realize this guy is competing for our audience. you have fox news stuck in the middle between the right and the trump world. and they captured the trump world. as a business practice we don't know what the counter weight is. >> yesterday news max during president biden's speech the 88th anniversary just reran donald trump's 75th anniversary speech. >> like sure. >> bill, thank you. that is all for the week. you know we're living on earth too when fox is not showing the biden speech of the

88th anniversary. this was really something. >> i'm literally here watching a family member die. 30 years on air, 27 years operation, 50 years this building. i literally when i know i leave tonight they're going to shut us down. either tonight, today. i believe in my grandparents, i believe in my parents. i believe in humanity. i just want to -- [bleep ] these people. they have to be stopped. we have to stop them. so, al at the end of the day we're going to beat these people. i'm not trying to be dramatic here but it's been a hard fight. >> reporter: that was alex jones one of the country's biggest conspiracy theorists crying, at least we think it was crying on his show last weekend about the fact that his program info wars might finally

be coming to an end. for a decade, jones and into wars has pushed insane conspiracy theories like 9/11 was an inside job. and the u.s. government controls the weather. but perhaps jones' most disturbing conspiracy was his claim that the sandy hook massacre a school shooting that killed 20 first graders and six adult teachers and school staff members that sandy hook was staged. >> sandy hook, it's got inside job written all over it. sandy hook is a synthetic, completely fake with actors in my view manufactured. >> all i know is the official story of sandy hook has more holes in it than swiss cheese. >> alex jones pushed lies like this about sandy hook for years which resulted in his followers harassing and tormenting the families of sandy hook victims. so those families sued alex

jones for defamation and they won. jones was ordered to pay those families $1.5 million in damages. but in 2022, alex jones declared bankruptcy effectively guarding his family from the sandy hook families until tonight. tonight sandy hook families accepted a proposal from alex jones to liquidate all of joneses personal asset s. this court liquidated will keep their claim alive in the event that jones accrues more wealth in the future. and all of this means it could finally be the end for info wars. >> so alex jones is being held to account literally his bank account. reality has really set in this week and not just for alex jones. this is the epic times. it is a news outlet that

started decades ago as an anti chinese communist party leaflet for the following gong. you may know for their performance group shen yun. a show that travels the country explaining their version of precommunist chinese history through song and dance. the epic times became less about chinese socio and just plain conspiracy theories. causing vaccines caused widespread injury and death. it pushed seriously niche content like this documentary revealing a secret world government plot that forced survivors to eat bugs. but for years now the epic times has claimed content has been wildly successful. they put up billboards declaring the epic times as the number one trusted news. in 2021 the epic times claimed

they had grown the sites revenue by 685% in two years. it all seemed pretty fantastical because it was. according to a lawsuit, the site's content was not the moneymaker here. not the bug plot. the real increase in revenue was coming from a massive money laundering scheme run by the epic times chief financial officer. since 2020 the cfo has been buying millions of the dollars of prepaid debit cards at 70 to 80-cents per dollar from criminals on crypto currency expenses. nice work if you can get it. the epic times cfo is being charged with bank fraud and could face up to 30 years in prison. all of this is negative press for the epic times and positive news for the health of our information ecosystem. and to that end, to the triumph

of reality over conspiracy, there was news on this front. >> do we know the truth about what really happened in the 2020 election. >> that was far right activist conspiracy theory filled documentary 2000 mules. when that film debuted, trump hosted a screening of it in mar- a-lago and giuliani and the pillow guy were there. thousands of people were paid to dump biden ballots in drop boxes and steal the 2020 election. it is a complete fabrication but the right wing went bananas for it. to this day, 2000 mules is part of the.

