at home. thousands of others sacrificed life and limb so europe and the rest of the world, all of us could be free of the nazi scourge. they saved democracy. now 80 years later, it's for us to preserve it. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." remember, follow the show on social media @mitchellreports, and you can rewatch the best parts of our show on youtube, just go to msnbc.com/andrea. "chris jansing reports" starts right now. ♪♪ live at msnbc headquarters in new york city, it's a sweeping challenge. the fight to preserve democracy at home and abroad, president biden delivering a stirring tribute to those who gave their lives on d-day, and laying out the stakes for americans on the battlefield and at the ballot box.

but are voters listening to a message the president has said is at the heart of the 2024 election? we'll take you to normandy, and i'll talk to mitch landrieu, co-chair of the biden re-election campaign. plus, new details about the drugs and the gun at the heart of the hunter biden trial coming from his late brother's widow. it's the stuff of sensational headlines and family turmoil, but what does it mean for the legal case itself? and donald trump adding new fuel to calls for retribution against his political enemies insisting he'd have, quote, every right to do it. he also said the country doesn't want it, but would that stop him. but we begin against the backdrop against the beaches of normandy, that powerful evocative symbol of the fight for freedom. today it's where president biden on the 80th anniversary commemoration of d-day warned that in his words democracy is more at risk today than at any time since world war ii. the ceremonies were a moving mix

of messaging and emotion, first president biden and french president emmanuel macron awarded medals to some of the 180 surviving veterans gathered there, many in their 90s, some over 100 years old. then mr. biden honored their sacrifice, insisting their costly battle to preserve democracy remains the test of the ages. >> they knew beyond any doubt there are things that are worth fighting and dying for. freedom is worth it, democracy is worth it. america's worth it. the world is worth it. then, now, and always. >> i want to bring in nbc's kelly o'donnell who is traveling with the president in france. brendan buck is a former aide to republican house speakers paul ryan and john boehner, and he is an msnbc political analyst. kelly, there are questions when

you look at the polls about whether putting this fight for democracy front and center of the president's re-election campaign is a smart political move, but listening to president biden today, there's no question this is an issue very close to his heart as he is almost certainly the last u.s. president who will have been alive on d-day. talk about what we saw and heard today. >> reporter: well, in the political space in the day-to-day of our election season, there's a lot of focus on things like economic issues, and every day circumstances in people's lives, and democracy might feel a bit far off or it might feel a bit abstract. here for these celebrations it is very palpable, and it is very real for these veterans who have come back with a life force that allowed them to be well enough to travel this far and to represent the comrades who are buried at normandy and those who

have passed away in the years since, very, very, very vivid, and you really could sense the emotion, the beauty of the ceremonies, and so the issues that the president was talking about and the reason that people, so many people came back together today, two dozen world leaders, hundreds of attendees, is because they believe these issues do, in fact, matter, and they are as real today as they were 80 years ago. so in many ways, the celebration, the commemoration and the reflection that has gone on here and will over the course of these days of noting what happened at d-day and what was at stake certainly seems more vivid and more relatable for younger generations that were not alive then, have only read about it in history books, and as you note, president biden was himself just a toddler when these events took place. he said to one veteran how old are you, and the man said i'm 100. he said i'd like to look that good when i'm 82. so it gives you a sense of how

this is a personal connection. it is one about the themes that are important. there was an extensive ovation for president zelenskyy of ukraine who is here with the other leaders. the president will meet him tomorrow. so it is both historical. it is emotional, and st in some ways very much current events. chris. >> thank you for that, kelly. mark updegrove is president and ceo of the lbj foundation and a presidential historian. he joins us on the phone. there is no question in the minds of surviors or historians of the significance of what happened that day, eight decades ago. there's an op-ed in "the new york times" that argues that in 2024's political environment, quote, we now face the very real question of whether america will embrace a vision of a country less free and less democratic, more divided and more unequal. it would be a step back ward unlike almost anything else in american history. do you think that today and really leading up to today

