we really do need a new word for unprecedented. a presidential candidate found guilty on 34 counts is clearly unlike anything with other -- we have ever seen and it's revealing something about the party he leads. plus, the verdict might not have been possible without the central witness in this case. michael collins attorney will join me to talk about the outcome and attacks against her client. also ahead, the last time i sat down with james comey, he predicted truck could be predicted by the time he accepted the party's nomination. later, running against a convicted candidate should be a lay-up but again, these are not normal times. how is the biden campaign planning to meet this moment? i will talk about it with michael tyler. on thursday evening, a jury of

12 everyday americans delivered a verdict finding the former president guilty on 34 counts and yes, that was historic, no question about it given that nor former president has ever been criminally tried, let alone convicted but it was also important because it confirmed that our legal system has the capacity to hold any american accountable, no matter who they are and file it has proved that the legal system functions as it should it also, over the last few days, expose just how broken the republican party is right now. in the aftermath of donald trump's conviction, the majority of his party wind up behind him and attacking the judicial system and all of its players. take republican house speaker mike johnson, a guy who is second in line for the presidency. he not only called the verdict absurd. he said his friends on the supreme court should overturn trumps conviction. >> i do believe the supreme court should step in. obviously this is totally unprecedented and it is

dangerous to our system. i think the justices on the court are deeply concerned about that, as we are, so i think they will set this straight. >> so, speaker mike johnson is essentially saying there, and i think this is so important to repeat. i know these guys, they are on our team. they will quote, set things straight then there was congressman byron donalds who had this to say. >> reporter: what is your reaction tonight? do you respect what the jurors have tried to say in the verdict? >> no, i don't. i think it is part the jurors fault. >> so his hot take you just heard there was that it was the fault of the regular citizens and by the way, all of their civic duty under the constitution to participate on a jury than those with those who use this is a moment to promise retribution. >> how do we work together to protect ourselves from the illegal prosecutions and persecutions and then what do we do to fight back? how do we make them suffer if

they're going to illegally prosecute us? >> that was none other than ken paxton. yes, you've heard of him, the attorney general of texas suggesting the appropriate response to illegitimate prosecution by a jury is to quote, make them suffer. it's not just the right wing trump sycophants. that is the thing. take the response of maine senator susan collins isend quote, the district attorney brought these charges because of who the defendant was rather than any specific criminal conduct. this is a party that once prided itself on being defenders of the law. law and order was basically their campaign refrain. now, their attacks are not only undermining faith in our justice system. there also dangerous to the people serving in, fueling the potential for violence. consider what trump himself said this morning. >> people don't want to be impeached. they don't want to be indicted by the scoundrels who are much more evil than people -- i'm

telling you, china and russia are not the problem. we have a problem from within that is really bad. >> we know trump loves authoritarian dictators that think about that for a moment. he just said the people holding him accountable in this country are worse than the autocratic regimes that are often actively targeting the united states, the country he wants to again lead. it is clear that trump is not going to end this assault anytime soon. it is kind of his campaign refrain but all of that in his response over the last couple of days is just another warning sign that none of us should ignore. there is a lot to dig into about what just happened last week and what is ahead. neil, the message for many of trump's supporters in the last few days seems to be focused on attacking the system, the judge, the jury, the participants and the process. i mean, you worked in the judicial system, and law enforcement. what are the

dangers to all of the people who are participating in the legal system is trumps base, and the dangers to our country, really, if trumps base does not believe in the outcomes of the legal system? >> yes, this is trumps m.o. every single time witches burn the system down if it attacks him in any way. it's not the way any responsible government official should behave. i think the system is more important than any individual person but he never cares about that. now, he is telling his supporters it's not a crime and this and that. well, tell that to michael cohen who went to jail for it and had all of the trump support is applauding that back then. it is the same underlying thing and if the system were rigged, we would be looking at four final convictions of donald trump in four different jurisdictions today, not the messy patchwork of partially litigated cases we have today,

and to get back to your question, the threat is, if he continues this rhetoric, there is going to be harmed to potentially jurors, judges, law enforcement officers and the like. it reminds me of back when in georgia, a republican election officials said you know, trump cut out your rhetoric after 2020, someone's about to get hurt and of course, that happened so painfully for all of us to see, on january 6. >> and you and i have talked about this, andrew, to build on what neil was saying. we don't know what the impact of all of this rhetoric is. are people watching and listening to it and thinking that it is a license to do something, to do others harm? i hear it as a redux of 2020. talk to me about your concerns here and what you hear when you hear these attacks on the judge, the jurors, others who were participating in the process. >> what i would ask people to do is to actually look past the

