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from msnbc headquarters in new york. welcome everybody to alex reports. we begin with breaking news in former president's donald trump's hush trial. donald trump will sit down via news with a u.s. probation officer. this is according to three sources. we have vance a attorney she's also an mnbc legal analyst. what more do we know about this interview? >> thank you, alex. nbc news has learned from three independent sources mr. trump will appear tomorrow morning we believe via zoom for his investigative presentencing report. he will be meeting with a probational officer who will be on the tenth floor of 100 center street in manhattan. s that is where he appeared for six weeks for his criminal trial and he will be

intervowed. -- interviewed. this is a highly unusual situation doing this over zoom versus in person. but they found it's the best way possible because of the security involved. we saw the intense security involved during his former trial. that would have to be again if he showed tomorrow for his interview. plus the people who typically show up for their probation interviews, defendants, people who are coming with families, they want to remain anonymous. they don't want to be identified. and authorities feel this would be incredibly disruptive so they felt this was the rout to go. >> okay so just to confirm. he's in mar-a-lago with his attorney, that's correct? >> that's correct. todd blanch will be at his side. he will be on the other side of the zoom. the probation officer will be

in manhattan. >> vahn, how is the trump team approaching this interview? >> for donald trump to the extent he listened to his legal defense team, he listened to them and chose not to testify. it was because of his counsel that he made the decision not to testify in his case despite us knowing he wanted to do that and he wanted to tell his version of events. for donald trump this is clearly an important moment ahead of his sentencing. it's an opportunity for him to explain in his own terms in that meeting exactly how he views the guilty verdict and the extent to which he may or may not have any remorse for his actions. of course, donald trump has remained defiant on the campaign trail. he had his first public appearance on the stump this last week in phoenix. this is now going to be his second event here in las vegas when he takes the stage in just a few hours. so for him, there has been

little demonstration on his part of suggesting that he regrets any of the actions that the 12 jurors found him guilty of. and instead he is impugned the reputation and the creditability of the judge who oversaw this case. judge marchand will be the one to determine that very sentence and he has under cut the entirety of the new york court system that led to the charges being brought against him by that grand jury in march of 2023. so you know, to the extent that donald trump is in control of his messaging within that meeting, you would expect it to be pretty reflective of what his public sentiments have been not only on the campaign trail but also over his social media over the course of the last week and a half, alex. >> okay, so how does a probation interview work. what are the kinds of questions that trump will be asked. i want to pick up on what vaughn just said in regard to what donald trump has said publicly when he goes out and campaigns and puts something on

trump social or puts something over the telephone. his attorney says, hey buddy, you have to show some contrition, you have to be some what remorsable. -- remorseful. does the judge know what he's being told? >> i think it's important alex that the interview with the defendant is just one aspect of the confidential report that a probation officer prepares for a judge in order to aid the judge's sentencing decision. but the interview with the defendant which is almost always conducted in person, there's a provision in the new york rules for a defendant who lives out of state or where their exigent circumstances both of them appear here which will do this remotely. the legal team will look at his

attitude, his character, his behavior. all of this aids the judge and part of this will include contrition. but donald trump has the right of every other defendant to say he's innocent. that does way when the contrition agent views how he will act in the future. >> will any of this be made public. is judge marchand any part of this tomorrow and does it get video taped. considering it's zoom, there has to be a record of it right. somebody has to be able to overlook and see what's happening in this interview. >> we don't know if there will be an official record if in

fact, it'll be recorded. judge marchand is obviously closely involve with this. this report is going to judge marchand. he is considered a client of this meeting. on the 27th the prosecution will file their motions. so as joyce said, this is just one aspect of the presentencing report. there are other things that are involved including those motions. and then of course it's up to judge marchand to decide on a sentence. >> okay, so vaughn we know you're in las vegas where donald trump will be holding a rally. he's still under this gag order, how much will he be able to say about this meeting tomorrow. do you expect him to talk about it? >> i don't expect him to talk about the actual interview himself unless he was actual little brought in to go to new york. but he'll be doing it down in