president biden has been able to frame the stakes here in a way that resonates both with voters and with allies? >> well, one hopes that that is the case. joe biden got into this race in order to -- got into the race for president back in 2020 in order to preserve our democracy when he saw it being weakened, and he's made the preservation of democracy a central pillar of his campaign. his being able to prevail in a fall election will be a way of continuing that as we see that democracy is under threat with the candidacy of donald trump, a potential presidency from donald trump would certainly put our democratic principles in jeopardy, but we see biden today at this hallowed battleground in world war ii, one of two world wars that we fought last century to make the world safe for democracy, and we see democracy in peril today not only abroad, but in our own country, chris.

>> brendan, i want to put this question of sacrifice in some context. you cannot help seeing these veterans, which i think kelly so beautifully talked about the life force that brought them there and their interviews with them and almost in every one that i've seen, they talk about those 2,500, i think, americans and so many more other allied troops that were killed on that day. it is palpable the sacrifice to them today as much as it was on that d-day. we have a congress right now where 52 members this term have said they won't -- they won't seek re-election, close to a record. according to ballotpedia, a dozen of them have left before their term. the military has struggled to keep its recruitment numbers up. do you worry our country is losing sight of the stakes and the importance of service or

maybe just simply disagrees with the need for both. . >> yeah, absolutely. i'm sitting here listening to this. it's almost discouraging that we have to question whether some of these things are still important to people. this used to be table stakes that democracy and freedom are things we're all in this game for, politics as a vocation, and that you're willing to do a lot of things to preserve that because you know it's important. you know, i think there's a strain of both parties that are isolationist. you've seen the biggest shift in the republican party under donald trump. much more isolationist. i think it rests on, frankly, naivety about the world. we know donald trump doesn't care much about sacrifice or anything greater than himself, but what i fear is this has taken hold in a lot of places in the party. they just don't view this as our

problem, and i think mitch mcconnell has done work in recent years and months making arguments that are so fundamental to not only who we are as a country, who we are as a party. i just worry that those voices are fewer and fewer today and if nobody's making that argument, as someone like him rides off into the sunset, who is making the argument that these things still are fundamental to what we believe in. >> the president did also talk about ukraine today insisting that the u.s. will not walk away and mitch mcconnell wrote that in pushing back against isolationists, quote, today the better part of valor is to build credible defenses before they are necessary, and demonstrate american leadership before it is doubted any further, but as you know, probably better than most thinking ahead is not necessarily congress's strong suit. so do you worry that the america today is not prepared, is not

ready for the fight? >> i don't know that we're not ready for the fight today. i worry that over the long-term we stopped appreciating that this stuff needs long-term investment. mitch mcconnell's point in that op-ed is not so much that we should celebrate the peace and prosperity that we've enjoyed since world war ii and nato, it's that preceding world war ii, we were isolationist, and that's what got us in there in the first place. i think both parties have an important need to do better. i think republicans need to appreciate that allies and partnerships and global engagement are important. i think democrats need to appreciate that you need a strong military to be able to do both of those things, and that's where the clash is. republicans are fine spending money on the military, but don't care about nato as much as they used to, whereas every time we have a big fight, democrats are resistant to spending on the long-term investments that are necessary to keep peace is and prosperity around the world. and you know, hopefully moments

like this can remind us why these things are important. we don't want to have to find this out through -- it may not be an attack on hawaii. it might be a cyber attack. it may be other things that come our way that undermine everything that we take for granted every day, and you do need more people in congress who appreciate that these things are still important. >> it's hard not to be reminded of the speech that ronald reagan gave at normandy on the 40th commemoration of d-day. it was a moment that seemed not just powerful but seemed to introduce a whole new generation of americans to the sacrifice made on d-day, made in world war ii, mark. how does that kind of message get resonated in the political environment we live in today? >> you know, i think when president reagan made that very iconic speech 40 years ago, we were living in a society where there were members of the

