artwork and his name. he seemed content. during one of his mental health evaluations, he told doctors, this is the happiest i've been in my life. i'm happy as a clam, to be honest. i really am. be honest. i really am. jr. who four decades after shooting an american president appeared at peace with his past. that's all for this edition of "dateline." # thank you for watching. . good morning. and welcome to the saturday edition of morning joe weekend.

it was a busy week, so let's get to the conversations you might have missed. >> you can't gag a nominee. can you imagine you are running for office and not allowed to talk. when that ndhappens, we are no longer's democracy. and we are not ppgoing to let that happen. and i know a lot of republicans want retribution and want to do that we are rigoing to see what happens. >> donald trump is ratcheting up threats to prosecute his rivals if reelected following his conviction on 34 felony counts in his criminal hush money trial. and in a new piece for "the new york times," it's taking a closer eslook at what that coul mean. explaining it like this, the justice department is part of the executive branch. and he will be its boss. he will be able to tell its officials to investigate and prosecute his rivals and mr. trump who has made no secret of his desire to purge the federal

bureaucracy of those found insufficiently loyal to achis agenda will be able to fire those who refuse. what's more, the times also highlights how republican leaders in and out of government, are publicly pushing to prosecute democrats as legal retribution for trump's felony conviction. specifically, steve bannon, the former chief's strategist evto trump who fowas convicted in a federal prosecution for failing to comply with a congressional subpoena. and in the january 6th investigation. he told the times in a text message that now is the time for obscure republican prosecutors around the country to make a name for themselves by prosecuting democrats. stating, "there are dozens of ambitious back bencher state attorneys general and district attorneys who need to seize the day and own this moment in

history. the cohost of the weekend simone sanders townsent and an host of the podcast on brand with donny deutch and state attorney for palm beach county, florida, dave. dave, can you expound upon how this time around if trump did win another term in the presidency, that actually those threats wouldn't be something that republicans or people who choose to vote for him despite thinking that's wrong, perhaps going oh, you know, he is not serious, how actually this time around it can be serious. >> it's dangerous if donald trump gets a lackey as attorney general they have immense powers as federal prosecutor a and less ability to influence local prosecutors. one of the best things about being a local district attorney is that the governor, the attorney general and the president isthey are not your bosses. the people of our communities

are our bosses, and that's why when maga blames joe biden for pulling the strings in the new york case. they are lying or have fundamental misunderstanding of the chris fuma'am justice syste i can assure you no might house or president e called me to go after anyone especially donald trump. and if the white house was involved at the local level ed they would be calling me e because i am the state attorney with mar-a-lago in my jurisdiction. what this shows is team trump is projecting yet again when they claim that prosecutors are weaponized against former president. they are now trying to do what they are falsely accusing political opponents. it's cynical and dangerous and shows how the rule of law means nothing to the people. >> let's take other side and what democrats are tdoing and should be emdoing in the wake o the verdict. have seen polls suggest slight move towards president biden. a point or two. "new york potimes" had a survey

they went back and recanvassed voters they spoke to and now the verdict modest but 2 points towards biden in race that's clothes but what should democrats being doing in terms of addressing the rules of law but how should they be taking on the verdict? is it something that should be front and center inor a piece o the puzzle. >> i said last week. it's a branding issue. whenever they refer to them they should start with convicted felon like he used to call lying ted. that's his name convicted felon donald trump. keep it present because as you talked about earlier, the a parade moves on. and this is something the parade shouldn't move on. the other thing i couldn't help watching this 'tmorning from normandy and biden speech, as biden referred to tyranny around the world and a w dictatorship and lack of freedom around the world, i was not confused. i was thinking was he talking

about trump or putin which was the bigger threat he was talking about. and everybody should just watch and look at faces of those hundred-year-old men, the greatest generation who gave their lives not -- they gave their lives but partners gave their lives and they put their lives on the line. what they did that for so we, today, could have a free vote. it's as simple as that. they gave it for freedom. what's on the line in the ballot, and i am not overlie dramatic is free elections going forward. donald trump tellsous what he is going to do and will we have free elects if donald trump is elected and that's on the line and that's also with democrats we have to continue to do is no more complicated than that. it's freedom versus the end of democracy. that's it. that's not hyperbole. >> and simone, in order to dedo that and in order to defeat donald trump, think we have to pick up a certain percentage of trump voters. so. >> well. >> my question go ahead. >> well, tii would say, not tru voters because trump voters are voting for trump.

there are very few people who brand themselves as trump voters who would consider casting a ballot for joe biden. and so i actually think in y order to win, joe biden has to recreate parts of his coalition from 2020, and that coalition included republicans and obviously an until of voters and democrat being base voters. and i have to tell you all i talked to our colleague michael steele one of oumy cohost on th weekend about this often. and michael hesteele is you hav to create a structure because republicans and they cannot fathom e voting for joe biden. he think what the issue is democratic voters, because the tent is so big, especially black and latino voters, young people, right, women voting democrat for a long time, they have not had a problem going into a voting booth checking the box or pushing a button for a person that doesn't align with them on everything because they are clear about why they are voting and the person will give me everything and is not with me on all the things.

but i got to go into the ballot box for x, y and z. lee pub cans voters have not had to do that for a lopping time. to ask republican voters never had to hold the nose and cast a ballot for someone they don't think alines with them 100%. and in this election, when we talk about democracy, and i heard-- hearing joe biden this morning every day i am proud to be an american. but today maybe especially proud because especially the joe biden is our president. because when he stood out there and he said that it is the blood of the young and the brave that will defend and he laid -- made the case very clear, that's not a speech donald trump could have given. it's not something donald trump believes. but it is going to take a coalition of people, again, as times wrote in america, presidents have to earn the mandate and idearn it from the voters. and the question on the table is can joe biden earn the mandate. and think he can but they have to recreate the coalition. >> simone, what he said was the price of unchecked tyranny is the blood of our young.