and last week when they faced a lawsuit, they offered an apology and stopped distribution. it doesn't just matter for the health of our public discourse it matters for the health of our democracy. because it wasn't just 2,000 mules that was pushing the big lie. all of these outlets were. >> if you've been following the media over the past week you probably think the election is over. but that is actually not the case. >> the epic times is one of the first outlets to really go hard on the big lie. right after the 2020 i election, its home page became an election challenge tracker. following legal challenges and fake elector events state by state. as for alex jones, not only did he push the big lie but alex jones actually helped organize and fund the stop the steal rally where trump spoke on january 6th. the big lie may be the most influential conspiracy theory of our time. yes there is plenty of other

outlets and even sitting u.s. officials who still push the lie but these outlets, these outlets crashing and burning this week, conspiracy theorists that matters. it comes on a week that many people tried to use the big lie to turn over the election. donald trump's criminal case may be frozen but that doesn't mean everyone has to give up trying to bring this country back to reality. joining me now. i'm sorry that we had to play

alex jones footage at the top of this segment but it was for a purpose. mark i do wonder, you know individually these stories may not resinate but i do wonder if there's any sort of political cost to seeing all these right wing conspiracists and the theories they've been pushing. >> you might think it would be. this is all kind of happening on one side. these live by and large on the right these days. and it's not like they're out there very separate from the mainstream of the republican party. you have donald trump actually you know closely interacting with the desusas. even the alex joneses of the world. you have mark meadows as the chief of staff. there's a very close tie in between what he does, what the republican communication messages and all of this. so i do think, it would be, there's a lot of fertile material for democrats to work with. the challenge is, how do you

cohere it. how do you make it sort of something that is viable for a political campaign environment. you know you could say, look this is a very, very corrupt group of people. this is a corrupt candidate who's own vice president, who all these cabinet members many of them are not supporting him. you know, you need those for strategy and something to simplify. i do think that calling donald trump say a convicted felon is obviously helpful. but it is hard to communicate the sheer sprawling massive material they have to work with. >> the mendacity knows no bound. beyond the elegant theory that could be useful for democrats there's also the reality that these, these lies hang on republican elected officials. if you follow them upstream, you get to sitting senators. you wrote a piece in the atlantic today talking about the way in which the fake electors plot in wisconsin leads us to ron johnson. and that is not good for him. can you talk a little bit more

about how you see those dominoes falling. >> well, i think the story you just told. people need to understand what an integral role to convince people that the election was stolen. spreading the covid conspiracy theories. that's important because many of the republican politicians have followed where the base went. they have been influenced by the desouzas and the epic times. steve bannon is also going to jail. there's a great moment of feeling there's karma catching up with the mendacity that you've been documenting. but to your point, this is so deeply engrained now in the republican party and a republican party headed by donald trump. i mean i would love to spike the football and say, that you know, we're now seeing reality

make a come back. but the big asterisk there is can reality make a come back in american politics as long as donald trump is possibly going to be elected the next president of the united states because as mark mentioned, these things are not, they're not simply discreet. donald trump has worked very closely with each of these outlets. they are crucial cogs in the disinformation web out there. and as long as donald trump is there, and as long as you have elected officials like ron johnson who are willing to carry water for the big lie in these conspiracy theories, they can still do a lot of damage. and will do a lot of damage. >> yeah, i mean, look, we talk about trump's kind of infallibility at least in the core in terms of holding him accountability. i do think though mark, we talk about the states that are going to change this election and by all outside assessments it's, wisconsin, michigan and pennsylvania. and in two of those states and

if you extend it to arizona and georgia, nevada, other battleground states not essential to biden. there are state investigations and criminal indictments around these fake electors. why it may not be this over arching movement to hold trump accountable it does remind people on the ground of what happened in 2020. there's something to the people in your neighborhood being involved in a plot to steal the election that still resonant with american voters no matter where they get information or what their social media feed is. >> no question, the fact that wisconsin and michigan are central to these cases is going to be an important reminder. and those are the three states. i mean you mentioned arizona, georgia, nevada. those look pretty bad flow for -- bad flow -- bad now for biden. but there are three others where he can win.

