that's going to do it for me on this edition of alex whit reports. we'll be back next sunday. prime weekend is next.

welcome to "prime weekend." i'm nicole wallace and let's get right to the week's top stories. threats and intimidation leading to doxxing and s.w.a.t.ing apparently. not enough to satiate donald trump and his maga accolytes. of course that was for concealing hush money payments to a porn star and it was meant to hide that information from the american voter ahead of the 2016. now trump allies are propertying their revenge and their retaliation against the people who have had the audacity to hold the ex- president accountable. of course all this happens at the expense of the rule of law. basic decency and our very democracy. "new york times" out today with quote, within hours of a jury finding trump guilty last week, the anger congealed into calls

for action. since then prominent gop leaders and out of government have demanded that elected republicans use every available instrument of power against democrats. including targeted investigations and prosecutions. here's how trump henchman steven miller puts it. >> is every house committee controlled by republicans? using its subpoena power in every way it needs to right now? with every republican da starting every investigation they need to right now? the every donor off the sidelines in the game that big dollar guys the rich guys and wealthy guys? every facet of republican party politics and power has to be used right now to go toe to toe with marxism and beat these communists. >> i could barely hear what he's saying. maybe he knows. i don't know. i don't know. echoing miller's tirade, trump's comrades in arms in the january 6th insurrection steve bannon, has said this to the

"new york times" quote, bannon said in a text message to thetimes on tuesday that now is the moment for obscure republican prosecutors, around the country to make a name for themselves while prosecuting democrats. there are dozens who need to seize the day and own this moment in history bannon wrote. threats of revenge are of course nothing new. it's actually the oldest trump story i have covered. team trump has been calling for hillary clinton to be investigated and prosecuted for nearly decade for special prosecutor to go after president joe biden for years. it's all part and parcel of trump's brand and of his political movement. he also now is a centerpiece of his presidential campaign. not anything resembling a public servant. but the fur rye in the wake of trump's criminal conviction is new. and we should pay attention. "new york times" says quote the intensity of anger and open

desire for using the criminal justice system against democrats after the verdict surpasses anything seen before in trump's tumultuous years in national politics. what's different now is the range of republicans who were saying retaliation is necessary. and who are no longer cloaking their intent with euphemisms. plans are already being drawn up by the red tide brigade. the guys that appears in support of donald trump during the trial. as we reported yesterday on this program, speaker mike johnson is planning on punishing doj using any tool at his disposal. all of it in service of the guy who had the sex with the porn star and paid to cover it up. the disgraced four times indicted donald trump made it crystal clear that this is his vision. for revenge. last night, trump mused about imprisoning hillary clinton and

other political enemies. watch. >> wouldn't it be terrible to throw the president's wife and the former secretary of state -- think of it. the former secretary of state, but the president -- the president's wife into jail. wouldn't that be a terrible thing? but they want to do it. so, you know, it's -- it's a terrible, terrible path that they're leading us to. and it's very possible that it's going to have to happen to them. >> donald trump and the movement plotting to take a wrecking ball to what's left of the rule of law in america. in the wake of the ex-president being held criminally accountable is where we begin today. former rnc spokesman tim miller is back. and plus former top officials at the department of justice and msnbc legal analyst andrew weissman is back with us at the table. chief political columnist host of the podcast "in politic" and i'm going to be on soon right?