greatest generation among us, active in society at that time. it was far more -- it was far closer to -- in our consciousness than it is today, and we become very shortsighted when it comes to our history. i think we forget the stakes of world war ii now. we don't know what was at stake, and we understand that these people were heroes, but i don't think there are a lot of people who truly understand what was at stake in world war ii. i think franklin roosevelt said that the presidency is preeminently a place of moral leadership and occasions like anniversaries around d-day give us an opportunity to talk about what america stands for and why standing up for democracy and coming to the aid of other nations who are under threat is part of our value code. so ronald reagan did so very

effectively at a time when people remembered world war ii. it's a greater challenge for joe biden at a time when fewer people understand what world war ii meant to our nation and to the world. >> and we're watching live these pictures of the president and first lady who are heading to air force one. they're going to be leaving normandy and heading back to paris. but in the meantime, brendan, i want to dig a little bit more into the specifics of what we heard today because part of it at least really speaks to what we just heard from mark which is about coming to the aid of other countries. the president got applause when he talked about nato, and then he seemed at least in some way to perhaps make a reference, some might say take a swipe at donald trump as we watch the president and first lady get onto air force one. let me play that little bit of his speech for you.

>> america has invested in our alliances and forged new ones, not simply out of altruism, but out of our own self-interests as well. america's unique ability to bring ability to bring countries together is an undeniable source of our strength and power. isolationism was not the answer eight years ago and is not the answer today. [ applause ] >> as you know, brendan, donald trump famously went into his first nato gathering in brussels and questioned america's commitment to article 5, mutual defense. criticized the financial commitment of our allies. does the importance of nato resonate with the american voter today? or do you think that trump and some, frankly, other republicans have raised real skepticism about the importance of international alliances, including in the minds of voters? >> well, i do think it's

dangerous. on one hand, i do think that there is a place to call out some of our allies for not contributing. donald trump clearly doesn't do it, he doesn't even understand what the commitment is supposed to be, but what you're getting at, i think is both really, really important as a policy matter, the erosion of support for nato among republicans is real, and it is dangerous, and it is going to potentially have really dangerous long-term effects, and we're already seeing it as it relates to ukraine. now, does it matter for voters? i really don't think so, but i always struggle with these questions because there are plenty of things you have to do as a leader that you don't do because they're good for politics. this is an area of governance that is chief among them. you engage with your allies and you build partnerships and you deter aggression like russia because it is fundamental to who we are as a country, not because you're scoring any points. our national security is at

stake, our prosperity is at stake. where i struggle with donald trump is i don't think he understands that. it's not even that he has a flushed out world view that nato is not operating well or something. he just doesn't even understand it. but that spreads far beyond donald trump right now. it is a core tenet of trumpism and the republican party today is to be isolationist, and i think that it could have the very long-term effect if you look at it as i do donald trump's impact on the party is going to be here for a very, very long time. >> mark updegrove, thank you. brendan buck, you're going to stay with me. in 90 seconds, day four of the hunter biden trial with the prosecution's key witness on the stand. what she testified about the moment she found at the gun at the heart of the case. we're back after this. we're back after this. (aaron) i own a lot of businesses... so i wear a lot of hats. my restaurants, my tattoo shop... and i also have a non-profit. but no matter what business i'm in... my network and my tech need to keep up. thank you verizon business. (kevin) now our businesses get fast and reliable internet from the same network

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i want to bring in nbc's mike memoli from outside the courthouse. also with us msnbc legal analyst carol lam. i know the court just hit a lunch break. soon we'll see hallie back on the stand. she is regarded as the prosecution's star witness. what key details came out of her testimony so far today? >> reporter: yeah, chris, hallie is such an important witness. the prosecution has been able to introduce a significant volume of evidence in the form of text messages, in the form of photographs, in the form of witness testimony that really speaks to the depth of hunter biden's addiction to drugs over course of a long period of time from 2016 into 2018. they have not been able to establish it at the time he purchased this revolver in october of 2018. of course, the defense's contention is that biden did not consider himself to be addicted and, therefore, it would not have been untruthful for him to mark on the form that he was not