adjectives and adverbs and rhetoric and focus on facts. that is what happens in a courtroom. i'm less concerned about donald trump and what the defendant says. donald trump is a defendant who has been convicted, unlike most defendants who have been convicted, they said the process was unfair and they disagree with it. that is what defendants do. he happens to unfortunately be the candidate for the republican party, but the real issue is the one that you focused on, which is the enablers. the idea that susan collins is denigrating the system. what i would say is look at the facts. david pecker, hope hicks, jeff mcconaughey, people aligned with and supportive of donald trump took the stand and they were not accused of lying.

they were never cross-examined to say they are not telling the truth, and they set up the damaging evidence that the jury found guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, so go to the actual evidence as opposed to just putting on a label because facts matter. if facts do not matter, this country is lost. there is no basis to have the rule of law or to have any system that protects us from authoritarianism and there is a written transcript that everyone can go to to show what happened. you don't have to take anyone's word for it. it is in black and white. >> that is so true and people can empower themselves to do exactly that initiative they have questions.

i just talked about this, but there was something that the republican speaker of the house mike johnson said during an interview with fox news that stuck out to me, and you have argued so many cases before the supreme court. he basically seemed to suggest that the supreme court can be relied on to save trump, and you can hear that. what was your reaction to hearing him talk about the supreme court like that? it's a different branch of government. >> yes, the clip you just played showed the speaker saying he knows some of the justices personally knows that many of them are concerned. i have no idea how he would know that. i know the justices personally, too. i have no stinking idea of what they might be thinking about this, and you know, trump has been, i think it is important to point out, a dead loser in the supreme court every time it comes up. 8-1 on executive privilege with only justice thomas siding with him in the 2020 election, and

here, i don't think the united states supreme court sits to review state convictions generally, so maybe they will find some federal issue here and maybe there will be an appeal that will get there but i think it is tough and it is tough here particularly because the jury unanimously found trump guilty, not just of one count, but 34 separate convictions that are felonies and they did so under the legal standard that is the hardest approve for government officials to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. they did it unanimously with all 12. they ran the table as they had to do it in our system. very hard to overturn that. very hard to see the united states supreme court getting involved despite what speaker johnson is insinuating. >> thank you for the help

understanding that. it just stuck out to me since he said it. let's talk about what happens next on the path forward and andrew, you have made this point, but since then, trump has made even more attacks on people participating in the process, that some of the things he has been saying are violations of the gag order, attacking people involved in the process. we will weigh on the judge during sentencing coming up july 11th. talk to me about how you anticipate the impact will be and what you thought about what he said on friday and how the judge would be hearing that. >> well, two of the things the judge will be considering is the lack of remorse, and the risk of recidivism, and for lack of remorse, i mean it's hard to think of a case that shows more lack of remorse, and this is somebody who is prideful over what happened, and he is not only showing lack of remorse for himself, but he is sort of fomenting across the nation, i just respect for law completely, so i mean this is undermining our system. also on recidivism, it is important to remember what the jury found here was that the 34

felonies neil referred to happened in 2017 in the oval office. 34 times. that is where the crime occurred, and what was the crime? it is the falsifying of business records to cover up a scheme to interfere with the 2016 election, and that scheme was hatched before the election, and it is carried out in the oval office. that was found on a reasonable doubt by this jury. you can't think of a felony that goes more to the heart of our criminal justice system, so those issues will be ones that are really weighing on the judge and obviously, the rhetoric that continues from

donald trump with respect to judges, jurors, witnesses, family members -- all of that obviously is something that a judge will consider, so he is doing himself no favors in terms of himself and obviously in terms of his responsibility to the country. to me, it is reminiscent of what he was doing on january 6th where he could sit in the oval office while people were attacking his own vice presidents and threatening the vice president's life. >> there are many things reminding me of those times, as well, which is quite alarming. thank you both as always for taking the time to join me this afternoon. coming up, the woman who helped star witness michael cohen prepared to testify in donald trump/money trial will join me plus i go one-on-one with former fbi director james comey. later, we will unpack bidens messaging surrounding his