and will we stand up to that tyranny. the answer is yes. and i felt the same thing you did. i did feel the very same way. >> george's 2020 election interference case will not go to trial before presidential election this november. yesterday, a georgia court of appeals officially stayed the case until at least october. that ntmonth the court will hea a challenge of judge scott decision's to allow district attorney fani willis to remain. it applies to former president trump and multiple codefendants including rudy giuliani and former white house chief of staff mark meadows. it seems in two of the really key cases, jonathan, the delays keep coming. >> yeah, the trump playbook for more than a year now is all the charges and various jurisdictions was to delay,

delay, delay to try to push them past the election. that didn't work in new york. and atwe know that and got a verdict last week. but seems to be working about everywhere else. georgia case definitively not happening until after the election. mar-a-lago classified documents case, judge cannon seems to be running interference at times for the trump campaign and that's been delayed. so dave, that leaves one. and that's the federal january 6th case. he which right now, big peas of it lie before the supreme court waiting a-a ruling whether or not presidents have full immunity. it's been described to me as a couple options here. one option is they say no of course not and if that's the case there is still a slim chance that jack smith could get the trial done in maybe august and therefore, we would have that before the election. but, if they do anything else including kick it back to the circuit court it will be beyond ma. give us your analysis what you think could, but will happen. >> the only case that could go before the election is that

d.c. election interference case. judge cannon slow walking the case and cathe case in fulton county and fani willis had self- inflicted wounds and d.c. a judge who wants it to go and prosecution who wants it to go, but the supreme court is holding it up. now, there are a lot of options. the people are court could ou throw it back to the judge and say fact-finding. p that would make much harder . to have the trial before the election. but she would have a public fact-finding hearing which then the public would learn about all the dirty details around donald trump's involvement with january 6th. that's something. but in the end, think the problem is that the people need to know whether donald trump is guilty of the crimes and everyone was agasped about on january 6th. and department of justes which normally doesn't push cases shortly before the election has announced they will go to trial in this case wwithin 06 days o the election if the supreme

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same type of aggression. the president did say that the support for ukraine would continue, that we will be this for ukraine. how does that -- how does that parallel with some of the what we have seen in washington that delayed the much needed aid ukraine needed to push back against russian aggression? >> well, you know, that aide should have gotten there a long time ago but i am glad it is there i and making a difference. every i day we are pushing it to the front lines making sure ukrainians have it and can use it. but there's a powerful parallel between what we are commemorating today and what we are doing. back then it was not just the united states. here in normandy, 12 countries came together. 160,000 men coming to the beach, coming to start the final fight that ultimately 11 months later led to victory in world war ii. ukraine, more than 50 countries

standing up, standing together, and making sure that ukraine has what it needs to defend itself and push back aggression. and that's the power of our alliances and that's the biggest difference maker in the world. our adversaries and competitors, they don't have the same alliances they coerced countries and pay them off, here, we have country after country that volunteers to stand together stand together in defense of principles that we share and need tee fending. we see that in ukraine and saw it 80 years ago here in normandy. >> mr. secretary, good morning. of course, the war in ukraine is the backdrop to where you are today in normandy. i wanted to get your reaction. donald trump, the presumptive republican nominee said a few times including last night on social media that he is saying that putin will release wall street journal report evan gershkovich who is being held prisoner on espionage and suggested putin will do so after the election were trump

to win. can you give us a sense what he is talking about. is there a back channel conversation between trump and putin offer is this sort of dangerous rhetoric? >> i don't know what he is talking about. i can't speculate on it. all i can tell you is, we are working every day to make sure americans who are being detained arbitrarily whether in russia or anywhere else, come home. and we managed to bring more americans home who are being arbitrarily detained than any administration. and i carry a list with me every day of the americans who remain detained by one power or another, and we are working every day to make sure that not another day goes by before they are brought home to their families. i am not sure what he is referencing, but i can tell you we are working at it every day. >> mr. secretary, as you sat there this morning on sacred ground, you witnessed a group of veterans aged 98 to 103, struggling to stand in order to

receive the legion of merit from the president of the united states and the president of france. given the burden that the president is carrying and you are carrying, in gaza, in the kyiv i was wondering as you watch the ceremonies and looked at the faces of these aged veterans, what were you thinking about? >> mike, it's -- it was such an incredibly powerful moment to look at men to try to imagine what it was like for them. 80 years ago. and he thought back because my dad, then, 80 years ago, had just left college in the middle of his school year, to signp for the air force to prepare to go into world war ii. and some where else on this continent, my stepfather was incarcerated in concentration camp. a death camp. and the men who came here to

normandy 80 years ago, and turned the tide on the war because 11 months later world war ii was over, some of them went onto liberate the camps. and liberate my step dad and he was liberated by an american tank with that 5 pointed white star on it rushing up to a gi in the tank who opened the hatch and african american gi and he said then the only words he knew in the english language, god bless america. that's what i was thinking about today. god bless america. god bless the men who were before us who saved the world. >> mr. secretary, the president talked about nato how it is growing, how much stronger it will become against these dark forces. we have had a time in the united states where the commander in chief at the time, did not respect nato, i will

say it kindly undermined it. can you share what's most important about the conviction and commitment of this international alliance. >> mika, it's really as i said, our comparative advantage we bring other countries together in common purpose so it's not just america alone. it's all of us taking on and upholding the cause of freedom. in ukraine more than 50 countries. not just the united states. and for everything we are putting into it, collectively our partners, our allies, are putting in more. and that's what's making the difference. so, to deny ourselves those alie ands -- alliances would be to short change our interest to do everything ourselves on it wouldn't get done. we used to have an idea after world war ii, called enlightened self-interest where the investments in others the

work we did with others that came back ten times, 100 times, 1,000 times to our benefit. it meant we had new allies to deter aggression and new partners to deal with big problems that one country can't deal with alone. we had new markets for our businesses and our workers to sell to. that made sense for america. it makes sense for america. and president biden is determined and as he has been from day one, to make sure that our alliances are strong, partnerships are real, because that's good for the country. >> coming up, a new wide ranging interview with president biden revealing what he hopes to do if he is elected to a second term. we will talk with time magazine reporter who spoke to the president exclusively. don't go anywhere. nice to meet you. my name is david. i been a pharmacist for 44 years. when i have customers come in, and ask for something for