mar-a-lago where he'll be leaving las vegas after this event to go back to florida. i wouldn't expect him to talk heavily about it to the extent he brings attention to the case. it's more so to validate he is facing an unfair prosecution as he has repeatedly layed claim to. that is effective when talking to the voters who are loyalists at these events. a great number of them they know the specifics of what donald trump says was unfair. suggesting that judge marchand was an unfair. that his daughter was profiting from his case, which we have no evidence of. there are people who echo the words of donald trump. they're familiar with his

refloodplain. and -- they're familiar with his refrain. for him you know, let's be clear it's going to be over 100 degrees as this rally unfolds today underneath the las vegas sun, alex. for donald trump he understands the importance of making this fight on the campaign as far away as nevada. that you're able to win over some of those hesitant conservatives who otherwise would be willing to vote for you but would be unwilling to vote for a convicted felon. >> last question to you, joyce. how does judge marchand use this interview to help him sentence donald trump. to what extent do these probation officers weigh in. is there a percentage, are there may be a quarter of consideration when a judge is going for sentencing? >> i wouldn't put any sort of numerical value on it.

but adam makes a very important point. probation works for the courts and the judges in essence the client for whom this report is prepared. so when judges sentence and this is just generally across the board in federal and state cases, they apply something called the principle of parcimony. which means they shouldn't incarcerate their defendant for anything longer than the amount of time that's necessary to achieve the goals of the criminal justice system. so the judge considers offense conduct, a defendant's prior criminal history. but also the need to rehabilitate that defendant to deter future crimes by this defendant and others and also to punish in order to uphold the legitimacy of the system. and also, it's incumbent on the judge to use good information to make those decisions. this report is what gives him the basis for providing information he might not otherwise have. a defendant's financial

condition. a defendant's self-assessment. the stability of his living circumstances. it's a very complicated and very serious responsibility that we ask our judges to perform. >> okay i want to thank you all. adam reese for breaking this story. vaugh from las vegas. joyce i'm going to ask you to stay with us because we have more questions. we have more pwraerbging news to report. new details on that daring raid to rescue hostages in gaza. fall out from the hostage rescue yesterday. matt, welcome. what else are you learning about this hostage operation? >> reporter: the impact here where i am in israel. there's still jubilation, celebration a day after those four hostages were rescued by the ivf. this is a rare moment. most israelis as far as they're concerned a disastrous military adventure that hasn't yet

achieved it goals. this rescue, those four hostages including noah organami. one of the faces of the symbols of this hostage crisis here. she was rescued as well. so this was a really big, big moment of optimism for a lot of israelis. here's a moment from my colleague graff sanchez piece last night capturing that. >> noah's friends at her side. >> she's amazing. she's strong, she's laughing and smiling and. >> what was the first thing you said to her? >> just a big hug. and so glad that you're here. >> that we missed her. >> alga big smiles altz he hug -- smiles as he hugs friends and relatives and moved as he sees the prime minister. in tel-a-viv this life guard

announcing the news of the rescue to a cheering beach. >> reporter: we were talking about jubilation just across the border in the gaza strip there's nothing but despair. that's because palestinians here are calling this the worse episode since october 7th. one of them at least. and those in the gaza strip are calling this a massacre. of the four refugees that were released, nearly 300 palestinians were killed all told in that operation according to gazan health authorities. some more than 60 of them were children. and there were many elderly and others clearly noncombatant civilians who were among those casualties. there were thought to be around 400 people who have been injured. those people taken to hospitals that have already been filled with the injured from previous attacks and the ongoing attack by israel on the gaza strip which has now killed more than

