international space station. the last four years, it was spacex, they had a monopoly on getting astronauts to the space station. this is a busy week when it comes to what is slated, what is scheduled for launches this week because we not only had this his -- historic moment, remember, quickly, chris, i want to mention, starship is supposed to be part of the mission to the moon, so, again, a busy week, but exciting week for space news, chris. >> marissa parra, thank you, and that does it for this hour. make sure to join us for "chris jansing reports," 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. eastern here on msnbc. our coverage continues with "katy tur reports" right now. good to be with you. i'm katy tur. what will happen if donald trump

wins the white house? his allies are telling us. time for red state ags and d.a.s to get busy said republican congressman mike collins. every facet of the republican party's politics and power has to be used right now to go toe to toe with the democrats, said his former white house adviser stephen miller. go after biden and his entire crime family, said congressman ronny jackson. time to fight fire with fire, said senator marco rubio. who nbc news now reports is on the short list for trump ears vp. in other words, i think you can sum it up as revenge. in fact, that is the very word the candidate himself is using most on his truth social app. revenge. he's even all but saying the word out loud. here is an interview he did last night with news max, regarding a potential political prosecution

of hillary clinton. hillary, with the hammering of her cell phones and all of the things she did, but wouldn't it be terrible to throw the president's wife and the former secretary of state. think of it, the former secretary of state, but the president's wife into jail, wouldn't that be a terrible thing. but they want to do it. so, you know, it's a terrible, terrible path that they're leading us to, and it's very possible that it's going to half to happen to them. but i personally thought, and i really did, you know, i got a lot of credit from a lot of people. some people said i should have done it. but, you know, would have been very easy to do it. i thought it would be a terrible precedent for our country. and now, whoever it may be, you're going to have to view it very much differently. this is a bad, bad road that they're leading us down to. >> it doesn't just stop with promises or threats of political revenge, supporters online are

calling for violent revenge. here are just a handful of the comments we found on patriot.win. quote, it's time to stock up on guns and ammo. quote, the better requested is -- idea is to burn the democratic party to the ground, and i plan on doing just that. quote, i don't have a wife or kids, i have nothing to lose. if trump says it's time to fight, i'll fight for him, and quote, trump should already know he has an army willing to fight and die for him if he says the words. i know i will. this country is at war. i'm a combat veteran. and i'll take up arms if he asks. the question is how much of this the political threats, the revenge, the violent threats does the electorate take seriously, and is what happened on january 6th enough evidence to say yes, absolutely. joining us now, msnbc legal

correspondent, lisa rubin, former u.s. attorney, former senior fbi official, and msnbc legal analyst, chuck rosenberg, punch bowl founder, jake sherman, and political correspondent and msnbc political analyst, ashley parker. you have been on this beat for as long as i have. we saw what happened in 2016. as the rallies got more heated and violent, inside and out. we saw what happened after the election in 2020. and certainly what happened on january 6th. does the electorate need to take these sorts of threats, political revenge, and violent revenge seriously? >> reporter: absolutely. to be clear, internet commentators say all sorts of things, you know, from the privacy of their own homes and the cloak of anonymity and not everyone who makes a threat is serious about it, but i think it would be at the nation's own peril not to generally take these threats seriously, and one

thing as you were doing that fantastic introduction, and going through all of those quotes that i thought of was a quote i reported that has since gone viral between election day in 2020, and january 6th. and it was a senior republican official saying, look, the president, this being trump, just needs to send out tweets, play golf, blow off steam, and then he'll go, you know, go home to mar-a-lago, and at the time, that was not an unreasonable or inconceivable viewpoint, but in hindsight, and with everything we've seen, not just january 6th but as you said, at some of the rallies, i remember penning a piece about a rally in new orleans that got very heated. i think you were there. and a little bit violent to the point where as a reporter, i packed up my bag because i thought the whole place was going to implode and i needed to be nimble to report on it. that with all of that hindsight, of course this needs to be taken