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as we have said all along, michael cohen was not on trial for the past six weeks. he's already served time for what he did but the biggest differences: admitted to what he had done. >> since no one is above the law, donald needed to be held accountable just like any of us, just like i was held accountable. the only difference, i took responsibility. one of the things during prep sessions was don't quibble. if you did it, own it. and it's very difficult, don't get me wrong. nobody wants to acknowledge that they did something wrong. >> showing me now is michael collins attorney who you just heard him talking about, danya perry. i just played some of tom's not so veiled attacks on michael cohen.

he literally said i'm not allowed to use his name because of the gag order. i know you are watching this closely and prepared to take action and responsive he does keep coming after your client? >> we have taken action at every turn. i think a lot of people forget because michael can tend to have a dramatic persona, what he has actually been through, the trauma he has actually been through, so i was there with him when michael was thrown into solitary confinement in violation of his constitutional rights and we got him out of that. i was there with him when trump filed a half a billion dollars lawsuit against michael after he testified to the grand jury in this criminal case, and so you know, i heard your opening segment with andrew and neil. it was chilling because you know, you're talking about, rightly, violations of norms

and to the rule of law and dangerous to institutions and process but also to witnesses, so as much as michael is feeling relieved that the trial is over and gratified by the jury's verdict, he also is feeling fearful, and properly so, given the continued attacks even under the gag order and so i think he is prepared for that. one can never be truly prepared. he's certainly concerned and we are going to do whatever we can, as we have in the past, but he certainly is concerned that if trump is re-elected, nothing i or any lawyer can do is really going to be able to help him avoid threats to his safety and his liberty. >> to that point, that there have been a range of reports from nbc and others that a number of people involved in this including jurors and others have been threatened, are you concerned about your safety? is michael concerned about his safety right now? >> michael has certainly been concerned and again, fairly so. there have been constant threats of violence and also just constant recriminations,

of course. i have been on the receiving end of some of that, too, mostly just vile misogynistic kind of feed. i think that is just exactly what one would expect. admittedly, i was a little taken aback by it, but i think it is something he has lived with for six years now and it has only increased with this verdict and i think he expects that it will continue to increase and amplify. >> yes. i want to ask you about the tone and michael spoke about this in the clip i played there before you came on. he talked about how you and your team prepared him to testify, not to quibble, how he should admit to his own faults. how important do you think his tone and humility was for the jury, the jury of tom's peers,

everyday citizens making a decision about the case? >> i think it was critical. as michael said in the msnbc segment, it is hard and certainly counter to his large personality, but it is important in terms of creating a connection with the jury and also with the larger public. he, in some ways, has gotten the short end of the stick every single time for six years. he was the only person held accountable for a long time, famously. he also was charged for things -- i know he said this and i told him not to quibble with this in his testimony. certainly, he was prosecuted for things that almost nobody is, sometimes as an add-on to other charges, which is what happened in this case, but rarely is anyone prosecuted for the kind of tax evasion he committed.

it would have been treated as a civil case. having said that, he did take responsibility for it, and it has been my position all along that he should just move ahead, move forward, and he listens to me at least during his testimony, and i saw that resonate with the jury. i saw them looking at him and nodding their heads and bonding with him, in a way, so it makes sense that it is kind of what people want to hear. people don't want to hear yes, i said i did it but let's argue on the margins of it, so i was glad he moved on, that he finally and fully accepted responsibility, and it was gratifying and vindicating for him that several judges now, and a jury of mr. trump's peers , believed it. >> no question. his tone was very different and it sounds like you are a key adviser in that.

your client served time in connection with the same scheme. you've been saying he does not believe trump will serve time in prison. i want to play a part of his conversation that took place earlier this week and just get your thoughts. >> i'm afraid of him going to jail, not for him, not for his safety. that is on him. he has secret service protection. i'm more concerned for you and all of us and our families and for the american people because this clown had four years of being debriefed on national security issues. my concern is, in a prison situation, he's willing to give away these secrets, as i always say, for a book of stamps, and he will do it because he doesn't care. if america turns against him, he would rather see america burned to the ground, and that is who donald trump is, plain and simple.

