everyone following the news here on tv, i can tell you we have also been posting a lot behind the scenes and extra analysis online. take a look at what we do online. >> oh, my god. what time is it? >> it's time to do the interview. put your phone down. >> it's a moment, it's a mood. it's a vibe. >> it's part of the trump m.o. >> he's a desperate man. >> michael and ari. like roger and me. >> you ready? >> what do you got? >> i'm at the emmys. i'm waiting to hear if we win or not. >> what we need most is not ideology. it's evidence. >> when are you going to call me? >> this week. >> okay. >> okay. >> you can visit me online at ari melber or arimelber.com. keep it locked for "the reidout," up next, special guest michael cohen. tonight on "the reidout" --

>> she should be locked up. tell you right now. >> she should be locked up. she should. >> that's right, lock them up. you should lock them up. lock up the bidens. lock up hillary. >> hillary clinton, i didn't say lock her up, but the people don't say lock her up, okay. >> donald trump's getting a bit desperate ahead of his sentencing making the ludicrous claim that he never said hillary clinton should be locked up. it's on tape, donald. plus, michael cohen's reaction to trump's guilty verdict and the potential of prison time. and the far right continues to embrace authoritarianism with politicians and commentators flocking to el salvador to attend the inauguration of the man who calls himself the world's coolest dictator. it's a big warning sign for the type of government they want to run if trump becomes president again.

but we begin tonight with the real meaning of law and order. as the reality has set in that their soon to be official nominee is a convicted felon, republicans have reacted in the calmest and most rational possible way. no, i'm messing with you. they wigged completely out. >> i disagree with the jury's verdict here. a jury can only act within the constraints a judge puts on it. in this case, it was rigged from the very beginning. >> i think what happened in new york if you applied it across all 50 states would be the definition of fascism. >> how do we work together to protect ourselves from the illegal prosecutions and from persecutions, and then what do we do to fight back? how do we make them suffer if they're going to illegally prosecute us? >> you tyrants are about to awaken a machine you don't want. you are pushing people to the edge. the same party that is offended by the wrong pronouns is pushing the party that owns 90% of the

guns. you people in your cities with your white shoe consultants, country clubs who thought prosecuting trump was a good idea, you have never met america. >> yeah. that's not unhinged at all. could somebody please check on mr. higbee. i'm not sure he's okay. what has emerged is one of those clarifying moments when you realize what the real game is. to explain, listen to how republicans and their media outlets were talking about the issue of crime right up to the very moment trump became a convict. >> this is going on all across the country. crime everywhere. >> now they say there's no crime wave. do you feel safe? >> if we're not going to be a nation of laws in this country, we don't have anything. >> i'm so fed up with the crime going on in this country that would so easily be resolved if we went back to good old fashioned consequences and law and order. >> turns out, what republicans

really mean when they fearmonger about crime is that they want police and prosecutors to be tough on crimes committed pie people they look down on. black people, undocumented migrants, women who want abortions. black voters in texas and florida who haven't had their rights restored under the old jim crow laws in those states and of course, their political opponents who they have deemed their enemies. through the history of this country, law and order was directed primarily at people in those demographics. run away slaves and blacks targeted by jim crow and indigenous people who wouldn't willingly give up land and mexicans in texas who wouldn't give up theirs to alabama slave holders. remember the alamo and poor people and union workers, black and white, because capitalism. in the early 20th century before women won the right to vote, they were routinely arrested and jailed for trying to vote. as were untold numbers of black people denied the right to vote, and many were lynched for trying to exercise that right. the lynchers faced literally no

consequences. as all white male juries regularly acquitted them in just minutes, if they were charged at all. men like donald trump and his klan rally attending father fred could do almost anything, not pay taxes, refuse to rent to black people. men of the trump's demographic and wealth routinely did things like burn entire black towns to the ground with impunity which they did literally dozens of times. commit marital rape, which trump's first wife ivana once accused him of doing. this is the kind of freedom and privilege men like trump got used to, and they're outraged, outraged, he's now being subjected to the same criminal justice system that locked up more than any people on earth, disproportionately people of color. a system where when people are killed in streets in routine encounters or in their own homes, more than in any other developed country on earth, how dare that system be used against a rich, privileged white man