seriously. >> i remember that rally. that's one of the ones i sight when i talk about what it's like in 2016, and how the bicycle barricades, the bicycle racks, seemed very flimsy at that rally as the crowd got angrier and angrier. you and i looked at each other and said, oh, my god, things could get very ugly. i know the trump team understands the power that donald trump wields. do they actually believe the words they're saying, do they actually want to act on the words they're putting out there, the idea of political revenge. do they see a second trump term, as a way to go after their enemies? >> i mean, trump says, again, not unlike these anonymous internet trolls, trump says a lot of things but there's a very real sense, including this is something his former vice president has said publicly which is that, you know, i know donald trump and i know -- and i

take him at his word. he means what he says and he does what he says. and there is a real sense that this time he very clearly wants revenge, and retribution, and you can just so -- is he going to do every single thing he has threatened. not necessarily, but based on reporting, you can look at the people he is surrounding himself with, the people he's talking about putting into positions of power. the ways he's talking about rooting out the so-called deep state. it seems very likely that these are campaign promises that he plans to follow through on. >> and now it's not just republicans looking the other way or saying i didn't see that quote or i'm not sure, he doesn't mean what he says, now you have republican lawmakers saying, yeah, we got to get revenge. listen to ronny jackson, who by the way was the white house doctor under president obama and vice president biden before he was the white house doctor for donald trump. let's listen.

>> president biden should just be ready because on january 20th next year, when he's former president joe biden, what's good for the goose is good for the gander, and i am going to encourage all of my colleagues, and everybody that i have any influence over as a member of congress to aggressively go after the president and his entire family, his entire crime family for all of the misdeeds that are out there related to this family. >> jake, not so long ago, that used to be extreme rhetoric, and the republican party as a whole didn't totally align themselves with it. now you have mainstream republicans saying the same thing. marco rubio saying we need to fight fire with fire. what is going on with marco rubio, is this all about becoming the vice president? >> let me start with ronny jackson, katy. ronny jackson today like three or four hours ago was appointed by speaker mike johnson to fill a vacancy on the house intelligence committee. this puts him at literally the highest point in the

congressional intelligence apparatus, and he'll oversee the cia, the nsa, divisions of the fbi, various intelligence organizations, and he will get some of the most sensitive intelligence documents and assessments and just information that the united states government has. and that shows you who the republican party is today, that somebody who says those things is then put on the intelligence committee, and further more, let me add one more thing. scott perry who was key in donald trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election and had his phone confiscated by the fbi in a federal probe is also -- has also just been appointed to the house intelligence committee, he'll oversee the fbi that was investigating him. so we've really taken a turn, even here on capitol hill, and i want to mention one other thing

before i get to rubio very quickly. marjorie taylor greene who's easy to dismiss because of her outlandish rhetoric told me in a conversation outside the speaker's office that she would withhold various funds from various prosecutors and suggested that chuck schumer should intervene if he wants those funds in the new york case that convicted donald trump, and get the judge to overturn it. i mean, these things, katy, would be, again, easy to dismiss, because they're from fringe elements of the party, but unlike ten years ago, five years ago, seven years ago, the fringe elements of the party are driving the agenda. so i think that you could foresee if trump is in the white house, and republicans are in the house majority, that we're just going to be in a forget, you know, leave aside january 6th who was horrific in and of

itself, we're going to be in a completely new realm in legislative politics in which all bets are really off. given what we're seeing right now. >> there's also proposed legislation, talk about what the republicans want to do regarding allowing the president to move state cases to federal court? >> well, there's a whole host of things that republicans want to do to respond to this conviction of donald trump. but i would say most notably and most immediately, i think, it's important to focus on the fact that they want to withhold money from prosecutors. there's a government funding deadline coming up at the end of september. the question is will they shut down the government at the behest of donald trump, right before the election to make some point or defund some prosecutor or try to do so. i think that is completely possible and there's going to be elements in the party that want to do that. effectively, they are doing -- after this conviction, they see kind of a sea change in the

