the judge could decide to say, house arrest or even jail. how do you face what look like? >> one of my lawyers on the television the other day said you don't want to do that to the president. you don't bed for anything, that's just the way it is. and trump's a lawyer also on the talk shows today outlining the defense appeal and strategy and why is changing his position on judge merchan's jury instructions. >> i think when you look at the jury instructions here, judge merchan essentially, i wouldn't say it rigged the deliberations, but certainly steered the jury toward the verdict that he clearly wanted >> when the jury it was against you, the judge made a mistake? >> i hope for the best plan for the worst, george. >> and stormy daniels, the actress at the heart of the case is breaking her silence.

in her first interview since the verdict, she said she wants to see trump jailed or used as a punching bag at a women's shelter. >> completely out of touch with reality. you have to find a punishment that not just matches the crime and fair and just, but impacts that particular person. >> we will get reaction and new perspective on what stormy daniels is saying in that interview. also new today, a new poll showing 50% of the general u.s. population saying they think the verdict was correct. 27% say it was not correct. asked whether trump should end his campaign because of the verdict, 49% of the general population saying you should. 37% say he shall not. those numbers are similar to april 2023 after trump was indicted by a manhattan grand

jury as well, and the overall presidential race remains close, within the margin of error. we have reporters and analysts in place covering obvious new developments for you on this sunday. we are going to start with nbc is jillian frankel. very good afternoon to you, how is trump planning on rebounding after his guilty verdict? >> trump and his defense team are planning to appeal this decision. the former president appeared on fox and friends this morning, where he suggested the public may not tolerate jail time for him or house arrest, suggesting there could be a breaking point. both he and rnc cochair laura trump pointed to the small dollar donations that they say have been pouring into the rnc in the days since this verdict was released, suggesting that it could actually help rally republicans and head of the november election. now, as you mentioned, stormy daniels sat down for her first public interview since this conviction, saying she was shocked at how fast the jury

was able to come to a decision in this case. i want you to hear how her messaging on this case contrasts the former presidents, take a listen. >> you have to find a punishment that not just matches the crime and is fair and just, but that impacts that particular person. >> but people get it, it is a scam. and the republican party is really -- they stick together in this, they see -- it is weaponization of the justice department, of the fbi. rena and richard, the former president continues to emphasize the importance of november 5th, suggesting that that is the real verdict, and encouraging republicans to turn out on election day in light of this decision. richard? >> jillian frankel, thank you for that. joining us now, carrie stein. justice department reporter peter christie greenberg is a federal prosecutor and an msnbc legal analyst.

carrie, starting with you, donald trump did not have to post bond, he attended a ufc event last night, in fact. he joined tiktok. until he is sentenced does this verdict but any real restrictions on him? >> no, nothing legally, right? but he does have sentencing and his sentencing can take into account a lot of guidelines or a lot of different types of things. so, i do think he is playing a bit with fire if he wants to keep speaking out about the judge, about the witnesses, but that is all up to the judge now with sentencing, and his actions could be taken into account with sentencing. >> is now soon, donald trump will have to base the verdict by sitting with her probation officer, what would that look like christie? >> so, typically those interviews are very standard, every criminal defendant goes through the same process and you go through a lot of background. background about his upbringing, his education, his employment, a lot of that is common

knowledge, but things like your physical health, your mental health, and then there will be a section that just deals with the offense conduct, and both sides will be able to bring forth parts of the trial transcript, so that -- to see if there are agreed upon facts here. there was a lot that was in dispute at this trial, not much that was not in dispute, so at some point, the probation officer will have to look at what that conduct summary looks like in the report, and there may be objections from both sides to parts of that. and then ultimately, there will be a recommendation from the probation officer as to what an appropriate sentence would be for this defendant, and that recommendation tends to be a recommendation that the court looks to, because again, the probation office is more of a neutral party in this. and neither side has to take the probation officer's recommendation, but usually if