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>> other than that you will have a wonderful life. >> credit due there to jimmy kimmel and his team putting that run together. contradictions and poor predictions from donald trump. in a new wide ranging interview president biden is outlining his vision for a second term and highlighting his efforts to leave the country around the world. the president spoke exclusively to time for the publications upcoming cover story titled if he wins. joining us is time's washington bureau chief who he and time editor sam jacobs interviewed president biden for the cover story on may 28th at the white house. good morning. so what is the pitch if you put it on a bumper sticker but let you go longer. what's the pitch for a second term other than keeping donald trump out of the white house again? >> well, think that the point that biden and his team makes is foreign policy is very, very

important. it's as important as any issue and the difference between biden and trump on foreign policy is as big a difference as has existed on foreign policy in 100 years maybe ever. biden believes in alliances. trump and his team are very skeptical don't like alliances. it matters generally for the future of the world and for americans prosperity and security which way the country chooses to go. >> tell us more if you will about the president's vision for a second term in terms of the foreign policy particularly on the matters of ukraine and what we are seeing in israel and gaza. >> so, you know, big issue in the background is china managing china's rise. what biden talks about in the interview is a kind of alliance based approach to managing that. they point to he and his team point to ukraine as an example

of the way that it values based alliance can maximize amplify american power and influence. he is expanneded nato, and he brought in some asian powers into the effort in ukraine in ways people haven't done before. and in the middle east it's been a more prague mat being approach after initially isolating insaudi arabia the administration pivoted and embraced them to pull them back from china. and obviously,s's wrestled mightily with the alliance with israel and with netanyahu. all that gets to how you manage china, which is the first country in 100 years that has the potential to challenge the u.s. both militarily and economically, and you know, that really competition is going to shape, you know, the future for the u.s. over the coming century. >> so tell us a little more about that and also the role

india might play. we have prime minister and his party today we are learning going to be reelected, but a small margin than anticipated. how does president biden attempt to say he will attempt to manage the forces? >> so, again, it's good example of what the biden approach is versus the trump approach. trump took a bilateral one-on- one transactional by his kit and it's aes' own account achieved a lot in his own right. biden is more internationalist. so within india in addition to the straight one-on-one stuff, they focus on what's called the quad which is japan, australia, india and the u.s. and trying to build that up into a kind of a more formal sustainable force. but he's -- the list if you go back and look at stuff they rolled out, at the bilats

between trump -- between biden and modi, they have a long list of things they have tried to put uneatable to bring india closer to the u.s. because you are right, that's a key strategic player in managing china. >> and of covers, the president expected to underline the importance of american alliance during speeches to commemorate the 80th anniversary of d-day this week in france. times cover story featuring president joe biden goes on sale next friday june 14th. title if he wins. times washington bureau chief massimo, thanks so much. we appreciate it. next, nearly two years after the supreme court overturned roe v. wade, a new book looks into conservatives' years long strategy that led to the dobbs decision. we will talk with the authors after the break. did you know sling has your favorite programs for $40. >> favorite news for $40 a

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congratulations. today's pub day. >> today is pub day. >> congratulations. >> today is pub day. >> your baby is out into the world. >> it is. >> it's here. >> cooply, deeply reported 350 interviews and you really get into the history of the issue. so, it's a lot to get through. but, i guess the -- i will start at the end which is how the dam broke after this half century effort to overturn roe versus wade. doubled trump getting in the white house, obviously put the three justices on the supreme court. but at the end, what happened to push it over the finish line. >> our book is the first narrative of how roe fell and we looked at final decade what have we call the roe hear and they were able to move the levers in power and big and small working at statehouses pushing through legislation. and you point out donald trump is elected and they get -- they jump on that train.

it is a bullet train for them. and they get really lucky and get three seats on the supreme court. and they are dealing with an abortion rights movement that is really ileequipped and unprepared to take on the threat in a country that has a pervasive sense of denial the right part of american life for two generations could suddenly disappear. >> so, donald trump obviously evangelicals were skeptical of him in 2015 and 2016 a talked about being pro choice. many time in public previous to that, and then maybe ultimately they realized they could perhaps shape him because he wants to be elected. >> one of the interesting things we found is it was not just evangelicals that catholics played an important role in the anti-abortion movement's growth origins. evangelicals were late coming to that in history. and leaders of the anti-

abortion movement actually really were rooted in their conservative christian values. values about family, womenhood, and, of course, abortion. and what our story shows it was shows values that were behind the movement. certainly as lisa said there's all the levers of power they pulled. but at its core this is happening over a period when america's becoming increasingly secular. and there's so much cultural change especially when it comes to marriage, family and sex. and these are the things the anti-abortion movement ultimately is hoping to change. it is not just about overturning roe. it's about a much bigger half century plan to really rollback the sexual revolution. >> joe, you watched this so closely from the point of view of faith but also through politics over the course of your life. >> yeah. >> and your career. culminating once donald trump is in the white house with 50 years precedence overturned. >> right in right 50 years of

precedence overturn and elizabeth you are right, catholics have been pro life for quite sometime as i always joke on the show. evangelicals my church southern baptists were pro choice from the time of jesus birth until the eagles broke up. and i -- just so when you say a new america, i think it's interesting it was a new republican party and redefinition by political activists in 1979, 1980, what it meant to be in the evangelical and what it meant to be a christian. and you had people like paul you richard and jerry falwell this is how we beat a southern baptist democrat. i am curious how did their

political mass nations in 1979 and 1980 not only change american politician, but based on your reporting, how did it change how evangelicals looked at their own faith. in bringing in this political controversy that many now put at the center of their faith. >> well, look, if you think about politics influencing religion or religion influence politics, and the story that we have been really seeing you have been talking about on the show for so long, is in the trump era especially in the last decade, we are really seeing the merging of those two things. and politics influencing religion. and you know, you can think back to the very long game the anti-abortion movement, conservative christians think in generations about change not just a political cycle. but, also, the people that you mentioned, that's a couple generations ago. and there was actually this

