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that's going to do it for the weekend of the sunday morning. we will see you back here next saturday at 8:00 a.m. eastern. be sure to follow us on social media at the weekend msnbc. in the meantime, guess what? we get to velshi. he starts right now. take it away, my man. >> good morning, i enjoyed your show as i always did. i was waiting quietly to see if you would bring out an animal or something like that but i understand, you can't do it every show. have yourselves a great rest of the week and i will see you later. >> goodbye, ali. >> velshi starts now. >> good morning, sunday june 2nd. no secret donald trump's speeches and interviews are challenged to cover. he's proven himself to be a serial liar with no regard for the truth even when presented with evidence immediately contradicting his claims. he's not lying, he has early

insults and disparaging comments about those with whom, who views he doesn't share or those he sees as enemies. is also known to go on racist, sexist or otherwise offensive tirades in the middle of speeches. in addition to all of that it is often difficult to understand what he is actually saying because he is a blustery speaker who often goes on aimless tim -- tangents. he has a tendency to ramble. given his supporters know how long and boring his speeches can be, many of them often leave rallies on before he finishes speaking. in sum, there's typically little value to listening to donald trump's speeches or o pressers in full but ignoring him is hardly the solution. after all he was once the most powerful man in the world and he's presently locked in a tight race to possibly return to the white house despite being impeached, indicted and now convicted of a crime. predictably, immediately after the jury delivered the guilty

verdict on thursday afternoon, the former president began his disinformation campaign from right outside the court room. he sought to undermine the historic conviction by proclaiming the real verdict will be november 5th by the people. white -- while trump's speeches are short on substance they can be revealing of his mental state especially after moments like this. the morning after the jury convicted him, trump gave remarks from the lobby of trump tower but instead of giving comments about the trial he opened with a false and xenophobic claim. >> when you look at our country, what is happening, where millions and millions of people are flowing in from all parts of the world, not just south america, from africa, from asia, and the middle east and they are coming from jails and prisons, and they are coming in from mental institutions and insane asylum's. >> part of what he said when he walked out of court on thursday.

is part of the trump political playbook from the beginning. when he needs to deflect from his problems he gives immigrants of color to scape goat the threat that they pose and when he feels the political pressure he escalates more as he did later on in his speech. >> you have china within the last few months, 29,000 people came in in. i looked at them on a line and they look like perfect soldiers. they are almost all male, from 19 to 25. looks like a recruiting exercise. they have beautiful tents, they have propane stoves. they have cell phones. the best you can buy. i said, what is going on? looks like they are building an army right in our country. >> is anti-asian statements are inexcusable, irresponsible and dangerous. even more disturbing, his claims he's actually seen these tens of thousands of people

coming in and suggesting that they pose a danger to the country. during the same speech trump similarly escalated rhetoric about one sean, the judge who presided over his criminal trial. >> you saw what happened to the witnesses on our side. they were literally crucified by this man. who looks like an angel, but he's really a devil. he looks so nice and soft. people say, he seems like such a nice man. unless he saw him in action. >> nbc news reported thursday that judge mershon has been the target of many baseless right- wing conspiracies feeling a new round of threats against him and since the verdict was announced trump supporters are launching a similar assault against the anonymous jurors who convicted the former president. to say this is unbecoming of a leading presidential candidate would be an understatement. this isn't new information but it is worth reminding people how unhinged and self-serving donald trump is. joining me is barbara res, former executive vice president of the trump organization and author of tower of life, what my 18 years of working with

donald trump reveals about him. good morning, thank you for being with us. i have been looking forward to talking to you. the donald trump that we saw after the court case seemed to different. he seemed more under pressure. he seemed angrier. the words coming out of his mouth seemed less cogent than normal. what are you seeing about donald trump after this conviction? >> well i think that immediately, when the conviction came in, he probably was very surprised and very shocked. i think he was very shaken. and he was angry and that is what it shows, he was very angry and didn't give up on the anger. as he was leaving he put his hand on the shoulder or whatever, he was unsteady but gradually he started realizing that the spin had to happen and he started working on the spin. i think he was very shocked that he was convicted.

i don't think he expect that that. >> this morning he was giving an interview with fox news or they interviewed, the first since he was convicted. let's listen together to a little about what he said about his upcoming sentencing. >> the judge can decide on jail. >> i am okay with it. i saw one of my lawyers the other day on television sing, you don't want to do that, i said you don't back for anything. it's just the way it is. >> this is interesting because donald trump is a guy that doesn't generally face consequences in his life. and now he's saying he is okay with incarceration, he's okay with going to jail. his behavior since the conviction, as you have. -- you and i have been discussing suggested otherwise. is your read on that? >> everyone in the world, right- wing, left-wing, crazies, all basically said the judge is not going to put him into jail.

