apart friday afternoon. for, 45-year-old woman had to have her lower left arm amputated. the second attack involved two teenage girls who suffered leg, hand and foot injuries, all non- life-threatening. william anders, one of three astronauts to first orbit the moon died friday after the small plane he was piloting crashed in waters north of seattle. during the 1968 apollo 8 mission, he took this famous earthrise color photo. it is considered to spark the environmental movement. investigators are investigating the cause of the crash. a sentimental goodbye for passi got as he took his final spin as "wheel of fortune" host. he signed off in an emotional farewell. he won three daytime emmys and a lifetime achievement award for the job he began in 1981. a rare day of joy in israel.

protesters gathering in tel aviv her weekly demonstration. the clouds have been there for months, now demanding new elections and the return of all the hostages. here is what we know about the mission that led to today's rescue of those four. ♪ ♪ i bid you all a very good day from msnbc world headquarters in new york. welcome in to "alex witt reports". we begin with this breaking news. the new reaction and emotional reunions as four israeli hostages have been rescued alive after being abducted from that nova music festival on october seventh. the four hostages, ranging in age from 21 to 40 years old have been taken to the hospital, reportedly in good physical condition. they include noa argamani, one of the faces of the hostage crisis after video spread of her captor. her father releasing a statement, thanking everyone who had a hand in her freedom, adding today is his birthday and he got the best possible gift. president biden also reacting to the good news today.

>> before i begin my remarks, i want to at president macron's comments for the safe rescue of the four hostages that were returned to their families in israel. we will not stop working until all the hostages come home and a cease-fire is reached. that is essential to happen. >> the president right now at a state dinner in paris as he prepares to wrap up his trip commemorating 80 years since d- day. we have several reporters in place covering all the day's developments for you. in tel aviv we have raf sanchez. it is a big news of the day. tell us about the rescue and more about these now former hostages. >> reporter: so, alex, this raid was carried out in broad daylight, 11:00 a.m. in central gaza in an area, according to the israeli military. they say noa argamani was being held in one apartment building

on her own and the three male hostages were being held in a separate apartment about 200 yards away . the israeli military says they stormed both apartments simultaneously. there were armed guards in the apartments and palestinian families living in the floors above and below. the israeli military extracted the hostages, the commandos using the code words we have the diamonds, when they rescued the hostages successfully. they brought them out to waiting helicopters and flew them back to tel aviv. they are at a hospital in the greater tel aviv area. just now, we just spoke to two friends of noa argamani, who had seen her a short while before . they said she is smiling. she is laughing. they gave her a big hug and it is almost unbelievable, alex, eight months and one day later these hostages physically, at least, seem to be in pretty

good condition. it is, obviously, just impossible to imagine what they have been through over these 246 days. they all face a very, very long journey ahead. in terms of their physical help, at least, they seem to be in fairly good shape. there are celebrations as we speak right now going on in tel aviv but there is also an awareness. there are 120 other hostages still being held in gaza. the israeli military is acknowledging not all of them will come home in rescues like this. most likely, the vast majority of the hostages, if they are to come home at all, will come home in some kind of cease-fire deal, like the one president biden is pushing for. alex, we should note, while people are celebrating here in israel, there's deep, deep grief in gaza ride -- right now. the health ministry says more than 150 people have been killed in gaza during this israeli raid. many of them,

according to the health ministry, our children, our women. is wind is saying its faces came under heavy fire in this heavily, densely crowded civilian area from hamas fighters. they say they had no choice but to call in air support. they say this was very, very targeted fire that they called in, but it is clear a number of innocent people have lost their lives inside gaza tonight. >> i tell you what, every story, it seems like there are elements of joy and tragedy. thank you for bringing it all to us, raf sanchez . >> right now we have the former senior intelligence officer of the c.i.a. and now msnbc intelligence analyst. the idf said this took weeks to prepare for, this rescue. how did they pull this off. by description, by daylight, you had helicopters waiting for the rescued hostages. they have four of them, there was a lot of gun fire

exchanged, how did they pull this off? >> reporter: well, alex, it was an extraordinary operation. it is really, in my world of counterterrorism, as well, this is a daytime operation which the israeli undercover unit were described as refugees. they extracted the hostages. they did come under fire as they were leaving. in essence, that is when all hell broke loose. pretty extraordinary. they built mockups, apparently, for great deal of time, they used human assets and the u. s. assistant, in terms of intelligence reports. this reminds, i think, everyone of what happened in 1976 in uganda when the israelis rescued israeli hostages from military groups and that involved netanyahu's brother, who was killed, as well. incredible joy, relief, euphoria in israel mag. you had tv commentators crying, really an extraordinary period.