hopefully. yes. yes. [ laughter ] national affairs analyst john hallowman is here and msnbc national security contributor mike schmidt is back with us at the table. mike, i remember one of the first times i read about how much trump was trying to do this as president was a story you wrote about efforts to get don mcgahn to get trump to prosecute i think it was hillary clinton and jim comey and maybe another combination of others. he was restrained in the years from doing that somewhat. durham ended up investigating unnecessarily a bunch of people but this is now the centerpiece of his re-election effort and it appears based on today's times reporting it's been turbo charged by his conviction. >> i think this falls into the category of things that -- he sort of has figured out he figured out in the last weeks of the presidency. that he could do a lot more without the guardrails around. and so something that he would plow directly into if he came

back. he really wanted this to be done when he was president. he really -- at one point, there's this anecdote in the mueller report that doesn't get a lot of attention where he essentially held sessions' job over his head and said look i'm going to get rid of you unless you prosecute hillary clinton. he wanted to order the justice department himself to do this. but there were these guardrails. don mcgahn writes a very lengthy memo to him saying this is why you cannot do this. this is why this is a terrible idea. and they were able to contain trump and obviously among many other things, if he were to come back you know, in the same way he talks about his use of pardons to free the january 6th rioters. these are things that he would -- he would use the government's power proactively to go after his enemies and i need to say that's different than obstruction. obstruction is a serious thing. and it's illegal. but to use all the powers of

the federal government against an enemy would be a new chapter. >> yeah. it's difficult because i think you look at how the presidency ended and ends with a deadly insurrection and where hanging by pence was the self- proclaimed mission statement. and i think there's a -- you know, how much worse could it be than that but what you are saying is i think people sort of sigh when they hear this idea of guardrails but this was a specific thing he wanted to do from day one and there were people around that had enough muscle memory of how the institutions of doj and the institutions of the white house counsel's office were supposed to function. even if it was imperfect, they were enough of -- of a rein on him and you are saying that's over. the gig is up. he's going to come out -- >> also wasn't sophisticated enough to figure out how to plow through that. to get beyond that certain point and to get beyond john kelly or don mcgahn. he couldn't figure out how to

do that. he's gotten better at figuring that out. that's like a new -- a new muscle that he has developed that he figures he can move through. and i think -- i think he has to take him at his word. >> you know, you were on -- the mueller investigation. i think people have to think about this as radically as it's being reported. right? i mean, there wouldn't be a mueller investigation. there wouldn't be a jeff sessions if he -- i mean, no one would last five minutes if they displeased him. he would nosh -- i mean, jim comey was fired for not letting mike flynn go. mike flynn would never be charged. i mean, it's such a departure from trump 1.0 and i think there are lots of areas that would be a million times worse and we focus a lot here on our alliances and pulling out of nato but this is one that demands our focus in this moment. >> so i think mike has it completely right. that there were people -- particularly at the start of

the trump sort of 1.0, administration, that just won't be there. jeff sessions, whether you agree or disagree with his political views, and what he wanted to do with the department. he understood it needed to be independent and as we reported in -- the mueller report, he himself gave the information about what it was that the president -- then president trump -- wanted him to do with respect to hillary clinton. and at that point he got rid of him and bill barr was his lackey. and that is what will be the scope of a trump 2.0. but you don't really have to worry about sort of like what would happen because you are seeing it right now. now there was all of the people who are -- who know much, much better and are going along with this. i keep on sort of using senator collins as an example. because she knows well that

this is -- fundamentally inconsistent with what it means to be a democracy. under the rule of law. and is not saying anything. and that is the road to hell for this country. and it's -- it's coming with such -- such poor grace at this moment when you have the department of justice prosecuting democrats. you have senator menendez on trial right now. you have hunter biden on trial right now. and so you understand why a defendant like defendant donald trump would have this grievance with respect to the justice system. but what is so anathema to the rule of law and to our remaining a rule of law country is all of the enablers who are going along, who don't see themselves as a jeff sessions or a don mcgahn. and are willing to be completely complicit with, you know, really the demise of this

country as a democracy. >> larry hogan, might have had the effect in another time to miller. focusing the mind of the republicans who are not enthusiastic about the country turning into an autocracy and i used to be able to name them. i'm not sure who they are anymore. i guess in a past life i might have thrown out names like kornyn. does he want the rule of law the die? he must. no one has said in defense of the three prosecutions going on right now. andrew named two. one of them is of menendez and the other of hunter biden and the other was alvin bragg's prosecution of donald trump on facts that are barely in dispute by anybody. but it not seen them. do you see anything different out there. >> here's a good frame to think about it. the big lie 1.0. the election lie. right? we all saw the damage that that