he's trying to make himself look, how strong i am. i can handle the jail. let them put me in jail. that is his attitude and that is what he's project to who i call the crazies but some of them are crazy. the people who support him. >> you are right, it is a key point you make either way, they are not all crazy. they are wealthy billionaires who in the last week decided they are going to support donald trump. what you make of that, that this seems to be a willful denial of who donald trump is, it is not just the conviction it is the idea this man on a weekly basis tells it up another few notches. he says something that much more shocking. his tirade about immigrants the other day. and yet mainstream americans, typically wealthy americans, he has threatened them. if joe biden wins, your taxes are going up. if you support me, texas will go down and they have forgotten about democracy and are fine

with all of that is going on because they want taxes to be lower. >> i don't think that many wealthy people have considered democracy. not unlike donald trump, and i know that many, many from my experience with him, they think -- so they really don't care. when he says that taxes are going to be raised, that works for the people that are what i call upper-middle-class. because they know, what they want is what trump started with, which is lowering all the taxes for corporations, but the big thing is, getting rid of the regulations and easing up on regulations because that means millions and billions and gazillions to these companies and to the rich people. they don't care about anything but money. >> right, and it is an interesting point and it is fair because if you never lived without democracy or as democracy as a threat, it is an

abstraction. how do you connect that to people? how do you say that, and you know him better than most, does he mean what he says? he threatens to do things that will undo democracy and a lot of people write that off. they say it is bluster, it is donald trump talking but i think that donald trump 2024 is more sophisticated than donald trump. >> he is more sophisticated but he's a little bit slower, i think. but let me take you back to 2016 and think about people i knew voting for him. we didn't know how horrible he was then. i said, roe v. wade is going to go. never, never. nothing will ever change roe v. wade. the lefties said it as well as the right and look what happened. so when trump, he says something, and important to him, it makes him rich and it gets him more supporters, yet, he means it. he will do those things.

you will certainly go after his enemies with a vengeance. >> let's talk about that. he used terms retribution. uses language that has been used by dictators in the past and there is the sense that he has targets. he's got people he will go after if he becomes president again. i don't know what going after looks like but are you concerned this could be an administration of vengeance against those who he perceives to be his opposition and that would include you, that would include me, the media, prosecutors. it would include lots and lots and lots of people. >> yeah, i do believe that he intends to do that and that we will have vengeance, the presidency will be about vengeance. there is no question about it. >> barbara, thank you. it is always good to talk to you, even in weird circumstances like this. we have conversations that i never imagined we would be having. barbara res is former executive vice president of the trump organization and multiple

books as well as tower of life, what my 18 years working with donald trump reveals about him. up next, it is tough to keep track of legal issues. we will break out the scorecard to take stock of the situation and coming up, the symbol of the insurrection over the home of the supreme court justice about to weigh in on presidential immunity. is only the start of the story of a comprised court, -- compromise court spiraling into chaos. i will talk to the great melissa murray about this. i will talk to two now former biden administration officials who recently resigned over u.s. policy regarding the war in gaza. you are watching velshi on msnbc. msnbc. are now being analyzed and restored using the power of dell ai. ♪

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we've got a verdict. >> we are looking at count one, guilty. count two, guilty. count three, guilty. count four, guilty. count five, guilty. those are the first five counts

coming out of this jury. count 31, guilty. count 32, guilty. count 33, 34, guilty. that is donald j trump, defendant in york versus donald trump found guilty on all 34 felony counts. that is the verdict here in this case. >> last thursday was an historic day, the first time any american president has been convicted of a crime. donald trump was found guilty on all 34 felony charges in the new york hush money cover case but we can forget this isn't the only loss the disgraced former president has suffered in court in recent years. in fact he's on somewhat of a losing streak. let's take a look. december of 2022, new york jarvie convicted the trump organization on 17 charges of tax fraud stemming from off the books payments and gifts for executives. the company was it with the maximum fine of $1.6 million

