart about that, and putting information out there now so when it happens in november, we already know the lie, what it is and how to deal with the. >> michael. >> we have so much more to continue talking about. we have another hour of the weekend that's coming up after

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