like donald trump. if they can do it to him, any rich white powerful man might have to pay for their crimes. the horror. the criminal justice system is supposed to be directed at people like you, not him. even worse, the system now includes something it never did before. brown immigrant judges and black district attorneys and attorneys general. how dare they be deigned to hold donald trump to any legal standard, much less the same standard as michael cohen, after all, michael cohen is not a multimillionaire former president. who is he to be treated the same as trump? how dare this system treat trump the way it treated the since exonerated central park five or how trump bragged he would treat a woman. not grabbing a woman by the you know what. i'm talking about hillary clinton, remember, lock her up? i do. although now, apparently, trump remembers it differently. >> hillary clinton, i didn't say lock her up, but the people

don't say lock her up, okay, then we won. and i said, pretty openly, i say all right, just relax. >> but we're not misremembering it, don. your whole campaign was about locking hillary clinton up. now, trump's supporters also really want to lock up the president's son, hunter biden, who coincidently went on trial today on gun and tax charges brought against him by holdovers from the trump administration at the justice department. you know, the same doj that literally locked up michael cohen for his part in the scheme that trump was just convicted on last week. well, according to donald trump and republicans, weirdly enough, it seems joe biden has now weaponized the justice system against his own son. make it make sense. but back to my revelation. it seems clear that what republicans want is for the law to go back to the way it was historically when men like donald trump and men like them could literally get away with murder. they want that world pack. donald trump's own sense of personal impunity is so strong,

he's even calling on his favorite justices on the supreme court to intervene before he's sentenced in july four days before the republican convention. the supreme court has no case meddling in a state prosecution, but the reality is given what we haveen from the conservative men on the court, the idea they would do it anyway doesn't feel much like a fiction. what makes it even more insulting is trump and republicans have recruited some dignitly free black men besides claire whoons are willing to pretend his impunity would ever apply to them. these people think so little of black americans that they believe trump's criminal record is the thing that will endear him to black men, who when they get convicted, do not have a cult army to demand that they not be locked up. they simply lose access to everything. from jobs to the ability to rent an apartment or travel, or in red states, the ability to vote. something donald trump has been assured by the james crow

governor of florida that he will not lose either. i'm joined now by joyce vance, former u.s. attorney, professor at the university of alabama school of law, cohost of the sisters in law podcast, and an msnbc legal analyst, and charles blow, "new york times" columnist and msnbc political analyst. thank you both for being here. joyce, you're the daughter-in-law of a judge, a former prosecution. how do you feel when you hear people who have been banging on about crime and how about how we have to stop this crime wave in america suddenly think that crime is a-okay when it is donald trump who is convicted of one or 37 counts of one? >> yeah, i don't think we have to be very sophisticated in our analysis to appreciate that this is no longer the party of law and order. if in fact it ever was. i think you make a powerful argument here, joy, that it was less about law and order, more about controlling people, and part of the work that was done during the obama administration

that i really appreciated the opportunity to be a part of was this work to make our criminal justice system more fair and more consistent with our values. it's always been an aspirational flawed system, but progress was being made. and there was bipartisan appetite for that work. and then along came donald trump, and i just don't think that we have to do anything other than call it what it is, an effort to be results oriented and to put one man above the law without any concern about the consequences for the larger america and the progress we still need to make. >> yeah, you know, charles, it was rich to see ken paxton, who was also indicted by the federal government for crimes say, well, we have to stop this out of control system. you have to stop it for you because you're afraid of getting indicted. they're clearly saying it's not that we like crime, it's just that -- it's not that we're not against crime. we're just against crimes that

black and brown people and women who want abortions, we want those people prosecuted. trump has to be free so people like us can be free. that's what it sounds like to me. >> it sounds like that because that's exactly what it is. and it really calls back into question all of the things that people used to say. blue lives matter is a response to black lives matter. no it wasn't. you never cared about the police. you cared about preserving the rights and opportunities for police to be brutal to black people and control them, and killing them came in the course of doing that, then so be it. that was what that was all about. you never really cared about spiking crime waves. you cared about what looked to you or what you thought was more black or brown people committing crimes. more protesters committing crimes. these are people who you disagree with or people who are other than you. these people view the policing system and the criminal justice system writ large as an