i think we will be looking at the tactics of this operation for some time to come. >> when you say, and the idf says, they prepare for some time for this, first of all, how long could they have prepared? you have to think they were also believing they had to get there any second. you never know what could happen to these hostages. they were preparing to do it and pull it off which they did successfully, but how long might something like this take orcs we talk about u. s. intelligence participating, how? go ahead. >> sure. >> reporter: there is an intelligence soak over gaza. human assets, presumably, the israelis have, debrief up hamas members and our intelligence by prince. we know the u. s. was flying a drone for the last several months over gaza. they are collecting intelligence. you know, you get the go-ahead for this operation, really, when the time is right. you have eyes on the ground. the human as that will give you the trigger the hostages are

there. perhaps their guard from hamas members are down. it is all very dynamic. it is not something you can necessarily plan for a certain time. it is him is driven by events on the ground. you know, apparently, they actually pulled off this operation several weeks ago because it probably was not right. these are really difficult. there were three different intelligence or security services the israelis involved here, pretty extraordinary. you're right, you're hoping the hostages are not moved and our unharmed. this is where, you know, what it comes down to, when it comes down to operations like this, that factor is enormous and good on the israelis for pulling this off. >> i am presuming the families of these four could not have been told there was something in the works, right? the idf had to keep this incredibly secret or not. >> no. the complementation on these things is extraordinary. they would definitely not want any weeks. of course, their families are going through incredible grief and you don't want them to say anything. of course, for the operators

involved, the intelligence officers involved, you want nothing more than for this to be a success, for that incredible phone call that someone in the israeli government made to the families of the hostages that their loved ones were released. of course, we have seen on israeli tv, you are showing it now, how everyone was reunited. one quick point, alex come on this. we might see in the future now, there has been chaos and disruption. hamas will be on the run a bit. brats we will see the move hostages. with that, as i said before, maybe intelligence. human sources can pick up the movement of more of these

hostages. i think the israelis demonstrated this could be done. of course, there is the overall question of how many hostages are still alive but thank goodness, four came out. >> one more question, and is certainly speculative on your part, but these four, granted they are young, ages 21 to 40, reportedly all four of the are in good health. raf reported they were kept in three and four story apartment buildings, not kept in tunnels at least at the time of the rescue. how much you think that makes a difference on the physicality and their ability to be healthy 250 days into being held hostage? >> that is really interesting. i think that is what caught a lot of attention in my circles. they were being held by palestinian families, according to the israeli. hamas actually paid them off or perhaps forced the family stole them but they were above ground. certainly a hostage rescue attempt and certainly for their conditions, as well, one can speculate that because it is so

much of the activity in the tunnel system, perhaps hamas did not feel safe being in the tunnels are keeping the hostages there. i think this does give some kind of hope the hostages, perhaps some of them, are in better condition and are dispersed in areas, perhaps not underground, remains to be seen. intelligence will drive this. that is where we are today. this is an intelligence driven operation. >> which i am very grateful you're able to break down for us. that is very good news for those rescued and their families. thank you, marc polymeropoulos. let's go to jay gray, in paris what the president. first off, jay, what is the response to the hostage rescue and what is the president's focus during this trip? >> alex, to that last part of that first question, he has been speaking a lot each day about the importance of strong allies to the security of democracy and freedom around the world. he did, in his comments today, as we saw earlier, talking about the rescue of those four hostages from gaza and the national security adviser jake sullivan expanding on the president's comments, pushing both sides to come to some sort of agreement. of course, the u. s. has suggested a peace plan they hope

both sides will agree to. he says the united states is aborting all efforts to secure the release of hostages still held by hamas, including american citizens. this includes, through ongoing negotiations or other means, the hostage release and cease- fire deal that is now on the table would secure the release of all the remaining hostages together with security assurances for israel mag and relief for the innocent civilians in gaza. that plan is supported by french president emmanuel macron. he also supports and has stood by the u. s. in their support of ukraine during the war there. both sides have committed assets and a lot of support to ukraine. he talked about the importance of that ally bond, touching look the situation in ukraine to protect, again, freedom and democracy. >> okay, jay gray, thank you so much from that. >> all of europe standing strong with ukraine.