most recent generation that actually got overturning roe over the finish line was really led by conservative christian women. and they have a vision of what it means to be a woman in america. how motherhood fits into that. that really changed the game in the end. and it is not just the story of kind of the '80s religious right but a modern religious right that's not just issues about abortion but issues all kinds of cultural issues. in this whole realm about rolling back the sexual revolution. >> and some ways, they have radicalized along with the republican party it's a new generation of socially conservative activists and have gone, i think donald trump republican party expanded horizons of what is possible and that's part of what we see playing out in the politics now particularly on this issue. >> well, and let's also state what every survey shows. a the love people calm they

will selves evan evangelicals. tim keller said he stopped using the term because it had been so politicized. i am curious, lisa, in your reporting, i think the cliff hanger here as dobbs was being decided after the leak was whether john roberts was going to be able to get kavanaugh or barrett to come with him and just go with the mississippi 15 week ban. i am curious what did your reporting find? how close did the chief justice get to getting one of those two to take a more incremental approach? >> well, he didn't get all that close. he tried and certainly tried hard but in the end, this is not what happened. and you know, one of the most interesting things i think we found is we uncovered some new sort of internal documents that showed where this movement wants to go in the future. and how you know elizabeth was

talking about how this is a movement that is really intent on changing the structure or reverting in some ways the structure of american families and what we saw was they are looking at other things going forward and that was hinted at in the decision by thomas. but, certainly, the internal documents we got a handle on we are talking about transrights and talking about parental rights and religion and public squares and things like schools or town meetings, and same sex marriage. this is a beginning you know the start of a series of cases on the issues that will wind their way to the court. up next, emmy and grammy nominated comedian on her new standup special morning joe will be right back. why. some people know the best rate for you are the best rate on all state there are people that are not you. a lot of them. you don't drive like. >> i don't want my child raised by a robot.

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cologuard. this is the moment i've been waiting for. >> who knows where it will lead. convicted on all 34 feminie counts by a jury of his peers. >> this case is about donald trump's willingness to commit crimes to obtain that power. >> the rule of law was able to fend for itself during a course of the trial, but who fends for it in the aftermath. >> republican party. >> has a decision to make now as to whether or not it is okay to be convict and hold the nomination. >> we arrived at this in the same way we would any other. that is our justice system working. >> the process was itself a monumental achievement. my wife stephanie is directing tonight. tonight's my night, though. okay. stephanie call 911 and and a gigantic fireman appeared. i thought, i get it now.

i could get used to this. >> mommy's home. i came around the corner and our son said, it's just her. >> does everything have to be a joke with you? >> kind of, yeah. >> that is a look at the new standup special tig notaro hello, again in the special tig a mother of two speaks about the more humbling parts of parenthood as you heard there. and as well as health challenges that come with aging and even unexpected encounter she had with a firefighter inside her bedroom. the maniy and grammy nominated comedian joins us now. she is also the codirector of the movie, am i okay which premiers tomorrow on max. we will talk about that in a minute. tig so good to see you. >> you too. >> can we hear about the firefighter encounter on do you not want to give away too much about the special. it raised questions in your mind. >> it was a little confusing. i am married to a woman, and

she had to call the -- she had to call 911, and a fireman came and hauled me out of the house in the middle of the night. and his just big strong arms holding me and carrying me really, i truly was in his arms thinking, oh my god, i get it now. i was so confused. and he also had a big mustache, and. >> that will get you. >> i didn't know i was into mustaches. i was so confused. because i was, you know, fighting for my life, but also like, am i in the wrong life or you know, i didn't know what was going on. but -- yeah. >> you got it. you got it a little bit. you got two kids as you talk about in the special. your wife also as you said stephanie, directed this. >> yes. >> what is the dynamic there in terms of work partnerships? she is directing you in a special how to you get along.

>> we get along well. we met working together. we met as actors on a film and created shows, and written tv and film and we have done everything together. so, it just kind of felt more -- my wife has a different look than the fireman. but, my taste is all over the place. but, so, yeah, i feel like we have similar sensibilities with slight differences of course. but i think those differences elevate our vision and everything that we do. >> i mentioned the kids. there's a hilarious moment in the special recounts a moment she arrives home to less than enthusiastic children. >> one day, i came home by myself and when i walked in, the alarm said, side door open.

and our son started yelling, mommy is home. mommy is home. and that's what they call stephanie. and then i came around the corner, and our son fin looked back at me and looked at his brother and said, it's just her. as if to say don't even bother even slightly turning your head. the let down is so monumental. learn from my mistake. >> some of us who have two kids at home i can relate. >> we all can. >> not being the chosen parent. tell us how you decided to draw from your home life, kids in particular, into your act? >> i mean, it just i feel like it's that extra sense as a comedian where i think this is

definitely something i am going to take on stage. and then, you know, now that i am married with a family, i -- it's not just me anymore. so, i have had moments where steffi has been like, i feel like that's just for us. >> right. >> and which is fine because there's a million other opportunities. i say i live in a house with a writing staff. because there's always something that i can grab and use. >> no doubt we all have multiple children and i think we related to the moment i think i am the number three person in the house and there's four of us hold on a second. think when people see you on stage and watched your special, they think she just has it together all the time. she just walks out on the stage and just does it. and you talked a little bit about how the chaotic events leading unto the special, and i am sure leading up to what you do on the stage, talk to us a little bit about that. because people don't always see that side of comedians and

others who perform publicly. >> when you say. >> i think you talked about traveling through europe and losing are suitcase and. >> yeah, yeah oh my gosh. >> and the things that go into what you do on stage. you don't just pop out there. >> i normally do, i am a freak of nature in that way where i can just show up at show time. walk in and the back stage door and walk on stage. but, when i was touring europe before this special, i did -- i lost my suitcase for almost three weeks. and it was just on tour without me. seeing all the sights that i was hoping to. and i also somebody walked in front of me at the airport, with their huge luggage, and tripped me and i was launched fractured my wrist, and ended up on crutches for the rest of my tour. and i just got off crutches three days before that special. i didn't think i was going to be able to tape it. >> did you see that person in the airport. >> i mean.

truly. >> hurt too. we talked about your professional collaboration with stephanie. you codirected the movie am i okay starring dakota johnson. tell us about that. >> it is a movie that was written by our friend lauren ponerantz who is outrageous such a great writer. and it's a later in life coming out story. dakota plays i think a 32-year- old. it's not like a grandmother is coming out. but she should if she wants to. but, yeah, it's just a story about friendship but also coming out, and basically you should be who you are at any age and do what you want to do, and it's really such a beautiful performance by dakota. i really think and know we just screened it the other night, the audience went nuts for it.