i think that all of these stories if you take them together are either products of lawsuits or some kind of criminal action or sort of government action against the perpetrators. the wrong doing is being prosecuted or litigated which is a fine way to come up in our world. what would be great in a political context is if republican politicians in mass or at least a critical mass could sort of lock arms and actually, if not do the right thing, sort of like distance themselves in some way from this rather than sort of hug the really bad actors and become one with it. because look, they're one of our two major parties now. and that is what defines them. and it would be nice if, if that would actually just sort of happen more organically. >> they're also going to pay a price at the ballot box if they keep embracing certain parts of the big lie which is mail fraud. the mail in vote is fraudulent,

can't be counted now all of a sudden, trump has a statement released on tuesday whether you vote absentee, by mail, early in person or on election day we're going to protect the vote. we'll make sure your ballot is secure and your voice is heard. we must swamp the radical democrats with massive turn out. donald trump talking republican voters to vote by mail. it's like reality of how you win an election is slowly dawning on the republican party. >> i actually think this is an under covered story. how much chaos there is in republican party ranks over these basic questions of can you use drop boxes, do you gather votes. how do we feel about mail in voting. the significance of the criminal charges now against the fake electors in wisconsin is going to focus attention on the attempt to steal the election but also i think it's going to highlight again how divided republicans are about this. i mean this is torn apart the republican party in wisconsin. with the demands of trump world, that they continue to

challenge that and negate the votes of millions of wisconsinitis. all of that has now been revived. but you again, it's hard to predict whether this helps biden or the democrats. i do think that, at least let's take a moment to notice that we've talked about earth 2.0 where there is no reality. what we're seeing this week is, is reality making a little bit of a come back. there is accountability and the price tag and the consequences for these mendacious lies and in alex joneses cases. these profoundly evil lies about the murder of those children. that there is finally some come upence for these guys. i think showing with all the corruption of our system and culture that eventually these things do catch up with you. i hope this sends a message. for all of us looking ahead like when are we going to get

out of this. what's ahead for american culture. these kinds of stories that we saw this week, i think are this little slight glimmer of hope. i'm not, i'm not engaging in irrational exuberance as long as donald trump is still leading in the polls. but it was a bright spot. >> yes, it is a victory for earth one where no one is part of a global plot to call the population and make anybody eat bugs. whatever the epic times has to say about it. mark and charlie, thank you so much for spending a little of your friday night with me. i appreciate it. >> thanks. private jets, luxury resorts, today thomas is finally disclosing some of them. but not all of them. two former police officers who defended the capital in 2006 were greeted with boos by

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this week two police officers who defended the u.s. capitol on january 6th were booed and jeered by republican lawmakers in pennsylvania as they were introduced as heros in the state house. some republican lawmakers even walked out. the standing ovation from democrats quickly drowned out republican attempts to disrespect the officers but that behavior is another example of how far the self- described party of law and order is willing to go to rewrite history and to please

its leader donald trump. downing me now is harry dunn, former u.s. capital police officer and author of standing my ground. a capitol police's fight to stand his ground and good trouble. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> tell me what went through your mind as you walked into that state house and started getting booed at? >> honestly, the first thing that walked through my mind it was such an hon honor to be there. to be able to be recognized. to be noticed. i appreciated that moment. let's be clear, this isn't anything new. this has been 3-1/2 years since january 6 happened that we've been speaking out. it's kind of par for the course. it's what we expected but it doesn't get any easier to deal with. but it also, but it motivates you to continue to keep going. that's why you know that's the reason why i was actually in pennsylvania. to meet with people that don't believe or they're down playing or diminish what happened on january 6th to be able to tell

our stories about what happened. and make sure that people don't forget it despite the efforts from the maga republican faction to white wash, diminish and flat out lie about what happened that day. >> do any of those republicans ever come up to you. do you ever have a conversation about why they think what they think. >> not the ones that were booing. honestly i would like to talk to them. if they have their version of events that happened that day, let's sit down and talk about it. versus your opinion on what donald trump is telling you and the far right media is telling you. i was happy to sit down and talk to them but they didn't even give us the opportunity. when we were on the house floor, we got acknowledged. we didn't speak. we didn't say any words, they just acknowledged us. so it wasn't like they walked out in protest over something that we said. they just wanted to grand stand. they just wanted to grand stand