ended up -- damage that ended up being wrought because of big low 1.0. overwhelmingly the republicans went away with it. some kind of played it halfsy you know, mitch mcconnell didn't really want to talk about it. there were a couple of republicans that spoke out against -- most obvious ones were cheney and kinzinger. now we have the big lie 2.0 and big lie 2.0 is that donald trump was convicted because our justice system is rigged. that lie is just as pernicious and just as wrong as the first big lie. and this time -- every single republican is in lockstep with him. every single one. aminationed larry hogan and maybe throw mitt romney out there but even susan collins as andrew mentions. all of them are going along and most of them very happily, in echoing his talking points. and going after the jury. and going after merrick garland

and going after the fundamental american system of justice. and the -- end game of that is going to be the same as the end game of big lie 1.0. right? like the result is always the same. it's not going to be pretty and we don't exactly know if it will be a storming of the capitol or some other type of uprising but if people are told, you know, if half the country is being told by their media outlets and by the politicians a lie about how the justice system is broken and the government is coming for them, well, then some of them are going to fight back. like that -- that's just logical. and you know, any national security expert. they will tell you that. i know you have many of them on this show. that's the most pernicious thing about this and i think if you just look at the republican party as a whole, and you compare to the 2017 era that mike schmidt was talking about and how that many of them were kind of resisting trump a little bit. at some level. at some level and the big lie there were fewer but there was still some.

now there's -- essentially none. >> i mean, tom, it is the right frame to put around this. right? big lie 1.0 leads to the deadly insurrection and it's jim talking i'm thinking of stephen ayers the public hearing witness on january 6th who when asked under questioning he was there because trump asked him to be there you know. now -- his supporters are asking people to -- i want to quote them. steve bannon quote, of coursebragg should be and will be jailed. steve one of the top voices of maga told us. charlie kirk a fellow who's going to be talking to trump tomorrow, quote, how many republican das or ags have stones? what is that a synonym for cojones? >> i believe they relate to balls. >> indict the left or lose america. we know from southeastern ayers that when these folks speak and present themselves as speaking on behalf of donald trump, his

supporters follow. >> well, so -- several things to say here. one -- mike schmidt great statement at the table here. especially like in with the sleeves rolled up. no jacket on. anything this -- this is the hard working reporter right here. >> i look like reporter. >> that's what i'm saying. take a look at mike schmidt. two, i thought you were going to say when you mentioned three -- people under defense and prosecution right now. you mentioned trump who, you know, obviously ha all his issues but there's another democrat from south texas congressman. just indicted federal indictment on -- money laundering and bribery charges and -- on behalf of foreign government. he's now at risk democrat. again, federal -- the biden supposedly rigged system where the bidens control all the indictments for some reason are still targeting incumbent texas democratic congressman. now i'm not saying he shouldn't be indicted. i'm saying guys the federal process is still working. i think -- it's worth saying something one more thing about the example that mike gay and

that we've talked about here. because it's a very acute version of trump amnesia. i think if you went around to a lot of well educated people, and particularly a lot of the republicans we've been talking about who have had their qualms with trump and now kind of drifting back towards trump or have is. if you asked them and said hey you know, donald trump said lock her up. put hillary clinton in jail. they would say to you what they remember is yeah he said that during the campaign and as soon as he became president it didn't happen you know. trump says a lot of stuff. and then it doesn't happen. and i think it's -- as a political challenge for the biden campaign, and for anybody who cares about the future of democracy, explaining to people you know, people don't know this story. that's buried in the mueller report that's contained in there. even people who follow politics don't necessarily know the story. trump didn't just walk into the office and say now it's time to grow up. the campaign trail was one thing. now i'm president. he went into the oval office and wanted to do the thing he said he wanted to do over and