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we have lots to show you this saturday. let's step into some of the covers we had this week. donald trump did return to the campaign trail yesterday for the first time since convicted of 34 felonies last week. in phoenix, arizona, a state trump is not visited since 2022. the former president focused on more of the past and the future, complaining about the perceived injustices come he says, that have been inflicted on him over the years. >> i just went through a rigged trial in new york. >> nobody's ever seen because dinner was rigged. >> the election was rigged the last time. i will tell you that. >> i did much better than i did in 2016. millions more votes but a lot of bad things happen. he used covid to cheat. >> impeachment hoax number one. everything is a hoax. >> meanwhile everything is a hoax the former president spoke to dr. phil about wanting to

take the stand at his trial and how sometimes revenge can be justified. >> i have a lot of lawyers that are friends. i had probably 25 goes over the course of a couple months say whatever you do don't testify because you will say something just a little bit off and you will be indicted for lying or perjury. these are evil people. these are sick, evil people. >> i think you have so much to do, you don't have time to get even. you only have time to get right? >> well revenge it does take time. i will say that. and sometimes revenge can be justified. i have to be honest. sometimes it can? >> revenge does take time. revenge can be justified. susan glasser, this gets at what you're writing about in the new yorker. this idea that donald trump, everything, everything is about him and you show up at a rally

and all you hear about are the injustices committed against him in the world and how he's a martyr and a victim and everything else. you never hear him talking about how he will make people's lives better, which is what presidential campaigns used to be about. >> that's right. if you go back and look, this is a significant escalation and radicalization of trump around himself in a way that is quite different from his 2016 or even his 2020 campaigns. the other part of the agenda has diminished and the all about trump part of the agenda has taken over fully. and to the point about contrast with president biden. barry struck that at a moment when biden makes a clear focus on his efforts to combat what's happening in the world, you have trump repeatedly saying in recent days that he essentially doesn't care that much about russia and china. they are not such a big problem pick the biggest problem is the enemy within. this is emerging as a real theme

for trump's campaign and he proposes to do something about it. you saw that amazing clip with dr. phil. even sympathetic interviewers these days try to get trump to say it's not about revenge and he won't buy it because it is about revenge. again and again and again trump is telling us very clearly. i guess my question is, are people really listening to what he is saying? is different than what he said before. >> the biden campaign says people will start listening and to this point they have largely tuned out trump. the trial has come and gone and he will be out there with more high profile settings and name with the debate and it can't be stressed enough how much the biden campaign is betting on that debate to change the trajectory of the race believing americans were here trump talk about things like revenge and how it's justified and be repelled by it.

my question to you is is the bet right? do we think the biden campaign -- this is been aesthetic race to this point and we've seen a little moment here and there including after the verdict for the most part we can say it's close but trump has had narrow but consistent leads in most of the battleground states. do we think this argument here, this dangerous argument on revenge will change their minds? >> two great things happen as a result of the trial. one was the guilty verdict and this has put trump on a path that this is all he could talk about never hear the words inflation from his mouth. you don't hear the words immigration or crime or any of the talking points he would usually use. he is consumed with this now and even now we are a week or eight days of the trial and this is all he could talk about. this is not what voters want to hear. i don't think any voter will say -- i've yet to see the numbers in the polls. i see things about immigration in the polls and democracy but i don't see revenge as an issue any voter has said is a key issue. the more donald talks about that, the better it is for biden.

>> jean robinson, the story -- i don't know. it's a snapshot of our time and where we are right now that bends your mind. i'll read it to you. two officers who defended the capitol on january 6 were booed by pennsylvania republicans this week pick this happened as former capitol police officer harry dunn and former sergeant aquilino gonell, two officers that help to protect the capitol on january 6 and prevent the overturning of the 2020 election visited the pennsylvania state house as part of a cross-country tour to discuss the threat they say donald trump poses to the country. we are told some republican members not only booed them but turned their backs on the officers and even walked out. this comes as they have been on the campaign trail in key battleground states in an effort to get president biden re-elected. this is the upside down world we are living in right now where police officers, think back the blue and support the

police and all that stuff, who stood in the doorway defending democracy and turned back a group of people who were led to the capitol by ally committed violence in the capitol, try to overturn our system of democracy, those officers are now being booed by republicans. >> it is unbelievable. one of those officers was injured, a real injury to his foot defending the capitol. the other was showered with racist abuse and, of course, physically threatened and endangered defending the capitol , defending our members of congress. trying to do their duty in the citadel of our democracy and they get booed.

look, one of our two major political parties has completely lost its mind and that's largely because of donald trump. and it is not just the senators and the representatives who are out there with incendiary and inflammatory rhetoric, but at the local level it's the rot, the craziness is even deeper and, in a sense, a more worrisome because if you look -- state republican parties, there are fanatical, sort of, unhinged people who are becoming not just a significant faction and those parties but in control of republican parties in our major states. this is a political emergency

that we are going to be dealing with, i think, for a while because even if donald trump is defeated this november, all this , sort of, insanity in the republican party across the country doesn't immediately go away. this will be with us. >> this is a small group of republican lawmakers in pennsylvania, sure, but it's representative of something else, is it not? the crime committed by these two police officers, in the eyes of the people blowing them , are that they are crossing donald trump and they are speaking the truth about donald trump and the truth about what they saw with their own eyes on january 6. >> you know, in the last 24 hours if need a contrast i don't think you could find anything more stony than if you follow the news on the one hand biden at normandy giving a speech and seeing the faces of those heroes, 98, 99, 100-year- old man from the greatest

generation and you feel that greatness. and then you listen to donald trump doing an interview yesterday and hearing him talk about what's wrong with this country and the hate and the venom and the self obsession and the vengeance and the revenge. and then you hear local republican lawmakers booing january 6 policeman and turning the back to them. one party is about darkness and grievance and negativity and self-loathing. and the other party is and will be throughout this campaign about positivity and i think there's about contrast there. >> next, homeland security secretary alejandra mallorca's response to president biden's executive order about the southern border.