36,000 people. again according to the hamas- gaza health authorities. so this is a situation that is one of despair for the people in the gaza strip. the palestinians again they're calling this a brutal massacre. and we still haven't seen here in israel the end of the political fall out. we're still waiting to hear from benny gantz. he's a former military leader. a former general. he's a member of the war council sort of the war cabinet that was put together by prime minister benjamin netanyahu at the outset of this conflict back on october 7th. he has threatened to resign several weeks ago from this war cabinet. unless benjamin netanyahu comes up with some sort of plan for the postgaza governance. we may still hear that resignation. >> all right, if you hear more about that resignation, please come back to us. let's go to kelly in paris. what are we hearing from the administration today about what role the u.s. played in the

hostage rescue mission and the president's last day as well in france. we'll let you go over that as well too. >> reporter: good to be with you alex. the administration has talked about general support for israel in carrying out this operation but no specific details. we know more broadly that there is intelligence support and different ways to try to help identify where hostages may be located in gaza. the u.s. was clear that there are of course no american boots on the ground involved in this operation. but the kind of support that the u.s. can bring to israel is something that has been happening for quite some time with different levels of intelligence whether it's signals intelligence or other kinds of satellite abilities. where they are able to try to gather information that may help to form the decisions that the idf has to make about when they execute an operation. so limited details but clearly support from the u.s. president biden is now on his way back to

the united states after his trip here to france. and he ended his time here by making a stop at a world war i cemetery that is the, the resting place for a few thousand american marines who were part of a very important battle back in world war i. and the president wanted to make that stop. he said he had spent time honoring the heros of world war ii with normandy and d day and he didn't want to be in france without also going to this american cemetery. noteworthy for those who remember in 2018 i was covering president trump at that time when he was in france for the anniversary 100th anniversary of world war i, he did not go to this cemetery. there was a lot of controversy about that at the time. today president biden talked about the importance of alliances and a kind of relationship the u.s. has with especially european allies and all that's at stake in the world. then when there were active wars and the threats we face

today. here's the president. >> even though i've been here before, it surprised me how much it awakened my sense of why it's so valuable to have these alliances. why it's so critical. that's how you stop wars not start wars. >> the president in almost every one of his events here in france has talked about the importance of these partnerships. and argues that that is what keeps countries like the united states, france and our other allies safe. that by having these partnerships where the u.s. stands up for allies they stand up for us, that that is the best deterrence to the kind of invasions we've seen from russia in ukraine and concerns about what could come later. now the president did not explicitly talk about donald trump while he's over seas. implicit in a lot of what he had to say were comparisons to

the trump approach of america first and some of his frustrations and emphasis on wanting something different from nato and not supporting some of the alliances. so the contrast was clear even though the president didn't have to make it explicitly. that certainly played out during the days we've been in france. alex. >> all right, kelly o'donnell, thank you so much for that comprehensive report. joining me right now is embassador mark ginsburg and ambassador to morocco and senior global adviser for the extremist project. what's your reaction to the daring hostage rescue yesterday. but coupled with reports of more than 270 palestinians killed in the process. >> well alex, obviously this goes through the temerity of having to do a cost benefit analysis. israelis are obviously

overjoyed about four hostages rescued. there's still 120 hostages, 43 of them are presumed dead. the fact that these four hostages seem to be in such excellent health is obviously reassuring about perhaps the remaining hostages. but the fact remains alex is that the palestinians who are suffering under a continuous assault and desperately in need of humanitarian aid, are almost being ignored by the israeli public over the fate of what is taking place and the fact is that despite all of the best efforts of the president and his team to get negotiations concluded for a cease-fire, hamas refuses to agree to the terms of a biden agreement. because one reason, one reason only. hamas is insists a complete and permanent withdrawal of israeli