over again on the campaign trail. he said directly to hillary clinton's face on the debate and tried to do it and it was not like he put it aside. most people don't remember that. it's a key political challenge. on the broader scale of getting rid of -- trying to attack trump amnesia, these very specific things that the biden campaign has to do. and of course you should listen to steve bannon and steve miller, of course you could. should. because whatever you think of them they have been accurate predictors and forecasters of what would happen throughout the trump administration whether they were in his good graces or out of the good graces. in or out of the white house. steve bannon you know, in october 2020, sat down and, you know, with me on camera, on the circus and laid out what was going to happen after election day. brazenly just said it on camera. we're going to have fights in the counting room and this is going to go all the way to january 20th. we're going to get -- end up putting trump in office in the house of representatives. said it out loud. what he said that kind of thing

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during jim crow, the black family was together. during jim crow, more black people were not just conservative, black people always have been conservative minded. but more black people voted conservatively and then hew, linden johnson, and then you go down that road and now we are where we are. >> it's perverse talking about the jim crow era. like a better time. the good old days.

and that was not just anybody. that's byron donalds florida congressman and trump surrogate and contender for the republican party's vice presidential nomination after mike pence walked away and said no thank you. never, no now. not going to do it. this guy now seemingly pining for a time when black americans were actually literally second class citizens in america. i asked last night whether he getted saying the things and expressing a sentiments. byron insisted he never said or insinuated anything like nostalgia for the jim crow era an argument made more difficult by the fact that his comments were recorded on tv and we all said what he said. under jim crow the family was together and on and on. house minority leader hakeem jeffries took exception to the communities. here's his response on the house floor. >> mr. speaker it has come to my attention a so-called leader made the factually inaccurate statement that black folks were

better off during jim crow. that's an outlandish and outrageous and out of pocket observation. we would not better off when a young boy named emmett till could be brutally murdered without consequence because of jim crow. we were not better off when black women could be sexually assaulted without consequence because of jim crow. we would not better off when people could be systematically lynched without consequence. how dare you make such an ignorant observation? you better check yourself before you wreck yourself. >> you better check yourself before you wreck yourself. think they call that a mic drop moment. joining me at the table to talk about it all, democratic congresswoman jasmine crockett of texas. who's been dropping few mics of her own. >> listen, there's a clear reason why i prefer my leadership over the leadership that you see on the other side of the aisle.

and there's also a clear reason that republicans nowadays don't want us the understand history and know history or study history. >> yeah. >> and when you -- say ignorant things like what byron donalds does, it -- reminds me of uncle ruckus for those that are familiar with boondocks. that's what it looks like. it looks like it was uncle ruckus story time in which he believes if he just says the right things for say donald trump, then donald trump will pick him and i'm going to tell you right now, that the republican party will consistently reject black folk especially at the very top. it's one of the reasons that black people, even though he is right about something. black people traditionally are a lot more conservative than say where the party is. but we cannot change the fact that we are black and deciding we're going to side with the party that is going to side with the likes of the proud boys, the likes of -- the kkk.

the neonot ks, we cannot deck that. but we can exist in the same space with say people that are also enduring their own struggle and the fact that he decided to invoke lbj. the man who made sure that we got the civil rights act signed into law which was courageous in and of itself at that time. you look at the fang that we got that. and then you look at the current supreme court that's trying to roll everything back and you look at the current house and the senate. that refuses to make sure that we can get voting rights passed, the things that mlk marched for and so many others. the john lewises of the world. right now i know they're turning in their grave because we have a saying a lot of times is that -- we are our ancestors' wildest dreams and while i believe that, i believe that our ancestors are also looking at their worst nightmares and leading the pack