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president biden issued an executive order that will shut

down asylum request at the southern border when crossing spike. under the order, border officials will stop accepting requests when daily encounters reach an average of 2500 migrants at legal points of entry. the shutdown will go into effect immediately as department of homeland security officials say encounters have reached 4000 migrants daily. the border will only reopen once the number of false to 1500 migrants pick joining us now is homeland security secretary alejandra mallorca's. thank you for being on the show. obviously this has had a mixed reaction come even from democrats, but explain how this works. what happens as this executive order goes into effect? what happens to the excessive number of migrants trying to make a cross over the border. >> good morning and thank you for having me. the goal here is to reduce the number of people who come to

the southern border of the united states and cross illegally. our goal is to drive people who seek and need humanitarian relief into the lawful, safe and orderly pathways that we have built. individuals who arrive at our border and cross illegally will be barred from asylum, with exceptions. however, 1400 people who have made appointments through our cbp one app will be able to seek asylum in the united states through our ports of entry. individuals who have access our parole program for cubans, haitians, nicaraguans and venezuelans will be able to access assignment relief in the united states we have built an unprecedented number of lawful pathways, but we are going to secure our border and reduce the number of people who are encountered at its. >> mr. secretary, good morning.

i think the question for a lot of people and not just conservatives, is what took so long to get to this place? we can go well before the legislation, that group of senators work hard to present and then republicans and the congress turned their backs on it on the instruction of donald trump. but going back even further than that, a system that allows people to show up at the border, claim asylum, sometimes legitimately and sometimes not, and move into the country because they know it will take years for the asylum hearing to come up, why did it take so long to get to this place which does seem rational to many people? >> well, two points. first of all, you have ceased accurately upon the fundamental problem with our asylum system that it takes years and years and we need congress to fix it. only congress can provide the enduring solution, which is legislation. but that's -- let's take a look

at the chronology. on day one of his administration, the president presented congress with a comprehensive legislation to fix our broken immigration system. since then and up until may of last year, we have been operating under the public health order of title 42. when that order was lifted in may of last year, we drove the numbers down, despite some predictions that pandemonium would ensue. shortly thereafter, the president implored congress to fund this department and other departments that administer our immigration laws as we need to be resourced. he, in august, submitted a supplemental funding package. and then again in october he submits another supplemental funding package. and neither was picked up by congress most regrettably and most importantly . we then went into an arduous, hard-working process to develop bipartisan, senate legislation

that would have fundamentally fixed our asylum system. and once and for all properly resourced this department and the department of justice and state. twice congress failed to pass that legislation and so the president took this executive action within his lawful authority. >> mr. secretary, good morning. you outlined the domestic political challenges with what's happening at the border but the united states is not alone in this. is also mexico and they just had a new election. can you tell us the relationship and the guidelines you will use as your approach with the new administration there. are you hopeful they will cooperate? >> we have built a very strong and productive partnership with mexico, with the president, we expect that strong and productive partnership to continue under the presidency of claudia sheinbaum . and this

challenge of migration is a regional challenge and it requires regional solutions, not just in partnership with mexico, but in partnership with other countries such as costa rica, panama, colombia, guatemala, ecuador, and the like. we are experiencing not just at the southern border but the rudder hemisphere and around the world an unprecedented level of migration, an unprecedented number of displaced people and regional challenges require regional solutions. >> homeland security secretary alejandra mallorca's, thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. we appreciate it. we have lots more to get to this hour. morning joe: weekend continues after a short break . oncern me?

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i know you said before that you've been sustained by the prayers of lots of americans. i see pictures of people praying over you. her question is, she said you been faced with so much adversity and persecution for years, what is your relationship with god like and how do you pray? that's sharon from alabama. >> i think it's good. i do very well with the evangelicals. i love the evangelicals. and i have more people saying they pray for me. i can't even believe it and they are so committed and so believing. they say, sir, you're going to be okay. i pray for you every night. i mean, everybody. i can't say everybody but almost everybody that sees me, they say, it's such a beautiful thing -- you know what's a beautiful thing too? when you look at all this bad

stuff going on, they have nothing to look up to. they have no god. they have no anything. they kill people. bb-8 people. they push people into subways. there's just nothing there. religion is such a great thing. it keeps you -- you know, there's something to be good about. you want to be good. it so important. i don't know if it's explained right or if i'm explaining it right but when you have something like that, you want to be good. you want to go to heaven, okay? you want to go to heaven. if you don't have heaven you almost say, what's the reason? why do we have to be good? let's not be good. what difference does it make? >> really, i don't know what to say. religion is a good thing, it was his reaction. he was asked, what is your relationship with god? he said, i do good with evangelicals. asked about his prayer life, he says, people come to me and say, sir, i pray for you every night. proving an extraordinary ability to sound clueless after all

these years on the most basic questions of faith. and what is your relationship with god and talk about your prayer life, are two of the most basic questions. joining us now, nbc news national affairs analyst and partner in chief political columnist at hawk. i know he and his former partner, mark halperin, also asked donald trump questions about faith in 2016. new testament or old testament? and his answer was -- both. what is your favorite bible verse? what your favorite bible verse? oh, i don't want to talk. and david brody at cbn asked him if god has forgiven them and he said, well, i don't pray to god for forgiveness. there is no reason for me to be forgiven. this is a man, of course, who is claiming massive support

because he's getting it among self-described evangelicals, john. please explain that to us all. >> thank you for comparing me with one of the great mysteries of life and modern politics. look. you had that took earlier today and i do think the change that took place that you pointed to in the religious right went from essentially the political people kind of guiding the movement and taking it to a new place to where it has become more recently, which is the religious people kind of took over in some sense the conservative movement and they started to channel their desires through political instruments. trump became for a lot of people in the antiabortion movement and more broadly on the values right, trump became a totally instrument to advance their causes and i think it's

