we'll give it to you. in there for a strike. how about a round of applause for kerry sanders from the nbc today morning show. >> i miss him. he was a correspondent for nbc news for 32 years. we all wondered what he was going to do when he retired but now it looks like he might have a new career on the mown. great job kerry. we miss you, what an awesome way to end our night. i wish you all a very good night. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thanks for staying up late. we'll see you at the end of tomorrow. today has been a lesson in how every accusation from the republican party these days is really actually a confession. >> are you weaponnizing the house, the same way, you say democrats were weaponnizing the doj to get what they wanted?

are you just doing it in a bigger platform with the entire house of representatives? >> no. there is a very clear distinction between what we are doing and what they have done in weaponnizing the judicial system. they are undermining the people's faith in our institutions. our system of justice system. what we are doing is the opposite. we are trying to adhere to the rule of law. >> that was republican speaker of the house mike johnson this afternoon saying that the republican party is just trying to adhere to the rule of law. now, a few hours were that interview, speaker johnson made a huge decision which shows that is plainly not the case. as speaker of the house, one of the most important things johnson does is decide who from his party sits on house committees. among the most important committees for the rule of law in this country is the house intelligence committee. today speaker johnson appointed scott perry and ronnie jackson to the two open seat on that

committee. when i say this decision fly ins the face of the rule of law, it is not only because perry and jackson are big time election deniers. they most certainly are. but there are also all of the individual actions these two particular congressmen have taken that demonstrate just how little respect they have for the rule of law and for the institution of democracy on whole. congressman scott perry had a very significant role in the attempt to overturn the 2020 election. he was the congressman who tried to get mark meadows to investigate the conspiracy theory that italian satellites were swapping out biden votes for trump votes. he met with mark meadows before he literally set fire to papers in his office. an effort to get president trump to appoint the very

malleable mr. clark as attorney general. and to steal the 2020 election. trump ultimately did appoint jeffrey clark to serve for one hot second by the way, we know that now. congressman perry was also one of the people president trump talked with about going to the capitol on january 6th. and, he was one of the people who asked president trump for a preemptive parody after january 6th. and then when the house january 6th committee subpoenaed congressman perry to ask him about the above, perry refused to comply. but wait, there is more. to this day, congressman scott perry is in an ongoing lawsuit against the department of justice trying to keep the doj from using the information on

his phone. but, rule of law. rule of law here folks. this guy. he is one of the guys speaker johnson believes should be overseeing the fbi. then there is the other guy. congressman ronnie jackson. he was the white house physician under president trump. do you remember him? he was the one who put out the glowing statements about how healthy president trump was and how he just might live to be 200 years old. ronnie jackson is now a far right congressman from texas who pushes conspiracy theories and says anthony fauci belongs in jail. here was congressman jackson responding to trump's guilty verdict last week. >> be ready. stick to the gander. and i am going to encourage all of my colleagues and everybody i had any influence over as a

member of congress to go after the president and his entire family. >> subtle. these are the guys. these are the guys speaker johnson is giving a seat on the committee that oversees our nation's intelligence agencies. one congressman who is not only actively involved in the plot to overturn the 2020 election but is actively refusing to cooperate with law enforcement about all of it. and another congressman who last week out loud on television said congress should be using its powers to go after president biden and his family. >> look, we are the rule of law team. we believe in the rule of law. >> team rule of law. yesterday speaker johnson laid out plans to weaponnize the house's oversight powers to general up retaliatory investigations against democrats and president biden as sort of a republican response to trump's conviction by a jury of his peers in new york city. and you can bet a good chunk of

those investigations will come out of the house's republican led committee on the weaponnization of the federal government. every republican allegation here is actually a confession. but what makes this so much worse, these revenge fantasies are not just coming from them. this is where the whole party is. the gop is the party of vengeance. this is what florida senator marco rubio said after trump's conviction. it is time to fight fire emoji with fire emoji. >> i'm talking about for tat. you just wait. and it won't be hunter biden. the next time. it is going to be joe biden. it could potentially still be barack obama. it could be hillary clinton. >> you have to get in the game