is byron daniels. >> what is giving legs to this -- even idea that trump has made some inroads in black community? >> so here's the deal. i think -- that there's a level of frustration when it's not made clear what the quote unquote black agenda is. and when you look at the numbers, you can talk about black men potentially falling off. i don't know that i really think that there's this great exodus going to trump. i think that if anything, some people are saying i'm not motivated because i'm not really feeling like i'm getting results from anybody when i vote. that's what i hear more of than say -- >> like being disenchanted and then -- on correction. you and the democrats -- the democrats in texas literally left to try to do something meaning. and this feeling that was not matched at a national level. >> exactly. that's exactly right. if anything i hear -- well, what are you all doing? or what's been done? and at least i have an administration that i can say this is what they're doing and three are the things that they've done and they've done great things. but if you have not told them

or if you are not experienced it -- for instance i can talk to you all day long about student -- debt relief -- i ain't got it just yet. but i do know people that have. right? and so it's -- up to me to say hey, talk to some of your friends because they have received it and how is it affecting or impacting their lives? >> yeah. i'm embarrassed to even ask you about this but i have to. because he's got such reach. joe rogan has this thing where you know, rappers are into trump now because he's a convicted felon. how crazy is that? >> listen, i don't believe the nonsense. [ laughter ] >> but how do you deal with it? because it's disinformation and he was a purveyor of it during covid-19 and had a health consequence and i think people knew what to do with it. but hakeem jeffries went to the floor to deal with this disinformation and the lie and there was a forum for smacking down a lie by one of the body when joe rogan was spreading disinformation about a health issue. that has to be dealt with. but how do you deal with disinformation about -- how people feel about trump being a

convicted felon? >> yeah, so -- listen. they can glorify it as much as they want to. but i can tell you as someone who's practiced criminal defense, that this ain't going to work. if anything it's going to backfire and i appreciate those that have -- decided to take to social media to ceylon, he is not like us. like he is not one of us. like he has been treated cleat completely differently. let me tell you never been a criminal defendant no matter what they've been charged with that i recommended that said, oh, yeah, let me just go talk noise about the judge. in fact, let me put that out on social media. let me say it in front of cameras. and think that's going to be okay. it's never okay. and this guy has been treated differently. >> for sure. all right, he talked about -- two tiered system of justice. he benefited from the tier that -- >> absolutely. >> it's so great to have you at the table. you please come back? >> yes. >> i feel like there are a million things every day that we need your voice on. >> yeah. >> okay. thank you for being here. congresswoman jasmine crockett. when we come back the grave threat that now faces our

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and the wake of the politically craven decision by house speaker mike johnson to appoint the pardon seeking scott per arery and trump's favorite doc ronnie jackson to serve on the house intelligence committee, both of whom were described as legislative terrorists by congressman gerry connolly. we are now learning that the decision didn't just come as a surprise to us and the intelligence community. but also to the republican chair of the committee. congressman mike turner who didn't even get a heads-up from speaker johnson. punch bowl news reports that turner found out they were being added through the press. according to them several members of the committee

republicans and democrats say they worry about the integrity of the panel in the wake of johnson's appointment of the pair. adding that the indignity of allowing turn tore find out about the decision from social media was salt in the wound. joining our conversation former assistant director for counterintelligence also the fbi, author of long haul, hunting the highway serial killers frank begluzzi and also the justice department msnbc legal analyst mary mccord. i start with you mary. let's put aside how unfit they are to handle state secrets and just deal with the risk that each of these men could be leveraged and could be compromised by their own exposure legally. i mean, perry's phones were seized and he has been in all of the testimony provided by the january 67th select committee and personally sought pardons. in his own mind has some concerns about criminal

exposure. ronnie jackson was demoted because of his own substance abuse and they seem like classic marks for american adversaries. >> they do and in fact, you know, the criteria for giving security clearances focuses in on the same kind of risks you were just identifying. and i think that -- i know this has been said before; i don't think either man would be able to get a security clearance i mean. one of the major adjudicated factors, the first adjudicated factor, is your allegiance to the united states. and criteria that would be disqualifying include sympathy for persons who have attempted to sort of overthrow the government operations. or make impossible to -- for the government to function. and these are things exactly that the january 6th rioters engaged in. and things that people like scott perry and ronnie jackson actually expressed support for. they also include things like

