all right, that's going to do it for us tonight. >> we start with breaking news. today, eight months into israel's war in gaza. into israel's war in gaza. in gaza the world witnessed two very different realities. regardless of how you view the last few months of death and destruction what transpired in the city today raises a series

of serious questions regarding a collective failure to end the war to bring all the hostages home and to stop the indiscriminate large-scale killing of palestinians. on saturday over 200 palestinians were killed in israeli airstrikes in a refugee camp in central gaza according to the government media office marking one of the bloodiest single days we have witnessed in eight months of war. videos of the aftermath of the assault show streets littered with debris and dead bodies, many missing limbs, women and children can be seen among the dead. some images to disturbing we can't show you on- bscreen. ad one witnessed described the scene by saying it was like a horror movie but this was a real massacre. while bombs raised down forces were in the same neighborhood wrestling for hostages held since october. all are said to be in good medical condition and have been reunited with their families,

their release and enjoyed to israelis. after the strike, the united nations special repertory command israel's mission noting although she was relieved that for hostages have been released it should not have come at the expense of at least 200 palestinians. she called the humanitarian camouflage at another level. today's raid marks the third israeli rescue attempt since october 7th, the country's military set a hostage was brought home in the immediate aftermath of the attack back in february 2 more men were rescued during a raid after israeli forces stormed an apartment in the area. those airstrikes also killed more than 60 palestinians including women and children according to local officials. we also cannot forget is really hostages killed by the israeli military back in december and that happened after soldiers mistakenly identified them as a threat and opened fire despite the fact they were holding and waving white flags.

so for the vast majority of hostages have been released through negotiations and temporary cease-fires, not killing of palestinians like what we witnessed today. the successful mission few and far between and may save -- israel's tactics should raise ethical and moral questions among the international community. how many innocent palestinians o killed is acceptable to rescue israeli hostages especially since more than hundred hostages are still believed to be held by hamas and their families also want to see their loved ones home safely. family members of the hostages have been adamant that the only way to return all of those to being held by hamas is through a cease-fire deal. a cease-fire deal remains elusive with some prominent and powerful is really cabinet ministers rejecting any such efforts. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu is using today's operation to try to ease mounting political pressure to

resign urging one of his many political rivals and member of the cabinet who is widely reported to be preparing to quit the government just this evening to now reconsider. today, may be another test was pushed for a cease-fire dear and now may find this newly emboldened prime minister is m inclined to yet again defy the t american president just to prolong this war to the detriment of the remaining hostages and palestinians. we will continue to follow the story and bring you any news as it develops. from silicon valley to academia to hollywood to the halls of congress, this week we learn to cancel culture is alive and well. some would argue surging in this country and its targets share one thing in common. we start in the tech world where this week an american software engineer sued meta-and instagram, a former employee is now alleging that meta- discriminated against him and

unlawfully fired him after he investigated user complaints the hcompany was censoring palestinian creators. while they claimed he was fired for violating data access policies his complaint says he was simply doing his job since his role in assessing the quality of instagram integrity filters as they related to gaza, israel and ukraine. the world of academic publishing was embroiled in controversy. they became the first legal scholar to be published in the prestigious columbia law review temporarily and that is because shortly afterwards his piece went live the columbia law review's entire website was shut down. according to the publication student editors they solicited the peace, edited it and followed all the n normal publishing protocols however they say they were then pressured by the journal's board of directors to halt publication of this academic article t which accuses israel committing genocide in gaza and upholding an apartheid regime. when the editors refused the

request and published monday morning the board made up a faculty and alumni from columbia university's law school shut it down. on the west coast in an industry that has a troubling history when it comes to blacklists a prominent hollywood marketing executive was raising eyebrows over a memo she sent to her staff. ashley margolis, founder of beverly hills firm the a-list told employees that they should pause on working with any celebrity or influencer or taste maker posting against israel. the a-list firm works with many top talent and public relation agencies and noted margolis was adamant about not working with anyone who had used the term genocide to describe israel's actions. margolis declined to comment. taking these stories show the high price that is levied on those who dare to speak out on behalf of palestinians in gaza no matter what field you are in or how accomplished you are in n