instrument to control people who are other than them. and in the country where half the country views the policing system and the justice system in that way, then that system is by result inherently unjust on some level. and that is what black people have been saying forever. that is what gay and lesbian people who have gotten beat up have been saying forever. this system doesn't work for me. these people are cruel to me. these people are harsh with me. and you say that that is what justice looks like. it is not what justice looks like. this is what is shining a bright lite on the hypocrisy of that. >> yeah, i mean, i can't stop thinking, joyce, about the fact that in red states, republicans are coming up with new and sort of luxurious ways to punish women. charge them with the death penalty if they try to get an abortion. making 10-year-olds criminals if

they try to get an abortion or if somebody tries to help a 10-year-old rape victim get out of state, they want to make that criminal. they want to make it illegal to stand near the police. they keep finding new ways to do law and order, but the law and order always seems to be directed at either bleej bleej people, black people, brown people, or especially women. for them, you get law and order, but it's odd they think this one guy must get away with a crime that literally his justice department locked up michael cohen for, and then locked him up again when he wouldn't stop talking about it. make it make sense. >> well, i mean, i think you just did, joy. i think you called it out for exactly what it is. we're looking at the politicization of the criminal justice system. all too often, republicans have used the label that applies best to their behavior for other people. tomorrow, attorney general

merrick garland will be on the hill for an oversight hearing in front of the house. and the house's web page labels that as an inquiry into the politicization of the criminal justice system. you may love merrick garland or you may hate him but he has certainly done his level best to try to restore this notion that the criminal justice system works equally for everyone. and that there are norms and rules that we respect. the problem that we're seeing increasingly is efforts on the conservative side of the aisle to achieve political goals through the criminal justice system. that's just the opposite of american values. something that we pride ourselves on, something that keeps us in our status as a democratic republic, is that criminal prosecution can't be used as a tool by whoever is in political power in the moment. that's what we're at risk of losing if we give donald trump of all people a pass from accountability. >> at the same time, i hear what joyce is saying, charles, but

merrick garland has also done very little to root out the trumpification of the doj. i mean, this is a doj that likely would never have prosecuted somebody who wasn't named hunter biden for the things he is on trial for right now. if you want to talk about politicization of the justice department. the leftovers from the trump doj prosecuted marilynmosby. the leftovers are still doing it, and democrats play nice, and say we don't want to move them out because it will look political. what happens is it's political. the two-tiered system is actually real. it's just that donald trump is trying to convince two rappers that it's really against him and that they should forget their own interests and only care about him, not even about their own lives, just him. >> right. and if you think that the justice department is politicized now, if donald trump ever gets back into the white house, hold on and strap in, because it is going to be a

disaster. he is telegraphing in every way possible that he's going to use the justice department as his own kind of enforcement agency for all the things that he wants to do, including retribution. and that is what i think a lot of republicans are lusting for. his vengeance, his retribution, and that's why they're so upset, because the justice system is trying to hold someone accountable who they don't want to be held accountable, and they believe that they should be able to trump it. they should be able to say, well, in this case, we don't want it. we just want it for the other people. different people, people who are different from us, and that's how it should be applied. anything other than that means the system is broken because the system is inherently supposed to protect people like me. >> and i don't know if we time, let's play donald trump making his warning if he's sent to jail. >> i don't know that the public would stand it. you know, i'm not sure the

public would stand for it. >> on house arrest? >> i think it would be tough for the public to take. at a certain point, there's a breaking point. >> joyce, that sounds like a threat, like a threat of another january 6th. >> it really does, and you know, for me as a former prosecutor, what that is, that's fodder for sentencing. that's evidence that you asked the judge to take into account when he decides whether or not this defendant needs to go into custody in order to be held accountable for what he did and hot he continues to do. >> let's see if judge merchan takes all of these statements into account as well he should. joyce and charles, thank you. up next on "the reidout," one individual's account of individual one, michael cohen joins me next as his former boss awaits sentencing.