inappropriate sexual conduct and inappropriate drug use and inappropriate alcohol use and these kind of things. to get to your point the reason those are some of the criteria for a security clearance is because vulnerability on those factors does create a vulnerability to national security. and i mean, you know, they have their own personal concerns right now about potential liability and criminal and otherwise, they also are direct conduits to mr. trump. so you can imagine as the intelligence community is -- committee is trying to do its job and wants to hear from members of the intelligence community about threats across the spectrum whether it's malign foreign actors, potentially who are trying to interfere with our election. whether it's threats domestically for, you know, violence. political violence or others. you can imagine a potential reluctance to even share that information with the committee when two people on the committee are so compromised. and so i think -- we have to be

concerned about some sort of self-limiting of the -- the information that is shared and also -- you know, the fbi being concerned about taking any action and communicating it with the -- committee that that will put targets on their backs because we've seen them already have targets on their backs and i'm sure frank has things that he -- to say about that. >> so frank, i mean, christopher wray's current position has testified under oath on capitol hill and said january 6th was an act of quote domestic terrorism and notably -- ted cruz agreed at the time but then walked that back. on tucker carlson. that's another story. so if the current sitting trump appointed director of the fbi believes january 6th was domestic terrorism, what is he going to do with two members, this is -- this is perry's role? on january 6th and act described by the trump appointed fbi director as domestic terrorism. he had his phone seized by the fbi for his role in plotting to overturn the 2020 election. he took the lead in congress in

refusing to certify the election and chief act tex of the plot. the lead person trying to install jeffrey clark at the acting attorney general and sought a pardon for that behavior on january 6th. he brought the italy gate conspiracy into the mainstream in the oval office and didn't respond to a subpoena. ronnie jackson. attested to trump's -- destiny to live to 200. and a weight number that's closer to mine than trump's. was demoted from rear admiral to captain in the navy because of his drug and alcohol use. he was a failed trump nominee for the secretary of veterans affairs and he attended the stop the steal rally at the ellipse on january 6th. again, january 6th is defined by the current fbi director as quote, domestic terrorism. these two guys were on the intel committee now. >> yeah, this is -- this is the congressional version of the fox guarding the hen house. i can't overstate how

devastating this potentially is for the intelligence community. i have appeared before the senate and house intelligence communities multiple times in my role as head of counterintelligence after the fbi. and every time what i experienced was that there were not republicans and democrats on the committee. there were simply americans. and i often like to say that classified intelligence is the great equalizer. that regardless of party affiliation, once you see the threat and risk defined, all you want to do is defeat the threat and risk and support the intel community. did they ask me hard questions? you bet. and i had to have the answers. because but you are talking about committee members that literally review the budget and coming up of the budget by the way is classified even -- even black budgets. what does that mean? it means the public may never know if some of the members say we're nixing that program. you are not doing that. what would that look like? we really don't want you

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i just kept telling myself and my baby that i'm so sorry this has to happen to you. i was so sorry i couldn't help her and she had no mercy. there was no mercy there for her. >> my parents and josh's parents flew in from indiana. because -- they were afraid that it might be the last time they'd see me. >> i don't feel safe to have children in texas anymore. i know that -- it was very clear that my health didn't really matter. but -- my daughter's health didn't really matter. and that's heart-breaking. >> don't look away. trump's re-elected, that will be the life of every woman in america. they have their way. heart-breaking testimony about the nightmare that's happening right now. that's life right now in texas.