republicans. is every house committee rolled by americans using its subpoena power in every way it needs to right now with every republican da? >> we need some brave district attorneys in the united states to step forward and take action. >> they need to be put on defense. hit them with a blow torch. >> it's a terrible precedent for the country. does that mean the next president does it to them? that's the question. it is a terrible, terrible path they are leading us to and it is very possible that it will have to happen to them. >> joining me now is massachusetts senator, democrat, elizabeth warren. senator warren, thank you so much for being here. i remember a time when marco rubio, your colleague in the senate, had at least a residence on earth one where facts are facts and reality is reality. i have to get your thoughts on

his statement. his tweet saying our current president is a demented man propped up by wicked and deranged people willing to destroy our country to remain in power. it is time to fight fire with fire. your thoughts? >> this revenge fantasy is truly alarming. i understand these are people who have taken their oath of loyalty to donald trump. not to the constitution or the people of the united states of america but to this one man. and they suck up, they do whatever it is that he wants them to do. the direction we have gone in now, we all understand. using our court system for retribution is wrong. and there is absolutely zero evidence that the 34 felony convictions against donald trump had anything to do with political retribution and yet

the republicans in this fevered moment have decided that the only way they can explain a that their candidate is a convicted felon. can i say that again? a convicted felon who has said he wants to be dictator on day one. that the only way they can explain that is to head off into their planning to do retribution. somehow they think that will spill backwards into what happened in the courts in new york? none of this makes any sense. it doesn't add up except to say it is about tearing down our government. it is about tearing down our institutions. i believe the reason they want to do that is they don't want a government that functions. we are trying to show we can actually make government work for people. we can make government an instrument of roads and bridges and things that work better for

the rest of america. we can cancel student loan debt and get $35 insulin. the kinds of things that joe biden has been doing. what these republicans want. they want to use government for power, for donald trump and for themselves. and that is truly a threat for our democracy. >> i would love to follow up on that. now scott perry and ronnie jackson will be sitting on a house committee that oversees spy agencies and has access to sensitive classified information. i mean as a prominent democrat, does that scare you? >> yeah! it really does! i am alarmed by every step they are taking. and by the fact that people who are less and less attached to reality. are moving into ever more powerful positions in the house of representatives. and i worry we are getting some

evidence that it is not far behind. this is an alarming moment. five months from today. we'll have an election. and when people say democracy is on the ballot, this is a big part of what we are talking about. do you believe in government? do you try to support government? do you make your loyalty to the constitution and the people of the united states? or is it all about one man and how ever much you have to distort the facts, however much you have to lie or engage in ugly and mean retribution fantasies, you will do it if it satisfies that one man. that's the choice in front of us and i have to say i'm glad i'm on the democratic side with joe biden who is at heart a decent and good man who wants government to work for people. >> as we talk about republican

revenge fantasies. senator katie britt of alabama called democratic efforts to pass protection for contraception today on the senate floor part of a summer of scare tactics. first, if you could, respond to the notion that protecting contraception is a partisan scare tactic. >> okay, so let's be really clear. what she is really saying is that if we talk about what the republicans are threatening to do, we will scare america and i think that's right. because look at it this way. what have the republicans done so far? they told us two-and-a-half years ago. now, nobody was going to touch roe v. wade. right? then donald trump gets an extremist supreme court in place and the first chance they get, they pitch out roe v. wade. they don't take a little bite

out of it. they just throw the whole thing out. while they are throwing it out, clarence thomas says as long as we are throwing out roe, let's take a look at throwing out griswold which ten years earlier had protected access to contraception. in addition to that, the speaker of the house and a majority of republicans in the house of representatives are cosponsors on a bill about life begins at conception. that would actually make illegal certain forms of contraception. iuds , plan b. in addition to that, there are extremist groups out there lobbying to take away access to contraception. then we have donald trump himself. who just two weeks ago said yeah, that he was going to take a look at putting restrictions