one of the most cynical things i've seen in politics. think about people talking about true believers and talk about the faithful being single issue voters are blinded by their beliefs and ideologically driven extremists. in a lot of ways they became more instrumental than almost any faction in american politics. they look to trump and said we know he's not a christian. we know he doesn't believe anything he says, but this guy is her ticket to getting done what we want to get done. overturning roe v wade is one thing but across the board he became the tool by which they could achieve things they had long wanted to achieve and had been able to achieve and they turned out to be right about that but they meet a very deep, very cynical deal with the devil and i don't mean to call trump the devil here but it deal they said, you know, the man's not one of us but who cares. he will win and will get it done and will do what we tell him to. >> but they were making that bargain even before donald trump with paul wyrick and

jerry falwell and richard saying, what we will do is we're going to actually turn abortion does not only into a key political issue for evangelicals but we will turn it into a religious issue. so you have a southern baptist church coming from pro-choice to pro-life. the southern baptist church, and other mainstream protestant denominations going from being pro-choice, or quite on the issue to pro-life. that's one step. but it moves forward now to where it becomes the most important issue. these political issues become the most important political issues. so if you talk to people of faith, like russell moore, and others, they would tell you pete wayne, they would tell you the so-called deal with the devil was the deal evangelical leaders made some time ago when

they decided to replace spiritual goals with secular goals. we are not going to fight the spiritual battles and try to win people. that's not going to be our primary focus for a lot of these evangelical leaders we hear with a national audience. their primary focus is going to be on the secular, whether that's gaining and keeping political power or telling adherents how to become rich, the so-called prosperity gospel , which, again, both of those are completely opposite of what jesus preached about over three years. >> and i will say the only place, to put a fine point on it here -- i don't think the christian right thought that ronald reagan was a spiritual vandal. i think they thought he was one of them. i think they thought george w. bush was genuinely born again. i think they thought that mitt romney took a spiritual life

spiritual -- seriously. even though the demands of faith and to some extent go to politics prior to donald trump, donald trump is the most gratuitous, extreme outgrowth of the thing you're talking about where they basically look at a guy and collectively that these are not stupid people in this movement. there are some stupid people everywhere, but there was a calculated thing for the christian right look to trump and knew full well that he was not one of them did not believe the same things they believed. did not go to church. was probably, privately, pro- choice. was someone who would done all kinds of things, someone heard about in this trial over the last seven or eight weeks, all kinds of things they would find morally depraved and unacceptable and simple and he made no real effort to try to even pretend to be one of them when he would answer these questions. and yet they said, we don't care because this is a winning ticket for us. with him under our thumb, we will be able to

get that supreme court majority we have so wanted. and as i said before, they got it. >> and we elected a president, not a saint. look the other way on a lot of stuff so they get what they want. people asked me where can i get more and today we have an answer. the impolitic podcast. watch today and tell us about it. >> i've had this podcast for a few years that i put into the deep freeze. i was like han solo, frozen and podcast amber for about a year and when i moved we decided to relaunch it under this new title. it's the same name as the column. it's not only been relaunched as of this morning, talking about the trump trial with andrew wiseman but it has expanded to twice a week rather than once a week. like new york, a town so nice they named it twice, this will happen every tuesday and friday morning. puck and odyssey together.

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sunday with a group of so- called double haters or voters unhappy with the prospect of choosing between joe biden and donald trump. none of the participants who live in north carolina and georgia about trump's conviction would affect their vote and none thought biden would win the election. in addition, they were also asked if the former president was treated fairly at his trial. >> i don't think he was treated fairly. i did not watch the trial but when you are before a judge or whatever, a jury, and they have to go by the law and by what the judge and jury say. so i feel like he was experiment i feel like he was treated fairly. i feel like he actually got away with saying a lot of disparaging things not only about the jurors, about the

judge, as well. i know he said things before about other people who are prosecuting him. and i'm just thinking if it would've been anyone else on trial and you are bad-mouthing the jurors or the judge, what would've been the repercussions of that? >> yeah. i think you benefited from his stature and did not abide by the gag order. most people what be nailed with fines and things like that but he's going to bite on that so i think he was absolutely treated fairly, if not better than most people during the trial. i do trust the legal system enough that if the prosecution and defense were able to pick jurors and they presented it so quickly and the jurors and the judge all agree to follow due process and found him guilty quickly, i have a hard time believing that there were that many jurors agreed upon that were all in on it. he's not guilty but we will find him guilty for?. >> the thought that donald trump was given a fair trial. none of those people said, in that focus group, that it was

going to impact their vote. that said, polling of undecideds in georgia and north carolina showed that actually quite a few did believe it would have an impact on their vote. let's bring in the host of majority rules in the undecideds and founder of all in together, lauren leader. i'm looking at the top line on the polling that you all took 78% believe the verdict was the right verdict. 21% thought it was the wrong verdict. and this is the difference in voting with the threat of prison hanging over donald trump . a very large difference, 12%. large difference, 50%, moderate difference, 23%. and that adds up to over 50%. over 50% of these so-called double haters said it could have an impact on their vote,

but overwhelmingly almost all of them believed donald trump got a fair trial. >> yeah. and that was what was so fascinating, especially listening to the conversation. first of all, there was so nuanced and thoughtful about the responses and i want to say this is so far the only swing state poll that's been done since the verdict and it's going to matter a lot because the swing states will decide the election and undecided voters will be a huge factor in the decisions of the election. what struck me was that incredible contrast between this competence in the legal system the jury was fair and the trial was fair and trump was treated fairly said they did not buy any of the trump claims the whole thing was rigged and unfair to him. they did not buy that at all. and yet they also felt it was politically motivated. the trial was brought this year because of the election. that it wasn't an important enough issue to have been brought. a number of them talked about the documents case in florida,

the classified documents as being more important and did not understand why this was brought this year. i will also say they did not understand the charges but they could not articulate what it was they he was convicted of. that's why fascinating about this dynamic and we see this in national polls, as well. americans are saying it doesn't matter are there have been some polls saying it doesn't matter. that he was treated fairly. the verdict was fair and yet somehow he still going to win and it doesn't matter that he is a felon, and i think that's going to be a hard circle for the biden campaign to square over the next few months. we have lots more to get to this hour. morning joe: weekend continues after a short break. salonpas, it's good medicine. hi, i'm eileen. i live in vancouver, washington and i write mystery novels. as i was writing, i found that i just wasn't sharp