that field talking about the devastation in gaza could cost you. this stands in contrast with another story. the new york times both revealed the government has been waging a secret influence campaign targeting u.s. lawmakers since october. the multimillion dollar campaign used fake accounts and websites to spread pro-israel anti-arab and anti-muslim content. it b mainly targeted young progressives in the united states and canada. on one hand, we have palestinian voices for those who speak up for palestinians fired, canceled, demoted or even shut down and on the other we have the israeli government secretly spending millions to amplify their message to the world. this imbalance and power, this skewing of public discourse comes to mind when you consider this, benjamin netanyahu will be coming to washington to address a joint session of congress on july 24th invited

by a bipartisan group of congressional leaders including senator chuck schumer who in march to the floor of congress to a denounce the prime minister calling him an obstacle and alleging he has been placing his personal political survival head of his nation's interests.s now in what amounts to a political win, congress will be, welcoming him with open arms. this is the same man who addressed a joint session of congress back in 2015 for the sole purpose of subverting the nuclear deal that president obama and his then vice president joe biden were negotiating with iran at the time. this is a man who has a history of meddling in politics attempting to tip the scales in u.s. presidential elections towards republicans including donald trump back in 2016. now this is a man for whom the international criminal court is seeking an arrest warrant for war crimes and the international court of justice

possibly believes is committing a genocide in gaza. you may be wondering how it's possible that after all we have witnessed someone like prime minister benjamin netanyahu is getting the red carpet treatment in washington. in the debate in this country and on this issue is so skewed in favor of one side and voices of dissent are stifled we end up with an alleged war criminal to be welcomed with open arms by our elected officials to the heart of american political power. joining me now our lawyer and duct oriole candidate at harvard and the attorney for the former meta employee now suing the company i mentioned earlier. it's great to have both of you. i will start with you. this case you find yourself in and i believe there is an update i want to make sure i to have correct the student editors at columbia law review who have been battling with this now say your piece is up on the website.

the piece is now available titled. before we get into the censorship tell me very briefly what was so controversial about this piece you wrote? t why was it so controversial? >> thank you for having me. i cannot sit here with good conscious and talk about my peace and an attempt to censor my peace as if this was the focal point. here, especially today as you reported over 200 people in gaza where at the refugee tamp. there is a continuum between the material reality in gaza, the genocide in gaza and the silencing of palestinian voicesl specifically in the u.s.. these attempts to silence many other voices about palestinian or otherwise are a reflection of silencing dissent intended to o

manufacture dissent to the ongoing genocide in gaza. as for the article itself, the e board of directors have attached this disclaimer for a statement basically on the homepage of the columbia board view trying to undermine the peace erciting some internal obligations about the process. allegations refuted by the student editors and in fact the editors have announced a strike. they are striking to protest that the board's statement to protest their infringement of process and guarantee academic freedom. >> do you think what has happened here, what was done to your piece was meant to be a chilling effect for other academics like yourself who want to advance legal concepts surrounding the rights of palestinians and what is

happening in gaza? >> i asked the same question. what is so scary about the piece i've written? it's a scholarly peace, well substantiated with over 400 footnotes. the fact that the board could not cite substantive deficiencies tells me all i need to know. >> did they tell you any reason why -- this isn't the first time it happened, but in either case did anyone come to you and say here is what we find problematic with your scholarship? >> the board of directors shut down the entire website. they didn't contact me up until today. i've never officially heard from them. i think it speaks more to the character and sloppy manner which they handle the situation rather than the piece. they could not cite any substantial claims against the peace but resorted to some manufacturing, some controversy about the processes refuted by the student editors who we worked on this piece for over five months, with over six rounds of editing back and forth

and i think it is extremely thorough, extensive process. i'm grateful for the student editors for the work and professionalism they exhibited. >> want to bring you into this conversation and talk to you about what you and your client are going through and what you are alleging. can you walk me through the allegations that you and your client are making on behalf of t what you are charging with? >> my client was a very coveted software engineer with multiple patents. he was recruited by facebook and meta and while working at meta he noticed that account had some irregularities so he started looking into that account and was told to immediately spot despite it being part of his job processes. within a few weeks he was terminated simply because they said he might have known. what's absurd about this is

he's never met. they are very well known photojournalist with 17 million followers and the sole basis for their rationale was because my client is palestinian and they are also palestinian so they must know each other. apply that process for any other minority group it would be the equivalent of firing an african-american engineer for trying to fix an issue with beyonci's account simply because they are both african- american. that is literally there basis. there were excellent performance reviews for every year he was at meta and applauded for going above and beyond. they simply fired him because they said he is palestinian and shouldn't be looking at irregularities of another individual who is also palestinian. >> this isn't the first time meta has been accused of censoring palestinian voices. in december, human rights watch published a piece alleging