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trump and his maga amis love to feed their base is president joe biden's department of justice has been weaponized against trump. how else could you explain trump being charged with 88 criminal counts in both state and federal courts? 34 of which he was convicted of just last week? they cannot for a moment believe that the doj and local prosecutors are simply following through with their mission to uphold the rule of law. but just to remind you, it was trump's doj in 2018 that first prosecuted trump's former lawyer, michael cohen, trump's coconspirator in the hush money election interference scheme. remember, there were three people at that trump tower meeting in august 2015 who conspired together to influence the 2016 election through unlawful means. the former publisher of the "national enquirer," david pecker, cohen, and trump. pecker's company signed a nonprosecution agreement and he received immunity from federal

prosecutors in exchange for cooperation on the investigation. cohen went to prison. and now, trump has been convicted and is awaiting sentencing for his crimes. i'm joined now by michael cohen, former personal attorney for then president donald trump and prior to that, principal of crisis x and a key witness in trump's trial. he is the host of the mea culpa podcast, cohost of the political beatdown podcast, and author of "revenge, how donald trump weaponized the u.s. department of justice against his criticri and disloyal, a memoir of the former personal attorney to donald j. trump. i want to start on a note that is not pleasant. it does appear the consequences for your cooperation in this election interference trial have been personal and you have thought about it and talked about it before. you were doxed, your family was doxed after the verdict. the phone numbers of yourself, your wife, your children were

posted early monday morning on a site used to target other figures involved in trump's various legal issues, according to a nonprofit research group. we know they're trying to dox the jurors too. talk about that experience and do you feel safe and are you protected? >> well, look, i don't want to get into whether i have protection or not. obviously too, give some of these maniacs an opportunity within which to come at me, but yes, we have been receiving unwanted phone calls and emails and text messages, including last night, around 11:00 p.m., the doorbell rang, which of course, is somewhat unsettling. it was actually the concierge in our building saying that there's a domino's pizza that was delivered to you. i didn't even know domino's was in new york city, to be honest with you. and they had it, unfortunately, under my son's name. so this is sort of the behavior

that we are contending with, simply because i testified, and they're unhappy when i say they, i'm talking about maga, is unhappy with the results. >> yeah. and what advice would you have for these jurors? i think all of us in the media are as curious as people are as to who the jurors are, it seems the best advice would be for them to remain anonymous, probably permanently. >> agreed. what they should also do is what i did. i contacted my local police department to let them know that this is happening. filing a police report on that in which case they will now have that information readily available in the event that a situation arises. >> let me let you listen to what chris christie has said, contradicting whether or not donald trump is afraid of going to jail. >> i have known him for 22 years. when i was doing these cases in

new jersey, and i would put political figures in jail, he would say to me, i could never do that. i could never go to jail. i'm telling you, no matter what he says, no matter how he's bragging and going on and on about him not being afraid, he goes to bed every night thinking about the sound of that jail cell door closing behind him. >> is chris christie right or is donald trump right that he's not worried about it? >> yeah, so i actually saw the interview on fox that donald claimed it will be what it will be and so on. chris christie is absolutely 100% right. right now, donald isn't thinking about -- he's a very interesting guy, donald. if it's four weeks away or five weeks away, to him, it's eternity, but as the days start coming closer, that's when you are going to see him becoming even more unhinged. if that's even possible. as it gets closer to the day of reckoning, to the day of

sentencing. >> well, we will watch and see. i'm sure everybody unfortunately will be watching everything he's doing. let me talk a little bit about a piece of reporting from propublica. multiple trump witnesses apparently received significant financial benefits from his businesses. one campaign aide had their pay doubled from $26,000 to $53,000. another employee got $2 million in a severance package, essentially barring him from voluntarily cooperating with law enforcement. what do you make of that behavior? >> this is not new. you may remember quite some time ago, omarosa was contacted by lara trump, and i know that recording is out there floating around. where they were concerned that omarosa was going to provide information which could be damaging to at the time president trump, and so they offered her a position at the rnc for something like $50,000 a month. this is the game.

