good day. i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. history has shown ordinary americans can do the most extraordinary things. president biden invoking the bravery of soldiers who scaled

pointe du hoc on d-day as he urges americans here at home to defend democracy, stand up to aggression abroad, and be part of something bigger than ourselves. the biden campaign message of democracy and freedom as the election gets closer, but is it landing? the defense calls its first witness at hunter biden's federal gun trial. key members who could take the stand and the impact they might have on this case. and polling says the rfk jr. could have an impact on the election. will challenges keep him off the ballot in some major states. we'll explain what it could mean and who is behind the effort. begin with president biden's appeal to americans to protect democracy and freedom. the president delivering that message more than 4,000 miles away at pointe du hoc in france. the dramatic backdrop at the

stop where 80 years ago u.s. army rangers scaled the cliffs overlooking omaha and utah beaches as allied forces helped turn the tide of world war ii. >> to believe, to require something bigger of ourselves, so democracy begins with each of us. it begins when one person decides there's something more important than themselves. as we gather here today, it's not just to honor those who showed such remarkable bravery on that day, june 6th, 1944. it's to listen to the echoes of their voices, to hear them because they are summoning us, and they're summoning us now. they ask us what will we do? they're not asking us to scale these cliffs, but they're asking us to stay true to what america stands for. >> that speech came just hours after biden met with ukrainian president zelenskyy in paris

where he reiterated america's support for the country against russian aggression by announcing a new $225 million aid package. nbc's kelly o'donnell is reporting from paris. also with us, mark mckinnon, former adviser to george w. bush and john mccain and creator of the circus. rick stengel is former under secretary of state for public diplomacy and public affairs. former biden transition team member and an msnbc political analyst. rick, it's good to have you here on set. so you just heard the president asking us to stay true to what america stands for, but how challenging is it in this moment when there's so much division about what this country stands for. >> yes, and there hasn't been a moment, i think, since the end of the cold war where democracy itself was so much under threat. for the last 20 years, the number of countries that democracies have been increasing, and tyrannies and authoritarian states are coming to the fore.

so i think biden's challenge today is to remind people of what people we fought for 80 years ago, but those values are still extant are right now, and meeting with zelenskyy is part of this because that's the challenge of this generation. to kind of impede the force of tyranny trying to overtake a free nation in europe, the first time that has happened since world war ii. >> so i wonder, mark, in this moment about democracy and freedom. it was notable that the president did not invoke his opponent at all. obviously it is donald trump who has led the charge on the republican side for more isolationism, more nationalism. do you think there was a missed opportunity to draw a more explicit contrast today to send that message in a way that, frankly, is in tune with the times? >> not at all, i think to do so explicitly would have made it very political. i don't think he needed to.

implicitly obvious the parallels and the differences. you know, the importance of understanding all of this through the lens of history at normandy then is to think about what it would mean now, and it's pretty clear that, you know, we have two presidential candidates with starkly different approaches, and to think about what -- what would they have done then, and i think the answer's pretty obvious. biden would have supported the allies, and trump would have said good luck with that. and then the circumstances are different, but the parallels are remarkable just in the sense when you think about ukraine, you know, is a democracy who needs the support of allies in a very challenging time. it's very difficult. it's not easy to support ukraine through this tumultuous time. neither was in normandy. >> the president did meet with ukraine's president zelenskyy before this big address. talk a little more about how this war in ukraine fits into

his message of defending democracy. >> at times, the discussion about ukraine at home and in the political context does draw people to their corners, and some of those sort of primal and tribal differences. if you put it in the layer of normandy where americans broadly across the political spectrum have a different set of emotions, feelings, and seams about how the united states performed then, how men and women in uniform 80 years ago performed, and defended democracy, saved europe, et cetera, and how using that as an example where people could relate it to ukraine takes some of the temperature down arguably on the part of the president and to give ukraine this contemporary set of facts and challenges and to remind people of how the u.s. responded in the past. so in that way it fits in very neatly. when you talk about the fact that europe is dealing with a hot war in its own neighborhood