on contraceptions. then as if all that were not enough, understand that today in the united states senate, all but two republicans when given a chance to vote on what about a federal law to protect access to contraception. that's all the bill really said, only two republicans said i would support that. the rest of them either voted no or ran for the hills so they wouldn't have to say in public how they feel about taking away access to contraception. you better believe that americans should be scared about what republicans want to do. because they are coming after abortion everywhere in this country. they are coming after ivf in this country. and they are coming after contraception. not just in red states. but nationally. red states, blue states, purple

states. everywhere. it is an extremist agenda and america should be alarmed. >> senator elizabeth warren, thank you for joining me this evening and offering your wisdom and perspective on all of this. really appreciate your time. >> you bet. i want to turn now to jamelle. we were just talking with senator warren about the revenge fantasies and i think part of the reason we have seen such a shocking response is because they are legitimately shaken by the 34 felony counts. what do you interpret, an unprecedented spoken out loud plot to break the law in a partisan agenda? >> roar, this furious anger over the conviction is an expression of the fact they know it is not good for your

party's guy to be a convicted felon. it is not good. over americans attitudes about the convictions not good. when majorities of americans are saying yeah, that seems about right. seems right that donald trump is guilty of fraud and that the conviction was the right choice. there is very, honestly, surprisingly little divisiveness among the public about the justice of this ruling and i will know you have not really seen republicans actually deny the charges against trump. you haven't seen republicans try to speak to his good name. donald trump could never have done what he was charged with. and that to me is the clear sign that republicans know this is not an ideal situation. >> the myth of donald trump is that he is immune to scandal.

the truth of donald trump is very far from the myth. yes, he is shameless. yes, he is surrounded by a cult of personality, but neither has made him invulnerable to the blows of political combat. then the polling you were talking about before the verdict, this was new york times college polling before the verdict, trump was up by three points. after the verdict, he is up by one point. now, i know that is not a sizable enough margin to assuage the concerns of a lot of folks but the fact of the matter is we are a couple of days out and it is, however incrementally having an effect. especially among young nonwhite voters who are largely disengaged from the political process. how do you read that? >> yeah. i think we are still at this stage in the election where your typical voters are not paying all that much attention. but as you move through the summer, as we move into the fall and i expect we will hear

this steady drum beat about the president being a convicted felon. his sentencing is in july right before the republican national convention. that will be a big moment for this story as well. i expect that as more voters really tune in and begin to kind of internalize what they have learned about trump, they think seriously not just about their preference but their vote intention. this might make a dent. that might at the very least keep trump from consolidating voters he needs to actually win the election. so, i mean, the way i have been thinking about it is if trump were acquitted, right? we would all recognize that this was a big victory for the former president. and so, him being convicted on 34 counts which i got to be honest, i was a little surprised. him being convicted, it stands to reason that it is an

obstacle to his efforts to win a second term. >> right? it says something about maybe getting convicted on 34 felony counts is not a boon. but one of the tightest senate races in the country, tim shihi is trying to run on trump's conviction to win a senate race that could decide the control of the upper chamber so everybody is looking at this differently. jamelle with the new york times. thank you very much for being here. >> thank you. >> we have a lot this evening including revelations about a secret plan to influence democratic lawmakers like house democratic leader hakeem jeffries. we will tell you what that plot is. plus the judge overseeing the criminal prosecution of donald trump in florida makes the latest in a long series of decisions that seem to be helping the guy who appointed her. that's next. guy who appointed her. that's next.

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donald trump may have lost his new york city criminal case, but the delays in his criminal prosecutions in florida and georgia are dealing him a pretty winning hand. today in georgia, the state's court of appeals put the election conspiracy prosecution against trump on hold until at least october when the court takes up trump's motion to disqualify fulton county da fani willis. and judge aileen cannon continues to entertain a very long list of arguments to dismiss this case entirely. and in the next hearing, trump's attorneys will argue jack smith's appointment as special counsel was unconstitutional. judge cannon is not only taking

