your time. alex witt picks up with more news right now. right now on "andrea mitchell reports," speaking on hallowed ground, president biden defends democracy in a speech to a global audience after a face-to-face meeting with president zelenskyy as the war in ukraine reaches a critical moment. >> as we gather here today, it's not just to honor those who showed such remarkable bravery on that day, june 6, 1944. it's to listen to the echo, they are asking us to do our job, protect freedom in our time, to defend democracy, to stand up at aggression abroad and abroad. the defense is presenting their case in the hunter biden gun case. new jobs numbers supporting the strength of the u.s. job market. casting more skepticism over a

potential interest rate cut to help lower costs for consumers. ♪♪ a very good day to all of you. i'm alex witt in new york in for andrea mitchell who is on assignment. in his second speech in as many days marking the 80th anniversary of the d-day invasion. president biden drew parallels between the threats faced by democracies during world war ii to those being faced by american interests and ideals today. >> believe in something bigger than ourselves. that's what every soldier and marine decided. they stood against hitler's aggression. does anyone doubt that they would want america to stand up against putin's aggression here in europe today? >> the president's speech echoed

reagan's iconic address at the same location 40 years ago when he famously honored the boys, the american solders who gave it all for democracy, in one of the most d-day operations, 225 u.s. army rangers scaled normandy's 100-foot perpendicular cliffs under heavy fire to destroy nazi guns threatening ships. they radios, mission accomplished. they ensured victory and helped end the war. we begin with kelly o'donnell joining us from paris, retired general mccaffrey and garrett graph, author of "the sea came alive, an oral history of

d-day." biden stood atop a nazi bunker facing a re-election and championing democracy and the importance of western alliances. >> reporter: he was certainly trying to tap into the deep reservoir of respect americans across the political spectrum have for our veterans and those who really extended the fight for democracy in deeply personal ways. the sacrifices were so deep and the cost of life was so enormous. by reminding americans about that sacrifice, the bravery involved, and at the same time, the ordinariness of american young men from all across the country serving in that way, and to try to use that example to say that there is a renewed call for standing up for democracy. it's not in the same way. it's not with a heated conflict quite like world war ii. but there are, of course, new concerns, new threats and new

potential for democracy to be challenged. he is trying to make that personal, to tap into the respect and heroism and have americans feel a sense that they, too, have a duty to stand up for the values that the country is about. that's really the mission of today's speech in addition to commemorating the 80th anniversary yesterday and through all the events here. also today, the president put that in very contemporary terms by sitting down with ukrainian president zelenskyy and talking about what he commits to, an enduring support for their fight to stop russia. here is part of what the president had to say. >> the united states is standing with you. you are the bulwark agaist the aggression. we are still in completely. >> reporter: the president also said to president zelenskyy that he was sorry that it had taken so long, months before congress had approved additional aid.

he was trying to reinforce that he and his administration are in step with ukraine and wanting to help defend their country under the assault from russia and promising more commitment going forward, even with that being very difficult in terms of the election season. >> indeed, kelly. the president will travel to paris later. i'm sure you will be greeting him there as well and covering that. general, let's bring you into the conversation. as president biden -- he is standing where president reagan stood. it reminds us when republicans were among the biggest nato supporters, not its critics, and keeping these alliances are crucial now to ukraine. right? >> there's no question. by the way, it echoed the tone of president reagan 40 years ago. that has become almost symbolic of world war ii.