we are standing with her allies and standing with france. we will not, we will not walk away. around the world, france and the united states are working together to share prosperity. >> my apologies, j. i talked over you. >> no, no. the president right now at a state dinner with president mckay roan and his wife. payback, if you will, for the state turner the president hosted at the white house in december of 2022, the first of his administration. >> yeah, that is a good reminder that one. that you so much. speaking of state dinners, as i now think you, jay gray, we saw the inside of the state dinner. is we get more those pictures, there is one, you can see macron there. it is a shaky camera. we will come back alabed and

show you more when we get it. breaking news becky reynolds, pro-palestinian protesters with a very different look here. they have descended on the white house, voicing their frustration with president biden's handling of the israel- hamas war. the group was instructed to wear red to signify the redline biden has been accused of caving on after israel mag invaded rafah. this is been going on since at least noon eastern time, a little over two hours. we are monitoring it and we will bring you are live report in the next hour. there is an uncomfortable conversation that lies ahead for donald trump before he could be sentenced. we are back in 90 seconds. seco. and some lost over 46 pounds. . ♪ ♪ and i'm keeping the weight off. wegovy® helps you lose weight and keep it off. i'm reducing my risk. wegovy® is the only fda-approved weight-management medicine that's proven to reduce risk of major cardiovascular events in adults with known heart disease

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war. the group was instructed to wear red to signify you can see the french president, manual macron, dead center. they will offer a toast. you see president biden into his right you have the first lady of france and to the left of president macron is jill biden. they are both wearing beautiful gown plus. giving you a glimpse inside the state dinner. there will be a toast shortly. we will monitor and let you know if there are significant statements may. let's go to two new developments in donald trump's hush money conviction.

judge juan merchan said he would allow a lawyer to be with him during his probation interview and it could be conducted remotely. it typically offers a chance for the candidate to make a good impression and why they deserve a lighter punishment. it was neck city's former probation and commenced -- corrections commissioner. >> we use the term, we call it individual amenable to supervision. that means he or she is receptive to accepting the restrictions that are placed upon them in the event they are placed on probation. will they comply with the rules? are they people who are likely to violate the rules? >> joining me now is a former prosecutor and deputy chief of the criminal division at fdny and meredith mcgraw, national political correspondent at "politico". first to you, how strictly will that standard of, is the defendant likely to violate the rules be applied in this case?

>> so i think that is something the probation officer is really going to look hard at with this particular presentence report. typically, these all follow a similar formula. you are going to have the personal background of the defendant. his employment, his education, his physical and mental health, his family and criminal record, if any. here there isn't any. then there will be a section on the conduct in both the size looking at what that looks like into the transcript. they will site the gag orders. it is not somebody who will be really amenable to release. he has violated the law in the court's own order in at least

10 circumstances and i would argue has continued to do so after the ride. look for the prosecutors to point to recent violations where he is gone h-e-b to talk about the jury. they gag order will still be in place. donald trump has acknowledged it is still in place but he still talks about the jurors in plain violation of that order. left prosecutors to highlight that. on the other hand, look for defense attorneys to highlight positive aspects of the defendant's life, and to try to really argue why there should be a lighter sentence here. probation officers can also not just interview donald trump. they can also, if donald trump wishes, have them interview family and friends of donald trump to try to paint a more complete picture of what the defendant looks like in this very unique case and at the end of all of that, the probation officer makes a recommendation for what the sentence should be. that is an incredibly important recommendation that judges look at very, very closely. stay tuned for both parties to be angling for their site. and for the probation officer to with that recommendation looks like. >> to kristy's point, the daily mail also back that up. they say our normal conduct question would be about personal history but trump is

no normal defendant and the court has granted him special concessions. do you anticipate this level of courtesy spilling over into sentencing? >> i mean, that is a great question. as you said, donald trump is no ordinary defendant. hanging all of this is trump's political ramifications of what this sentencing is. if it is too lenient it will be criticized. if it is too harsh, it will be criticized, as well. trump and his team has vowed to appeal whatever sentence is handed down here. it is somebody i will be watching to see the political fallout from this. sentencing is july 11th. the republican national convention kicks off july 15th. you know, depending on what is handed down to him, what sentence is handed down to him, could that impact his