forces from gazan exchange of israeli hostages. >> is u.s. intelligence assisting search for israeli hostages. >> i really don't know. i'm very familiar, although i'm very familiar with the ivf as you well know, the fact is i don't really know if the idf expected, and this goes back to the intelligence that while they may have known that there were four hostages were being held. the fact they had to attack in such significant velocity in order to secure those hostages, probably speaks to the fact that once again, israeli intelligence is nowhere near as capable as it needs to be in order to understand the perimeter of issues that they are trying to deal with when it comes to hostages negotiations. just look a couple of days ago, they hit a school where men, women and children were hiding and taking refuge. this goes back to the enormous

calamity of the suffering that's taking place and that hamas' refusal to negotiate is only inflicting more havoc on palestinians. >> hamas is claiming that three hostages were killed during the rescue mission that includes an american. the u.s. nor israel has yet to confirm this but how much can we believe hamas? >> let's take it at face value. it's very conceivable that there were hostages. there were more than four hostages being held in that apartment. there were hostages that were injured and killed you had to presume that perhaps that was a much more important target and that is the result of what is taking place. it's conceivable that unfortunately there may have been more hostages killed. after all, alex, there's 43

hostages who's bodies still haven't been returned who likely either died on october 7th or who have died in captivity. >> there are reports mark, that u.s. made weapons have been used in the serious of mass casualty events including that attack on the school. was the u.s. aware of this beforehand and does this violate any agreement that the u.s. has with israel about when and how they can use u.s. made weapons. >> it is a very opaque topic on crossing the line of gaza. this red line of weaponry being used that is american origin. the u.s. not wanting to hold accountable israel. members of congress believing it is violating u.s. statutes.

unfortunately you have, in the fog of war, alex, you clearly have american weapons being used that are nonisraeli. the fact there's munitions being used is clearly a question. raises serious questions about whether or not the israeli, these idf and particularly the netanyahu government is paying any attention to the admonitions of the united states pentagon or the president of the united states. >> i have to tell you it's a question we ask repeatedly but i thank you very much for this discussion. former ambassador. the enormous quandary for manhattan d.a. donald bragg after donald trump's conviction. after this. bug-deadly. we're talking about practicing-- practicing good financial strategy. ...by cashbackin. what'd you think i was talking about? -not a game. -not a game. -talking about cashbackin. -cashbackin.

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it is our commitment. we need to do this. back with the breaking news. an nbc news exclusively reporting that tomorrow donald trump will be interviewed by new york city probation officer. it is part of the presentencing process that follows his conviction on 34 felony counts in the hush money case. it'll be conducted via zoom and he will be accompanied by his lawyer todd blanch. defendants typically use the interview to request a lenient. >> is he receptive to accepting the restrictions that are placed upon them in the event

they are placed on probation. will they comply with the rules or are they people who are likely to violate the rules. >> joyce vance is back with me. i'm glad i have another question specific to this which we discussed in our last block. can donald trump convince a probation officer that he is amenable to supervision when he is known for rule breaking. >> one of the things that donald will face is responding to his gag order. trump has continued to violate that gag order that's still in place since the conviction. and that alex is pretty good, pretty strong evidence that this is someone who will not be able to abide by conditions of release if he remains on

probation. it may be a factor that plays strongly in the judge's decision about whether or not to sentence his to custody. >> so trump's defense teams sentencing recommendations, those are due thursdays. what sentence can they ask for, joyce, that could be a punishment fitting the crime yet not objectionable to donald trump. >> they'll ask for a sentence of probation. that's the least restrictive type of sentence the judge can impose in this case. i accept we'll see the prosecution, the people ask for time and custody based on the severity of the crime. based on the defendant's failure to show any remorse. based on the defendant's repeated failures of the gag order. and so it will be a primary disagreement between both sides that the judge will have to resolve, custody or not. >> so there's another big