fringe versus the establishment, versus the government battle that they have been fighting for so long. >> there's a real market change in the rhetoric for the republican better we witnessed over the past few months, especially in the past few days. let's talk about steve bannon and the way he is influencing republican lawmakers. let's listen to steve bannon on his april 24th podcast. >> we're already working behind the scenes. we're going to force jordan to do that. all jordan's given, and you can talk to the trump team, all he's done is happy talk. comber and him don't know where they're going, you haven't done the weaponization of government. you have done a terrible job on the impeachment, you haven't had the doj accountable for anything. it's about air ball for a year and a half for the u.s. head of judiciary. >> lisa rubin, talk to me about that. >> steve bannon is trying to

deflect not only from donald trump's conviction but from his own. katy, tomorrow, steve bannon is due in a federal courtroom, having lost an appeal of his contempt of congress conviction that stemmed from his not respond to go a subpoena from the january 6th investigation, he lost an appeal of that conviction, and now the department of justice is saying it's time for steve bannon to start serving his sentence. he is due in a federal courthouse tomorrow, he's also scheduled to be tried here in new york in september. by who? by judge juan merchan, the same judge who oversaw trump's conviction. it's not surprising that steve bannon is trying to get into the former president's good graces in the hopes that if nothing else, he could pardon him once again. i note that the response bannon started has had a response, right. jim jordan has sent now a letter to attorney general garland, demanding documents relating to the employment at the department of justice by a prosecutor on alvin bragg's team.

he has also asked alvin bragg and that prosecutor to come in for a june 13th hearing of the select subcommittee on the weaponization of federal government. they are trying to make an example of alvin bragg, and they are going to torment him if nothing less, between now and november. >> chuck, david graham, at the atlantic had a really interesting piece, arguing if it matters if the prosecution against president trump was "politico," and he says because trump's defenders are understood willing to argue that he didn't falsify records, or that it shouldn't be a crime, he argues they are actually arguing that he should get a pass on crimes, they view as minor because he's a political figure. the american justice system is never held that someone should be immune for repercussions for their actions or behavior simply because they're a politician. he says, this is what the republicans are arguing here. so when the republicans go after or promise to go after democrats, and say ag, state ags

and d.a.s, and the doj should get control of it should actively get involved, what does that look like in practice? >> well, katy, i mean, take a step back. why was donald trump convicted in the manhattan courtroom. the answer is because the government had the facts to meet their burden of proof and a jury greed unanimously. saying that you want to prosecute someone, saying that you want revenge, saying that it's our turn now is very different than having a valid investigation with sufficient proof to obtain a conviction of proof beyond a reasonable doubt. at one level, it's just a bunch of some not very smart people saying some not very smart things. on the other hand, there is a danger, right, the weaponization of the criminal justice system, even if it doesn't result in a conviction, right, the mental toll, the financial toll, the being investigated and charged

is still steep. so we ought to take this seriously. we ought to not overreact to it because as i said, these are some not very smart people once again, saying not very smart things, in order to convict someone, katy, you actually need the facts and if they don't have facts they won't be succeeding. if they have facts, democrats or tall people or whoever commit crimes, charge them, have at it. >> that's a good point. there was a durham investigation, by the way, the republican, donald trump appointed durham to investigate the investigators, and he came back with nothing. lisa rubin, ashley parker, jake sherman, chuck rosenberg, thank you very much for starting us off on what is a very serious day, frankly. still ahead, what donald trump's conviction may or may not mean for the 2024 election. chuck todd has thoughts about

who to look out for in particular. and it is day three of the hunter biden trial. what happened when his ex-wife took the stand. first up, senator patty murray says it's a simple question, do you support the right to contraception or no? what republicans will do when faced with a key vote on that issue later this hour. we're back in 90 seconds. back is react to fast-moving markets with dynamic charting and a futures ladder that lets you place, flatten, or reverse orders so you won't miss an opportunity. e*trade from morgan stanley i used to leak urine when i coughed, laughed or exercised. i couldn't even enjoy playing with my kids. i leaked too. i just assumed it was normal. then we learned about bulkamid. an fda approved non-drug solution for our condition.