and make a scene. they, the speaker, just literally said our names and who we were. and they walked out. like it wasn't like we were out there speaking. it was just our presence that intimidated them i guess or made them angry. but unbothered and motivated even more. >> just your presence in the state house was cause for them to jeer you and leave the chamber. i have to ask you, this is the week that mike johnson the speaker of the house. a different house, the house of representatives declared that the republican party is the party of law and order. i mean you're a former police officer who's getting booed by members of his party. i mean how does that make you feel when he says that? >> like i said, this isn't new. this is their play book. this is what they do. it's a #, it's a bumper sticker. it's something they put on a campaign rally sign. but it's not the truth at all. i mean just look at how they're responding to what happened in the court up in new york with donald trump. they're not the rule.

they're the party of law and order when it works for them. you know they had people like, on january 6th there were people that called the police officers traitors as they were attacking my coworkers. there were people that were there that said they were doing it for us. they thought that they were right. it's crazy because they think, it's only good when it works for them. i get so flabbergasted because it's just unbelievable to think that they can sit there with a straight face and say those things. yeah we're the law and order we back the blue. what they forget to say is only when we do what they want us to do. >> i have to ask you because you have been around these key moments. you were there when trump was standing for trial: you were there when deniro was going against those trump supporters. do you feel they need to engage in more of that hand to hand

combat. did you feel it was effective? >> yeah, well, i would be careful with saying hand to hand combat. >> figuratively speaking. >> you know what they say. that's their play book. but yes i do think everybody needs to forcefully push back against these lies. i mean, you know, nobody said a word when mike johnson and the house delegation, the republican delegation was going outside the courthouse in defense of donald trump for that familiar case. you know we just went up there, my story was about january 6th. i didn't talk about the trial. you know to be honest i wasn't really following it. i just wanted to let everybody know how i feel that donald trump is one of the biggest threats to our democracy. and you know, it's kind of rich people say that democrats need to move on from january 6th. i would argue that you tell that to donald trump. he's still campaigning off of january 6th. offering pardons to people who attacked police officers, attacked and stormed the capitol. he's offering pardons to them so that's part of his campaign

promises. things he's making. so i refuse to move on from january 6th. especially when you have people still out there spreading lies about what did and did not happen. >> you have not moved on being a guardian for society at large. i know you just started a pack using money for candidates going against republicans. >> democracy defenders pack.com. yeah, we are continuing to fight and doing whatever we can do because everybody has to have a role in this protecting our democracy. >> officer harry dunn who was there and knows well what happened on january 6th. thank you so much for your time, and thank you for your service, sir. i really appreciate it. >> thanks, alex. a supreme court justice finally admitted he did accept travel from a billionaire

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accepting luxury vacations from republican mega donor crowe. in his financial disclosure forms, thomas noted that he had inadvertently failed to disclose several trips. with private jet flights and other gifts. but is precisely the moment that the court is advancing an extremely conservative agenda. in two years alone, this court has overturned roe v. wade and has delivered more blows to rights. meanwhile they're advancing in schools where education around lgbtq education has been censored and book bans seem to

limit what conservatives perceive as a liberal world view. one book in particular has been the subject of a ton of conservative anger. it is called the 1619 project by nicole hannah jones. actor and creator of the 1619 project which is out now this week in paper back. also joining us is dalia. it's so great to have you here to put all of this into context. first i have to ask nicole, as you look at the project of the court and how it mirrors what conservatives are doing on a political level. does any of it surprise you? >> i think that we can both be, you know, appalled. not necessarily surprised because of everything that we have learned about this court over the last few years but we can still be shocked by things that are not necessarily surprising. we know that trust in the