question, and it's whether manhattan d.a. bragg will recommend prison time. he could face political push back if he does or doesn't for that matter. is he thinking about politics at this moment? >> well alvin bragg is an elected district attorney, elected district attorneys obviously have to pace the will of the people every few years. but alvin bragg is something special in this regard. he's a career prosecutor. he spent time as a federal prosecutor. the way that he planned and carried out this case demonstrated a really remarkable adherence to rule of law principles. rather than to political ones. this is a d.a. who declined to indict a case when he believed the evidence wasn't there. who went back and reconsidered the evidence when new information was put in front of him. i think what we can expect is that alvin bragg will look at comparable cases. of course there's no prior president who's been charged like this but this charge itself is bread and butter for

the district attorney's office. this notion of fraudulent business records that are created to conceal other crimes. i think he will look at a frank assessment of where donald trump fits. how this office recommends punishment in similar cases. i think we'll see him try to do the right thing. try to get justice for the people and for donald trump. >> one more question, this one about another historic ongoing trial of the son of a sitting president. what are your thoughts joy on the prosecutions case against hunter biden? do you think he will or should testify in his own defense this week? >> well that's the question, right. because the government has a strong case here. the evidence of this crime, there are three different counts here. but the core charge here is possession of a firearm by someone who was a drug addict. and the government has put on

strong evidence biden's defense appears to be i didn't believe that i was addicted to drugs or a user of drugs at the time i purchased the firearm. i thought that i was in recovery. so there's testimony from others about that. but of course the best way to put on that defense if you really think that your client can stand up to cross- examination is to put them on the stand. to sell that defense to the jury. it is very unusual for defendants to take the stand. abby lowel is a lawyer who has some expertise at winning acquittals for his clients and so we'll have to wait and see whether he thinks it's worth the gamble here or not. >> we will wait together and see. thank you very much joyce vance. so first came the celebrations now come some tough questions about the hostage rescue that came at a stark human cost. at a stark human cost. wildlife aff. dawn platinum cleans to the squeak. ♪ [suspenseful music]

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new reaction from the biden administration after an israeli rescue of four hostages. 274 palestinians died during the operation. national security advisor sullivan says the u.s. cannot confirm that number. >> innocent people were tragically killed in this operation. the exact number we don't know but innocent people were killed and that is heartbreaking. that is tragic. the president himself has said in the recent days the palestinian people are going through sheer hell in this conflict because hamas is operating in a way that puts them in the cross fire. that holds hostages right in the heart of crowded civilian areas. but there's only one answer to stop that from happening going forward and that is a cease- fire and hostage deal. >> join me now democratic congressman from illinois raja morisi. the release of hostages certainly great relief. really lots of joy across

israel. but eight months into this car it came at a cost. it was also one of the bloodiest days yet. the administration says the only way to prevent more deaths are a hostage deal and cease- fire. are you concerned this operation could hinder any prospects of that? >> i am but i think it also points to the need for hamas for instance to accept the terms on the table. what president biden set forth the other day a 3-point plan is one that the israeli war cabinet put on the table and it starts with the cease-fire along with release of hostages and almost 600 trucks a day of humanitarian aid coming into gaza. and so, right now i think we have to put maximum pressure on all the parties whether it's netanyahu or hamas to come to the table, accept this deal and you know get a pause or cease- fire as quickly as possible.

>> give me your position on intel committee. is there any way to gauge how the palestinians are feeling about hamas. the fact that there are these hundreds and hundreds of pointless deaths, tragic deaths, because they will not come to the table and accept the cease-fire deal you're referencing there. is there any way to gauge whether or not palestinians are angry with hamas, turning against hamas. can intel pick up on that? >> a little bit alex. as you can tell, it's very hard to do any kind of scientific polling in this kind of environment. on the other hand there's increasing reports of palestinians including yesterday asking why the hell were these hostages held in such a crowded residential area. now, i don't know what

scientifically a survey would show of all palestinians but they are outraged at this point in general about what's happening. and i think that rage is directed in various directions including hamas. >> and set to address the supreme court, benjamin netanyahu. should netanyahu address congress? and will you attend? >> i'm not thrilled but on the other hand, if i only attended congress when i agreed with the person at the podium i wouldn't be there very much. so my constituents would probably fire me if i didn't attend. i am going to be there, i want to listen to him. i want to hear him talk about this three point cease-fire proposal. because i think that would be the most fruitful use of time. we have to get to an end of