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simple vote. if you believe all women deserve to have contraception, then you should vote for this bill. that's all there is to it. in about 30 minutes, senate majority leader chuck schumer will call a floor vote on legislation to protect contraceptives. in another lifetime, you might have said to yourself, what, why would there ever need to be a vote on contraceptives? this is not that lifetime. after roe v. wade was overturned, nothing is safe. and those worries don't exactly seem unfounded when republicans say they'll vote no on legislation like is this. joining us now, nbc news capitol hill correspondent, ali vitali. why don't republicans like this legislation? >> reporter: they have their own, katy, senator joe -- democrats say theirs leave less gaps, less ways to impede access to contraceptive care, and that's why they prefer their

bill. republicans explaining why they're going to vote this down, they will vote this down, it sounds a little bit like this in the halls of congress. watch. >> it's not a serious attempt to legislate. this is just a show vote in anticipation of the election. democrats think they can win this case, this election based on reproductive rights. and somehow they're suggesting that contraception is in jeopardy, which is blatantly false. >> nobody is going to overturn griswold, who wants to ban contraception? where would that pass? it's not mine. my state is a pro life state. i can tell you, no way. >> reporter: senator hawley is talking about griswold, he's talking about another landmark decision out of the supreme court that in this case dealt with privacy and medication. it's similar and is often talked at in the same breath as roe was, katy.

ro not just established the right to abortion access. it was considered one of the rulings that would not be struck down. now that we're in a post roe environment, it's why you're seeing democrats try to force votes like this on contraception in an attempt, even though it will fail, to just highlight where republicans are on this issue. >> clarence thomas of the supreme court talked about overturning griswold, and he also talked about potentially overturning gay marriage. all of those decisions based in the same law that roe v. wade was based in. ali vitali, thank you very much. joining us, director of university of virginia senator politics and editor and chief of the crystal ball, larry sabado. how much do issues like this matter for this election? >> they matter a lot. i think the very best positive issue that democrats have is about reproductive rights and not just the overturning of roe,

but also in this case, the potential dangers to contraception and the very real attempt in some states, some very conservative states with republican legislators and republican governors to deny the right of access to contraceptives, you know, back to the 50s i guess. this is a very good issue for democrats, and this vote is a smart move by senator schumer, it gets all the republicans on the record, and when you get a no vote to something like this, you can translate it almost immediately into a very good negative tv ad. >> how about the vote later this month on ivf, same thing? >> absolutely. after alabama, republicans cannot simply dismiss the idea that it could never happen because it's already happened. a republican supreme court in alabama essentially banned ivf. and the republicans in the legislature and the governor

realizing what a disaster it was, had to work overtime to try to get it reversed, at least temporarily, and the same thing can happen in many other conservative states. people have been paying attention. they're angry about it. the horror stories have been building up. you have seen them on the news, as recently as last night. terrible cases of abortions being prevented, even when the woman's life is in danger. and these other decisions that are being made at the state level day after day. that will cause people to think twice about their votes. >> so when they vote, are they voting on the issue and voting for senators, democratic senators, are they voting for democratic representatives? does that translate to the top of the ticket? there was reporting out of arizona that suggested that arizonians would come out to protect the right to an abortion in their constitution, in the state's constitution but that they wouldn't necessarily then go a step further and vote for

president biden on the ballot come november that with protecting abortion, they then felt freer to vote for donald trump. >> well, essentially it boils down to this, you've got an additional increment of voters who will try to predict -- protect abortion rights and other reproductive rights who are republican or conservative leaning independents. now, many, maybe even most of them will still vote republican for president and other offices, but some of them will flake off, and will vote for the democratic candidates because they are angry about the decisions that republicans on the u.s. supreme court, the state legislatures, and the governor's offices have made on these subjects. so you're going to gain votes for the democratic side. we can argue about what percentage is added, but in a close election year like this one, any percentage can matter. >> you have your crystal ball, who has the edge right now. who do you see taking this