over 400,000 americans killed in action. that day, of course, over 4,000 killed, many on omaha beach. the second ranger battalion climbing the heights. having zelenskyy there was a real opportunity to remind people, that's the second biggest country in europe. its sovereignty, its ability to survive by putin and the criminal invasion puts in jeopardy all of the nato european union countries. what's next? is it the baltic nations, poland? is it france itself? it was, i think, well done by president biden to remind americans that our security is part and parcel of europe, the second biggest economic power on the face of the earth. >> you start your book with the u.s. and britain learning how to

be allies. you have president biden and zelenskyy figuring that out now, especially when it comes to how u.s. weapons are used. do you see parallels? >> absolutely. i think more than that. we have never had a significant anniversary of d-day where democracy and western democracy felt as under threat and as fraught as it does this year, both in europe and at home. i think that was one of president biden's messages that this is as much a fight here domestically as it is internationally. ronald reagan, that great mythology -- i think what makes this 80th anniversary feel so poignant is we are marking the final passing of the greatest

generation, the generation that secured western democracy and freedom in that second world war and that during the cold war. now our very real question in american politics right now is, what are we going to do with that legacy? are we as willing now to fight for democracy as we were then? >> it's incredible, because your book, you talk with 700 civilians and members there. you present an oral history. general, your father fought in world war ii's italian theater. an oral history to you. describe the symbolic importance and the effect that it had across europe. >> yeah. a couple hundred soldiers climbing straight up a cliff. germans firing automatic weapons down and dropping hand grenades on them. they made it. astonishing, courageous performance.

and then held off german counterattacks. i think it has become, as you say, symbolic of the commitment of the armed forces during world war ii which saved mankind. today's civilization. that's what was at stake. my parents' generation, my dad fought with the famous 92nd division in italy. he had eight years in combat. all my uncles -- one was in the navy. a cruiser attacked by a japanese submarine, army air corps. 16 million american men and women came to the defense of the country. it was an enormous economic powerhouse that helped win the war. >> extraordinary. >> we have to keep that in mind facing the new challenges. >> 100% correct. thank you for joining me.

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delaware, hunter's daughter is on the stand for the defense. the president's brother james also expected to take the stand today. the prosecution rested this morning, following the testimony of an fbi forensic expert about the crack cocaine found on hunter's gun pouch. jill biden flew back from d-day celebrations in france yesterday to be back in court with her son today. the president was asked about the trial in an interview with abc news while overseas. >> will you accept the jury's outcome, their verdict, no matter what it is? >> yes. >> have you ruled out a pardon for your son? >> yes. >> join meg now, ken dilanian at the courthouse, former u.s. attorney joyce vance and ashley parker, "washington post" senior political correspondent. ken, bring us up to speed on where we are in the trial and the time line for when you think the jury could get this case.

>> reporter: big picture, alex, hunter biden's lawyer said he could finish by the end of day monday. it's reasonable to assume, unless there's a delay, the jury will have the case by then. as you mentioned, the breaking news right now is that hunter biden's oldest daughter, 30 years old, is on the stand. we don't know what she's going to say. assuming hunter biden doesn't testify, she could go a long way towards humanizing hunter biden for the jury, talking about his history of drug addiction, struggle with drug addiction from a more sympathetic point of view. it affected her life. to the extent hunter biden's defense is that he wasn't using drugs during this crucial time when he bought and owned that gun for 11 days, it stands to reason she may be able to testify about that. there's conflicting evidence about that. there's text messages that suggest he was meeting with a drug dealer the day after he purchased that gun and signed a statement saying he wasn't using

drugs. that's powerful evidence for the prosecution. it remains to be seen if the defense can rebut it. we had an employee and the owner of the gun store that sold hunter biden the gun. abbie lowell was trying to set the stage. >> there has been gut wrenching testimony. what is your assessment? >> i think ken makes a good point. if you are the prosecution, you try cases where you have the evidence. you have a lot of control over what cases go to trial. that's entirely up to you. the entire ball game for the defense is trying to create reasonable doubt in the mind of at least one juror. that's why the focus here has