they deviate and what their recommendation is, they will give an explanation as to why. >> there is still more i had, the defense has to file a motion by june 18th on their punishment for the former president. the prosecution has until june 27th to respond out of sentencing date, or july 11th, that is just four days before the republican national convention. terry, if you have any expectations of what the legal teams will request in those motions? >> right, i mean obviously, we think the prosecutors are going to recommend something more severe than the defense attorneys. i don't know, i have been saying this a lot, i think it would be very unusual, they may recommend it, but it would be very unusual or unlikely, i should say, that trump would get a jail sentence. now, it is certainly not off the table, but you know, that kind of sentence for a first- time offender for someone of his age for a nonviolent crime, for this low class felony, that would be unusual for him to get

jail, i think prosecutors and defense attorneys probably know that. >> trump said earlier today on fox that he was okay with house arrest or even jail, let me play a little bit of that. what will factor into judge merchan's decision, christie? is jail out of the question here? >> no, it is not. remember, so, one of the things judges look at is relative culpability. there is someone else who has been convicted, granted federally, and for a slightly different crime, though the underlying conduct is essentially the same, and that is michael cohen. michael cohen was sentenced to three years in jail. granted, he was also sentenced for other crimes as part of that prison sentence, but at his sentencing, the judge was very clear that this federal campaign finance violation had real consequences for democracy, that it threatened the electoral process and undermined the voters' faith in the electoral process.

and so, you heard the prosecutor in the closing hit on those same themes, about how serious this was, about how this was really a subversion of democracy, because the entire scheme here was designed to defraud voters, prevent them from getting accurate information before the 2016 election. so, it is incredibly serious, it is far more standard -- serious [ inaudible ] this is a felony, and you have someone else who has already been involved in the same scheme who has already been sentenced to jail time, and michael cohen was less culpable than donald trump. remember, donald trump was directing this game, he was giving the directions to michael cohen, so he is more culpable, the present time is absolutely not out of the question. >> perry, you have been writing about how trumps postconviction behavior could impact his sentence, what are you looking for in that? >> well, we know that he can't -- we know that he has a gag

order. it isn't necessarily out of -- the judge hasn't said what the full force of it is, but you know, when you look at particularly, this is a state sentence, but we know that in federal sentencing guidelines, and there are some similarities here between that and federal and state, they look at the characteristics of the defendant, how have they been -- you know, all of this, what he is saying, his actions go into account. what is more interesting, though, and what i have been looking into, as if he goes on another trial again, if he sits and any of his three trials, he will be entering that trial as a felon, so that's where he could face even more severe sentences if he is ever convicted again, because he is no longer a first-time offender, right? so, you will be considered a first-time offender when the judge considers his sentence this time, but not the next time. that's all right, perry and christie, stay with us. standby, we will be right back to you after a quick break. we will talk about stormy

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first presidential nominee, and the leader, leading crooked joe by a lot, that is not allowed to talk. maybe they're doing me a big favor, who knows? >> we are back with perry and christie greenberg. christie, i understand the judge will give trump an opportunity to speak before sentencing. what this sort of rhetoric in front of the judge help him, that we just heard? and he chose not to testify. do you think his lawyers would advise him to speak this time? >> so, i think it depends on what he will say. usually at sentencing, when you have a defendant who continues to maintain his innocence, it is unlikely that you're going to hear that defendant then accept responsibility and show any remorse, because they intend to still appeal their verdict, and they are saying that they are innocent. so, i would be surprised if that is something that you heard from donald trump here. and generally, a judge is not necessarily going to penalize a defendant for exercising his

right to contest the facts and to take his case to trial. but where you are violating the gag order, where you are continuing to attack jurors, where you attack family members of, you know, the prosecutors or the judge, where you attack the staff of the prosecution team, alvin bragg and the judge are removed from that gag order, but when you attack those in other categories, when you continue to attack witnesses, the gag order is still in place as to those individuals, and there are any more violations of the court order, yes, the judge will absolutely take that into account, that is blatant disregard for the law, and the judge is looking to promote respect for the law. so, i think as the gag order is still in place, you are going to look for trumps speech to really try to not encourage additional violations, because that could absolutely come back to bite him at sentencing. >> well, you know, trump and his legal team have also been