supreme court is at a historic low. i think what's probably most surprising is even people who thought we had a good understanding of how government worked, you know civics. i'm surprised that there seems to be no enforcement mechanism against what we're seeing happening on the court. >> yeah, daliah it's the flouting of any kind of oversight and almost this sort of celebration of the immunity is i think, is something that makes certain people including a lot of people i know incandescent with rage. the fact that thomas is coming clean and forgot he had received maybe half a million dollars in gifts from harlin crowe seems so implausible as if to be in some ways almost useless as an excuse. >> right, i mean if one were cut out by propublica and maybe we should pause to say propublica may be the only

functioning brand of government at this moment. work has been outstanding and we should lift it up. but if you were cut out by propublica taking huge, these lavish gifts. a loan that we have no idea the terms of to buy a luxury rv that cruises around the country. you know, your mom's house is paid for by harlin crowe. your grand nephews tuition is covered. all of this is meticulously laid out over the past year by the really industrious reporting. and here is two things in 2019 that i should have disclosed. not all of the bohemian trips. not all of the luxury yacht trips he's taken. i'm just going to throw you

this bone and continues to use this language. inadvertently forgetting. it was a misunderstanding of filing instructions, right. people go to the death chamber for inadvertently failing to do their documents correctly. and he's just like, oopsy, here's a couple i will throw you this bone. it's the absolute materialization of what it looks like to have complete immunity. >> yeah, well, and it also looks like corruption when you look at what clarence thomas has been saying on the, really in terms of advancing the conservative roll back of basic liberties and freedoms that we've effectively taken for granted. this is a man who has helped dismantle women's body

autonomy, voting rights. does the appetite for. thomas replaces thurgood marshall which is the biggest insult to thurgood marshall. he is a black man when he votes against trying to stop the vote gerrymandering in south carolina. when he votes as the department of education of going too far. what it does is it doesn't allow us to say that these are

racial rulings, right. because he's a black man. so when you combine that with understanding what looks to be corrupt activity. looks to be like american how are we supposed to have

faith in this court. that judges are ruling on what these millionaires want them to vote on. >> i also just think you know, they, they are kind of like the real housewives of atlanta in the sense that they think they can roll anybody. i'm struck by, the fact that sam alito excuses away his insurrectionist flags by pointing at his wife. this is a judge from a court of law. they know how to make a sound argument in their own defense and they're not even trying. in the way that thomas is failing to argue the millions of dollars in gifts that he forgot to document. >> we have signaled time and time again this seems kind of

bad but oh well. they're the monarchs and we're the serves and we tolerate it. once the court overturns roe on the most bogus premise right. and does so you know suffering years of precedence without explaining. once it does away with centuries of the understanding of the second amendment to put guns in the hands of everybody. once the court says, oh you know what, we're going to do away with the epas ability to function using an invented doctrine that has no roots in the constitution or statutory interpretation. they've been doing this and doing this and doing this in tandem with these flagrant ethics violations. these flagrant sort of statements, public statements right. when you're hoisting a flag that's not a t-shirt. that's not a mug. this is a flagrant statement of disrespect. both for us but also for the office itself. and our answer is to be like oh well there's nothing we can do about it. so i sort of want to flip the

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during jim crow the black family were together. during jim crow, black people were conservative minded but more people voted conservatively. and johnson and you go down that road and we are who we are. >> reporter: republican senator of florida made those statements. lamenting the landmark programs enacted in the 60s to help low income americans. if people can't see you shaking your head right now. maybe they can now. nicole. you know people have accused your seminole text of being

some sort of rewriting of history but i wonder what you make of the conservatives who have been lobbying on those. >> i don't nope if byron saying that out of ignorance or cynicism. what we know is his own marriage was not legal in the state he lives in until 1969. we know that as he's talking about black voters were mostly conservative, the very first civil rights martyr were voting civil rights activists. >> byron is from florida. >> he's from florida, right. and if you look at the black poverty rate during jim crow was more than 55%. when they say those things they're clearly not talking to black people. even though this was at a black