now, for the first time since world war ii, it is also relevant, and the president relying heavily on the relationships between the united states and european allies to keep world order is so important in this. the president talked about his frustration that it took a while to get some funding for ukraine in this sixth set of munitions and supplies to ukraine since the national security bill was passed by congress, and the president talked about how he intends to stay with volodymyr zelenskyy over the course of what has been a very difficult and hard, filled with setbacks war of more than two and a half years now. >> thank you so much, kelly o'donnell reporting from paris for us. so rick, in a new piece in the new yorker, i don't know if you want you had a chance to read susan glasser. it's a profoundly thoughtful work today. among the things she wrote is this, neither stirring

battlefield rhetoric nor snarky one liners, though can explain how biden can extract himself from his current predicament, running dead even at best against a felonious ex-president who diminishes the threats from america's aversaies abroad because he is consumed by purging disloyal citizens at home. something is going to click with voters. i talked to the cochair of the campaign yesterday that they think as we get closer to the campaign, many of these key things are going to be resonating, but are they wrong to expect that? especially when you're talking about something that's not a pocketbook issue, that they may think doesn't impact their everyday lives. >> well, in many polls, people say democracy is on the line, and in fact, in that susan glasser piece, she quotes from the letter that mark milley wrote to donald trump when he was leaving office, and it was about what happened at d-day.

he said not only do you not understand what world war ii is about, you embrace the values that we fought against. i mean, you cannot be clearer than that, and one of the things that the polls show is that maybe people are not enamored of joe biden, maybe they think he's old, but the people who have distaste for donald trump are just not going to vote for him. and even people who don't like biden very much are so repelled by trump that they're going to vote for biden anyway. i think drawing the contrast, and you couldn't have drawn the contrast more clearly today to have president biden in pointe du hoc talking about democratic values and donald trump talking last night about attacking his enemies. >> so mark, in that same piece, susan glasser also asks this. does anyone remember trump in helsinki in 2018 tripping over himself as he took putin's word over that of american intelligence agencies or trump in france for another set of world war commemorations later

that year, fresh off midterm election losses and skipping a cemetery visit because he reportedly did not want to get his hair wet. or trump in 2019 blackmailing ukraine's young new president volodymyr zelenskyy by holding up hundreds of millions of dollars in u.s. military assistance needed to fight off russia as he demanded zelenskyy dig up dirt on biden. how much of this, though, is on the mind of world leaders and how they're going to react to joe biden in the face of the potential of another trump presidency? >> well, the fact that people don't remember those particular incidents of donald trump is a broader palate for all the things they forget. american presidential elections are rarely about foreign policy. that's certainly likely to be true in this one. i mean, this commemoration of d-day is helpful for biden because i think it does draw the stark contrast and reminds people about how fragile our

democracy is, but at the end of the day, that's way down the list of what people are going to be thinking about in november, you know, barring some international crisis between now and then. so as a useful and helpful point of differentiation for biden, but you know, got got to get back to meat and potato stuff people care about here. the biggest opportunity for that is the high wire act he's decided to engage in in the first debate in a couple of weeks. >> you know, to your point, rick, the old saying when people show you who they are, believe them. the president's speech came at the same time as donald trump was making headlines for, among other things, this remark. >> i think you have so much to do, you don't have time to get even. you only have time to get right. >> well, revenge does take time, i will say that. >> it does. >> and sometimes revenge can be justified. i have to be honest -- sometimes

it can. >> do you find anything surprising about the fact that given the president, former president's conversation there with dr. phil, but day after day after day he has made similar comments with sean hannity, that that contrast doesn't seem to be at least resonating in the way, again, going back to susan glasser's article. you still have a race that's too close to call. >> you know, chris, we're here celebrating d-day. this is about men and women who have sacrificed themselves for ideals larger than themselves. that's the very opposite of vengeance. vengeance is mine sayeth the lord. i can't believe people seeing that contrast is going to go i want a guy who is going to go after his enemies in a democracy, rather than embracing the values of democracy that saved the west, as biden said.