vowing to appeal. just today, here is trump's attorney, will scharf, and what you said: >> we are going to vigorously challenge this case on appeal. i don't think president trump is going to end up being subject to any sentence whatsoever, and we look forward to getting this case into the next court, taking it all the way to the supreme court if necessary, to vindicate mr. trump's rights. >> now, perry, that attorney had several reasons during that interview, what grounds do you believe that they will use that will have the best case for an appeal, if any? >> it right, well, remember during the trial, when stormy daniels testified, todd blanche, trumps a lawyer actually called for a mistrial right there. and i think a lot of people were surprised at how much stormy daniels was allowed to testify, right? she talked about in detail the sexual encounter that -- the

language that she used could have been interpreted by the jury as that this was an unwanted sexual encounter. and trump could argue, i mean, this has happened before, we saw it with harvey weinstein, it is not an exact parallel by any means, but they said, hey, you allowed the jury to hear too much. you tainted their opinion on our defendant with details that did not have relevance to the crime at hand. so, that is one possibility. and we heard right there, we heard some of the arguments already laid out from them when todd blanche asked for a mistrial in court, obviously it was denied then, that could be one grounds for appeal. >> so, we have been hearing how stormy is speaking out today, christie, and we have shared some of that sound. does the fact that she is doing an interview at this point and/or the nature of it help the defense team when it comes to an appeal? >> so, based on what i heard

she said, and admittedly, i have not listened to her whole interview, but based on the snippets i had heard, and some actually saying anything different than prior to taking the stand. and she was cross-examined pretty extensively about the fact that she does not like donald trump, that she wanted to see him be put in jail, none of that is necessarily new. so, as long as she doesn't say anything, i think, that is contradicting her testimony in any way, i am not sure this is going to disturb the verdict in any way. >> and perry, how might this case make it to the supreme court, as will scharf was just saying, is there a path, how long would that take there is, and the specter of the court makeup, three trump appointments to bring it into question of potential outcome there. >> right, i mean, this is the state case, so it is much more likely to make it to the highest court or the highest court in new york, so i think we will see a play through the

new york appeals system, rather than the federal appeals system. currently, he is bringing up this question of presidential immunity in the supreme court, which in theory could have some implications on the state case in georgia. so, it is possible that he finds some presidential executive power issue here, but these charges are, you know, no one is suggesting that these were things that he did within his presidential powers, right? so, like they are in florida are like they are in the d.c. federal cases, so i would expect this case to play out through the new york court system. >>. stein and kristi greenberg, thank you so much on this sunday, go and have a good one. information about water crisis in atlanta, plus the push from the white house to get a cease- fire in israel-hamas war.

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israel proposal for a cease- fire, which president biden says could bring an end to the war. this morning, white house spokesman john kirby giving us an update about where both sides stand on the deal. >> we have every expectation that if hamas agrees to the proposal as was transmitted to them, an israeli proposal, that israel would say yes. >> joining us from rehobeth beach, delaware, good day to you, allie. what happens next in this? >> reporter: yeah, richard, well, many have been hoping that this three-phase proposal that president biden endorsed on friday would really be a turning point in this eight month long war, but so far, we haven't seen any official movement to even be able to start phase one of that. we heard the president say on friday that the onus is on hamas

to agree to this proposal, and while we have seen hamas come out publicly and say they welcome it, there still hasn't been any official movement, official agreement on their part. then you have the israeli side with prime minister benjamin netanyahu's office saying he has authorized the text of the proposal, but they are saying this is a nonstarter and thomas is fully destroyed. as we mentioned, you heard from john kirby this morning, who said the white house expects israel to agree to this if hamas does, and he also talked about the fact that israel has accomplished its main goal out of this war, to defeat much of hamas's military capability to be able to conduct another october 7th. kirby saying that he is still hopeful that an agreement can be made. listen to more of his comments here. >> what we hope would happen is they want to break to start phase one as soon as possible, and phase one would allow for some hostages, the elderly, sick, women hostages to get out over a period of six weeks. no more fighting, more humanitarian assistance then, and while that is all going on,