an addict while purchasing that gun. hallie biden takes the prosecution for the first time into that october time frame, and they were able to during the course of her testimony introduce a text message exchange between her and hunter biden where she was inquiring about his whereabouts, and at one response hunter responded to her on october 14th, i was sleeping on a car smoking crack on 4th street and rodney. the day before he indicated that he was behind a minor league baseball stadium waiting for mookie a drug dealer. to the prosecution this is clear evidence that he was still using drugs within days of purchasing that gun. we just as we broke before lunch heard from abbe lowell, the defense attorney doing cross examination which he established from time to time hunter would text her things that weren't true. he would lie about wherehe was when she was asking. he might have been lying about using drugs because she often was asking was he with another

woman. now, the other significant information that came out from the cross examination is that hallie biden said she was going through rehabilitation treatment in early october, and that was part of why hunter biden came back to delaware, and he attended some of those sessions with hallie biden. there was a very tortured series of questions from lowell to biden, and she sometimes seemed nervous and was looking around the gallery, and i noticed her looking at her brand new husband, a man by the name of john anning, my colleague spoke with him. they just got married this past weekend, chris, and when sarah asked him about that, he said this is one heck of a way to spend the honeymoon. this is speaking to really the complicated emotional and family dynamics that are at play during this trial. >> yeah, complicated to say the least. hallie biden was in a romantic relationship with hunter biden in october of 2018, and that's when the gun was purchased. as you've been following along with this trial, how important is that, and how important is

she as a witness? >> hallie biden is very important to the prosecution, obviously, because she's the one who had these communications with hunter biden both before and after but also the fact that she found the gun, that makes her a very necessary witness, and she's testified under a grant of immunity because she has had to talk about her own addiction to crack. that in itself is a crime. she was granted immunity. she doesn't want to be there. she doesn't want to be testifying. she's doing what she has to do under the law, so that makes her both a necessary witness for the prosecution, but also a somewhat unwilling one. that can create problems for the prosecution. we're going to have to see how the rest of her cross examination plays out. >> carol, on october 15th, which was two days after hunter biden purchased the gun, hallie biden texted him, quote, i just want to help you get sober. nothing i do or you do is working. i'm sorry. i'm afraid you are going to die.

a few of the jurors had shared during jury selection that they have loved someone who has struggled with addiction. one juror specifically lost a family member who had od'd. details in this trial are emotional like i said, painfully personal, but also to members of the jury, how might that fit into the way they view the testimony? >> i think it's going to play a very large role. look, jurors are instructed that you have to follow the law. you have to evaluate fairly what the facts are, but you don't check your common sense and your life experience at the door. you are entitled to use those too. and to the extent that people have experience with addiction, you'll notice the use of the word sober there, which is very interesting. one of abbe lowell's defenses is that he was also an alcoholic. and you know, who's to say whether he was talking about alcohol or whether she was talking about drugs. i mean, maybe she remembers, but

this sort of mixture of things, jurors have experience with this, many jurors do, often i was a state court judge for a period of time, i tried a lot of driving under the influence cases. sometimes it was very difficult to even pick a jury because so many jurors had had devastating experiences with alcohol on one side or the other. and so i think that it will play a role in this, and it could be to hunter biden's benefit. >> mike memoli, carol lam, thank you both. and still to come, retribution as a platform, what exactly would donald trump do to political and legal rivals if he retakes the white house? his latest interview. meanwhile, president biden is in normandy just leaving to return to paris, but only after issuing a rallying cry for democracy. i'll talk to the national co-chair for biden/harris 2024