rick stengel always good to have you here in person. mark mckinnon, you're going to stay with us. in just 90 seconds, the prosecution is resting in the trial of hunter biden. we'll go live to delaware with the latest. plus, the promise from the president involving his son and pardons. that's next. n and pardons. that's next. deep down, i knew something was wrong. since my fatigue and light-headedness would come and go, i figured it wasn't a big deal. then i saw my doctor and found out i have afib, and that means there's about a 5 times greater risk of stroke. symptoms like irregular heartbeat, heart racing, chest pain, shortness of breath, fatigue, or light- headedness can come and go. but if you have afib, the risk of stroke is always there. if you have one or more symptoms, get checked out. holding off on seeing a doctor won't change whether or not you have afib. but if you do, making that appointment can help you get ahead of stroke risk. contact a doctor and learn more at notimetowait.com

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ocean to be back at hunter biden's trial in delaware today before she returns to france for a state visit tomorrow. it is a powerful show of family support. jill biden raised hunter biden after his mom and sister died in a car crash, and he calls her mom. at the same time, president biden is sending a powerful message about respect for the criminal justice system, whatever this trial's outcome. >> as we sit here in normandy, your son hunter is on trial, and i know that you cannot speak about an ongoing federal prosecution, but let me ask you, will you accept the jury's outcome? their verdict, no matter what it is? >> yes. >> and have you ruled out a pardon for your son? >> yes. >> the prosecution rested and defense began its case just a few hours ago calling a slew of witnesses today already including hunter biden's daughter naomi taking the stand. her testimony just wrapped up. nbc's ken dilanian and mike memoli are both outside the

courthouse for us in wilmington. i also want to bring in former assistant d.a. for the manhattan district attorney's office catherine christian and msnbc legal analyst. so ken, the court just entered a lunch break, get us up to speed on what's happened today. >> reporter: chris, the testimony from naomi biden, hunter biden's oldest child, was really impactful and interesting. she's a lawyer in washington, d.c. she came into court today as a defense witness. hunter biden's attorney abbe lowell got her to testify that her dad, in her view, was doing as well as he had been in the summer of 2018 before he bought that gun. you know, she knew he had been using drugs since his brother beau died of cancer, and she knew that he was an addict, but she said she had seen him in rehab and that he seemed to be doing well. this obviously is a point for the defense because they're trying to argue that he wasn't using drugs when he bought that gun. but then on cross examination, prosecutor leo wise did some damage, chris. he got her to talk about text

messages with hunter biden, who was texting her at 2:00 in the morning asking to exchange vehicles and got her to acknowledge he didn't know what her dad was doing at 2:00 in the morning and why he was texting her at 2:00 in the morning. and then he asked her if she was aware that he had given his bank codes to a man named frankie, and of course she was not aware of that. the point being she didn't know exactly what her father was doing during that time that the prosecution says he was using drugs. and they have some evidence to back that up. so it remains to be seen how all this plays for the jury. while she was testifying, hunter biden was seen wiping away tears. so in that respect, she served to humanize him for the jury, which is a good thing for hunter biden. real damage done on cross examination by the prosecutors. >> so catherine, it was very brief, but as we just heard, there were some moments there. how do you read both the direct and the cross? >> i think -- i disagree a little bit. damage, it was a little

damaging, but i don't think the prosecutors really defeated her whole direct examination. her purpose was to show, which is what the defense is saying, the prosecutors cannot prove beyond a reasonable doubt that on or about october 12, 2018, hunter biden was actually using drugs and actually addicted to drugs. so their argument is why they called the daughter, is that summer with her now husband, he was -- looks fine to her. they visited him at the view, which is a rehab facility, so he clearly was in a recovery mode. so this testimony is feeding into their argument, which is the only one they really have, is literally he was not an unlawful user at the time he filled that out at the time that he allegedly possessed the firearm. so the cross was, you know, why is he texting you at 2:00 a.m. in the morning. you can argue there are a lot of people, not me, but there are a lot of people up at 2:00 a.m. in the morning. it's the daughter, who's frankie, she doesn't know.