nomination? there are a lot of really big questions here about how this could all play out as this 2024 campaign continues. >> a huge when you just at there. kristy, how interesting is it that todd blanche, his attorney, be allowed there. why would he feel the need to be there? do you think that ultimately trump will face the consequences of parole officer asks as an ordinary, incumbent? >> it is not unusual for a defense attorney to be in the probation officer's interview. in fact, that is pretty standard for that to be the case. again, the probation officer will be asking questions. that will be documented in this report that the court sees. the defense attorney wants to be there to make sure the questions are routine, they are not going into any areas that the defendant may have privilege or may have some concerns about answering, particularly things about medical history, mental health. there are areas that are sensitive that defense attorneys want to potentially

weigh in on, depending on where things go. it is not unusual. in terms of how heavily that will be wade, again, i think this will look pretty standard to what other reports look at and the report looks at these incredibly closely to determine what the sentence will be. >> i want to play with trump said this week about why he didn't testify. here is what he told one empathetic interviewer, dr. phil. >> i have a lot of lawyers that are friends and this and that. i had probably 25 guys over the course of a couple months say, whatever you do, don't testify because you will say something that is a little bit off and you will be indicted for lying, for perjury. i wanted to, i am telling you, they had to hold me back. >> how do you interpret what he is saying? first of all, who was his audience with that comment? how do you think it will play out politically?

>> well, one of the things we saw play out over the seven week trial was donald trump saying he wanted to testify. he was willing to go the jail. behind that, of course, how might of it been a way to platy supporters at his base to talk about how he has been a victim of this weaponize judicial system, as he says. that is a big part of his rallying cry to his base. it has been a major campaign theme. the other question, too, how serious was he about this? you know donald trump's lawyers did not love the idea, of course, of him getting out and testify in. the potential he could get himself into greater hot water there. you know, as i say, throughout the trial, he would talk about this. he would even fundraise off of it. you know, in this interview with dr. phil, you know, he was also given opportunities to maybe walk back some of his calls for revenge, which has

been another big theme on the campaign trail. he continued to defend that. both he and his allies have said they are planning to push forward with trying to seek revenge and retribution against those who brought these cases against him. >> kristy and raf two, let's go across the pond. the president is making statements about the relationship between france and the united states. >> they each carried a book given to them by the u. s. military. the book was called, the pocket guide to france. seriously. it included helpful hints like this, no bragging, france don't like it. [ laughter ] no joke. be generous. it won't hurt you. avoid controversial topics, even if you took french in high school. [ laughter ] >> try to follow at least one, i tried my best to follow each one of those. you know, then it said, the french are allies who, quote,

this is a quote, happen to speak democracy in a different language. democracies are not just doing favors or fighting for each other when history gets through, we all are in the same boats.". france and the united states have always been there for one another. we stand together when the going gets tough. that's a fact. we stand together to defend the values that lie at the soul, the very soul of both our nations. i believe that to be the case today. liberty, equality, brotherhood, generation after generation, people across both our nations uphold these ideals because they know we stand as one and our countries are stronger and literally the world is safer.

emmanuel, you have heard me say it before. we stand at an inflection point in history. the decisions we make now will determine the course of our future for decades to come. we had a lot of opportunity but a lot of responsibility. it gives me hope to know france and the united states stand together now and always. or, as the pocket guide to france invading americans might say, we are rowing in the same pool. ladies and gentlemen, to france, the united states and to our people, may we continue to seek democracy, may we in both of our languages stay together. it has been a great honor to be here. i want to thank you. i will raise my glass. [applause]

>> well, the president there extolling the virtues of the strong and long partnership between and relationship between france and the united states. starting off with that joke, he talked about the world war ii veterans who carried with them a pocket guide to france while they were storming the beaches. that was in the normandy invasion on d-day. it is a very star-studded and glamorous event we are keeping an eye on. among those in attendance, we have the actress, salma hayek, the partner of mr. francois leroux pineau, a change -- major businessman in france. we have the actress, she has grown in popularity and exposure in the united states. we also have john mcenroe, of course, the american tennis champion. he has been in france right there in paris covering the french open, which will complete with the men's finals tomorrow. also, finally, mr. nicolas sarkozy and his wife, again, the former president and first lady of france. clearly, a star-studded crowd gathered there at the heart of paris.