and the former cfo of the trump organization, allen weisselberg was sentenced to five months in jail after pleading guilty to perjury. in may of last year a federal jury found trump liable for sexual assault and defamation against the writer and columnist e. jean carroll. he was ordered to pay carol $5 million initially for sexually abusing her in a dressing room in the mid-1990s and defaming her on truth social in 2022. then in january, another jury rolled he defamed her back in 2019 when her allegations against trump were first made public and order trump to cough up an additional $83.3 million. there's also the new york state fraud lawsuit in which a judge found that trump, the trump organization and several of its executives defrauded banks and insurance companies by inflating the value of certain trump properties. the ruling was handed down in september and in february, the judge levied a fine in excess

of $450 million including interests. so up until last week donald trump was 0-3 if he was a baseball player, maybe his batting coach would tell him to stop swinging. thursday made him 0-4 when a jury of peers in lower manhattan found him guilty of 34 counts of falsifying business records to cover up an affair with the adult film actress stormy daniels. the sentencing in this case is set for july 11th. so these are all the cases that have been decided but trump is caught up in three other criminal cases that are currently stalled. there is the federal election interference case, being prosecuted by the special counsel jack smith which hit a snag because the u.s. supreme court is still weighing trump's claim of presidential immunity. then there's the federal classified documents case, also being prosecuted by jack smith, which is also stalled because u.s. district court judge eileen cannon in florida has pushed back the trial date

indefinitely to resolve a number of pretrial motions. than the election interference case in georgia being prosecuted by fulton county district attorney bonnie willis which has been hampered following an attempt by the trump team to remove willis from the prosecution for having a romantic relationship with the lead prosecutor she hired. although the judge in that case, scott mcafee rolled willis can remain on the case is yet to set a trial date. and this, all these cases being delayed is as close as donald trump is getting to a win in court right now if you can delay them for long enough to win back the presidency, he will doubtless find a way to make these cases go away. away.

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two january 6th related case is before the court. one of which is donald trump's claim of presidential immunity. this, after the revelation in days after january 6th, and upside down flag was flown outside his virginia home. it is a symbol that is understood to be a show of support for donald trump's lies about the 2020 election and one that was flown by insurrectionist at the y it. on thursday the supreme court chief justice john roberts declined a meeting with top senate democrats to discuss the issue. siding quote, separation of power concerns. on friday, came the sad sorry punchline from the heritage foundation. the organization behind donald trump's dystopian project 2025, which is described as an 887 page bucket list of right wing extremist policies for a new trump era. so that after trump was found guilty of 34 felonies, and with the flat controversy hanging over a compromise supreme court, the heritage foundation blew the upside down american

flag and shared on social media. in this context, the upside down flag can serve as more than one symbol. it shows allegiance to the january 6th insurrectionist, sure, and served as a protest against the rule of law that prevailed in trump's criminal hush money cover up case. that symbol was flying over the home of a supreme court justice who will help decide if donald trump will be permitted to use presidential immunity to make his legal troubles disappear. joining me is melissa murray, professor of law at nyu and cohost of the legal podcast scrutiny and msnbc legal analyst. good to see you, thank you for being with us. i want to talk about the flag and the normalizing of this weird symbol. but more importantly, attention has been drawn by americans onto problems at the supreme court and how we are supposed to deal with them when supreme court justices themselves say, not going to do and the chief justice says not going to engage in the conversation. how do we move forward?

>> i will say, this is the most i have seen of upside down american flags in my lifetime, just this week. that by itself, i think is notable. but you are exactly right, the supreme court has for a long time existed as its own law enforcement arm. they get to decide when they have crossed the line, when recusal is required, and no one can really check them. here in this particular instance, justice alito has decided that because the flag was flown apparently by his wife, not by him and because it has nothing to do with him, he is not obliged to recuse himself from these two cases involving january 6th, where again, the statement of this flat phone upside down was also prevalent. it is also important for your viewers to remember that the inquiry from senators durbin and white house was directed to

the chief justice asking him to come in and discuss the supreme court ethics. justice alito issued his letter explaining things in advance of the chief justice himself, responding. and that was a telling signal. essentially saying, you don't need to talk to the chief justice. that guy has no power here. he cannot make me do anything. i am the one you need to talk to and i say i don't have to recuse. >> so this is tricky because for those of us seeing upside down sex, i am not familiar with this. i wasn't familiar with the whole thing but when you think about how you fix the supreme court if something needs to be fixed and it is reasonable in a democratic society you learn after 100 years or 50 years or 200 years that things need to be fixed, how we do it. a couple of weeks ago house democrats launched a task force with the intention of serious supreme court reform, mostly surrounding ethics concerns you're talking about. what is achievable? what should the average person watching this thing should be done about this? >> there's a lot we can say about court reform.