obviously the prosecutors saying that's his dealer. i think her testimony on direct was sufficient. it doesn't mean he's going to be found not guilty, but it served its purpose and also, as ken said, it did humanize the father. i think according to the google doc, you know, he teared up. so it showed a little sensitivity on behalf of her. >> in addition to that, our doc, which, again for people who followed the trump trial know is populate bid members of our nbc team who are in court also said that naomi hugged her father as she walked past the defense table. so she finishes her testimony. they hug. later apparently she was seen maybe with some tears in her eyes, though we don't know that the jury saw that. they're instructed to look at the facts of the case, but realistically, seeing this, seeing these moments, can they have an impact? >> they're human. many of them, myself included,

know people who have been addicted to drugs. they -- obviously the law is the law, but you know, it will give empathy and sympathy for -- they're not supposed to do that. >> doubt, potentially doubt? >> doubt, was he at the time that he said he was an unlawful user of drugs, if he stopped and he was in recovery mode, then as the defense argued, they haven't proved beyond a reasonable doubt at the time he did this alleged act that he was an unlawful user of drugs. >> mike, obviously naomi was there to be on the witness stand, but our colleagues inside the courthouse said that biden's family and friends took up two and a half rows in the courtroom gallery behind the defense table. and as we mentioned at the top, that includes jill biden. let's not forget besides just now flying back from france, she spent a good chunk of her birthday with him at the start of this trial. what do we know about how the family has been processing all of this and how much attention the jury has been paying to the fact that the first lady and

other recognizable figures have been sitting behind hunter biden? >> reporter: well, chris, we've seen all week just this blanket of support in the form of friends and family who have been in the courtroom on a daily basis to support hunter biden, and frankly, to support each other during this trial, and even up until today and at the end of each day as there were breaks in the trial, we saw an upbeat mood, some handshakes, some hugs, embraces. we even -- some of our team members saw hunter biden out last night having pizza with another one of his daughters, mazie. another friend telling us they had pizza with hunter and his wife and their baby beau and that they were in good spirits. but there definitely did seem to be a change in the atmosphere today. it was certainly unpleasant to have hear hallie biden, beau's widow describing the difficult moments after beau's death and to testify against him. to have hunter's daughter to be put in a position of potentially

testifying in very tough cross examination by the prosecution giving details that might hurt her father's case seemed to really change the dynamic. and really, the entire trial is going on with this family confronting a very difficult truth, which is if president biden had not run for office, if he was not running for re-election, would this whole ordeal have been spared of them, and then to see president biden have to answer that question, the power that he has as president to potentially pardon his son, to lift this cloud from him is one he's choosing not to take because of the respect for rule of the law and the concern potentially about the politics as well. a difficult day for the family in what has been a long and difficult trial here. >> catherine, one big unanswered question, and it usually does wait until the last minute, but that is will hunter biden take the stand in his own defense? what goes into making that decision? >> if they prep him, and he doesn't do well when they're cross examining him, it's very rare. there's really no good that comes when defendants testify.

it's a rare defendant that knocks it out of the ballpark. so we will see. he doesn't have to. there's no need to. why put him through that because then it opens up the door to asking a whole bunch of other things about his credibility. >> but if they feel at the end of this that they have not mounted a defense that's likely to work, would they do it? >> obviously it's up to him, so i'm saying, you know, i'm saying they won't, but if he wants to, he will. but you know, that's very close. i think through their cross examination questions, i would argue they've built enough reasonable doubt. we'll see if the jury believes the same. >> ken dilanian, mike memoli, and catherine christian, thank you all very much. and coming up, inside the rnc's decision to hire a stop the steal advocate to help craft its party's platform for decision 2024 and how much influence his election conspiracy theories could have on republican policy making.