censorship of palestinian contact of instagram and facebook.gr what have you learned about the company during this process? do you believe there was based on what you've been able to learn or do you think they were singularly targeting your client? >> i think it was systemic. i recently learned that meta had an employer resource group fair where the muslim employee research group had watermelons as decorations. their booth was shut down even though the flyer for the event itself has watermelons because it is a summer event. that is the level of silencing that is going on for meta employees now. i've heard from current employees. they've launched investigations for employees simply having the palestinian flag in their bio despite other employees having the israeli or

ukrainian flags and their bio. this is targeted towards palestinians and these efforts and silencing them are having ripple effects for the palestinian employees who are still at meta and the purpose for the lawsuit is primarily twofold. we want the employees still at meta to know we support them and we want to send a clear message to meta. we are not afraid of you and you will not silence us. >> can you tell us how your client is doing given all the upheaval and turmoil he has had to endure as a result? >> for us it is courageous. i think he is one of many individuals, but he is an individual who decided to speak up despite any ramifications to him personally. he's doing okay right now but his primary concern is for his former colleagues still at meta

and have to do with these on a special basis. >> let me ask you about the double standards here. when you see what is happening to you, when you hear allegedly happening and you see the prime minister of israel being the red carpet treatment into the halls of american power how does that make you feel? how do you reconcile this disconnect your scene? >> i think it speaks more -- for example, in the case of the piece it is more on the board bo of directors then on my scholarship. i think it is embarrassing on their behalf. i think it is shameful. it exposes the palestine exception or in other spheres of this country. on my part i am proud to speak up. i'm proud of my scholarship and i encourage everybody with whatever privilege they have to use this to speak up. . these attempts to silence palestinians and other voices

who speak up against the genocide in gaza or palestinian at-large are only going to make us louder and stronger. >> thank you both. i appreciate you both speaking up and sharing your insights and time this evening. thank you. next, switching gears. a new report on why black women face the biggest risk of death during childbirth in the united states. ♪ control of my crohn's means everything to me. ♪ ♪ control is everything to me. ♪ feel significant symptom relief at 4 weeks with skyrizi, including less abdominal pain and fewer bowel movements. skyrizi is the first il-23 inhibitor that can deliver remission and visibly improve damage of the intestinal lining. and the majority of people experienced long-lasting remission at one year. serious allergic reactions and an increased risk of infections

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late last year, a 30-year- old black woman and mother of two arrived at woodhall medical center, a public hospital in brooklyn new york to give birth. what should've been a healthy delivery resulted in her death. investigators within the new york state department of health found a doctor error was to blame when hours after fields son was delivered she bled to death following an emergency c- section. few details emerged about what exactly happened among them, a lack of documentation and

communication about complications during the surgery. this is the second known time in recent years doctors at this new york hospital have been blamed for a maternal death. in 2020, a 26-year-old black woman and first-time mother stopped breathing after a botched epidural. the debts of both of these young mothers at the same hospital years apart draws attention to extreme racial disparities around childbirth healthcare. in new york city, black women are nine times more likely to die during childbirth and white women. zoom out further and that racial disparity and maternal mortality rate across the country will slightly less is still highly pronounced. a report this week by the commonwealth fund found the united states continues to have the highest rate of maternal deaths of any high income nation in the world. that in itself is shocking but within the u.s. the rate is by far the highest among black women. as the report notes there were

approximately 22 maternal debts for every 100,000 live births. for black women specifically that rate with and doubled with about 49 maternal deaths for every 100,000 life births. that unacceptable number should be cause for serious concern on its own but when you look at those rates next to other high income countries with the death rates are much lower the difference is stark and it is striking. the report found the vast majority of pregnancy -related deaths in this country, more than 80% are likely preventable. it cites differences in healthcare during pregnancy, labor and delivery between the u.s. and other countries. the u.s. and canada continue to have the lowest supplies of midwives and ob/gyn's. the u.s. stands as the only high income country where there is no federally mandated leave policy. all of these factors boil down to a fundamental issue. a dire

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we will keep talking about the extreme racial disparity and disproportionate debts of black women in this country and white as a new report exposes the united states also has the highest overall maternal death rates of any high income nation. with me now to discuss this, the ceo and cofounder of advancing health equity and author of legacy a black physician reckons with racism in medicine. kimberly durbin, a licensed midwife and cofounder of kindred space l.a. great to have both of you with us. i will start with you by asking you to speak about your own experiences as a doctor and mother here in new york city.