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as president biden and administration officials push for cease-fire deal between israel and hamas, the families of the hostages remain focused on their missing loved ones earlier this week national security advisor jake sullivan met with some of the families of americans being held by hamas. our next two guests participated in that discussion. rachel gold word and jon polin joining us now. there is really american son was abducted by hamas while attending the supernova music festival. he celebrated his 23rd birthday just days before the concert. good morning to you both. it's nice to have you with us. rachel, i will start with you and that meeting with jake sullivan, the national security advisor. i know you participated of resume. did you hear anything in that meeting that encouraged you? did you hear anything that made you think the effort to bring your son and the rest of the hostages home is making progress? >> well, we definitely felt hope and optimism because that was what jake sullivan was relaying to us and there was the feeling that there is this full-court

press of enough is enough. we want to get these people home, all 124. and of course the american eight is something that hangs on everyone in the administration and the entire american government and he felt confident that the right people were going back to the region. we know that brett mcgurk and director bill burns were, shortly after the conversation, already on their way back to the region, which was hopeful for all of us. at the end of the day though, we know that whether you had these extremely seasoned negotiators, diplomats, experts, aides, doing all that they are doing, the final outcome is going to come from two men only deciding and that, i think, is what is so painfully torturous about

this. >> jon, today marks eight months since october 7 since hersh was abducted. when you sit in that meeting with jake sullivan and speak as you have been for eight months to officials inside the u.s. government, what did they say today about the best hope to get the hostages? is it a deal? is it a rescue mission? what sounds most promising to you and to the people trying to pull this off? >> yeah. the good news is the focus in that is everybody believes the best possible way to do this is through a deal. the bad news is we been hearing that for most of the last eight months, and as you know, we are not there yet. i think what president biden did last friday night was brave and courageous and we applaud him. he took a negotiation that was stuck in neutral, maybe even sometimes in rivers and in one fell swoop it's like you pushed into third gear. now we need to keep the

momentum going. and as rachel said, there are all the right people in the region. we need to push on the leaders of israel and the leaders of hamas, and have them buy in to what the mediators are pushing. it's a deal that has to get done because the israeli people are suffering. our hostages are suffering. innocent gazan civilians are suffering and eight months is eight months too many picks payment rachel, you've been through many of these meetings now with american officials and you've been through a lot of ups and downs , how are you and jon managing to temper your own emotions and exhaustion, your sleep, your food when faced now with another prospect that may be there is reason to be a little bit more optimistic given this latest push? >> well, every morning we get up and we look at each other and say, hope is mandatory and we try our very best to struggle through another day of

elegant, intense torment. and it is absolutely not easy. we are broken and suffering, and yet we have no choice. there is no choice but to keep it running . and were not just running, we are sprinting. this is what all the hostage families are doing. we just have no choice but to keep full speed ahead trying every thing we can possibly do. and we are praying that the leaders of both sides, for their own personal interests -- the not going to come together because they both suddenly have an epiphany moment and feel they should be on the same page, but that's part of compromise. you give up something that you hold dear for something you hold more deer. so whatever interests are on

the israeli side or the hamas side need to just lean forward and with the help of these expert negotiators and seasoned diplomats who are in there trying to grease the wheels, we are praying that we get a result. everyone in this region, i can't even call it suffering, it's the next step above suffering, and we need for the leaders to put an end to it. >> jon, one of those leaders, prime minister benjamin netanyahu has said he will come to washington and address congress on july 24. what do you make of that invitation and what do you hope to hear from him that day? >> july 24, to us, feels like an eternity away. we are obviously hoping that but july 24 all the hostages are back home. the region is on a path forward

, and i would be thrilled if prime minister netanyahu can show up and give a variation of a victory speech. i want nothing more than that. and by the way, i'm also okay with the other side giving his people a victory speech if that's what it takes to get this done. let's get it done. a lot can happen between now and july 24 and we are hopeful. next, new documentary sheds light on one couple's emotional and enduring mission to combat als. with us.

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if you want to defeat als, you need everyone working together. >> they took this extraordinary challenge and said, we will go out and make things happen. >> if are able to untangle als, we may be able to help others. >> i am and all of brian wallach. he wants to get back and take care of the next person that gets diagnosed . >> i never experienced a movement like this. it's changing history in front of our eyes. >> brian's als has accelerated a lot. we feel like we are running out of time. >> hey, organa do this. as always beneway. >> this could actually work.

>> i don't think there's any test of the human spirit more telling than someone saying you don't have a long time to live and responding in this way. >> i am als! i am als! >> that is a look at the powerful new documentary, for love and life: no ordinary campaign picked up from paula brian wallach, diagnosed with als in 2017 and his wife, sandra abrevaya, two former obama administration officials who have used their expertise and knowledge of washington to secure funding for als research and improve to prove other families living with the disease that there is hope. sandra joins us now and is the cofounder of i am als, also with it is the director and producer of for love and life: no ordinary campaign, christopher burke. great to see you both. >> thank you for having us . >> can we start with some background? i gather you know each other? >> just a little bit.

>> i'm trying not to cry right now, honestly, because i've known you so long. and i'm so proud to know you and brian. and what you've done is remarkable. i mean, you've really brought this to life for people who weren't tracking with this disease was, he did not know they had a voice or power to have a voice. and before i get more emotional, you both had done so much before brian was diagnosed as public servants contributing to electing barack obama, but this is your greatest legacy, which is remarkable. you just want to ask for people watching out there who think maybe they have als or another disease or maybe they feel their voice isn't heard and they can't make a difference, what would you tell them about what they should do? so many people feel powerless and you have shown that you are empowered and you can be powerful. >> absolutely. and with these neurodegenerative diseases, whether it's als or parkinson's or ms, these diseases affect the way you speak or move so

these are difficult diseases to live a public life with. oftentimes, that you have an illness. so people, they turn inward. that is the instinct. that is what brian and i are b trying to encourage people to fight against because when they do come forward, their voices are so powerful and having been in government and advocacy for so long prior to our diagnosis, i mean, our whole job for so e many years was to elevate people who were affected by policy. when that happened to us, we knew that even if we were just one voice, even if you are just one voice, being public, if you have one of these illnesses, ve can have such an impact.