through? >> you mean for president? >> yeah. >> oh, for president, well, i do believe it's going to be a close election. i do think that president biden has to make up some ground, certainly on his approval level. and if we can get his approval level up, i think it will increase his vote. you've got a lot of states that are essential to biden's reelection. being entirely too close. given everything that's happened to donald trump, but, you know, that's why we have a long campaign. you have the opportunity to change people's minds and bring to their attention, issues they may have forgotten about or ignored. >> larry sabato, thank you very much, always appreciate your expertise on this issues. thanks. once upon a time a criminal conviction of a former president or any candidate, frankly, would have ended a political campaign, and political ambitions for the future. that is not the reality we live in today.

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it is day three of hunter biden's trial on felony gun charges. his ex-wife briefly took the stand this morning. she painted a grim picture of a failing marriage, eroded by hunter biden's addiction to crack cocaine. a picture filled in by his ex-girlfriend who testified seeing hunter biden smoking crack every 20 minutes. now on the stand, the gun seller, gordon cleveland. joining us is nbc news correspondent, ryan nobles who's in wilmington, delaware, for us. talk about what happened today? >> reporter: well, what we see playing out here, katy, is the prosecution is attempting to establish the fact that hunter biden was in a cycle of addiction for more than four years, and within that four-year

period was that period of time where he checked a box on a federal form that allowed him to purchase a gun that said he was not an active drug user. what the defense did is trying to rebut is it's impossible to get into his state of mind when he checked that box, and that he very well could have believed he was in a period of recovery when he went to buy that gun and therefore was not in violation of the law. but bringing out these witnesses, these people with intimate knowledge of what his past was like during that period of time, his ex-wife who first found a crack pipe in their house. that's how she discovered his drug use, and the girlfriend, where she witnessed him over and over again, smoking crack, buying drugs. at times, he would smoke crack every 20 minutes. they're demonstrating even during those periods of time where he tried to get clean, he would quickly relapse. it's hard to believe when he checked that box he didn't know what his state of mind was like

at that time. there's a long way to go in the trial, katy. we're expected to hear more testimony, particularly from haley biden, the widow of beau biden, hunter biden's late brother. he and haley biden had a romantic relationship. she actually took the gun from his car and attempted to throw it away. that's how this whole entire saga started. so her testimony could be key to putting this all together and putting it in the hands of the jury here in the next couple of days. >> we got a note from the hill. representatives comer, jordan, smith, have referred hunter and james biden to the doj for criminal prosecution. what are they talking about? >> reporter: yeah, well, this is an outcrop of the impeachment inquiry that these various house republican committees have been spearheading over the past couple of months. their goal was to file

impeachment articles against the president himself. that effort has largely fizzled. this in many ways is an exit ramp for them. they referred both hunter biden and james biden to the department of justice for the criminal charge of lying to congress. arguing that the testimony that hunter and james biden gave under oath is not true. it didn't implicate the president, joe biden, as part of this elaborate scream that republicans believed that hunter biden and his uncle were a part of that they believe president biden was complicit in. the problem is they haven't got any evidence to support that theory. what they're trying to do here is put this in the hands of merrick garland and put a political pressure campaign on him to investigate this further. it likely won't work, katy. >> they also say the ag should demonstrate he's not running a two-tiered system of justice. ryan nobles, thank you very much. coming up, what happened