>> this was a different take than i've heard others make in terms of the risks here, and i guess the question i have for you is, the judge makes this decision about prison time. lots of factors here. do you think he will take national security concerns into account as he is considering the sentence, and if you had to guess, what do you think the sentence will look like? >> i think perhaps that concern, in my view, is a little overblown because i don't see any world in which trump is serving in general population. if he serves any prison time at all, he will be with his detail and he will be segregated, but look, the judge has a range of options available to him, from probation to community service, which i think would be interesting. i have looked at

hundreds of like sentences. we did a white paper with some co-authors for the brookings institution, and people do get jail terms for this type of crime and even people who plead guilty, who accept responsibility, as this defendant has not. certainly that is on the menu of options the judge has but i just given the logistics and the practical issues that would come along with that, it's just a personal view. i think that would be hard to fathom the judge doing that and certainly there will be appeals and delays along the way, and it is really hard to imagine this happening during the second term if that happens. >> danya perry, thank you so much for taking the time this afternoon. i always enjoy hearing your insights. coming up, i've been thinking about a prediction former fbi director james cohen made during our conversation about a year ago. >> it is the crazy world donald trump has drag this country

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almost a year ago, my next guest made what seemed like a pretty bold prediction at the time. he told me donald trump could quote be wearing an ankle bracelet while accepting the nomination at the republican convention. this week trump was convicted on all 34 counts and his sentencing is scheduled for july 11, literally four days before the start of the republican national convention in milwaukee. of course, we don't yet know what his sentence will be. we don't know if there will be any ankle bracelets involved. that is up to the judge but that may not be such a bold prediction after all, and as this case comes to a close it is worth remembering this is only one of four criminal cases against donald trump. he is still facing charges for mishandling classified

information in conspiring to overturn the will of the people in the 2020 election. those are extremely serious cases but the criminal fraud trial we saw play out in new york will almost certainly be the only one or is likely to be the only one to take place before the november election. former fbi director james comey joins me now and has written a crime thriller set in connecticut. congratulations on the book. i just wanted to start with the news this weekend before the verdict, you had said it was highly likely to result in a conviction. that is obviously what happened. a year ago you made this prediction about trump wearing an ankle bracelet. do you think he's going to be wearing an ankle bracelet or be in jail after the sentencing? >> i don't know. it seems unlikely but i've never seen a defendant beg for it more by attacking the judge, the jury, the witnesses. one of the key things and

assessing what sentences appropriate, a judge looks at are you sorry for what you did? this defendant is running the other way. >> people have suggested there are a range of factors that would make it difficult to put a former -- the system has not been tested in this way. do you agree that it would be difficult for law enforcement institutions to put him in jail? >> no. they would just put him in a double wide somewhere near the fence out in the grass. he would eat there, exercise, he would be away from general population but it's obviously doable. >> your name was brought up in david testimony and it turned out to be quite an important part of the trial. he described a january 2017 meeting you attended and testified that at that meeting trumpsend quote, he, david pecker, probably knows more than anybody else in the room.

earlier this week you said you didn't want to comment on a witness testimony before a jury rendered a verdict. they have rendered a verdict. sounds like you also suggested his account may be different from your recollection, so what was different ? >> it seems like an honest miss recollection on his part. i was never in a meeting with david pecker. listening to his testimony, i think you may have passed me in the hallway, so in his memory, i'm a giraffe. i loomed large. i wrote in a memo every conversation i had. >> so, you are never in a meeting with david pecker? >> never. never been an immense presence. >> that is a difference. i wanted to talk to you about the other three cases because as i noted in my opening, there are three other cases pending including two federal cases that are definitely on hold. i want to play something you said to me last june about the timing. >> i can't imagine a circumstance where the department of justice would not it, if they're going to charge

him, would not have done it so far in advance that we would have a resolution before he took office. >> so, we are a year later and waiting for the immunity ruling of the spring court. you think they could still get the january 6 case done if the supreme court rules in the next couple of weeks? >> seems unlikely. i didn't mean trump taking office, god forbid. i met before the election. i'm optimistic he will lose but i don't think either case will be resolved by then. >> let me ask you about the attacks on judge merchan, alvin bragg, even jurors. it seems like you have said this could weigh in on the sentencing but i want to ask you more about the impact and the danger is that and how concerned you are about to repeat of the type of violence