hostilities. and those three points are very simple. first, release of hostages, flow of humanitarian aid. the second point is, negotiating a permanent end to hostilities and then the third and very important point is reconstruction and self- governance in that area. if we don't get there, we're going to go through a hopeless circle of violence. and this is getting more and more gruesome by the day. >> it is june 9. he's not speaking till july 24. let's hope that which you hope he addresses will be addressed, point exclamation point by that point. >> the reports of benny gantz pulling out of the war cabinet. resigning from the war cabinet any day. there's going to be political upheaval in israel and i think that we're just going to have

to see how that plays out. >> we're waiting for a news conference by gantz. he was supposed to resign yesterday if he made good on that three week. speaker johnson appointed to the panel. everyone surprised republican chair mike turner. was this move at the direction of donald trump? and look, i know you will welcome them on to the committee, but the question is how warmly? >> i'm a little bit concerned to say the least. i think my colleagues are as well. apparently speaker johnson told aids as well as others that he did so, he appointed jackson and perry at the behest of donald trump. if that is really true, then that's the more that we have to

take back the house. we need speaker jakim jeffreys more than ever and we need sane leadership. we can't someone somehow give donald trump the right to appoint members of any committee of congress, let alone the intelligence committee. >> all right, murphy congressman from illinois good to see you. thank you so much. >> same here, alex. it is a heat dome that is chattering new records. when relief will come, next. switch t o th bu rely if advanced lung cancer has you searching for possibilities, discover a different first treatment. immunotherapies work with your immune system to attack cancer. but opdivo plus yervoy

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temperatures could hit 118 degrees. nbcs marissa parr is joining us from florida. how is it feeling out there? but from the looks of you, you don't look like you're sweating at all. good for you. >> reporter: i will say this we're very lucky because we're right next to the beach. there's a beautiful ocean breeze coming our way. don't be pooled, we just happen to be in a pocket of paradise but florida is where the majority of this heat wave is being felt. it is looking like a scorcher. that's something that unfortunately we're all too familiar with. the majority of those cities do happen to be in florida. also in parts of texas. you mentioned 3 million people under heat advisories. texas and florida really feeling the brunt of all of that. and remember, this is coming on the heels of all of that heat coverage. the images that we saw, the effects that the heat out of mexico had on the wildlife

there. and then of course, nbc did their own reporting out of places like phoenix, las vegas. in fact, you're going to hear from one of the directors that is in charge of heat management out of the west, we're going to take a listen in just a moment. >> bring snacks with you, a means where you need to go. checking on elderly neighbors and making sure those folks are taken care of. i have been doing heat coverage, it made a lot of my reporting last summer. we can tell you we were in arizona, we were in miami, we were in texas. what i can tell you, yes when you're along the beach here it's not too bad. you can take a dip in the pool. you can take a dip in the ocean. but the problem really is not just the effects of chronic heat exposure which is a growing concern. we're seeing record breaking temperatures earlier than we

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breaking news, benny gantz has announced in a news conference that he and members of his party are resigning from israel's war cabinet. what this means is that benjamin netanyahu the prime

minister will have to rely on the right wing members of his cabinet for plans as they go forward. we should know that benny gantz and the members of his party joined the war cabinet in the wake of the massacre on october 7th. they were trying to afford a show of unity and work together with the right wing party supporting benjamin netanyahu. the problem came about three weeks ago when benny gantz said that he was demanding that benjamin netanyahu offer his postwar plans for the region. how they would implement recovery, reconstruction and the like at the end of the war. and benjamin netanyahu failed to do so. benny gantz was supposed to resign yesterday. it can be presumed he failed to do so yesterday. waited until today because of the jubilation felt across israel at the return of those four hostages and that daring daylight rescue by the idf members. we're going to get more on this