now, why is donald okay with it? because it's not coming out of his pocket. so he's not even thinking about it. i mean, the fact that you have a $2 million severance, which is to allen weisselberg, that boris epshteyn got a massive bonus and so on, first of all, boris is completely inept. the fact that he is a legal strategist, this is a guy who has never tried a case in his life. it doesn't make any sense. this is to keep everybody in line. which tells me that at least donald learned something about the ordeal that's taken place between he and i. >> yeah. let's talk about the charge by donald trump and his supporters that the department of justice has been weaponized against him. they're alleged, completely without any facts that somehow the local d.a., alvin bragg, was colluding with the department of justice. you shared with us some documents that we know were a matter of a news item before. which was you actually were asked to sign an agreement when

you were now out of jail because of covid, and in order to stay out of jail, they wanted you to sign an agreement. talk a little bit about that agreement, because it was unusual. this was an engagement that no one had really seen that barred you from talking to the media. and it said no engagement of any kind with media, including print, tv, media, or news, prohibition from all media platforms, et cetera. talk utthat. >> by the way, it also included friends and family, which i thought was incredibly unusual. so i appeared at the request of a guy named adam, who was the lowest level employee there at the bureau of prisons, at 500 pearl street, where i met with him and his supervisor, a woman by the name of enid, and they present me with this document, which is supposed to be what's called an fmla. flma, a federal location

monitoring agreement. but unlike any other flma, this does not have any designation to it. it is not a standard form. it's not a form that has ever been to at least my understanding and investigation, it has never been used before. it was produced specifically for me. and paragraph number one is this unconstitutional prohibition of me to speak, which is a violation of my first amendment constitutional right. so i had brought my friend jeffrey, who is a lawyer, with me, because i was concerned at how this had transpired. until ultimately when we said, hey, this is really vialtive. i would be in violation if i signed this agreement, which by the way, is a counterfeit document, it doesn't exist in the system. they asked us to wait in the hallway, which we did. about an hour later, was met by

three marshals who handcuffed and shackled me, then put me into a room which was probably about 35, 40 degrees in terms of temperature and sent me back up to otisville for another 15 days of solitary confinement. and this was all done pursuant to my book "revenge" and the research, this was all done by bill barr. we all know the only time bill barr did anything is when donald trump told him to do it. so i then got very fortunate and my wife was able to find an attorney who you have met many times, and she was with me at the recent trial, the criminal trial, and donya then filed a habeas petition within which to have me released from otisville based upon this unconstitutional remand, which was granted by federal judge alvin k.

hellersteen, who in his order turns around and says that this is retaliation by the president and the attorney general in order to silence a critic of the president. >> in short, the weaponization of the department of justice, but not by joe biden's doj. michael cohen, thank you. >> that's the funny thing, joy. that's the funny thing about donald trump. what he's doing. he's projecting. and that's what donald does. he's projecting what he believes that everyone is as criminally inclined as he is. so he's trying to impugn that behavior onto the biden administration, knowing that's what his administration, not only that they did it to me, but that they intend to do it to many other people if god forbid a million times he retakes the white house. >> michael cohen, thank you very much. much appreciated. thank you. up next, former u.s.

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henchman matt gaetz, tucker carlson, and don trump jr. stepped away from the hoopla and their masculiity crisis to celebrate the inauguration of salvador's self-described world's coolest dictator. gaetz posted about it, saying quote, he's the most inspirational head of state in the western hemisphere by far. the most inspirational head of state, he said? not trump? for shame. maga must be clutching its collective pearls. el salvador's president is indeed a darling of the far right. he packed the country's constitutional court with loyalists and managed to skirt a ban on immediate re-election. his claim to fame being a crackdown on gangs but at a cost to democracy and human rights. which brings us back to the man these three stooges, gaetz, tuck 'ems, and don support here at home. that man, of course, is convicted felon donald trump. it is bad enough that a guilty verdict will likely not affect plans for intel briefings for