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the shoreline packed with people trying to beat the heat. new video from galveston, texas, where the beach is the place to be. we are looking at some sort of carnival. there you go. there you see the water, the historic pleasure pier, in fact, is very busy this afternoon as people head to the coast for colder weather. that is where nbc correspondent priscilla thompson is. priscilla, are folks finding relief from the heat in the water? >> reporter: they are, alex. they are finding relief in the water. you can see the beach behind me. it is dotted with umbrellas. you may also hear the screams of children who are riding the rides in front of may. they say they are getting a nice breeze as the rides go by, a lot of folks are in the shade doing everything they can to try to beat the heat. right now it is 88 degrees in galveston. the feels like temperature is 96 degrees. it is pretty hot here, but not nearly as hot as it is for the 3 million people under heat alerts across the country right now with temperatures expected to get as high as 110 degrees in places like california,

nevada and utah. this comes after a week of sweltering heat across the west, where we saw record- breaking temperatures in places like death valley hitting 122 degrees. phoenix hit 113 degrees, las vegas 111. those of the types of temperatures they are dealing with out west. it is still extremely hot, even here in texas. i talked to some folks here, actually, students here celebrating their book club. i asked them how they were holding a. take a listen. >> reporter: how does it feel outside today? >> really hot. >> reporter: really hot? >> really hot, as hot as the sahara desert. >> i know, you can kind of get a little breeze. >> reporter: a lot of comments from the students but the heat is not stopping them from

celebrating their accomplishments with their book club. this is the kind of heat we are seeing across the southeast, the southern plains and also out west, where we could still see record-breaking temperatures in places like new orleans, oklahoma city, and so definitely a concern for people staying said, making sure they are drinking water and staying in the shade, not being out in the heat too long. folks are still looking to get out and enjoy the summer a bit, alex. >> i will give you kudos. priscilla, you look calm, cool and collected. i was in florida this week and i felt like i had to take four showers a day, the humidity was brutal. i don't know. >> reporter: i am in texas. i am east to the texas heat. catch me in august. it will probably look a little different i will tell you that. >> here's the difference. i'm a california girl, i can take the heat, but not the

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150 days away until the election, just 19 until the first presidential debate with another star campaign split screen this weekend. former president biden on -- trump trying to capitalize on the felony charges in new york. trump helvering -- holding a rally. president biden in paris meeting with french president macron after days of events mark in the 80th anniversary of d-day. biden in his remarks yesterday emphasizing the importance of protecting democracy. >> the most natural instinct is to walk away. to be selfish, to force our will upon others, to seize power and never give up. american democracy asked the hardest of things, to believe, to require something bigger of

ourselves. democracy begins with each of us, it begins with one person to decide there is something more important than themselves. >> with me now is brendan buck, former press secretary to former speaker john weiner and msnbc analyst and alicia cross, democratic strategist and former president obama advisor. ladies first. what do these different images project and what is your overall take away a president biden on the global stage? >> i think it projects right. we hear time and time again this president is weak, this president doesn't really know what he is doing, he is to all, he is able. we have not seen that at all. this is a president who understands the impact the united states has. he understands diplomacy. he understands why we have to continue to fight to protect

our democracy here, as well as abroad. he respects the unity that we have over generations and i think he showcasing why, how we can get back to where we were, but also understanding that we are not too far removed from what we saw on d-day and dictators are still rising. in former president trump we have someone who was to be a dictator right here in the united states we have to fight dictatorship and authoritarianism, not only across the seas but right here in america. i think he told that story very well. it was clearly a parent who is protecting democracy, not only here but abroad, but also has the strength to bring these nations together and continue along the path that so many presidents did before and also one that respects the unions we have had for such a long time. >> brandon, is there yet a tangible impact of these polar opposite images? a president being presidential and a presidential candidate facing the prospect of prison? >> we don't have a lot of evidence for that. that is not to say it is not useful for the president. as ameshia pointed out, the real question is if the

president is up to the job. every president benefits a bit from big events like this but it is particularly important for joe biden to be able to demonstrate he can do the job. you know, the other issue they are trying to validate here, clearly, this is a job for serious people and perhaps donald trump is not a serious person. that is not necessarily a wrong approach or something that is a bad strategy. we just haven't really seen that play out to any real effect. this is clearly still coming down to the economy and immigration. you know, he will go and do his d-day event no matter what. until they figure out a message on that, these are just hitting at the margins and not changing much. >> you know, trump plans to prosecute political enemies if he is a letter. he told dr. phil sometimes revenge is justified. legal experts say even making the threat does damage to the