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who want retribution. they want to do that we're going to see what happens. >> people are claiming you want retribution. people are claiming you want what has happened to you done to democrats. would you do that ever? >> look, what's happened to me has never happened in this country before, and it has to stop because -- >> wait a minute, i want to hear that again. it has to stop? >> it does have to stop. we're not going to have a country. >> if you're elected, what does that mean? define that. >> look, what i've gone through nobody's ever gone through. i'm a very legitimate person. i built a great business. based on what they've done, i would have every right to go after them. >> back with us is brendan buck. brendan, thanks for sticking around. what donald trump obviously wouldn't say to sean hannity is what retribution would look like. some supporters have suggested that phrase is just hyperbole. i wanted to read to you what ruth marcus wrote in "the washington post." this is so unhinged it is

tempting to ignore it as overheated bloviating. that would be a mistake. the individuals inciting this prosecution as payback approach sit at trump's elbow, and they appear incapable of grasping the essential flaw in their reasoning. that even assuming the basist partisan motives on the part of trump's pursuers, the proper is to retaliate in kind. do you think these threats are underestimated? >> 2016 i guess it was the lock her up chant i always took as a bit of a gag and just something trump said because it got a rise out of the crowd and frankly the crowd thought it was a bit of a gag. i think right now there are people close to donald trump who are dead serious that they should use legal action to go after democrats or enemies of the president. you can't go anywhere in republican gatherings and not hear the word lawfare. that wasn't a word used in

republican circles until recently. now it is a hot topic. using the legal system to go after people. whether donald trump would actually follow through on that, i don't know. whether or not they would actually be successful in being able to do that. we still have a lot of systems in place to guard against abuse, but you can ruin a lot of people's lives just by bringing suit or charges or something that end up going nowhere. i think this is a very real thing. i think there's a lot of republicans, at least ones who are close to donald trump who take this stuff very seriously. >> there was a "new york times" sienna poll that shows a slight shift towards biden. before the verdict it was trump over biden by three percentage points. it's in line with other recent national polls, although we should note this recontact poll isn't necessarily representative of the electorate because there's no margin of error. but does it surprise you at all there hasn't been a bigger shift, or does this show that a guilty verdict was already baked

in with voters? >> yeah, i think that's right. what we're seeing is this clearly hasn't been the political earthquake that maybe some democrats had hoped it would be. and i don't know why you would ever think anything is going to be an earthquake right now because we're so dug in on where we are. you hear some people will say, well, it will actually be the sentencing that's going to really shake things. i don't know how many times we have to wait for the next thing that's going to change things. i think people are pretty dug in but your point is the right one. people know that donald trump has questionable character and does shady things. that doesn't surprise anybody. so this was, i think for most people, just a reaffirmation of what they already understood about him. now, i do think the biden campaign did not do a very good job taking advantage of this situation. i mean, this is a huge vulnerability but a vulnerability only matters if someone is going to try to take advantage of it and they clearly did not do that. the democratic campaign apparatus largely stayed quiet the entire time, and we heard

all about the fury they were going to bring after the conviction or potential conviction, and it just hasn't really come forward. i think that tells us they don't think this is going to be a big deal. >> the dnc is going on the attack, but just right now in the battleground state of arizona, they launched a billboard campaign in phoenix. it reads, you can see it here on the screen. trump already attacked arizona's democracy once. now he's back as a convicted felon. it's the first time we've seen them lean into that phrase. do you think -- and i should say we saw it there, they also called him unhinged, which we've heard before and apparently is a word that the president used behind closed doors at a fundraiser. but is that what they need to do or will that make a difference. >> yeah, look, anytime somebody's doing a billboard, they're doing it for earned media, not because they think that's actually going to move voters. i think the democratic campaign

committee lost this and i separate them from the president. i understand the president needs to sort of stay out of legal matters. but i think they lost this debate months ago when they decided to kind of take a pass, sit back and let donald trump describe the nature of this prosecution. there for so many people he has flooded the zone and explained to them that in his view this is illegitimate and that they were out it get him, and democrats largely let those charges go unanswered. this feels a little bit too little, too late. and maybe they just don't think it matters. i don't necessarily agree. you know, the economy and immigration are going to be much more important issues, but it just feels so -- it's a missed opportunity to at least try to take a shot at this. this feels like they're just going through the motions at this point. >> yeah, for somebody who was under a gag order throughout his trial, he spoke every day, and those were exactly the messages that he put out there. so in retrospect maybe people