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of staff mark meadows pled not guilty for his alleged role in attempting to overturn the 2020 election in arizona. meadows along with 17 others including rudy giuliani and boris epshteyn are charged with nine felony counts, conspiracy, forgery, and fraud among them for the so-called fake electors scheme after the 2020 election. nbc's vaughn hillyard is following this for us. vaughn, what's the latest? >> there were 18 co-defendants, chris, from this indictment from the arizona attorney general back in april, and now two more today, mike roman and mark meadows going into maricopa county courtroom and pleading not guilty. each of these co-defendants so far has pled not guilty at this point. there are still three individuals, jim layman, bill epstein and jenna ellis, those three individuals are set to be arraigned on june 18th. that would square off the

entirety of those 18 individuals guilty or not guilty pleas here. so we are still waiting for the formal mug shot and fingerprinting process. that's where we expect rudy giuliani within the next two weeks as well as others to come in here to maricopa county to formally go through that process here. but we are watching this process play out, and if, in fact, each of these individuals pleads not guilty as part of this conspiracy and fraud charges, each of them facing nine counts, we could see this process here move forward, but this is notable here this morning that you said it, the former chief of staff less than 24 hours after donald trump campaigned to return to the white house, his former chief of staff entering a not guilty plea here in maricopa county. >> vaughn hillyard, thank you for that. while some 2020 election deniers face criminal charges, one very vocal stop the steal supporter is now on the payroll of the rnc. ed martin, former chair of the missouri republican party has been hired as the deputy policy

director of the rnc's platform committee, which drafts the policies the party will run on in november. martin is best known for his push to overturn trump's 2020 loss and marching on the capitol on january 6th. ryan reilly is following this for us. walk us through more about who this is and what his role will be at the rnc. >> sure, so he's closely tied to a lot of the key figures in the stop the steal movement. the website of his group actually referred to him as one of the key organizers of the stop the steal movement, and he spoke on january 5th just outside of the u.s. capitol outside of what had then been established as a perimeter. he was in the vip section, the trump speech, and then he ended up at the capitol, calling it fake news. saying it was a rowdy crowd but it wasn't anything out of hand. meanwhile, on the other side of

the capitol officers were being brutalized and minutes after he sent that tweet carrying it to mardi gras and a cop was dragged into the crowned you'd and had a stun gun put in his neck. in the aftermath of january 6th he's been a key figure supporting a lot of these january 6th defendants. he was at a fundraiser at bedminster at trump's facility there, raising money for these january 6th defendants. he's on the board of one of these organization, that fund-raises for them, and he's also spread conspiracy theories about january 6th itself, including one bizarre theory that posits that a guy he calls mr. coffee was responsible for january 6th. it's this individual who set up the non-operational gal lows off the restricted grounds of the u.s. capitol that day. he's been pointing to this individual. his everyday is just that this individual walks in the vague general direction of the fbi field office, and that's why he's blaming this person as suggesting that they are some sort of undercover fbi agent. it's one of the many bizarre conspiracy theoies about

january 6th that we've seen, and those photos that you see on the screen there are from a field hearing in which ed martin spoke, that was organized by house republicans speaking out about the prosecution of january 6th defendants, chris. >> ryan reilly, thank you for that. we've got some breaking news now, in brand new financial disclosure statements, supreme court justice clarence thomas is now acknowledging controversial luxury trips in 2019 paid for by billionaire harlan crow. nbc's lawrence hurley is following this for us. what more are we learning from this financial disclosure? >> yeah, and the report, this is the annual reports that the justices put out every year, and up until the series of stories by propublica last year that ended up winning a pulitzer prize, clarence thomas had said that these types of things didn't need to be disclosed and he maintained that even after the propublica stories came out that detailed his trips with harlan crow and some other

things like that and so these -- this report today is kind of interesting because he has an amendment to his 2019 report, in which he says he inadvertently omitted a couple of trips, one of which was to bali with harlan crow and another one was to the bohemian grove private club in california, also with harlan crow, and so he amended his report just to make that clear. under the new rules that were adopted last year, justices certainly have to report this type of thing, thomas had previously said those are kind of loophole that meant he didn't have to. so here's the sort of acknowledgment that maybe he -- at least some of those things he now realizes that he should have disclosed in the first place. >> lawrence hurley, thank you so much for bringing that late breaking news to us. appreciate it. and coming up, new challenges to robert f. kennedy's eligibility to run if the for the white house in november. the group trying to get kennedy