in your book you write about the anxiety you felt going into your first pregnancy and the hard truth is that inequitable maternal health outcomes for black birthing people exist across socioeconomic backgrounds and educational levels. what have you observed and experienced about the kind of care black women receive before, during and after pregnancy? >> thank you for having me. i'm excited to be on here with kimberly. i always use this statistic that even with my harvard underground and medical degree as a black woman i am still several times more likely to die of childbirth publications then a white woman with a high school education. that is how deeply embedded systemic racism is in the country. i'm glad the commonwealth research report exposed what the solutions are we need that there are other

high income countries that have more midwives and have paid family leave. when i was giving birth to my children i was so worried. i was scared because of those statistics because i knew that my profession, by level of education, my income was not protect. >> can really you cofounded kindred space l.a., a birthing center aimed at addressing the black maternal health crisis in the u.s. what are the services you offer as postpartum care? can you talk about why postpartum care is so important and why it is being overlooked? nearly two out of three maternal deaths in the u.s. occur during the postpartum period up to 42 days after birth. >> right. thank you for having me here. thank you to dr. blackstock for inviting me as well. thank you for talking about postpartum care because i think people think only about complications that can happen with pregnancy and birth.

as soon as you give birth to a baby you are in your postpartum. complications can happen immediately in the postpartum or further out when a patient has already been discharged and are at home. one of the reasons why these complications are so problematic is because you don't have a very good structure in this country to take care of women and postpartum. most in mainstream will be seen one time by their physician at about six weeks postpartum. unfortunately, between birth and six weeks postpartum there are many things that can arise including pre-and counsel you that can present himself in the postpartum. as well as hemorrhage can happen in immediate postpartum but can also happen when a patient is already home and if she doesn't have access to care, she can die. that is what's happening.

at kindred space l.a. one of the things we have done is make sure we had a very frequent check ins with our clients in the postpartum and we are able to do that because we are not following the insurance company model that says we are only going to pay for one visit and this is part of the reason why people don't get seen more often. folks aren't able to get paid for seeing patients more frequently in the postpartum and currently have the insurance is set up. >> let me pick up on that. dr. blackstock, what you see is other factors contributing to this maternal health crisis? there's a variety we have been able to identify at work among them shortages and ob/gyn, but the broader u.s. healthcare system where it is not accessible or guaranteed by any means, the fund report mentions all high income countries it reviewed besides the u.s. mandate at least 14 weeks of paid maternity leave from work.

it seems to be a total problem on many levels is that correct? >> these are systemic issues that policies we know that other high income countries have can address. the fact kimberly mentioned the presence of midwives, a lot of people in the u.s. even myself as a physician didn't know about the midwives in the child birthing process or even postpartum process. i didn't understand midwives followed birthing people through the entire lifecycle. this is what i did not learn in medical school in the u.s.. the birthing process is medical lysed. that is because of historical policies that pushed out midwives and also centered care on physicians. the more physicians involved in that process the more complications can arise unfortunately, the more c- sections are likely to happen or other kind of invasive procedures.

we need to really look toward other countries and see how other countries are having a safer process. as kimberly mentioned, the postpartum support -- i only had one single postpartum visit after i gave birth to both my children. that is not enough, we know most of those deaths happen in postpartum and for those states they need to expand medicaid, that needs to happen, it needs to be able to cover more than a year postpartum so birthing people are supported. >> i know we are talking about the systemic albums here, but what do you think needs to be done in order to address and bring an end to this crisis? what is your vision for the kind of healthcare system we currently need and what changes need to be enacted that we can do in the short term to try to bring those rates down as quickly as possible? >> that is such a great question. i am all about solutions. for me it was to become a midwife. i had midwives with the birth

of my children and they care was much more than what i was experiencing in mainstream healthcare. to that end, we need more models such as what we have here in california. luther king community hospital in south l.a. is a great model. they have doctors on staff and they take medi-cal and they are accessible and have wonderful quality care, collaborative care . unfortunately, they are always under threat for closure again back to the problem of proper insurance reimbursement actually even though their outcomes are excellent at the top of their game for california. their c-section rate is very low . they have problems staying open because the model isn't well integrated into the insurance system and therefore