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there are only so many times you can use the word unprecedented before it sounds meaningless, but that is where we are, and it's why it's become

basically impossible to predict where we're going. but if you're going to try, set your gps to undecided voters, and ask yourself, what do they want. better yet, ask them. joining us now, nbc news chief political analyst, chuck todd. so i thought your piece today was interesting, again, unprecedented, as you remark as well. how many times can we say this. when you look at the undecided voters, you talk about transactional versus aspirational voters. explain the difference there. >> i would put it this way, to talk about in terms of today, if you're worried about the democracy, you're thinking about your vote as what's in the best interest of the country. if you're worried about the price of groceries and what's happening with the economy, it's a bit more transactional, what does this mean for me. i think that's why i sort of look at everything through the prism right now of who hasn't decided. you know, and it goes to a question about does this verdict

matter? well, does it matter to those that are undecided. that's the way i would ask the question. i think right now, all the polling, i titled the column "the fog of polls" for a reason. it's a little foggy because we have never been through this before. we've had two presidents run against each other in over a hundred years in this country. oh, by the way, that's only happened once. right? so we don't have a lot of historical context. i will say this. if you look at it through the prism of personal failings, character and moral failings, well, i think the verdict is in. right? every presidential candidate that has had this front and center, it's turned out not to be as damaging as maybe a lot of the professional types thought it would be. the voters thought differently, you can go back to grover cleveland who had a child out of wedlock, they thought it was going to end his candidacy, he

won the election. >> you talk about transactional, and aspirational voters, you make a point that's interesting, the aspirational voters have decided. if you are worried about democracy, you're worried about democracy, and you know who you're going to vote for. it's certainly not going to be donald trump given what's going on. why is the biden campaign still running so heavily on donald trump as a threat to democracy. >> it's a great question. every strategist not working if the biden campaign is asking the very same question. right? the only ones defending this strategy are those that are working for the biden campaign. it goes to not that -- and nobody wants to say it isn't important, it is. the question s if your goal is to get one more vote than your opponent, you've got to be talking to the voters that are left and why aren't they with you, right, and this is where it's more front and center. look, we have a bad track record, both in the media, and frankly, political strategists do. they always are trying to fight the last campaign. and at the end of the day,

voters are always looking forward. they're always looking forward. right? republicans learned this lesson in the 1998 impeachment of bill clinton. bill clinton looked forward, and the voters sent the republicans a message. so it is in that context that, you know, a lot of these strategists, whether it's stan greenberg from the clinton era, folks that worked on the obama campaign, they say you need to be talking about what the voters that are undecided are worried about, and you know what they're worried about, cost of living. >> isn't that a change candidate? somebody who could inspire something. we look at this election now, and the vast majority of the public is not excited about either one of these candidates, and given that a change candidate is what public is asking for, are you a bit surprised? we have the republican party which is so firmly entrenched with donald trump, are you surprised the democrats are cool with running joe biden? >> look, here's the thing, i've always thought that, whichever

party surrendered their nominee first, the other party would scramble and try to change their nominee too. we are in a situation that feels awfully familiar to the situation you are in a front row seat in in 2016, katy, which the only candidate trump might be able to beat is biden, and the only candidate biden might be able to beat is trump. and this is, i think, a real challenge for biden. four years ago, he was change. this year, if you don't like the status quo, you know, where do you go? do you go to a third party? do you decide to go back to the other president because he sounds like, well, he wants to shake things up. that's a tough place. when you have 70 plus percent who think the country is headed in the wrong direction, and you're trying to run a status quo campaign, that's a very steep hill to climb. >> there are arguments out there being made that maybe this is the reason the parties themselves should have power, separate from the nominees.

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amanda knox was back in italy today. she was there hoping for a not guilty verdict in a side case surrounding the 2007 murder of her roommate, meredith kercher. knox was convicted and exonerated, but she was held liable for slander for accusing an innocent man of the murder during her italian interrogation. a conviction that was up held today. joining us now from florence, italy, is nbc news chief international correspondent keir simmons. why is this up again? wasn't this already decided? >> reporter: it was and then it wasn't, katy, and really that's been the story for amanda knox for years and years. and today, we just saw how emotional it still is for her. she wiped away tears. she had a long embrace with her husband. she sat down in the courtroom for a long time after she heard that she was being re-convicted,