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in what could be a major blow to robert f. kennedy jr.'s independent run for president, challenges are being raised today that could affect his ballot access in new york and potentially many other states. that includes california with the largest number of electoral votes in the country at stake. a group aligned with joe biden

says that in applying for ballot access, kennedy lied about living in new york when, in fact, he has long resided in california. there's a double problem, actually, his running mate also lives in california, which would disqualify him from being awarded any electoral votes from there. the stakes are high, and recent polls show kennedy has anywhere from 6 to 13% nationally. here to break it down for us, nbc's mark murray and mark mckinnon, former adviser to george w. bush and john mccain. so mark murray, "the new york times" reports that kennedy put the new york address on ballot access applications in multiple estates, an address that is that of a close friend's home where he has visited often but not where he lives. talk about the stakes here what we really know about the polls and what this could mean. >> i think the stakes and the biggest story might be how difficult it is for independent

candidates, third-party candidates to get on presidential ballots, and often, it requires tens of thousands, sometimes hundreds of thousands of petitions to be able to get on, and in this case robert f. kennedy jr.'s campaign seems to have the time and certainly the resources and sometimes the name i.d. to be able to do that, but now it's actually withstanding some legal challenges that are coming from parties that don't want to necessarily see him on the ballot, and then in this particular case, chris, the kennedy campaign says that new york is the state where rfk jr. ends up having his driver's license where he's registered to vote, where he's registered his car, and where he's lived for decades. but it is true that his main residence where he currently lives is in california with his wife, the actress cheryl hines. >> so mark mckinnon, there's been this great debate over who rfk's campaign impacts more, trump or biden. a biden aligned group filed

this. does that tell us anything? what do you make of that debate? >> well, that's the great about robert kennedy, nobody's clear who he hurts more. the reality is he's taken a big piece out of both of them. if you want to know who he's threatening, just see who he's attacking him. at first it was biden and then it was trump. that's the remarkable thing, he's an anti-vaxxer with appeal on the right and a pro-environmental with appeal on the left. what's really remarkable is we have a presidential election where we have two nominees in three quarters of the country find those two nominees very acceptable and a guy who says that a worm has eaten part of his brain is getting 16% of the vote. so it's the choices here are really tough for american voters, and mark makes a great point. i've been affiliated before with trying to get third-party ballot access. the system is really rigged against it.

the fact is it's a duopoly, the democratic and republican party, and in every state there's either a democrat or republican secretary of state, and they make it absolutely as difficult as possible for anybody else to run. and the starting sum to get on the ballot is $50 million. >> not an insignificant amount of money, even today where money seems to be at least pouring into the democratic and republican candidate, but we have some examples of exactly what both of you are talking about, which is this difficulty in getting on ballots. there are headlines in different states all around the country that are about the fight that he's having right now. there you see a couple of them to get on ballots. he's also been fighting obviously, to get on the debate stage. when you look at his campaign, mark mckinnon, at this point, what's the best case scenario for it? is he really a significant challenger? >> well, listen, in this environment i think anybody's

significant. he's drawing 16% of the vote now and maybe won't sustain that. if he gets 2 or 3%, if anybody tuz in a race decided by a thousand votes, yes, it's a problem. the kennedy campaign is a massive train wreck, completely disorganized, but it won't take much to put a dent in this election. >> well, i mean, that's an interesting point, mark murray, and i wonder what history tells us, one of the things that democrats and frankly, a few republicans will say as people get to know more about robert f. kennedy, that support will start to dissipate, but as mark mckinnon points out, first of all, it's not going to take much in this environment, right, to grab for one candidate or another, to potentially change what happens in one state or another. those low information voters,

those voters who may be voting on name recognition, do they go away in significant numbers the closer you get to an election? >> yeah, chris, you know, historically third-party candidates often end up polling a lot better than they perform at the ballot box because people when they're taking a poll say, hey, i'm not satisfied with any of these kind of candidates. this person i'm going to support because they're the place holder, but getting that person to go and cast a ballot for a third-party candidate is a whole different thing. one way to actually look at this 2024 presidential race, it is a rematch between president biden and donald trump, but it's not necessarily a replay because in 2020, the size of the third-party vote was just about 2%. it's going to be higher than that, even if rfk jr. ends up doing worse in the polls, and there's always been this thought that the higher the third-party vote, the more it actually ends up hurting president biden because of the fact that donald