valuable court time to hear a matter that has been adjudicated in other courts, she is also taking the remarkable step of allowing lawyers who are not a part of the case to come to court and join in on the oral arguments. >> she had never in her career seen something like what judge cannon is doing now, inviting guest conservative lawyers to come to the court and sing their song. >> mary and i talked about this earlier. and we are hard pressed to think of any situation where a district court judge, a trial court judge not only entertained these briefs, but then permitted them to come into court and argue their

case. it's like inviting random folks in off the street who don't have a stake in the case to come and express their views. you extremely rarely will see this with the government entity. the justice department in a case where the government has a stake in the issues but this is just a little bit off the wall to put it politely. this is a judge who complained she can't set a trial date in this case because she has a backlog of motions. here she is taking a day just to hear one issue in a moment that could have just as easily been decided after she shared the briefs. trial judges only hear oral argument if they are outstanding issues that i have concerns about after reading the briefs. here all the issues are adequately addressed. >> does it suggest she is looking for a way to giuliani dismiss the case? everything she has done so far

seems farfetched. is this her way out of the case? >> there is a district of columbia court of appeals decision from the muller investigation era that says this is constitutional, end of story. the court of appeals reached that decision unanimously. they didn't struggle in their opinion but it is fair for judge cannon who is in a different circuit that hasn't decided that issue to make her own independent decision. here is the reality. if she dismisses the case on this basis, jack smith will go straight to the 11th circuit. i bet he has the notice of appeal sitting on his desk just in case she rules that way so he can jump onto it. i don't think it will take the court of appeals in atlanta

very long to reverse her if she rules that way. >> i would assume he is prepared given her track record thus far. speaking of court of appeals i got to ask your opinion of what is happening in georgia. to some degree it is not that surprising that the court of appeals would say let's work out this other issue and put the rest of the case on hold. but i wonder your assessment about how imperilled fani willis is in terms of prosecuting this case and taking it to trial. >> i think it is hard to say. the judge wrote a detailed and serious opinion based on days worth of taking evidence. how much time does it take for us to get to a point where we can move forward whether it is willis or someone else at the helm? >> do you have a sense, joyce,over when we talk about

any of these cases getting back on track? what are you most hopeful about? there are three big ones that are effectively sort of in various states of limbo. do you have a lead horse if any? >> so, hopeful is a little bit of a tough word here. i think the case that we would all like to see tried is the case about january 6th. the case that impacts each of our rights as americans. and whether or not a former president tried to deny our right to cast a vote. and that case could get on track depending on what the supreme court does and how quickly they do it. but of course, the florida case, the southern district of florida case is extraordinarily serious. because it involves how a candidate for the presidency mishandled classified information and potentially catastrophic ways. i think it is extremely unlikely that we will see a trial in that case before the end of the year but you know, the interesting thing is we all by end of the trump narrative,

that these cases won't get to trial that it is too late. forget it. everything is about what voters do. and that's very true in a sense. voters will ultimately make a decision on trump's fitness to serve. but if trump is not elected, these cases will go to trial shortly after the first of the year. and that is one way of bringing this situation to a close and seeking justice. >> that is the intention of my question. we shouldn't dismiss these cases as wiped away in november because if joe biden wins, donald trump is going to trial more than once. joyce vance, thank you for making the time. great to see you. >> thanks. still to come this evening, have is a thing senate republicans really, really, really do not want to get on the record about. and today's senate democrats forced their hand. we will ex-plain coming up. and house speaker mike johnson is using the war in gaza against democrats. we'll have more on that coming

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paid a private firm to push pro israel messaging through hundreds of fake social media accounts. it targeted black democrats like hakeem jeffries and senator rafael warnock. thatthat is exacerbated by top congressional leaders formally inviting benjamin netanyahu to speak before a joint session of congress. politico reports if speaker johnson was hoping to unite republicans and divide democrats by inviting the polarizing prime minister, he is already succeeding beyond anyone's wildest expectations. joining me now is ben rhodes. former deputy adviser under president obama and host of pod save the world. i feel like the world cell phone was bandied about. and i do wonder if you have a working theory about how and why

he has no plans to achieve in gaza. this comes as a massive political lifeline to show he can resist pressure from president biden and stand up and get standing ovations in the u.s. congress. it is pretty clear what is in it for mike johnson and the republicans and donald trump who i i'm sure bibi netanyahu would like to see as the next president. they get to unify their support. they get to divide democrats who have different views of this subject. what is astonishing to me is the democratic leadership in the house and senate would go along for what is so transparently an effort to exploit their divisions. for the political benefit of the republican party and bibi netanyahu.