will look at it, but this is where we are now. brendan, buck, thank you so much. one consequence donald trump faces after his guilty verdict is that he will soon lose his gun license. the new york police department says they are revoking that license after the former president's conviction on 34 felony charges. it's not clear when trump last held a gun, but an nypd spokesperson said his license was active when he was indicted last year. trump was endorsed by the national rifle association last month after delivering a keynote speech at the group's annual meeting where he urged gun owners to vote. up next, someone who knows the biden campaign as well as anyone, the national co-chair for biden/harris 2024. what the president is preparing to say for tomorrow's remarks on democracy and freedom, and can that message translate to the campaign trail? you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. atching g reports" only monsnbc (restaurant noise) [announcer] introducing allison's plaque psoriasis.

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protecting democracy is a corner stone of president biden's re-election campaign. today taking that message on to the world stage for d-day commemorations in france. >> we're living in a time when democracy is more at risk across the world than any point since the end of world war ii, since these beaches were stormed in 1944. now we have to ask ourselves, will we stand against tyranny, against evil, against crushing

brutality of the iron fist? will we stand for freedom? will we defend democracy? we stand together, my answer is yes and only can be yes. >> and it doesn't stop there. the president delivers another speech tomorrow in normandy at pointe du hoc, the same monument where president ronald reagan gave a famous speech on the 40th anniversary of d-day. joining us now mitch landrieu, former senior adviser to president biden and former white house infrastructure coordinator who is now the national co-chair for the biden/harris campaign. and former mayor of one of the great cities in america, new orleans, but we'll talk about that another time. look, i think what we heard is a good snapshot of what the president may lean into tomorrow. give us a preview, if you will, what's his message, and why does he think it's important and that it will resonate? >> well, as the president said, on june 6th, 1944, 80 years ago,

75,000 men and women, mostly an american force, but joined by 12 other nations saved the world and protected freedom. they gave their last full measure because they were defending freedom and democracy, and i think the president as said many, many times, and he took this occasion because america is, in fact, an indispensable nation. it is the nation that kept the nato alliance together, that in fact, we have to continue to do the things that we have done in the past to preserve freedom because freedom isn't free. we can't take it for granted and when we do and we have to defend it, the price is usually paid by the blood of young men and women. and the president is, again, making a clarion call not only to the people of america but to the people of the world that authoritarianism is on the rise. and we have to stand in the breach just like those men and women did. so on the shoulders of fdr, now on the shoulders of reagan, here comes another american president, you know,

representing to the world that america is a shining city on a hill, and i think the president did an excellent job expressing the wisdom, character and courage of the american people. and i think he will continue to do that, for folks who have not been there on omaha beach where they were today, those cliffs are maybe 100 yards high. it is an impossible task that those young soldiers performed. to stand in that cemetery, which i did 20 years ago on the 60th anniversary, it is just really a very, very, very somber reminder that we have to fight democracy wherever we find it, and the president has been very clear about this. he thinks and i agree with him, as do most american people, that we're seeing the gravest threat to american democracy on our own land that we have seen in the history of the country, and donald trump is that threat. his vision of america, his vision of authoritarianism, his disdain for veterans who he calls losers, nato which he wants to crush. his friendship with putin, all of those things do not arc well

for the freedoms that we have enjoyed. you see the supreme court he has now appointed taking freedoms away from americans. we have to really stand in the breach, that is what his speech is about, both at home and abroad, we have to stand in the breach and protect the freedoms, lest we have the kind of bloodshed that we where we lost so many lives and so many of our brothers and sisters gave the full measure of their sacrifice. >> but compared to the economy, compared to immigration, compared to crime, does your own polling suggest to you that this is something that is indeed resonating? and if so, there's reporting in "politico" that the president's appearance and all the accompanying stage craft are being engineered for public consumption in packaged clips. is that how you put it out there and you think it will be effective, if in not raising awareness maybe just giving people pause about what they might want to vote on in november? >> well, let me respond to that in a couple of different