they are running out of deficit every year and threatening to close. they presented solutions, but the policymakers need to work with these hospitals that are safety net hospitals and keep this care available. >> dr. blackstock, we are at a point where we are seeing abortion bans being enacted now, and assault on reproductive rights in this country being rolled back across the country. how do you see, if at all, these maternal health crises intersecting at some point between reproductive rights and maternal rights? >> absolutely. this is a racial justice issue. the fact we have these restrictive abortion policies, especially in states where there are high mortality rates, there are maternity deserts meeting there are not enough maternal providers and we know that in a lot of these states

disproportionately people of color are the ones seeking abortions. we need to make sure that we don't see worse maternal mortality rates of these abortion policies and that is something the groups are currently working on. >> very import conversation, we look forward to continuing. we have to do something, it is absolutely unacceptable. thank you so much to the both of you. really appreciate your insights. after the break, chrisman byron donalds and bishop battle out for our rest of the week title. inosaur, because it only treats your symptoms, not inflammation. treating both symptoms and inflammation with rescue is supported by asthma experts. finally, there's a modern way to treat symptoms and asthma attacks. airsupra is the first ever dual-action rescue inhaler that treats your asthma symptoms and helps prevent attacks. airsupra is the only rescue fda-approved to do both.

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he romanticized jim crow, a period of racial violence and segregation as an era when the black family was together. >> during jim crow the black family was together. during jim crow, more black people were not just conservative, but more black people voted conservatively and hew, lyndon johnson and if you go down that road and now we are where we are. >> donalds has since utilized the don't believe your lying eyes shtick saying democrats are twisting his words even though he was on tape. there's north carolina congressman dan bishop running for state attorney general joined the gop course this week blasting trump's guilty verdict in the new york hush money cover-up trial. bishop went further comparing trumps legal situation to that of a black person in the segregated south. don't believe me? watch.

>> is as bad as it was in alabama in 1950, if a person happened to be black, in order to get justice. that's what they did in new york. >> that they bishop is referring to is alvin bragg. he is comparing a black man to white segregationists. don't know these two in history class but we will give both an f on the program tonight. joining me, writer and editor for msnbc daily and former congressman joe walsh is the host of white flag with joe walsh. it's great to have both of you with us. which congressman is worse of the week? >> you put up a tough choice here. i'm going to have to go with byron donalds. just for this year history all city of what it is he said. both of them are extremely wrong in their framing of this. bishop trying to claim having a tough jury pool like trump

supposedly did in manhattan for his hush money trial is the same as segregation in alabama is bad. what donald said makes no sense , especially the part that killed me was when he suggested that during jim crow black voters voted more conservatively. a huge part of jim crow was disenfranchising people from voting at all were threatening their lives if they did not vote for the white candidate who was going to keep them down and oppress them and keep them from having any more rights and they already were granted at the time. i'm going to give it to donalds. just because of how little sense of what he said makes. >> who is your pick? >> i will respectfully disagree with my friend hayes. i agree with this, both bad, but despicable. i think donalds make a mistake. i think he could take back what

he said. i think he wishes he could take it back because it was stupid to reference jim crow. part of what he was getting at is the rise in out of wedlock births among blacks in america. that is a legitimate interesting discussion. he didn't do that and through in jim crow and it messed up and made everything he said wrong. ayman, bishop meant what he said. what did he say? bishop said donald trump is being treated every bit as poorly as black americans when black americans were discriminated against, segregated against, lynched and killed. institutional racism in our justice system. he meant it. bishop meant it. that is atrocious to compare donald trump to that. >> very valid points there on the meaning of both. let me play for you -- donalds was on with joy reed.

let me play what he said to her about his use of the word jim crow and what he meant. >> if a black man, a black father could not protect his wife, his son or himself from lynching and violence how is him being in the home mean that is an era that was better for the black family or that we should think of as a good thing? >> first of all, i never said it was better for black people in jim crow. i have never said that. my own words say that. >> what's remarkable is a he is still denying he said black families were better off even though we have the tape. he is the one that invoked jim crow. to joe's point. he could've said the 40s and 50s if he wanted to make an observation of social behavior at the time, whatever it is about society or black families are black communities back then. he decided to invoked jim crow

as the reference point. when you talk about the economy and issues you can say in the 20s and 30s but he decided to use jim crow as the conceptual framework for the point he was trying to make. >> he was trying to put it in the framework. i get you may believe donalds was misspeaking when he said jim crow. i take issue with the broader points he was making as well. the idea that it was specifically johnson and welfare movements to try to help people. part of the reason why there was so much backlash against those programs was because even though they help white people a lot there was a movement amongst the right to try to cut funds to welfare programs by convincing white people it only helped black americans. there are so many socioeconomical things happening at the same time, divorce rates went up across the board, you have issues