voter event this messaging is not for us. none of us believe. we can talk to our grandparents who grew up during jim crow. we could talk to our parents, my dad lived in 1945 the lynches stayed in the country. we can talk to our parents to know that black americans were not better during jim crow. i don't think he could live in state like florida with the history of the state of florida and think that things were better for us. i can tell you, he would not want to go back and live under a jim crow. court decisions, they're wrapping themselveses in the cloak of mlk or trump called himself, you know, the nelson mandela of our time because of his criminal prosecutions andro dan bishop this week was talking about how donald trump was tweeted the black voters were in

alabama in 1950. i mean, where does that impulse to coopt civil rights come from as it concerns the broader conservative project? >> i mean, i think that the most charitable version is that they are trying to pick off iconic moments and, you know, play them and everybody, you know, reveres mlk and so you cite to dr. king and you're citing to an icon. i got to say, alex, i think it's just trolling at this point. i mean, i don't think it's much beyond knowing that the ability to say that, you know, the voting rights act, the highhe water mark of the civil rights era, the reconstruction amendments, and all the ways in which they are sort of the baseline of, you know, how we made voting fair in this country after a very long slug to turn that on its head and say we're

going to use, you know, those amendments to argue for color blindness, to do away with any remeed measures that could, in their view -- i hope i'm wrong, but i think that there is, nicole's word is so good, this deep cynicism to the project of coopting all of this pain and suffering and then saying, oh, it's me, donald trump, who's really, i'm that guy. >> right, the white grievance. the white grievance has been alive even since the dawn of originalism, right, which is largely a vehicle to enshrine white grievance through jeurys prudence. i wonder how you have seen the country change and whether this book is even more necessary now than it was four years ago and

whether that is distressing to you. >> when the book published we were in the brief period of racial reckoning where it seemed like our nation was trying to grap wl this 400-year history, with the way that anti-blacknesa and the legacy of slavery led to the george floyd moment, led to so much of the inequality we see, and we're clearly now in a racist backlash where no one is talking about those racial justice efforts of 2020, and instead we're seeing people kind of explicitly reject them. they're rejecting dei. we're seeing states legislating -- the same people who were arguing for free speech who are now legislating and disbanding entire departments that were trying to bring more diversity and equity. we're seeing books being banned. the 1619 project itself has been the histories and to make the connections that will help us understand and see exactly what

they're doing, to see why we need these programs in the first place, and it is trolling, right, because they don't believe what they're saying. they don't actually believe in color blindness. they talk about race all the time. they obsessab over race all the time. but what they doe think is that

ing. they don't actually believe in color blindness. they talk about race all the time. they obsessab over race all the time. but what they doe think is that r what you think that reflects in society. >> can we first say, i don't actually think the polling that's showing donald trump has upwards of 25% support among black americans is true. and when i talk to pollsters who specifically poll black communities, they also don't think that that's accurate polling. now, it doesn't mean that donald trump is still not getting a significant amount of support. maybe he is. but i really don't think it's 25%. but i do think that there is a lot of apathy. i think folks who don't want to vote for trump also are feeling very apathetic about biden over,

of course, things like gaza, but also this sense that every four years democrats come begging to black folks to safe america and then black folks deliver and then no one delivers to them. and it seems like, you know, joe biden's not talking about racial inequality, there's been no police reforms, there's been no reforms on so many of the issues that black americans go to the ballot and vote for. we don't vetch a voting rights act. we don't veven a party that's willing to v protect our right o vote. so i think that that's what we're seeing. it's just a lot of apathy. folks feeling like -- >> yeah. >> -- just always being told you have to vote against someone. >>vo and not for. >> is not enough. >> all right, we have more to talk about on this conversation. i know you're busy with book tour. nicole hannah jones, author and creator of the 1619 project. and the great dolly. thank you for your time tonight. we will be right back. r time tonight. we will be right back. i work for the city of new york as a police administrator. i oversee approximately 20 people

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