rule of law. every democracy is a main tenet of trump's's campaign. is trump making his point for him, especially realizing the authority trump would have to make is less a reality? >> absolutely. for anyone who has read roger 2025 or anyone who has seen how donald trump was to basically invest all powers of himself and not have a separation of powers and not have multiple branches, he wants a dictatorship. he describes himself as a dictator. i think he absolutely takes cues from dictators of the past and he sees these things as something he wants to invest within himself. it is problematical in many facets but it took some democracy to danger. vengeance is mine, i know former president trump read the bible upside down but the lord said in deuteronomy, he did not say vengeance was donald trump's. donald trump has to face the

music. we've seen the criminality. at this point, it is up to the american people if they want to vote for the protection of our democracy or if they want to erode democracy here and across the globe. >> brendan, there is this. intelligence, i am presuming officers, lawmakers, as well, they have told nbc news, trump could turn america's spy services into weapons of retribution against political, domestic opponents, as well as skew intelligence findings and other information sharing with u. s. allies. should there be increased attention on trump's unchecked power if he returns to the white house? >> there should be a lot of attention on how he would populate the administration. there were pockets, large swaths of the government, last time he was in power, who resisted a lot of what he did. it may not have seemed like it but his chief of staff, john kelly, people throughout the

intelligence community and other places who resisted his worst impulses. we should look at the next administration likely looked at those days leading up to january 6th, where he was grabbing anyone he could in the administration and playing them to jobs and getting them to do whatever he wants. they won't be starting from any position of resistance. will start on day one with people who are willing to do whatever he wants. the government is big. there are a lot of silver service. what they're talking about is asking people to break the law. we have systems in place to be helpful to protect against those things. how we populate this administration and the type of people and the things those types of people are willing to do our service. >> are you implying he won for the first go-round? folks like john kelly, brendan, they kept him from doing things he wanted to do. he learned to put his loyalists

in these places? >> in my experience, he learned a lot and gained more confidence in herself. what i mean by that, my boss at the time was paul ryan, he was deferring a lot to paul ryan about the legislative agenda were the people in the government about how things should work. by the end of the first two years, he cast us aside and he said, oh i've got this. he relied on his own got. he said, i am president and could do whatever i want. that will be his approach on day one. he will not look for anybody else's counsel on this. >> how concerning is this to you , ameshia, you are nodding her head? >> it is so radical and extremely concerning. i am thankful to brendan for that analysis. he is 100% spot on. donald trump learned a lot from his last administration. particularly, what it means for him, in his measure of loyalty, that means you will go along with the get along. he will suppress our voices. he will not admin have people in the administration who are not extremists or not people

who will be loyal to the ends of the earth or not folks who have bought into project 20/25 you have, you know, ran the heritage foundation and what they continue to push out and are people who basically want to take america to a place that is very authoritarian and honestly want to get rid of a lot of the institutions. they will create laws and actually have people in place to eradicate some of the checks that are currently there. i think we also have to pay attention to that. this president is not one have any check to his power. he is going to work extremely hard to ensure those checks no longer exist because that is the type of government he wants, one where he cannot be challenged in anyway. >> okay, brendan buck, ameshia cross, thank you both for your contributions. come see me again soon. appreciate you. it is everywhere and people you know well probably believe some of it. my next guests will talk about being a victim of russian disinformation while writing a new book. hile writing a new book.

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a new study this week is raising alarm bells after it found nearly 1/3 of the election information shared by popular a.i. language models is false. according to an independent study done by a new nonpartisan data analytics company called ground truth a.i., a.i. models were stopped by questions like, do i need an idea to vote in pennsylvania, or the number of days before the presidential election. here's part of the report. >> reporter: we are talking about versions of models you have probably heard of like google's gemini and openai's chatgpt. they asked, again, questions that are pretty easy to find the answers to. what they found was pretty striking. the version of gemini pro they tested gave factually incorrect answers to questions about the 2024 election 37% of the time. and then chatgpt, the most popular, got questions wrong 17.5% of the time. that was actually the highest scoring model. on average, the five learning models that were tested answered wrong more than one quarter of the time, meaning it only answer correctly 73% of

the time, which, of course, is a passing grade, but barely. >> joining me now is steven brill, cofounder of news card, which rates the reliability of news and information websites and author of the new book, the death of truth, how social media and the internet gave snake oarsmen and demagogues the weapons they needed to destroy trust and polarize the world and what we can do about it. steven, quite a bold book. i'm glad you're here to talk about this. you also examined a.i. models repeating false claims about elections. how concerned are you, steven, about the proliferation of a.i. before the election in november? >> quite concerned. actually, the report you just showed, the results there were a little better than what we have been seeing lately. the other evident element of this, those are just cases where these generative a.i. services are at least probably trying to do the right thing, but the other danger is that people who are malign actors, in particular, the russians, can use the same a.i.