the ethics part is really only the tip of the iceberg. but there are real things that congress can do. there's an actual congressional statute that applies to federal judges that demands recusal in the situation where there is an appearance of impartiality. i think that might be the situation we have, that congress could enforce that, the department of justice could enforce that. jamie raskin, is a democrat from maryland suggested that the department of justice, could lean on the view that any information before the court, where that recusal or that appearance of impartiality is not obvious, might demand as a matter of constitutional due process that addresses recuse themselves. but there is more of a mundane and anodyne solution. the court does not fund itself. he gets appropriations for all its operations and activities from congress and if the supreme court justices won't talk about ethics, they have in the past gone to congress to discuss the need for more appropriations, the need for

renovations to the supreme court building or funding for particular operations. congress called them on the auspices of discussing funding and can withhold funding until there is a more tooth some code of ethics. >> legally speaking, and we are getting into heady territory. what could one say that congress doesn't really have authority over the way the supreme court works and fiddling with funding might be seen as inappropriate way to deal with this? >> it is not obvious congress doesn't have any say over how things work at the supreme court, certainly congress passed laws demanding certain ethics and guardrails for the supreme court and that is perfectly plausible and within the scope of the separation of powers. i am suggesting simply that if the court will not observe the basic statutes to which members are obliged and duty-bound to uphold, you can also pursue this other option, which is

turn off the lights of the court. if the court won't be serious about the question of rick rizal. and no one is saying justice alito himself flew the flag upside down. what people are saying is that you can make the inference, the reasonable person can infer this lag was flown and it can send a message and allowing it to fly over his homestead, justice alito signaled his assent to that message, which raises questions about whether or not in these important cases involving january 6th, he can be impartial. >> i want to go back to the flag thing, the heritage foundation. is there danger in skipping past how this could be, the impression of impartiality, could be the appearance of partiality because we are normalizing it. does the heritage foundation flying the flag upside down people think that everybody flies an upside down flag. nothing is all that serious. >> certainly in the course of the week we have become and emphasize to the appearance of the upside down flag. you recall in the day after the new york jury delivered its verdict, donald trump left

trump tower in a caravan of limousines with the american flag flown on the top of those cars upside down as well. so it is apparently becoming a trend. but i do think it is important to think about how all these things are connected. the heritage foundation is not simply a conservative think tank. it is a think tank that along with the federalist society and leonard liao has been instrumental during the trump administration in and stopping the lower federal courts with movement conservatives, who are younger and who have very clear ideas about a more conservative and more right-wing vision of the united states government. >> good to see you as always, thank you for being with us. melissa murray is professor of law at nyu and cohost of the strict scrutiny podcast and co- author of the trump indictments, the charging documents with commentary. an historic election underway in mexico with 20,000 positions up for grabs. and the country is set to elect

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to punctuate our coverage, tonight at 9:00, and business nbc is up with us special called prosecuting donald trump. witness to history. a personal look inside the courtroom of the criminal trial in new york featuring eyewitness accounts from rachel maddow, joy reid, and others from the msnbc team who experienced the trial

firsthand. plus expert legal analysis led by andrew wiseman. listen to this. >> when she came in, all of us took a deep breath. no one expected. we don't know who the witnesses are until that day. for a reason. the prosecution protects the witnesses and so the resources we might figure out who the witness is maybe one hour beforehand and that morning donald trump had a heck -- had posted who the witness was and they had them prepared and that person should be able to take the stand. so the minute he had posted that and by the way, deleted it one hour later, we said, it's going to be stormy daniels. day when she came in, and a jumpsuit with her hair piled on top of her head, wearing glasses and not looking at all like the adult film star that we remembered. i have since come to learn, because her lawyer said this on

another media outlet, she was wearing a bulletproof vest and that accounted i think for her appearance as well. she was wearing an outfit that accommodated her wearing an -- wearing a bulletproof vest because she felt her life with the risk in coming to court and testifying against former president trump. >> there is donald trump, known to millions of people as the orange turd who has to sit there for the first time in his life having to listen to himself being called an orange turd. and the person doing that is his defense lawyer thinking that somehow harms stormy daniels. it was a pointless exercise and attempt to make stormy daniels look like a bad person. >> you can watch the msnbc special, prosecuting donald trump, witness to history at 9:00 eastern on msnbc. it will stream thereafter, on peacock. moore velshi after the break . .