trump, but now more than a dozen former intelligence officers, western officials and lawmakers are sounding the alarm over trump weaponizing u.s. surveillance if elected to a second term, telling nbc news that trump could turn america's spy services into weapons of retribution against domestic political opponents. he could also skew intelligence findings in favor of authoritarian leaders. one former national security adviser who served under trump said when it comes to the president's authority over the intelligence agency, the law allows for a hell of a lot of discretion and trump would have a pretty free hand. it's a hand, abeit a tiny one, that he lavishes praise on autocrats and makes jokes about being a dictator for a day, but it could be much longer inthis is a question we have to sadly

consider. the world is in a fraught period. the white house is allowing ukraine to use u.s. weaponry to strike limited targets in russia, and a plan could put biden and netanyahu at a cross roads that could shape their legacies forever, and we'll talk about it all and the stunning results from two key elections that were decided this weekend. stay with us. look at that! the broccoli was fantastic. that broccoli! i think some of them were six, seven pounds.

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tonight, we're going to bring you the latest global news in one minute. israeli officials are rejecting pressure from the biden administration bey to end the war. it would impose a six-week cease-fire with a hostage exchange and allow palestinians to return to north gaza. a new poll shows 40% of israelis support the biden backed deal and roughly 120,000 protesters took to the streets in tel aviv to demand prime minister netanyahu accept. an israeli official told npr netanyahu backs the deal privately but won't go public bought the right wing will threaten to end his government. the party of the late nelson mandela has lost its 30-year parliamentary rule. they'll now have to form a coalition government. meanwhile, claudia sheinbaum will become mexico's first female mexican president. she won in a landslide.

joining me now to discuss it all is bobby gauche. let's get to this lightning round. let's start with claudia sheinbaum. we'll put up facts about her. first woman mayor of mexico city, now the first woman president. what should we expect from her? >> she's won what looks like a supermajority, not only has she won the presidency but her party looks set to win both houses of congress in mexico. which means this is a massive, massive mandate. now, a lot of people are describing it as not exactly her mandate but a vote of confidence for the outgoing president, who is known by his acronym, amlo. she's been very loyal to amlo. she has embraced his policies even though some of those policies run against her long-standing positions. now that she's president, we'll find out whether she comes out

from under his shadow and asserts her own personality into the presidency. it's a very, very powerful presidency, once you get into office, you have six years, and six years only. there is no second term. and you have a chance to really stamp your authority over the country, put your place in history, and we'll see if she does that. she faces huge problems. the economy has really slowed over the last couple years. the outgoing president spent a lot of money on pork barrel projects, so there's a massive deficit. crime is still rampant. the country's military some would say too powerful, and so she has a full plate of problems to deal with. but she also has a massive mandate that she can use to deal with those problems. >> yeah, and a woman leader, something that the united states can only dream of. maybe one day in my lifetime. let's talk about south africa. the anc has been in power since

mandela became the first black president of the 80% black country. what happens now? >> well, it only got 40% of the vote, which is down from nearly 58%, which is a huge fall from the last election. it can only rule if it can form a coalition. but here's the problem. the party that its sort of centrist leadership wands to form a coalition with is called the democratic alliance, but that is really identified as a party of the wealthy and the party of the white population. as you can imagine, the anc, which basically was the anti-apartheid party, it would not be a great look for them to associate or to cling to power with this sort of primarily white leadership party. on the other hand, the two blocs of black primary black parties that are sort of -- that might

just get the anc over the limit it needs, they're following a completely different economic and social agenda, and they have said they will only form an alliance if the current president steps down. and he has said there's no way he's doing that. his party says no way they're doing that. most investors and foreign investors, they really need, they don't want that to happen. it's really, he's caught in the horns of a classic dilemma here. the party that makes the most sense for him to associate with is one that would not be a good look for himself. and the parties that don't want him to remain as president are basically the only other option. >> let's go to israel. it seemed that when president biden stepped out there and broke up the news cycle with this announcement of a peace deal, he was either playing bibi or going to get played. which is it? because it seems like he's boxed

netanyahu in? those 120,000 people want a deal, the 120,000 people in israel. >> bibi is not paying attention to crowds in the street. there have been crowds in the streets for months and months now. even from before the terrorist attack on october 7th, demanding that bibi resign. he doesn't care about that. he cares about the extreme right parties that form his coalition. without them, he will fall from office. if he falls from office, he has to face all those court cases which some people think might lead to him ending up in prison. obviously, he doesn't want that. those right wing parties have made it very clear, if he accepts this deal, if he goes forward with this deal that biden has been selling, they're going to his officials have been briefing journalists to say he can't come out in the open.