that we saw on january 6? >> i'm very concerned about attacks on the individual participants in the justice system. it is the reason we created the federal witness security program, to protect witnesses from mob threats like this. we have anonymous juries to try to protect them from mob threats. i never thought the mob threats would be coming out of the mouth of the republican candidate for president so i'm very concerned about that. concerned about wing nuts in maga world acting on that rhetoric to take steps to harm people. i'm not concerned, believe it or not, about large-scale violence. i think a deterrence message was sent and is still being sent by the department of justice that have deterred the would be capital sackers and marchers. it's the reason you see almost no one at any of his legal appearances so i'm less concerned about that but remain very concerned about individual threats and attacks. >> i was at the courthouse on thursday and it was a very small crowd. i hope that continues to be the case. let me ask you about your book. this is your second book called "westport." tell us about your inspiration for this book and what did you draw from your own experience, as people are preparing to read it?

>> it is a murder whodunit that is a different one than the first case. the first one was a mop case in manhattan. this is the financial matt manager of the hedge fund in connecticut. i happen to work at one. it's not a secret history of them but it gave me enough knowledge to bring my characters to a different world and tell a story people will find, i think, addictive. >> has this become cathartic for you, writing these fiction books? this is not going to be your last one, it sounds like. it is your second one. is it more cathartic than working for the fbi? >> it's more fun. you don't have to testify in front of congress, for example, but i find it much more fun. harder than i expected but more fun because i can take people

and show them places i have known well through fiction with much more freedom than i ever imagined. >> thank you so much for joining me on set this afternoon. appreciate you spending the time. coming up next, president biden is now running against a man who's been convicted of 34 felonies. the big question for the campaign is, how should biden's re-election campaign use this moment of history in their messaging leading up to november without turning off moderates and independents but also engaging the base of the party? after the break. base of the p after the break.

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could help you save. let me start by stating the obvious here. there is no question that it is far better not to run for president as a convicted felon but trump no longer has that option but it's also too early at this point to tell how much the political landscape has changed in the wake of trumps conviction. according to a poll released on the morning of the verdict, so before we knew the verdict, 67% of voters said the verdict will not change their minds, but about 17% said a guilty verdict would make them less likely to vote for trump. that's not a huge percentage of

voters willing to change their minds but this is going to be a close election where everything on the margins matters. for their part, the trump campaign had a heck of a fundraising hall of the numbers they reported are true, 53 million, they said, 24 hours after the guilty verdict which would narrow the fundraising advantage the biden campaign has had until now but the word guilty was also emblazoned on pretty much the front page of every newspaper in the morning and knows of his conviction was almost unavoidable, and not in the way trump would like, so it is possible the story could be breaking through in a way that we have not seen in the past, even over the last six weeks of the trial. although he may not have gone as far as some in his party wanted, president biden did address trumps rhetoric in the wake of his conviction on friday. >> it is reckless.

it is dangerous. it is irresponsible for anyone to say this was rigged just because they don't like the verdict. >> and then there is the biden campaign, which has taken a much more aggressive posture than the white house. communications director michael tyler responded to trumps press conference with the statement that referred to trump with calling him confused, desperate and defeated. while campaign advisers have made clear they don't plan to make trumps conviction a central message of the campaign, they still have to determine the most effective way to talk about it, a way that both energizes the base while not turning off independence and republicans who may be open to supporting biden. the bed next -- the next big test in all of this is the debate and there is a lot of

business to get done there, showing the president is up for the job and reminding the public of issues that will personally affect their lives in november. that is what people will be watching closely. trumps conviction confirms what we already know about trumps character. he is morally corrupt and inept and unethical so yes, the president could scream and yell you are at a convicted felon at him over and over again and maybe he will although that doesn't feel like his style to me but you never know. democrats may sell shirts with truck behind bars and maybe the campaign will, but an effective message is not just about trumps criminality. it is about the impact that a twice-impeached, four-times indicted former president would have on the american people if he's allowed back into the oval office. it needs to be about them. the biden campaigns michael tyler has been thinking long and hard about all of this and i'm going to be talking to him about it coming up next. about it coming up next.