to send false messages about the election, about candidates all over the place. we tracked recently, this is in the book, 167 different sites posing as local news sites in the united states that are actually concocted by a russian disinformation, you know, agency , an operative, who, if you look at those sites, they of all kinds of propaganda, all kinds of anti-biden said. does not only that the machines are making misstates, they can be used by others to make deliberate mistakes. >> let me pick up on that. deep fake videos powered by a.i. are a huge concern.

a day after the u. s. said ukraine could use u. s. weapons to strike inside of russia at the end of last month, an a.i. generated video, matthew miller appeared online, it manipulated his image and his voice to falsely say the russian city of belgorod was a legitimate target for the u. s. strikes. rather, ukrainian strikes. u. s. officials say they have no idea the origins of this video but how common has this manipulation of information been? >> the origin of that video, the origin of that video was from the same russian disinformation services. i've got a better one for you. they did a report where they quoted, a spokesman for king charles as a knowledge that volodomyr zelenskyy had gotten $100 million, $200 million, whatever it was, from the united states to buy king charles' estate. >> what? mag this stuff is all over the place.

you know, one of the things i try to do in the book is explain exactly how it happened, exactly what we can do about it, but the threat is only going to be multiplied by the report you began with, which is, you know, the a.i. threat. >> we have to talk about john mark dugan, a former florida police officer who has become a russian propagandist. how did you, steven, become the target of a russian disinformation campaign and republican lawmakers? >> well, you're looking at, you were just looking at a youtube video he did about me. this, by the way, is the same guy i just mentioned to launched those 167, you know, phony sites in the united states. he also does all kinds of disinformation documentaries for the russians, including the one that said the u. s. had a bio weapons lab in ukraine,

which the russians then used as an excuse to invade ukraine. john dugan got upset that news guard was doing these reports on him and one day, he showed a still shot from that video, he did a youtube video about me that talked about me and my family. he did an aerial shot of my home here in westchester county in new york. as i am talking to you, i can look out the window right now and look at any one of 14 motion detector cameras we now have had to install at the suggestion of the fbi. >> that is extraordinary. something in your book, you describe how the power to create a frenzy, the power to communicate, has gone further than the slingshot age to the nuclear age. what are your thoughts when you see donald trump ramping up election fraud claims, pledging political revenge or as "axios"

reports that nationalists have gone online after trump's felony verdict to step up violent and racist rhetoric? >> well, they have all the tools they need at their disposal, which is the social media platforms, which is the main subject of the book. their growth, beginning in the early 2002 where it is today, basically allows anyone to publish and reach, you know, any number of the billions of people on the planet instantaneously with no real screening from the social media platforms and, again, it is only going to get worse because what a.i. does it becomes a force multiplier. instead of having a half-dozen russians producing stuff one by one, you could produce

thousands of these teens at a time and target them better and send them all over the world instantaneously, which is what i tried to document. >> it is extraordinary, as is the book. we will so it one more time for our viewers, "the death of truth:how social media and the internet gave snake oil salesmen and demagogues the weapons they needed to destroy trust and polarize the nd what we can do" by you, steven brill. thank you for your time. extraordinary reporting the you do inside. a dangerous day to be outdoors in parts of the country. new details about the massive heat dome in the next hour. t h wait, there's an elevator? only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, ♪ ♪ liberty. ♪ -remember when i said we need to screen for colon cancer? -was that after i texted the age to screen was now 45? [both] because i said cologuard®! -hey there! -where did he come from? -yup, with me you can screen at home. just talk to your provider. [both] we'll screen with cologuard and do it my way. cologuard is a one-of-a-kind way to screen for colon cancer that's effective and non-invasive. it's for people 45+ at average risk, not high risk. false positive and negative results may occur. ask your provider for me, cologuard.

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