the two sides would sit down and try to negotiate what phase two would like and when i could begin. rena netanyahu we know has been under an enormous amount of pressure from both sides, from the families of those hostages, desperate to have their family members back, as well as pressure from members of his cabinet who are threatening to resign if he accepts this deal. the president on friday even making a direct appeal to members of israel's government to accept this deal. so, still a lot more that has to be done for phase one can even begin to richard. >> allie, thank you so much for that report. now to the latest on breaking news in atlanta. the city is investigating even more potential water main breaks right now in widespread crisis that has been going on for days. what is the latest in all of the site has been happening? >> reporter: yeah, richard, this is very much so an ongoing issue here in atlanta, where just hours ago, two water main

breaks were discovered that officials say could impact even more residents and businesses as crews are already focused on the two brakes that happened on friday. for a quick timeline, on friday, there were two major water main breaks in downtown atlanta in midtown atlanta. just for context, that downtown water main break happened at a location that services the intersection of three different water lines, so as you can imagine, that meant pretty widespread water outages. as of today, city officials say that specific line has been fixed, and that means critical areas like atlanta's hospital, atlanta's jails, atlanta's airport all have enough water to carry out their services, but that second major water main break in midtown atlanta has still not been fixed as the entered day two of this crisis, and crews are working nonstop in order to rectify an issue. this is the problem here is 80+ year old pipes that have decayed and eroded, making it harder to identify the specific issue here. atlanta mayor dickens held a

press conference yesterday where he announced that state of emergency really spoke to the seriousness of this issue. take a listen. >> water is a valuable, a critical resource, and cities can't function, their lives can't function without it. it is absolutely at the top of our list. >> reporter: yeah, richard, i need is actually one of six fire stations across the city that are actually giving out free cases of water to residents as the city still works to fix this issue. when asked when we can expect for water restoration throughout the city, there is no clear timeline on that fix. >> thank you so much. the latest from atlanta. will it or won't it? next, new analysis on whether donald trump's verdict will matter to voters in november. e, but with a generac home standby generator, your life goes on uninterrupted. because when your generac detects a power outage, it automatically powers up,

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good afternoon. so far, the polls have lined up largely with the polls conducted before the verdict, as we were just talking about. do you think there will be much of a change as time goes on and people have a chance to process all of this? >> it is a great question, richard, it could come down to two possibilities, one is that you suppose are incredibly accurate, they will stay where they are. once reflective of what had gone on before the verdict, or it could be that there is some change. i think that will have a lot to do with the sentencing and whether people think the sentencing is fair, and the degree to which the campaign's use or avoid this topic entirely. >> jonathan, one democratic strategist said this week he does not think trump will actually show up for the debate with biden in three weeks, maybe because of what has happened, maybe not, he said this before the verdict dropped, but what are your opinions now? will he show up and how will the conviction affected? >> look, you can always take

donald trump by his word, he is not entirely burdened by the truth, as we have seen over the years. on the other hand, trump had said he wanted to debate biden anywhere, anytime. and he wants to debate biden, and perhaps he is overconfident in this, but he and his team believe biden is incapable of withstanding a 90 minute debate, and doing so in ways that cover him in glory. so, i think donald trump will show up to the first debate, and i think if donald trump gets the chance, will show up to a second debate with biden. in terms of what they are going to do, i think the candidate who best expresses a vision for how to get the economy into a place where people feel like they're doing better is going to be the one that wins that. this is just a debate of personalities and the two men sort of challenging each other personally, i think that is going to turn off even more voters. >> how much will this conviction play and that debate, do you think, and how much it might joe biden bring

it up and go big on this or try to stay away from it and understanding that both helps and can hurt? >> so far, biden has really kind of undersold this. he is perhaps advisedly under a conventional political model thought that the public would have its reaction to this without him, that this would be an anchor on donald trump about joe biden sort of putting a thumb on the scale there. and at the same time, you know, he doesn't want to appear that he is directing, you know, the anti-trump message or directing the court, because donald trump has argued without any evidence whatsoever that biden is effectively controlling the court cases against trump. obviously, joe biden has no influence on the 12 jurors. you know, he is not running the d.a.s office, but that is trump's argument. it appears that biden doesn't want to play into that. we will see if that changes over the next few weeks before that debate. that's all right, jonathan allen, thank you, have a good