not for the murder which she was convicted of and then acquitted of on appeal, but for another part of this, for accusing somebody else of murder. a shocking verdict for amanda knox, convicted for slander. an italian court upholding a 16-year-old ruling. knox had been trying to clear her name. back in that courtroom for the first time in almost 13 years. her lawyer speaking to us moments later saying she is too emotional to talk publicly for now. >> amanda is very upset. we're very surprised of the outcome of the decision. >> this was her then, age 20, hours after her roommate was murdered in the idyllic roommate was murdered. this time, she's accused of slander saying a bar owner took part in the murder. she later recanted, but the borrower spent a few weeks in jail. knox allegedly made the alleges

during interrogation by italian police following the murder. meredith kirsch are was found half naked with 40 stab wounds. police searched the blood-stained apartment, and arrested the american and the man she had been dating for a week. they would spend four year behind bars, face three jury trials and she would testify of being hit by police, her interrogation without a lawyer. one of the lawyers gave me a smack and said, remember, remember, she told the court today. she was finally freed and exonerated by italy's highest court, the real killer has served a 13-year sentence. for amanda knox, no end to what she calls a nightmare. >> what is the next step on appeal? >> we have the right to appeal, but this is a court of appeals decision. before making the decision, i would like to real more.

>> she was sentenced to three years in prison, a sentence she won't served, because she's already been locked up here in four years, wrongfully, it turns out, because she was acquitted on appeal. she also has to pay all of the court fees, the fees of the prosecution, and also compensation. so it's a real setback for her. as you heard, her lawyer telling me they do have the option to appeal. amanda knox came here thinking she would really put this behind her, and instead she seems to be facing another battle. >> and she said she barely spoke italian when she was interrogated and made that statement about the bar owner. keir simmons, thank you very much. up next, we're going to go to normandy, france, for the 80th anniversary of d-day. anni. would come and go, i figured it wasn't a big deal. then i saw my doctor and found out i have afib,

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france early this morning to commemorate thursday's d-day anniversary. nbc news foreign correspondent kellie cobiella is there with more. >> reporter: a hero's welcome. back on french soil, saluted and celebrated, most returning for the last time. these veterans were young men, some teenagers, eight decades ago, all here on the fateful day. what do you think, floyd? >> i think it's great. let's keep it going. >> floyd is 103, dick runyan once 104 in the fall. floyd flew above, given covering. >> to me, it looked like every ship and boat in the world was right out there.

>> dead bodies were already washing to shore when i got there. >> announcer: this was to be the longest days. >> reporter: june 6th, 1944, d-day. the u.s. and its allied stormed the beaches of normandy, breaking through nazi defenses, a massive assault that would lead to allied victory. the number of those still alive to tell the stories of that day disappearing fast, the average age now 100. ed betterhold is back for the first time. he bombed a key bridge on d-day. it was only his third mission. were you scared? >> oh, yeah. [ laughter ] as you approached the target, the bombing would be going off around you. i hope it helped there was one with my name on it. >> reporter: more than 4,000 allied troops died in the first

24 hours. ed wrote home the next day -- dear mom, just a few lines to tell you we are all okay. we flew mission number 10 on detail. >> reporter: for so many vets, it's a chance to revisit the past. dick rung kept a journal, saving mementoes. >> that's a piece of shrapnel. >> reporter: like this tiny piece of a german bomb that exploded close to his boat. and a chance to honor friends, with a message for younger generations. >> i want them to learn to live. i want them to respect their fellow man, and doing this stupid fighting. >> reporter: dick and floyd say this will be their last trip to 24th beaches, a place where, even 80 years later, they're still remembered as heroes.

that's so emotional. what an incredible story from kellie cobiella. that does it for me. "deadline: white house" starts right now. ♪♪ his, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. threats and intimidation leading to doxing and stalking, apparently not enough for donald trump and his acolytes. now trump allies are plotting revenge and their retaliation against the people who have the audacity to hold the expresident