shifted from earlier litigation, before the case went to trial, now the focus is on hunter biden -- whether he knew he was an addict or whether there was an alternative explanation. that's the import of the evidence and the testimony this afternoon. this will be an effort by the defense to show that hunter biden was behaving the week when he had the firearm consistently in a manner with how he behaved when he was in recovery. whether it's enough, we won't know until the jury renders its verdict. >> the show of support from the biden family for hunter, it's notable. you have the first lady back in wilmington today. she's going to return to paris for a state visit this weekend. president biden's sister in court today. you have family and friens completely filling up the

gallery. it's different from donald trump's trial where he had very little family present. how is that playing in the court of public opinion? >> first, it's important to understand that the bidens are not doing this for the court of public opinion. i will answer that question. this is just who the bidens are. you hear president biden talk about, my word as a biden and the biden family, and this is a family forged through tragedy and triumph. even when hunter's addiction became a political issue on the campaign trail, the only thing president biden said about it was, he spoke as a father, dealing with a son grappling with addiction, which is something millions of americans can understand. at that point, that was of marked contrast with former president trump and how he seemed to talk about these sorts of issues. you are seeing family loyalty,

family bonds, family love of family members in extremely challenging times. republicans, the former president donald trump, have tried to weaponize this. but it's hard to see in any meaningful way how this could be seen in the court of public opinion as anything other than a loving family really struggling and grappling with a child who struggled with addiction. >> taking that into consideration, and also what ken was saying about a level of sympathy for the bidens that may be on display, is it possible the jury could hold empathy for hunter? many people, possibly the jury even, they know someone who has battled addiction. >> it's absolutely possible. alex, remember, it doesn't have to be an outright acquittal.

it's possible that one or more jurors might refuse to vote to convict and the jury would hang. that, i think, sets up one of the most interesting strategic questions for prosecutors. if this jury hangs, will they, in fact, retry this case? which has been so starkly criticized by a number of federal prosecutors, including myself, because this charge involving a user or an addict in possession of a firearm is so rarely brought. we can tell why from ashley's comments. millions of americans with issues with addictions, lots of access to firearms and second amendment protection in this country, even if there's a conviction, it's likely that the supreme court will weigh in in the constitutionality of the statute, if not this term, then next term. there would be very little reason for the justice department to seek to retry this case. we will have to watch how that plays out, too. >> ken, i understand you have something new from the courtroom

you want to share? >> reporter: alex, our team in the courtroom says hunter biden has grown very emotional as he listens to his oldest daughter testify and he is wiping away tears. that means she's been an effective witness, humanizing hunter biden for the jury. she's 30 years old. she's a polished person. she's an i've ivy league law sc graduate. hunter biden growing emotional, wiping away tears. >> that may have an impact on that jury. ken, joyce, ashley, thank you all so much. pushing back. prime minister benjamin netanyahu lashing out at the united nations as international criticism over a deadly israeli strike on a school in central gaza grows. this is "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. ports" on msn. . so go ahead, live unfiltered with the one and only sotyktu,

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israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu is responding to criticism over his military's deadly air strike on a u.n. school in central gaza that killed at least 40 people, many among them women and children. the prime minister posting on x, the u.n. put itself on the black list of history today when it joined the supporters of the hamas murderers, the idf is the most moral army in the world and no delusional decision by the u.n. will change that. the israeli military maintains it carried out a, quote, precise

intelligence-based strike against hamas and operatives who it says took place in the october 7th attack and were hiding in the school compound. joining me now is raf sanchez. he is joining us from tel aviv. welcome. look, israel is phase facing condemnation. there are questions about the air strike. do we have any new information? >> reporter: so, alex, just going back to the netanyahu tweet. he referred to the u.n. putting itself on the black list of history much the reason he used that phrase is we have just learned that the united nations secretary-general has decided to add israel to a so-called black list of states that harm children during wartime. they would join russia and other countries accused of harming children during wartime. this is not a list that any country wants to be on. we are seeing just an absolute