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with the biden campaign decided it was time to confront joe's legal troubles have gone, there was one campaign staffer leading the charge. >> let me say this first and foremost. we are not here today because of what is going on over there. we are here today because you all are here. we are glad you are all here this morning. we are here primarily because of the threat donald trump poses to the united states of america and to our democracy. >> michael tyler joins me now.

that is the guy you just saw, the communications director for the biden-harris 2024 campaign. i want to dig into the strategy. i want to start with the fundraising number because the biden team has had a huge advantage for fundraising but trump, if his number is correct, we don't know for sure, had a huge hall. the biden team also sent out a fundraising email. how did the email do? >> well, thank you so much for having me. i think as well as the trump relationship, they don't have a well established relationship with the truth. we will see what the number turns out to be. this campaign did in fact have one of the best stretches of fundraising, the biden campaign

. >> and the 24 hours after? >> yes, consistently since the verdict we've had our most successful stretch but what i will say is that the money we are raising is actually going to things like communicating with the voters who are going to decide this election. the paid advertisements that we are running, the organizing apparatus and all the battleground states right now. that 53 million or whatever it ends up being, is still in large part, money who's going to pay legal fees for someone who is now a convicted felon so we feel confident about our fundraising organization. we feel confident about the infrastructure we are setting up across the battleground states to communicate with the voters. >> you have been one of the faces of a more aggressive campaign obviously in the press conference outside the courtroom, with robert de niro, what you had to say in the clip we just heard. i want to ask you about the debate because that feels like the next huge moment.

the president will be out there talking about trumps convictions , the weight of that, how it matters to the american people. what can we expect on that front? >> i think you can expect to hear the president say what he said when he taught challenged donald trump to the debates. you can expect him to hear about the role trump played in overturning roe v wade and the fact that he is still out here on the stump saying these extreme level abortion bands are playing out brilliantly. you can certainly expect him to say what he said on friday when he said it is reckless and dangerous to be attacking the rule of law, to be undermining our democracy, to be undermining the judiciary. that is something trump continues to do as he spirals following his criminal conviction and of course you can expect to hear the president stand up and defend

democracy and ask trump about the chaos he continues to so since january 6. he will talk about all of those things in addition to the type of economy we want to build moving forward. the president is going to talk about his historic record of accomplishment, the 15 million jobs is created, the work is done to lower costs like walmart, target, walgreens and amazon are doing right now or do we want to return to the failed economic approach of donald trump giving tax breaks and handouts. to will the corporations themselves. >> it sounds like there is a lot of business the president has to do with the debate and some of it are a lot of the things you just said, abortion rights, making the choice clear. is he going to go after him as a convicted felon? it doesn't sound like his style to yell that at him but what are you preparing for on that front? >> it is certainly true that trump is convicted felon in the through line here is that in

donald trump, you have somebody who is fighting for himself, not for the american people. what joe biden is going to communicate is that this campaign is not about donald trump. it's about the american people, defending their rights, their freedom, standing up for their constitution. that's going to be the contrast we present on the debate stage. >> i know you have been in the middle of a big push to reach out to black voters. is there anything in the polling or data you are seeing internally about voters coming back to support the president that the public has not been caught up on? what are you seeing in terms of those movements? >> we see a lot of black voters and young voters are not as tuned into the presidential election right now. we also see that when they do tune in and hear the president's message, it resonates with them so at this stage of the race heading into the summer months, the work that this campaign is doing matters that much more. running advertisements, scaling up our organizing apparatus,

deepening the organizing we are doing on the ground, working with grassroots organizations, doing things like small business visibility, so we are running a lot of efforts out of small businesses. that is the work this campaign is doing and we are the only campaign doing it at this stage of the race. that is work intended not to pay off in may or june of 2024 but it is to establish a consistent relationship with the voter to work to earn their vote on election day. >> michael tyler, not everyone can say they stood next to robert de niro at a press conference. thank you so much for joining me. i really appreciate it. we have one more thing to share with you after a quick break, so stay right where you are. so.

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>> that does it for me today. i have some great guest on tap for tomorrow night's show. one way >> jamie pritzker will talk to me about how the news of trumps conviction is playing out, and of course i will ask him how he thinks the guilty verdict will impact the election so we are back here tomorrow night at 8:00 p.m. eastern and next sunday at noon eastern. much more news 8: at noon eastern. much more news andrea canning: this really was a soap opera. unfortunately, it's my life, and it i'm foandrea canning and th is dateline. >> this really