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few international conflicts in recent memory have triggered social and political leverage is in american society, putting liberal values and capacity for tolerance to the test. these formative periods shape the respective generations giving rise to their own forms of mccarthyism, protest movements and political dissent. among them, the vietnam war, the gulf war, the war on terror, and now gaza. this week, two more u.s. officials resigned over the gaza war, using the biden administration of not being transparent about the israeli obstruction of humanitarian aid to the more than 2 million starving palestinians, trapped inside the tiny strip. that brings the total number of american officials that have publicly resigned to nine, one of whom was a member of the u.s. air force who set himself on fire in front of the israeli embassy in washington as he shouted new palestine. according to one of our next

guest, two dozen more officials have left the biden administration quietly. on tuesday, stacy gilbert, senior state department official from the bureau of population refugees and migration resigned in protest of a may report delivered to congress that concluded that israel is not blocking humanitarian aid deliveries to the gaza strip. i spoke with her on tv last night. she accused the administration of twisting backs for political reasons and said that she's convinced israel is violating international humanitarian law. gilbert is a 20 year veteran of the state department, she resigned after concluding it was futile to continue working on gaza from within the government. also resigning tuesday was alexander smith, a contractor for the u.s. agency for international development, usaid for short. smith step down after his international -- internal presentation on maternal and child mortality among palestinians was abruptly canceled.

in the days before it was canceled smith was told to make several rejections including removing a slide referring to international humanitarian law and deleting any language suggesting recognition of the palestinian state. smith says after his presentation was canceled he faced an ultimatum of resignation or dismissal. and he chose to speak out. in his resignation to the agency, smith expressed frustration with usaid's treatment of palestinians writing, i cannot do my job in an environment in which specific people cannot be acknowledged as fully human. or where gender and human rights principles apply to some, but not to others, depending on the race, and quote. two other officials to resign since the war in gaza began our lily greenberg and josh paul. they join me today. greenberg, appointed by president biden to the u.s. interior department cited the president's endorsement of genocide. paul resigned to 10 days after hamas launched its october 7th attack becoming the first public the known resignation.

he cited washington's blind support for israel. lily greenberg and josh paul join me now. welcome both of you. thank you for being with us. lily, want to start with you. if anybody wants to hear your words you have written this out. in an op-ed, why you came to the conclusion you came to. tell me why you did hear >> as an american jew, i come from communities impacted by this war. i felt the president using the language of jewish safety to justify the palestinians were over 30,000 people, 15,000 are killed and i can no longer serve at the pleasure of the president doing that, and using my community to justify that. it doesn't make us safer and it doesn't make palestinians safe. >> but you are aware of the tensions and the idea that

there is rising anti-semitism. you can hold both of the thoughts in your mind. >> absolutely, and there is rising anti-semitism. i am terrified of that. there's also anti-'s -- anti- palestinian racism happening because of the continued u.s. backed assault on palestinians. jewish safety and palestinian freedom and oppositional to each other and if anything, i don't want to leave my jewish nest -- at the door. it goes against the values i was raised with to kill people, to starve them, to make them refugees. these are counter to what it means to be jewish and i know that, and there's plenty of people within my community that due. according to recent polling that was released last week, over half of american jew -- if there is invasion of rafah. there is invasion of rafah. dispense strikes with u.s. weapons, confirmed by multiple outlets. israeli tanks are rolling through rafah. calling biden's bluff and it is

time to listen to the majority of people within the administration. the majority of the american people and the majority of american jews. >> josh, you left early. in hopes that it would send a real signal, i assume, to the administration to rethink their strategy. since then others have left, criticism has grown about the administration's position on israel. talk to me about, when you do things like this, you hope for some change and you hope to see that change occur in a timely manner. have you seen change and are you seeing something happening now with the administration are you are as frustrated as you were when you left? >> i left because it was clear already, 10 days into the thing, that bombs we were providing to israel were used to violate international law. and this has remained, ever since then, a competition between facts in politics. the experts within government have resigned, some publicly, some not publicly, the ones pushing from the inside are on the side effects.