contexts. first of all, as i mentioned to you, 20 years ago when i was lieutenant governor of louisiana, i represented the state at that very ceremony that george bush had where he spoke with then president jacque she rock. this can't possibly take place without the president of the united states thanking the men and women that are still alive, this will probably be their last centennial in representing the united states of america. i must say for people who say how's biden doing, and he says watch me, i think everybody will agree that the president represented the united states of america very, very well. he remembered the speech that ronald reagan gave. he remembered the talk that franklin delano roosevelt gave and he understands that as the president of the united states, he represents all americans, and he represents the continuous government from beginning until its end, which is why he understands very clearly what you have to do to preserve democracy. and when you see tyranny, when you see autocracy, if you don't stand in the breach, if you take it for granted, it's going to be

a problem. all those other issues are important. ed border's important, the economy is important, rebuilding the country is important. all of them are important, but you can't have those discussions if you actually don't have a democracy and you don't have a country. liz cheney has spoken to this many times, as have other conservatives who have warned, who have worked with donald trump and warned time and time again that they worked with him. they saw how he thinks. they are troubled by his inability to put anybody in front of himself. he wakes up every day. he thinks about himself. then he thinks about hurting the people who he thinks hurt him. joe biden on the other hand gets up every day. he works for the american people. he stood up one of the strongest economies in the world. knows we still have a lot of work to do, and he's delivered four of the biggest pieces of domestic legislation that was seen actually since eisenhower, who as you know was a supreme commander on that particular

day. >> let me ask you about how you get him reelected. npr spoke to a guy who i assume you, austin weatherford, adam kinzinger's former chief of staff. he has gone to work for you guys to get republican voters to support joe biden. what can you tell us about what republican outreach will look like? what does your internal polling tell you about how many republicans in general and maybe nikki haley voters specifically might be up for grabs? >> well, a couple of things. first of all, president biden on the first day that he asked me to help him, said to me you make sure that everything that's coming out of that infrastructure bill gets to everywhere in america, red states, blue states. i represent everybody whether they voted for me or not. that's joe biden's character. donald trump's character is, if you're not my friend, then you're my enemy and i'm not going to help you. he told that to the people that ran against him. i might endorse him. donald trump is for retribution. joe biden is for inclusion. the people of america can expect

that we're going to reach out to every voter in america and ask them to join our team. joe biden's got big shoulders. we have a big tent. -- >> let me finish -- >> specifically what will that look like as one part of your campaign? >> what it looks like is us reaching out to every voter, republican or democrat. president biden was in philadelphia the other day talking about african americans for biden. there's women for biden. there will be republicans for biden, but you don't have to rely on the internal polls. you may recall that in some of the republican primaries after nikki haley dropped out of the race, she was still clocking in at fairly substantial numbers, which you have now called the haley voters. these are people that have been republicans but they were part of a republican party that doesn't exist anymore, and i believe that they think that donald trump is dangerous for america, and we're going to be speaking to them. we'll speak to them the same way we speak to other voters. we'll make phone calls. we'll ask for endorsements. we'll actually campaign. we're going to go everywhere.

we're not bringing a knife to this gunfight. this is going to be a tough campaign. it's going to be a very close campaign. i saw your last interview. the fact that donald trump is a convicted felon will absolutely have resonance for the people of america when the chips are down and they are called upon to save our democracy and preserve our freedom. >> what makes you think that? >> because i trust in the american people, and i believe that when it comes down to a choice between a man who is a danger to other people, who has asked the court for permission to engage s.e.a.l. team 6 to kill his political enemies, who out of his mouth almost every day is about retribution and revenge is a guy that doesn't have the that doesn't have the wisdom, character or judgment to lead the most idispensable nation. i feel confident this is going to be a hard fought race but when the chips are down the american people will show up, just like the kids did 80 years ago.

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