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nbc's jacob trailer joins us now. what reaction have you been hearing over the weekend on this? >> yeah, richard, we are getting some new polling that indicates republicans, trump supporters for the most part, are not wavering in their support for the former president. that really aligns for the most part with what we have been hearing across the country in regards to this verdict. we know that republicans for the most part are echoing trump's claims of election interference, but as you know, richard, our main focus really in terms of political analysis is on some of these undecided voters, particularly in key swing states, michigan, wisconsin, arizona, georgia, what are these undecided voters saying about how this verdict as affected them? i want you to hear from a couple of those georgian voters who claim to be undecided and what is trump verdict means for them. >> i am concerned about -- who will take the mantle to lead

our country in the right direction. as a voter, i am really torn. and i just really would like to see everyone focus on the issues that are more important as opposed to the trump conviction. >> yeah, i mean, i think democracy has been in crisis for a while now, and i think this is kind of a culmination of all of that, that lake one of our two options is a felon and the other one -- also doesn't drum up a lot of enthusiasm from the democratic base, so, the choice doesn't really feel like much of a choice. >> as for how the former president is handling all of this, he sat down for his first interview post verdict this morning with fox, he said a couple of really interesting things. one, he claimed that if he went to jail or is on house arrest, he would be okay with that. in the same vein, when he was

talking about going to jail, he said that his republican supporters, specifically his mather base, he said they would reach a breaking point. that's where the former president's head is at as a seven week trial wraps up, and we potentially expect to see him back out on the campaign trail soon. >> thank you so much, jake trailer for us. let's bring in jonathan alter, author of the old goats newsletter. good to see you. you have been in the courtroom since day one of this trial. did you expect the jury to find trump guilty on all of the charges? >> i actually thought there was a possibility they would find him guilty on nine of 34 counts. the nine counts that related to the checks you signed, that had his fingerprints on them. i thought if there was a real opposition to a conviction, that might be a compromise they could strike, but i wasn't surprised that they came back with 34 guilty, because you know, the case had been really

headed south for the defense in the last couple days of the trial. they made some critical mistakes that made it pretty hard for them to get a hung jury, much less an acquittal. so, we were not surprised by the verdict, those of us in the courtroom. we were very surprised by the timing of it, because we had just been told we were all going to go home and come back on friday for more deliberations, and then late thursday, we got word that there was a verdict. and i have to tell you, richard, it was high drama in the courtroom. >> no doubt. tell us about the moment, though, when the guilty verdict was read, how did trump react? >> so, trump reacted kind of stoically at the moment of the verdict being read, and it took a while to say guilty 34 times. and then they pulled the other 11 members of the jury, and they each answered yes in

response to whether they agreed with this verdict. at that point, when it was time to leave after some other discussion of the sentencing date on july 11th and some other matters that the lawyers had to deal with, trump got up and i got a very clear image of him as he turned around to walk out of the courtroom, and he reached over to kind of grab his son eric's hand without actually looking at eric, and he just kind of, in a days almost, shook his sons hand, and then as he walked up the aisle, just past me, he was more hunched than he had been the many other times i had seen him walk up that center aisle. and i have to say, he did have a look of pain on his face. then by the time he got out before the cameras, he had his game face babylon, but it is no fun being convicted. you know, of a crime, and

facing possible jail time or at a minimum, a lot more engagement with the criminal justice system. you know, this is not the end of his relationship with judge merchan. >> jonathan, you have been at this for a couple of days, how did you react personally as a pond and, as an analyst, as a chronicler of much of our history and politics? how did you feel about this? >> i thought it was a good day for democracy, and that people are spending too much time trying to predict what will happen politically, which is kind of a fool's game, there are so many factors in play, and the polls are only of limited relevance right now, but i think that the larger point is to say that our system worked. you know, we have this magnificent system. our criminal justice system, for all of its faults, is a model for much of the world as the jewel of our constitutional system to let 12 ordinary people decide the most important