we saw this movie before in 2014 when the democratic leadership did not join the republicans inviting netanyahu to speak to congress. so, this is a known goal. this is a cell phone at a precarious time in the war in gaza. >> i think a lot of people have forgotten that. what are the meaningful differences between then and now? >> back then, the speaker of the house of the republicans john boehner took it upon himself to invite bibi netanyahu directly without even telling the white house. and netanyahu didn't notify us in the white house before he accepted that invitation. so that was an entirely partisan exercise designed to undercut and attack barack obama's foreign policy. this time this has been brewing a longer period of time. but let's be clear alex. this was not something joe biden had anything to do with.

by all reports mike johnson was negotiating this directly with netanyahu. that is very unusual. i can't think of any other country where the foreign leader negotiates his appearance before a joint leader of congress with the opposition leader in congress. that tells you everything you need to know about the kind of political overlapping interesting here. this time around, they essentially jammed leader schumer and jeffreys with this decision. and they for whatever reason decided to give it the bipartisan cover. that is important. inviting him here. rolling out the carpet. that will give netanyahu a boost at home and make it harder for joe biden to do what he has been trying to do. press netanyahu into this cease fire. >> it is coming all kind of at the same time that we are learning from the new york

times. to target democrats under the radar using ai. fake social media accounts. fake news websites. what is your reaction to that as someone who has had his own interaction with research endeavors? >> you know, you are a friend of mine alex. it came out about a year after the obama administration. a group of agents hired to dig up dirt. we have seen these tactics before. what is striking about this one is the tactics that are being used are literally the exact same tactics that russia uses. fake social media accounts. trying to driver the algorithm. using ai to kind of micro target certain audiences targeting black members of congress. right? as constituency you want to make sure is divided and maintains some support for israel. when russia is doing this kind of thing, the democrats are very vocal in calling it what it is. which is foreign interference

in our politics. this is exactly the same play book. and if we don't have antibodies to this. one of those would be not inviteing the leader of the country doing that to address a joint session of congress, it will keep happening. >> the reason they didn't succeed, it was not that convincing. the intelligence, the ai use was not that sophisticated. but just in terms of the future and what we are looking at with rogue governments or allies trying to meddle with a frayed democratic system here in the u.s. what are the implications? >> i think a lot of what we see from governments. i think a lot of foreign interests do this. they look for areas where there are divisions already in the

united states. issues around anything in which americans are arguing with each other online. they come in and pour gasoline on the fire or they try to put their thumb on the scale. they create a volume that makes people think that these divisions are sharper than they appear or they try to bias in the direction of one side of the argument. it shows our information environment is so broken and people are living in a space online that is absent objective reality. why wouldn't all manner of people and interest including foreign ones come in and try to exploit that? the starker message here is why can't israel feel it can make these directly to congress? if you think you are winning the argument,.

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senate republicans tanked the right to contraception act. the bill would have made access to contraception a federal right. but every republican senator besides lisa murkowski and susan collins decided to take a pass on it. according to a 2023 gallop poll, almost 90% of this country sees contraception as morally acceptable. even among republicans. data shows 72% said they had a favorable view of birth control. but that did not stop the gop from killing the bill in the senate. chuck schumer offered his analysis as to why. >> of course, we are already hearing the aim predictable, tired unpersuasive retorts from the other side. that this vote is unnecessary. that birth control could never possibly be at risk. that this is much ado about nothing. that's not true. as i said, go ask the people of virginia what they think. go ask the people of arizona or

florida or idaho or iowa. each of these states, republican governors, republican legislatures are on record blocking protections for birth control access in one form or another. >> even in a post roe america republicans are saying enshrining contraception is much ado about nothing though the washington post reports that republicans in missouri and louisiana and idaho are now falsely claiming that contraceptives induce abortions. even though a supreme court justice openly invited legal challenges to contraception. when he voted to overturn roe. even as multiple states are either actively limiting access to contraception or refusing to protect it. even then with all that, the republican position is essentially nothing to see here folks. now senator schumer announced a vote on a new bill. the right to ivf act coming