chorus of condemnation from prime minister netanyahu and other israeli officials at that decision. the u.n. is going to officially announce this list next week. but they have informed the israeli government ahead of time. an israeli official confirms to nbc news, israel expects to be on that list. this decision is a long time in the making. but by grim coincidence, as you say, it comes one day after israel struck that u.n. school in central gaza, at least 40 people killed. we believe at least 14 of those were children. the state department was asked about this yesterday, and they said, israel has the right to defend itself, it has the right to pursue hamas, but clearly when 14 children die in a single strike, something went wrong. the israeli government is standing behind the strike. they say that operatives from both hamas and palestinian islamic jihad were sheltering in that school. they say this was a precision

attack which they delayed twice to reduce the number of civilian casualties. it is clear here that a large number of innocent people have lost their lives. a leading israeli human rights group is saying that if hamas was operating out of that school it would be illegal, it would be a violation of the rules of war. but it would not justify an attack on a shelter where so many innocent people were sheltering. it is saying that this is a potential war crime. >> let me ask you about the latest on the cease-fire and hostage proposal the president announced a week ago. have we heard anything from hamas on that? >> reporter: alex, they have not yet given their formal response, which is what really matters. they haven't responded. we have heard mixed messages over the last couple of days. what they are saying is, they support the cease-fire deal as

outlined by president biden, which is phase one, a six-week cease-fire, release of some hostages, but in phase two, release of all hostages and israel withdrawing fully from gaza and ending the war, hamas are saying at this point, they are not sure israel is committed to that, given that prime minister netanyahu has not publicly endorsed that decision and members of the far right of his government are publicly opposed to it. the u.s. says if hamas agrees to this deal, israel will also. >> raf sanchez in tel aviv, as always, many thanks. as those cease-fire talks press on, we can report anthony -- antony blinken will travel to the middle east. joining me now is josh gottheimer. congressman, welcome.

netanyahu will address a joint meeting of august on july 24th. as you know, several democrats in the house and senate have indicated they plan to boycott that speech over their objections to netanyahu's handling of the war in gaza. will you attend the prime minister's address to congress? >> i will. i would say to my colleagues, this is about the united states and israel, not about any individual leaders. a key relationship, as you know, a key ally for us in the fight against terror, including iran and other iranian-backed proxies. i think hearing from a key foreign ally, like israel, is critically important. >> what do you say to the growing opposition and the polarization within your own party? >> broadly speaking, i think we should focus on our objectives here. let's not forget on october 7, 44 americans were killed. five americans remain hostage,

including one of my constituents. we need to do everything we can to get the hostages home, to stop the terrorists and, of course, continue surging humanitarian aid into the region. egypt and others are stumbling blocks to getting the aid in. we need to do everything we can to surge aid. i think as the president talked about in the agreement that israel is backing, that we have yet to -- we have yet to hear from hamas on, part of that is this pause and, of course, getting aid into the region, which is essential. >> to that end, a week ago with the president having announced that proposal that he says israel agreed to, let's listen to what he told abc news while in normandy yesterday. >> is benjamin netanyahu listening to you? >> i think he is listening to me. they were going go into rafah full bore, invade all of rafah, go into the city, take it out, move with full force. they haven't done that.

what they have done is they have agreed to a significant agreement that if, in fact, hamas accepts it -- look, it's been backed by egypt, by saudis, backed by almost the whole arab world. we will see. this is a very difficult time. >> congressman, do you see evidence that the prime minister is responding to the pressure from the u.s. and other countries? is he taking action reflecting that pressure? >> i think they are clearly taking a more targeted approach. you have to understand, which i think is lost here, is that every single day israel continues to take incoming from terrorists, hamas, palestinian jihad, hezbollah. rockets are fired at their citizens. hamas has not stopped trying to kill idf soldiers and israelis. israel is responding to those

attacks. i believe you are seeing more constructive dialogue going on between our countries. we understand our objectives, which tomorrow, hamas could surrender. they could actually come out of the tunnels where they are, where they are keeping hostages, including americans, and they could lay down their weapons and we could end this. no one talks about that. i think at the end of the day, iran and their proxies continue to fire at americans. the houthis, their proxies in the red sea continue to fire at americans. from iraq and syria, we have lost american soldiers. our interests are being attacked. this is -- iran is an enemy of ours, as the government of iran along with russia and china and north korea focused on doing harm to democracy and to our interests. we shouldn't lose sight of the fact these are terrorists, they are using innocent palestinians as human shields and continue