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approaches. this effort beginning in philadelphia last week with a rally attended by both president biden and vice president harris. i didn't look sharp and i donald trump's record on issues that affect black americans. >> [ inaudible ] i don't think he would be talking about pardons. this is the same guy who wanted to teargassed you as he peacefully protested george floyd's murder. he is that guy who won't say black lives matter [ inaudible ] we all remember, trump is the same guy [ inaudible ] >> joining us now, biden-harris national adviser and florida state senator chevron jones. mr. state senator, good to see you. the biden campaign's new strategy with black voters makes clear it understands how

crucial their support is to his re-election here. a recent poll, though, showing biden's support from black voters dropping 16 percentage points compared to 2020. how does this new campaign strategy aim to keep black voters faithful to the president and to fight him more clearly against donald trump? >> thank you so much, richard, i am sitting here in my car doing this interview because i just did a series along with the state director from the biden-harris campaign, jasmine bernie, here in florida, in miami-dade county. what i can tell you is black voters [ inaudible ] president biden has been an absolute advocate and a champion for black people in georgia's presidency, and as we prepare for the election, it is absolutely important that we do not lose sight of the great work that the president has fostered. president biden has shifted the wheel in a very positive way for black americans during his

presidency. [ inaudible ] black wealth went up 60% since before the pandemic. [ inaudible ] all of this has happened under president biden. president biden and vice president harris have kept their focus on black americans because he is continuing standing by what [ inaudible ] when he ran for president four years ago, that was to restore the soul of this nation. and that meant everyone, and that includes black america. >> you know, biden has many policy achievements that have positively impacted black americans, including investing in hbcus, student loan debt cancellation, record low unemployment, but black leaders are saying that their constituents here are not hearing about them, and that the biden campaign is not fully grasping the severity of the information gap. how can the biden campaign do a better job, do you think, to promote his accomplishments, and is the campaign targeting new-media environments where young black americans actually get their information?

>> absolutely, i think what we are seeing right now, the biden- harris administration are releasing a great deal of surrogates from all across the country to deliver this message. the president has made it extremely clear [ inaudible ] and i think what we also have to hone in on is the fact that president biden and vice president harris, they're not just giving talking points. you see the numbers that i just read off a few minutes ago, that is because they are concerned about black america. when you see their investments at hbcus, that is because the president is keen on the soul of his nation. so, he is delivering the message, i think we will continue to see that message be amplified, and as that is amplified, we will see the black voting population, not just here in florida, but across the country, they will see [ inaudible ] . is trump

honestly was a disaster for black america, and we know that, we see it, and we will not go that route again. we rejected him four years ago, and we are going to reject him again. >> i want to turn to what florida governor ron desantis called freedom summer. advanced cities from lighting bridges and anything other than red, white, and blue through labor day, that basically means bridges are not allowed to rainbow lights in honor of pride month, and that is this month, the month of june. friday, jacksonville's community organizer rainbow lighting of the bridge and protest to that. did you see this as an intentional move? and how else is the lgbtq+ community responded? >> well, first of all, shout out to jacksonville for ensuring that everyone feels represented in that city. i also find it quite comical [ inaudible ] to be brought back

into the american spotlight, into the american spotlight, people simultaneously facing a m term limit will undoubtedly having you searching for attention and that is what we are seeing. the lgbtq community will be here long after governor desantis is out of office. it is a shame that this is where our time and energy is being spent. it is also not surprising. it is quite ironic governor desantis and porter republicans love to chant about the free state of florida, but you are not free to be who you are. >> senator, thank you so much for stopping by. appreciate it. that will do it for me. thank you for watching. alex will be back next saturday and sunday at 1:00 p.m. eastern.