unfortunately politics have not shifted. but when i resigned i did so in part because i could not be part of authorizing the transfer of onset of killed thousands of innocents. adult -- also u.s. military support was an issue worthy of debate, and that debate has not been happening inside government. so i felt it was important that debate will happen in society and there i am pleased and proud to say it has indeed, from college campuses, to government -- and the international sphere as well. >> lily, let's talk about, you are a supporter of the administration. i don't know whether you are but you politically support them. you are a democrat. there are some who argue that leaving hurts the administration and the consequence is that if it strengthens donald trump that is even worse or whatever it is you are concerned about. tell me how you think it through. >> i am absolutely terrified of a trump presence in -- trump

presidency which is why i worked on the campaign in 2020 and worked for the administration. it is why i, for months and others have been pushing the president to stop this disastrous policy that is not only killing thousands of palestinians but alienating voters in the united states. it is alienating staff like myself who work for the president. it is alienating young voters, the people i organize college students in 2020, they turned out on campus for biden, volunteers spent 40 hours a week in the months leading up to the election and so it is up to the president to prevent another trump presidency and he can do that if he enforces this deal and stops sending weapons to israel. >> let's talk about that, the deal that is on the table right now. it was a present to some of us that joe biden made this announcement from the white house because there have been deals that have looked like they came close and haven't happened. so it made some of us think if joe biden is going to do this

from the white house, there must be something behind it. i was taken to aaron david- miller who said it's not immaculate conception for the president to say there is a possible deal means there's a lot of pressure going on in the background to make it happen. i would like your evaluation on this. >> first of all, i think we should welcome any deal that leads to a cease-fire, leads to a cessation of killing and expands significantly, the inflow of humanitarian assistance that is separate -- that is desperately needed. however i'm not sure, to put it mildly that we have a good- faith partner in the israeli government, and the prime minister netanyahu himself. who of course, his personal interest does not align with that of president biden, and i don't know whether it will be a matter of days or weeks or months, but one can easily see how -- in his interest to sabotage the deal, and that is one thing we have to keep an eye on. the other thing, this deal does nothing to ultimately advance

palestinian self-determination. and it is the absence of this they should that determination, as it is the root cause of the conflict. so i would hate to see a deal that doesn't advance and gets essentially, it leaves us in several months where we were a year ago. albeit with gaza much more devastated and the people in that much more desperate situation. i think the other question to ask is why it is taking so long, as he said, parameters are not new. it is not something that has not been floated before. why has it taken so many months for president biden to come to this deal and announce this and push through. >> that is your point, that there have been options. america has had options all along in being able to pressure israel to do more. and it hasn't. and i'm curious about this because it sounded i october 8th, that joe biden had sent a warning to israel to say, don't do the wrong thing, don't do what we did in afghanistan and is stuck in a long protracted war. what do you think happened and why was it so difficult for this administration to even get

to the point we are at this week? >> unfortunately i cannot speak for the administration leadership because like you, and like many others across the country have been confused. about this very question because it is clear that they are not listening to their colleagues, or subject matter experts hired to work on this. but also the majority of the american people, and the cost is tens of thousands of palestinian lives. >> what is success looking like? if everybody gets the message something different should happen, what does that look like you? >> it is lasting cease-fire. it is stop sending weston's. it is hostage exchange of israeli and -- israeli hostages and palestinians. and using leverage we have for pushing for lasting change to the status quo, as josh said. self-determination for palestinians and israelis, a thriving future for palestinians and israelis. the only way that happens is

that there is palestinian freedom. palestinian freedom and jewish safety are not at odds. our futures are intertwined and there's not going to be one without the other. >> josh, do you think in the effort to get this deal done, that joe biden is going to use that leverage, the leverage we all believe he has come of the ability to say, for 10 minutes he said we will stop a shipment of weaponry, but then announced they were restarting shipments. so it feels like he knows he can go there and what is he looking for? what is he waiting for to say, america can have a remarkable impact on stopping this work? >> i think he knows that leverage, as he said in terms of arms transfers and security assistance and in terms of regional diplomacy we are conducting, and of course the global diplomacy and protection we are providing israel for accountability and at the un, there are sorts of available tools that president biden can use to press israel. i think we will see if israel does actually follow through, does commit to the agreement.

that will be one thing, to the extent it begins to undermine it. and that context, one might wonder why democratic members of congress think it is a good idea at this time to invite prime minister netanyahu to congress. and give him the platform to stand up to president biden. but i think tools are there and if president biden, i hope, he will use them first of all now to bring this deal to a close, to bring the conflict to a close, but also should there be any backsliding. >> think you both of you, i appreciate the time you have taken to tell your stories. willie greenberg is -- josh paul is former official at the united states state department. we will be back with moore velshi after the break. . a once-daily pill for moderate to severe plaque psoriasis, and the chance at clear or almost clear skin. it's like the feeling of finding you're so ready for your close-up. or finding you don't have to hide your skin just your background.

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