and the implications of this from matt bradley who will be joining us from jerusalem a bit later. this morning the president visited the american cemetery where thousands of world war i veterans are buried. susan, this cemetery that president biden visited this morning it's the same one that donald trump skipped in 2018 at the 100th anniversary at the end of the world war i. when multiple sources said that trump called those buried there losers and suckers for getting killed. so today is president biden succeeding at highlighting his decency difference with donald

trump especially with the former president on a revenge tour now? >> yeah, alex, just one thing to add another reason why it was reported that donald trump didn't attend is he didn't want to get his hair wet because the weather wasn't very good. that being said, i don't think joe biden needs to do much to show his decency and love of country in comparison to donald trump. this just reemphasizes what most people know. they may not want to vote for joe biden but you can't say he's not a decent human being. >> so david, we had 46 house republicans who voted this week in favor of an amendment to defund nato. i mean it was sponsored by this woman there. marjorie taylor green. it's not near enough to get it passed but is it just further distinguishing between the distinction of gop promoted isolationism from the global alliances that president biden continues promoting. >> alex, this is a significant number and consistent with a

similar vote a year or two ago. and i think we need to recognize it as a shift in republican ideology. the abandonment of peace through strength. for a large faction of republicans. part of it is just raw ignorance. i went through the list of 46. there's not really any national defense leaders in that 46. it is a bunch of marjory taylor greens who bring security issues. part of it is partisanship. donald trump doesn't know nato, joe biden is in the world stage celebrating and encouraging the protection of freedom. republicans abandoned the west to protect freedom. though it grew out of world war ii in europe for other reasons it became for the next 40 plus years an alliance to deter

russia. and that is where questions about today's republican party under donald trump really come into play when they abandon the nato alliance. >> yeah. speaking susan, of marjory taylor green others joining her promise of pay back after donald trump's conviction. they released a statement criticizing the verdict. you have written some republicans don't think trump actually means the things he said about revenge but quote, trump is not just saying these things to excite his base and raise money, he believes in retribution and this retribution has become central to his base. why susan are his allies so eager to defend him and will they even get anything out of doing so? >> yeah, i think they are trying to, you know, i said trump would give no quarter to susan collins. i highlighted susan collins because it is worth knowing she voted to impeach donald trump or to convict him. she was one of 7 senators, but

for her to take this statement and go against one of the pillars of our democracy just shows how weak kneed a lot of republicans are that know better. and do i think that there will be retribution left and right, absolutely. what scares me most is the people in mid-government that trump appoints who want to take at their own revenge. it could be their hometown district attorney. and that donald trump won't care if you do it. so it's those kinds of people who enter government under a potential trump administration that scare me the most. >> there's a new poll that has don had -- donald trump and joe biden neck to neck. and that number has gone up since march. does he need more than that going into november or could it be enough to put him over the

finish line? >> he just needs one more electoral vote than donald trump. but i think what we're seeing in every poll and i want to be careful with my phraseology here, the majority coalition in the united states is an anti trump coalition. that doesn't mean they're all never trumpers. they might be traditional democrats who perform for democrats. they're progressive. doesn't mean they're anti trump, they're also probiden. the coalition comes around when you bring in those soft republicans. those persuadable independents. that is what gives joe biden the win. un unfortunately you have to layer in the electoral college. where likely six or seven states are going to decide who is the president in 2024. you've got to admit it's pretty rude the strategy one nation is taking to get under

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now today's other top stories, this comes one day after several shark bites in the area, three people were injured. >> take a look at this, a major landslide is closing a critical highway linking idaho and wyoming. the collapse of teton pass was a catastrophic failure and couldn't be avoided. thank flip nobody was injured. >> and overseas this is kind of gross. south korea is resuming propaganda loud speaker aimed at north korea. aimed at north korea. i bet you all a very good