under their near total ban on abortions. that was amanda zurawski and fellow plaintiffs recounting their experiences losing their babies and then being denied emergency abortion care. when their pregnancies became nonviable. part of the lawsuit to get the state of texas to clarify, just how close to death a woman must be, or how fragile a pregnant woman's health has to be, before she can obtain an abortion. on friday, all republican texas supreme court said no, i don't think so. no clarification was provided and brad enough -- the supreme court blamed the women's doctors who risked life in prison and fines up to $100,000 and having their medical licenses taken away. they perform abortions in texas. for not providing them with care. they said that's their fault. state supreme court also held there's no right to an abortion for pregnancy with a baby will not surviving. quote -- as painful as such

circumstances are, the law does not authorize abortions for diagnosed fetal conditions absent a life-threatening complication to the mother. texas' been at the forefront of the anti-abortion fervor and the movement's war on reproductive health care. last week, the texas republican party which controls all statewide elected offices and has a supermajority in the state legislature endorsed a platform that called for abortion to be charged as a homicide. in texas, that means the death penalty. is a possible punishment. this is happening right now. joining our conversation amanda zurawski and she was the lead plaintiff in the texas abortion ban lawsuit. amanda, what do you do on this suit next? is there anywhere else to appeal these facts and this ban? >> that's a good question. first of all, thank you so much for having me back. it's always a pleasure to be here even though the

circumstances are not super happy this time. so -- as far as our suit, it feels like it's the end. right? there were 22 of us who were named in this suit and only a handful of us were even mentioned by name in -- in the supreme court's decision. and only one of us was found to have standing to continue the suit. and that person is a physician, not a patient. and you know, i will leave it to my brilliant lawyers with the center for reproductive rights on what's next and their legal strategy but for those of us who are patients and i will still say were harmed, it -- it feels like the end. i just don't know when the supreme court tells you you have no standing, that there's anything else you can do. and i think that's exactly the point. what are we supposed to do now. in texas. how -- how do we possibly have any recourse? because this is still happening. >> i think about you and i

think about the baby you lost, your daughter willow who you wanted so desperately. and i -- feel like there's a failure to focus. right? we live in this post-covid sort of untreated collective ptsd where we cannot focus on any one thing that hurts for too long because we're all still dealing with our own whatever. i wonder how you feel on the campaign trail. it feels like when you are there and people are foe dissed on this story you cannot look away. this could be anyone. this could be any one of our daughters or sisters. how does it feel out on the campaign trail? >> that's a good question. and it feels like -- a lot. it's -- you know, on the one hand, it's really hard because like i said, this is still happening. not just in texas. but in more and more places as more and more of these tray kenyan bans are being put in place across the country specifically in the south. and so -- every time we're out

and we're on the trail and we're telling our stories, inevitably people want to share their stories with us. and i will of course listen to every single person that wants to share. but it's heart-breaking. it's really and gut-wrenching to know that this is happening to so many people ever single day. so it takes it out of you but at the same time it's very motivating because people are still really fired up about this issue. people are putting in the work and we're seeing folks start to knock on doors and we're seeing phone banks. people are donating their time. and their money to this issue. and to this campaign. because folks across the country want to see reproductive justice restored and protected and the only person who's going to do that is president joe biden and so -- it's a little bit of everything. but i do remain -- i do remain hopeful. >> your voice and your story is so -- so vital. so important. you were uniquely powerful in the way you tell it but i mean

i was sort of getting it here. i wonder what that's taking out of you and your family. >> i would be lying if i said every day was easy. it's not easy. but this is the most important thing in the world to me right now. i will continue on the trail and just doing whatever i can to raise awareness and hopefully get votes and i'll be doing this until november. i think i have told you this before. it is exhausting. it -- puts me to bed at night but at the same time, it's the thing that gets me out of bed in the morning. because i just don't think there's anything more crucial going on in our country than this issue. and so -- i feel a very strong responsibility to continue this charge and continue this fight regardless of what happened with our lawsuit. i will still be here fighting for as long as it takes. this has been "prime weekend." i'm nicole wallace,. weekdays on msnbc tune in.

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