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low. it's a great thing we have been there so long. in terms of what it means for the fed, it was a mixed signal. the unemployment rate going up is consistent with a loosening of labor markets. the jobs added is consistent with a tightening. something is probably mismeasured in the data here. i think this makes the fed a ty tiny bit more likely to cut rates. although, that's not how the markets saw it. >> let's talk about president biden. with poll after poll showing the economy is still a major concern for voters, he says, quote, i'm fighting corporate greed by calling on corporations with record profits to lower prices as target and walmart have for grocery prices. i'm fighting to make rent more affordable by building 2 million new homes. what is it that continues to drive voter discontent on the economy despite the numbers? they are strong numbers. there's also cooling inflation.

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report. how do you square that? >> look, we are seeing the fastest wage grown for low and moderate wage workers. if we have more millionaires because we are a more productive economy, more productive future, that's fine with me. we just should tax them. then we should be using those taxes to reinvest elsewhere. that's one of the big debates we will be having over this election cycle is whether or not to tax all those new millionaires. >> we will see if that happens. jason, thank you for your time. choice words, in his first campaign event since his conviction, donald trump repeats his claim that his new york trial was rigged while using even more colorful language, we will call it, to talk about biden's executive action on immigration. this is "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. was gonna be so easy before... we had to pretend we had seen all these shows... now that we have verizon, we can stop pretending.

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to his political opponents should he win in november. >> in your first term, you didn't arrest or jail any of your political opponents. after your conviction last week, has your approach to that changed? >> the world is different now. they are doing things that were never done. they are doing what they do in third world countries. i had no crime. so when you ask me, would we do it? i will talk to you in three years from now. >> joining us from phoenix, mr. arizona -- i'm sorry, otherwise known as vaughn hillyard. it was a hot day yesterday. given your attire, it's still hot. that did not stop donald trump supporters from coming out. he focused on immigration. he used some, as we like to call it, colorful language to describe president biden's executive action on the border. he also brought out 91-year-old former sheriff joe arpaio on the

stage. tell us more about what we saw. >> reporter: right. like donald trump over the last seven weeks at the courthouse in new york, on many cold days, here was different, 113 degrees with events in a church and him where he is more comfortable, on a campaign stage in what was his first public campaign stop since his guilty convictions. he said immigration was the focus point for him. at one point, he referred to the executive action that president biden signed to address the border here as bs, but he said it in its full length, to which the crowd inside the church began chanting that word repeatedly. that's a sentiment and issue that's going to be at the forefront of donald trump's re-election campaign, clearly he urged members of the -- of congress to vote down the bipartisan immigration deal. for donald trump, calling up joe

arpaio, the only individual he called up, was a head nod. the 91-year-old was on the front lines when he was sheriff for several times in what he would call crime suppression sweeps, in which he would use his law enforcement personnel to target brown communities and pull individuals over for minor infractions like a broken taillight, and then check and use i.c.e. to check their legal status. in several instances, would separate those individuals who were in the country undocumented and send them back to outside of the united states, separate them from their families. donald trump really is like the character that the sheriff was. i should note, alex, real fast here, we just in the last few moments got two allies of donald trump's, one of the co-defendants over the alleged fake elector scheme, in the last few moments they have pled not