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today the biden administration's executive action to limit the number of border crossings officially took ifect. it shuts down most asylum requests once daily encounters pass a certain threshold. some of this is similar to actions taken by president trump. the deputy director of the aclu's immigrant rights project who successfully sued some of trump's policies said it was illegal when trump did it and it is no less illegal now. joining me is the deputy director of the aclu. lee, great to see you. let me just first, if it was illegal then and illegal now, is the aclu going to file a lawsuit? >> we are going to sue for sure. the time sergeant in the works. but that will definitely happen. >> i want to get your thoughts

on the illegality of this. donald trump was on another cable news network this evening speaking with the host about this biden executive action. and this is what he had to say. >> yesterday, he implemented a new policy, however. >> it is meaningless. >> millions of people are allowed to come in. it is meaningless. it's a joke. it has nothing to do with border security. >> okay. so, it is meaningless, it's a joke. it has nothing to do with border security. what is your assessment and reaction to that? >> we shouldn't be listening to president trump on immigration. as you know, very well, he is the person who implemented the family separation policy. and you know, a lot of people talk about the american people want something done on immigration. and we are not disputing that. they want something balanced. they don't want to go back to what trump did with family separation. what is disappointing and

illegal about this new policy, i think it went too far to one extreme. if you just take a family who is fleeing persecution because they are christian or some other religion and in grave danger you would want that family to get screened for asylum. this policy if they enter in the wrong place does not allow for that and will send them back to danger so we need to streamline the asylum process. make it more efficient. but this goes too far by ending screenings for most asylum seekers. if the american people knew no matter how grave a danger if you were in. and even if it was because of your religion you wouldn't be screened if you entered in the wrong place, we need to find a balanced approach. congress has said if you get to u.s. soil, even if you enter legally, you should be screened for asylum. it doesn't mean you get asylum and the reason is clear. people don't always get to the

port. so, the port of entries are far where you could be traveling with a child. the cartels may push you away. and there are few spots there. so congress has said for decades if you get on u.s. soil, we will screen you no matter how you get here. that's where we need to go. the other thing is we need to have more legal pathways. we don't need more immigrant workers. that would reduce backlog at the border. let make the asylum system more efficient. no one should say we have year delays so put asylum officers there. there is too much focus on enforcement. as you have seen from being down at the border, families come to the border and wait. they are not trying to evade law enforcement what we need there is more asylum officers to screen them. not to say throw enforcement at it. >> the asylum piece is greatly constricted because right now, if you come in not at a port of

entry, it is not available to you. you are not getting an asylum claim. do you think the biden administration intended on being so retributive toward asylum seekers? >> i would not attribute ill will. he has not done things like family separation. and he has not demonized immigrants. he has not said immigrants are bad. that is what the prior administration did. that causes all that ill will. but i do think the policy is coming about because he says congress didn't do it. we need comprehensive immigration. reform. there were other options for him rather than going to this level of we are not even going to screen you for asylum. if people are in danger we need to screen them. no one is saying don't make it more efficient. we need to make it more efficient. but this is too much to say a

family fleeing persecution because of their religion. they don't enter in the right place, we will tend you back. that is really a dangerous proposition. >> immigrants are the backbone of our economy and i wonder if there has been enough defense of the role they play in propping unour country. >> and think about the immigrant you know. and do they fit the narrative that the trump administration or president trump is putting out there? that they are all gang members? national security? they are not and you know it when you think about the immigrants you know. i think the polarization has led us away from basic solutions. like pathways for workers: more asylum officers to screen the system. force people's hands. >> let's not forget our shared humanity and shared fates. thank you so much, lee. it is really helpful to get your perspective. really complicated issue. that's our sh