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set, what do you think the implications are, and you will go, correct? >> i will go. i don't get into this, i'm boycotting this speech, my blanket policy is i'm a member of the congress and if the leaders see fit to invite somebody, i don't adjudicate. i will be there. i know that will strike people as the wrong thing to do. that's my policy. it is a terrible idea, chris, right, from netanyahu's standpoint, the man is engaged in what he himself described as sort of a life-or-death battle, and he's going to take the time to come to the united states in what is quite clearly a political move, right. is he here to try to persuade us to pass an israel support package, clearly not. we did that several weeks ago with my support. what is he here for, why he not at home working 24/7 to release the hostages, to conduct the war in a more humane fashion. he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt on this. he is here because the speaker loves the fact that this is something that divides the democratic party, and the reason the prime minister doesn't get the benefit of the doubt on this

is that i was there in 2015 when the prime minister made a speech to congress that was clearly designed to create pushback against president obama's desire to get an iran nuclear deal done. instead of doing what he should be doing, which is 24/7 unfreeing the hostages, he's here participating in a republican, divide the democrats stunt. i don't know who benefits from that. >> let me ask you about what happened today with the other war, which is president biden met with president zelenskyy with ukraine, some long delayed aid was announced, and then he also invoked yard line in his huge speech with echoes, clearly of, and mentioned of ronald reagan, who gave an extraordinary speech at that same place 20 years ago. do you think that it was purely historical or did you hear political implications in the speech that the president gave today? >> well, if you mean partisan,

no, i don't think it's part ann. -- partisan. half of the republican party voted against ukraine aid. i'm not sure joe biden is going to convince that half of the republican party to change their minds. he's decades of foreign policy guys, and i think he doesn't miss an opportunity, particularly with the residents, the last time europe and the united states got together to fight a clearly evil invasion of a european country was world war ii. i think he's trying to remind people that, you know, if my lifetime there haven't been a lot of black/white good evil fights, this is one of them. >> remind, people middle of the road voters, reagan republicans, what that phrase truly means, i'm here and i stand for those same things? >> i think that's right, and, you know, it's not unusual for a

president to seek that context in which they are most powerful and that is of course their role as commander in chief, and as the individual who runs foreign policy to demonstrate american resolve, and i think, you know, i think he looked strong, and i think it was a good moment for him. >> i have to ask you about changes on your committee, the intelligence committee which holds the nation's secrets. two staunch trump allies, scott perry and ronny jackson were named to it, reportedly, at least according to one report without the knowledge of the chairman. this is a committee that really has worked hard and prided itself on not being partisan. what do you think these two additions mean? >> it was tough to absorb because chairman turner, who i compliment profusely in terms of his dedication to creating a bipartisan, not angry environment to do the incredibly important work of overseeing this, you know, $90 billion

operation, which is the cia and nsa, and all of our intelligence work, you know, if the accounts are true, and the speaker didn't bother to let the chairman know, that's tough. there's been a long tradition in the committee, if you go back decades, you'll see the party's leaders, every leader has appointed people whose reputation inside the house was as profoundly serious minded and maybe even a little bit nonpartisan. that is not what happened here. look, my job is to keep this committee sane. working with the chairman. i'm not going to prejudge what happened. i'll tell you, congressman perry's statement on real oversight, that was painful to see. that was so derogatory to the chairman, and to any number of members that have devoted, eight, nine, ten hours a day. i'm going to remain optimistic. if i got personally offended on what happened in the united states congress, i wouldn't have time for anything else. we're going to hope congressman perry, and his colleague rise to

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