when he speaks he's saying no cease-fire until hamas is completely destroyed. and without giving a clear definition of what that means. >> what that even means, they want war forever on his far right and that's who he is. so great about talking to you about everything. thank you friend. so much appreciated. we'll be back. no other complete hiv pill uses fewer medicines to help keep you undetectable than dovato. detect this: marnina learned that most hiv pills contain 3 or 4 medicines. dovato is as effective with just 2. if you have hepatitis b, don't stop dovato without talking to your doctor. don't take dovato if you're allergic to its ingredients or taking dofetilide. this can cause serious or life-threatening side effects. if you have a rash or allergic reaction symptoms, stop dovato and get medical help right away. serious or life-threatening lactic acid buildup and liver problems can occur. tell your doctor if you have kidney or liver problems, or if you are pregnant, breastfeeding, or considering pregnancy. dovato may harm an unborn baby.

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it's been one year and one day since a.j. owens was fatally shot through the front door of her neighbor's home. this was in ocala, florida where ola's children had been playing in a field next to where ola and her neighbor lived. the neighbor, susan lorenz began yelling at the children to get off her land and called them a racial slur. ola knocked on the door to address the situation. she was then shot while her son was standing there. there is an update. lorenza's trial is set to begin

this summer. pretrial conferences start on wednesday. with jury selection starting in two weeks. joining me now is pamela diaz, mother of a.j. owens. mrs. pamela, it is great to see you. thank you so much for being here. i guess the most obvious question is how are these beautiful children doing? >> joy, thank you for having me. the children, they're still in a lot of pain. honestly they're still grieving. they cry tears here on the inside outwardly. but i must say they are very resilient but still very much hurting. suffer such a tragic loss, it's really going to take some time for true healing to begin. >> yeah, and how are you? how is your heart? >> my heart is heavy.

to watch my four beautiful grandchildren go through the senseless witness and live through the senseless act of having their mother taken away from them so tragically, my heart is very heavy. saddened. but i keep going forth. >> i'm so sorry. yeah. absolutely and you have been heroic for these children. sweet isaac was on last time you were here, sitting next to you. he just stole my heart. he really did. he was so heroic trying to get help for his mom. he just stole my heart, i have never forgotten about him. has he healed? >> he did. but being that he's the oldest, he truly comprehends the

magnitude of what happened. and to see the footage of him frantically, desperately trying to seek help for his mother, it's heartbreaking. it's unimaginable. >> yeah. >> but he really, really understands and has probably the hardest time dealing with it because, he knows the severity of what has happened. >> yeah, i do recall when we covered this case, you know your town ocala, there wasn't a lot of information given to you. has there been any sense of attempting to rectify the situation, to apologize. has there been any apology from the shooter or anything like that. and what do you exto see come from this trial? >> well the shooter susan

lorenz, she doesn't show any remorse. the court appearances she displays, an air of entitlement, but there's no remorse at all. i don't expect to receive any type of apology at all. i honestly believe she thinks that, she was justified for shooting through a locked metal door. i don't know how you justify that when the person on the other side of the door is unarmed and has a 9-year-old little boy standing next to her. how do you justify that? >> yeah. and do you plan on attending the trial? >> oh, yes. i attend every single hearing. yes, i will be there without a doubt. >> what would justice look like

to you? >> i think that justice would be having susan prosecuted to the full extent of the law -- one would think that justice would be having susan prosecuted to the full extent of the law. but these children have lost their mother. their innocence, their childhood is gone forever. real justice, i don't know what that looks like. but what i do hope is that in terms of justice that, we, the american people have to come together and do something in terms of unjust shootings, eradicating that. addressing the stand your ground law. >> indeed. >> this just can't continue