guilty to the charges. >> we should note, the former president raking in a lot of cash. a few more fund-raisers in south earn california, i believe. maybe you will go there. it will be cooler for you. thank you. good to see you. joining me now, republican strategist susan del percio and donna edwards. welcome both of you. susan, what do you make of donald trump's threats to jail his political opponent snz i would ask about bs in a church but we will skip over that. jus. >> thank you for doing that, alice. >> sure. >> you have to take donald trump at his word. i think there is nothing that will stop him from doing such things as going after his political rivals or anyone who he's deemed wronged them, and one aspect i'd also like to look

at. think about the people who he's going to put in and what they may want to go after. let's not forget, if donald trump doesn't care about it, he doesn't care what his staff is doing. so i also worry for the people he puts in the doj what kind of investigations they may do to former business partners, let's say, or just people they don't like at home. it's a really frightening thought. >> quite frightening, in fact. donna, donald trump's critique of president biden's executive action on immigration, it's pretty interesting considering just months ago he pressed republicans in congress not to support the bipartisan immigration bill and just leave the border issues languishing. how is that going to go over with voters? >> well, you know, i think the hypocrisy is pretty rich coming from donald trump. listen, i think it's going to be important on these issues for the biden campaign to be very clear about where they're headed on immigration, and frankly, what they already put on the table.

it's a reasonable proposal. it was supported in a bipartisan fashion, and i think the president has to be, you know, very clear about the direction he wants to take, and he should not run the risk of alienating his base in moving forward on immigration. most americans support things like a pathway to citizenship. that should be part of the goal here, in addition to controlling the borders and making sure that people are processed through the asylum process in a responsible and respectful way. >> susan, staying with the border issue, is it fair, is it accurate to say that donald trump not supporting president biden's executive action -- i mean, of course he wouldn't because they're in a presidential campaign -- but is that not lost on voters, the fact that he's allowing the border to languish just so that he can allegedly get into office and rescue the country, as he says he's the best one to handle

everything. do people see it for that? >> not yet, alex. it's still june. where it was highlighted, though, recently, and i expect to see surrogates out there is in the special election on long island with tom suozzi who really flipped the script on immigration and talked about specifically the deal that was reached and how donald trump blew it and how he -- you know, he basically told the republicans don't do it. wait until i'm elected. i think we'll see a lot more of that, at least i hope so. this is an issue. it would be hard for the president to hold onto it, but i do think that biden surrogates can certainly go after republicans and donald trump on this very issue. >> let me talk with you, susan, about one of the people helping the rnc craft its 2024 platform. it's a guy named ed martin, the former chair of the missouri republican party. he is a prominent stop the steal

advocate, and spoke to trump supporters on the eve of january 6th. he then went to the capitol on january 6th tweeting, i'm at the capitol right now, rowdy crowd but nothing out of hand. ignore the fake news. like mardi gras and d.c. today love, faith, and joy. he was on the east side while the west side of the capitol is what saw the deadly violence. but what does it say about the republican party that this is who they're bringing in to help draft a party platform? >> let's be clear, the party platform should just say whatever donald trump wants is what the party will do. that's the platform. that's basically it. they kind of did that in 2020, as a matter of fact. but when the rnc was taken over by trump truly with putting his daughter-in-law as a co-chair there, remember, they did do a loyalty test, they asked what you felt -- how you felt about january 6th, about other

questions, and i think they had to swear an oath to trump. okay, they really didn't, but it seemed like that if they wanted a job or if they wanted to keep their jobs. so it comes as no surprise that you have someone like this running the platform for the rnc. my guess is that he'll just carry out the orders that he's given. >> last question to you, donna. with the president in europe for d-day and meeting with world leaders, how can he effectively campaign on what he is doing on the world stage and contrast that with how donald trump was received by other world leaders? >> well, i do think that if you listen to the speech that he made on -- in normandy yesterday, that that was really indicative of the way the president is both campaigning in the united states and showcasing the difference around the world, really leaning in on this question of democracy and the defense of democracy. what he said very pointedly is the ability to work toward a

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