dealing with -- even union work and the way employment worked in america, the way you saw the rise of the war on drugs and that breaking up the black family. there's so many points that could've been brought into this but donalds did none of that. he leaned on the idea that things were better at a time before and it happened to be a time when there was rampant discrimination and when this mythical era of perfect conservatism rolled in america. >> to go anywhere, there is more to discuss. we will do a second round and it involves -- we will tell you about it after the break. stay with us. ned, ned, who are you wearing? he thinks his flaky red patches are all people see. otezla is the #1 prescribed pill to treat plaque psoriasis. ned? otezla can help you get clearer skin,

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we are back with our bonus worst of the week around. you didn't think we were going to let dr. phil off the hook did you? the personality whose full name is phil mcgraw went viral over something he said on a special monday episode of his new show dedicated to the trump hush money verdict. take a listen. >> we need our justice department to return to the business of mending out justice and not running the political agendas of those currently in power langley seeking convictions warranted or otherwise and attacking political components. i'm not into politics. i claim no expertise nor do i seek any.

i don't advocate voting for one candidate over another, i stay in my lane addressing human behavior. >> mcgraw had a big trumpet themed lineup culminating in thursday's episode featuring a sitdown interview with the ex- president. >> i know you've got a thick skin. you're not one of those afflicted with the need to be left by strangers, i get that. my question is not how do you do it, my question is why do you do it? >> some hard-hitting stuff right there from dr. phil. my panel is back with me. joe, i will start with you. dr. phil fancies himself an expert on mental health yet he thinks trump is thick-skinned and isn't needy or does not need to be loved. did he get his degree from trump university? >> i will avoid the question and say this, it is impossible. i mean, impossible to conduct a more adoring on your knees cold -ish interview than that.

in your earlier clip, dr. phil said i don't engage in politics. that is exactly what he did. he got down on his knees to make donald trump look good. that was pathetic. >> i have to play you this, this was dr. phil going on cnn and he thinks he made progress with convincing trump not to after his political enemies. >> i think i really made some headway with him, that it is not the way to go. i think it is a process, i think he will turn this over and over in his mind. i don't think he will do that. >> i mean, who is this guy kidding? >> it is wild to say that on several levels. first on the idea he could get through to trump at all. he was supposedly just an interview talking to trump.

the idea that in talking to him he is now less inclined to go after his enemies. that admits the idea he wants to do it, he said he wanted to do it, we should believe him when he said he wants to go after his enemies. it downplays -- it self- aggrandizing is dr. phil saying i know he said it but i think i got through to him. it's funny how many times people who interview trump have tried to be like you don't really want to go after people do you? and trump is like i really do, i really do. yes, i promise i do. i really think we have to believe him. >> i think you should believe everything trump says he will do and if he doesn't do it it is because of incompetence and not lack of trying. i have one more contender. alex jones, the conspiracy theorist has agreed to liquidate his assets to finally start paying nearly $1.5 billion he owes his images to the sandy hook victims who he spread lies about.

too little too late, is it not making a difference is it important? >> too little too late. he's trash. he said it. this is fascism. donald trump is saying over and over that if elected he will go over his political enemies. this is fascism and it is embarrassing and dangerous that dr. phil and all of trump's media cheerleaders are trying to talk him off of this. we have to put a spotlight on it. >> how do you explain phil coming out of nowhere for trying to get on this action? >> i think he has a new show to promote. we are talking about it. we would not be talking about dr. phil's new show if he had not done something as wild as bring on donald trump and say i got through to him on not going after his enemies. tune in next week to see who else i can rehabilitate. that is the only reason for it and unfortunately it has worked, we are talking about it

but thankfully in the context of why it was a bad idea. >> was it bad for us to have him as worst of the week? >> not at all. it's the serious point. trump is threatening to go after his enemies. use the joke that is dr. phil and all the others tried to get him off it. >> my point is i'm not trying to belittle the situation because we laugh, i am trying to say this guy is influential. dr. phil is influential. millions watch him, trump goes on his show and lightly says he's going to go after his political enemies and i think that is very dangerous and that's why we wanted this conversation with both of you. thank you to the both of you. greatly appreciated and thank you for making time for us at home. make sure to join us tomorrow night on msnbc. more follow-up over u.s. support for israel. major harrison mann will talk about his decision to resign from the u.s. army in protest over the biden administration's policies in gaza. until then, i'm ayman

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