, that is something that can be appealed on the law. if there are legal mistakes that were made. the jury was instructed improperly on the law, is evidence was kept out that was material, improperly. those kinds of things can be appealed and it can take quite some time. so there is recourse there. so it's really complicated. let me just say, thank you so much to our incredible team. it is really great to be here, nerdy out with lawyers and all of us having been in the courtroom. thanks so much for your perception and insight and personal stories. and thank all of you for spending the last hour with us. if you can't get enough trump news, and you want to take even deeper, try the msnbc podcast, hosted by mary mccord and me. have a great night.

okay, -- a joe biden and donald trump spent their time this week a little bit differently. one was overseas speaking forcefully about defending democracy. the other was here at home, talking about all the ways he intends to dismantle it. the co-chair of the biden- harris campaign and he is coming up first plus a working exclusive from nbc news just in the last few minutes. donald trump will sit down with a probation officer tomorrow andrew wiseman is going to tell us what to expect. also today, four it's really hostages rescued, and scores of palestinians killed in the process. we'll talk about where things go from here. later, two trump loyalists is installed in the house intelligence committee as the former president is the has. the ranking democrat on that

committee, and my guest have some thoughts. overseas. it's one of those things that may feel very far away, in more ways than one, it's not wa something that warrants as much as your attention as issues that they may be grappling with at home but this was different because biden's trip to normandy this week to commemorate the 80th anniversary of d-day was an important reminder of why the values of the leader of the free world really do matter especially today. >> isolationism was not the answer 80 years ago and is not

the answer today, the autocrats of the world are watching closely to see what happens in ukraine, to see if we let this illegal aggression go unchecked, we cannot let that happen. to surrender to bullies, it's simply unthinkable. >> i mean those words you just heard from president biden have always been true and in delivering his message the next day the president also sees the mantle of the guy who used to be the hero of the republican party now all of you history buffs out there likely caught this in the moment but biden's speech was delivered at the sp very same spot where president ronald reagan famously renewed america's commitment to freedom and democracy 40 years ago.

that wasn't an accident. and to hear both of them now side-by-side, you would think they are almost completing each other sentences as they speak about the sacrifice of those ab brave soldiers and the role of american leadership in the world. >> the rangers who scaled this cliff didn't know they were changing the world but they did. >> let us show them by our actions that we understand what they died for. ha >> they are asking us to do our job, protect freedom and defend democracy. >> democracy is worth dying for because it's the most deeply honorable form of government ever devised by man. >> we often talk about the ideals of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, but we don't talk about how hard it is. how many ways we are asked to walk away. >> we have learned that isolationism never was and never will be a response to tyrannical governments. >> does anyone believe spthese rangers would want america to

go it alone today? >> let us continue to stand for the ideals for which they lived and died. >> president biden and reagan disagreed on a lot but all of this is just a reminder of how aligned both political parties have been on core principles for decades. because this is the brand of american resolve and values that presidents are known for, on both sides of the aisle, s most of them at least, with one obvious exception, in stark contrast with president biden, donald trump is selling and apocalyptic vision of america and here's hoping the voters forget the values that have long made our country great. he sees a path to victory not by celebrating the country he wants to lead but by denigrating it. >> we've become a failing nation, we are a nation in tremendous trouble. we are in a failing nation

right now and it's only getting worse. >> we have a very sick country, we are a failed nation. >> the truth is donald trump couldn't really care less about preserving the values that the united states has long stood for through many presidents of both parties and this campaign isn't about preserving our freedom, it's about preserving his own, not about upholding american rightness, it's about staying out of prison. this is why the country trump disguised is virtually undescribable by the one that was by reagan and biden and ga those in between. the pride and optimism is now an long gone in the republican party. trump is the same guy who couldn't be bothered to pay hish respects at an american cemetery in france, the same me one that biden visited just this morning. trump is the same guy who called the veterans who sacrificed their lives, suckers

and losers, that's a direct quote, just let that sink in for a moment. right now, we are five months away from the presidential election and there's a big choice out there between one candidate, who knows america is already great and another, who calls it a failure, one who honors our allies and one who heralds our enemies, one who wants to uphold the legacy of d- day and one who wants to squander it. when we are presented with the contrast that contrast with the stakes as high as they are, we all need to take note. joining me now is national culture for the biden/harris campaign, mitch landry. i want to start out with what i laid there. what struck this week was of course the echoes of reagan, it's a urclear reminder to me a many people of how far from our american values trump's values are and part of the message is about fighting for something bigger than yourself as these rangers did. so i wanted to ask you, what is

the campaign hoping people watching from home, people who are just tuning in, may take away from the speeches that the president gave this week? >> it's great to be with you and thank you, i was mesmerized by the trip this week commemorating the 80th anniversary of the most heroic day in the history of the world those young men scaled that incredible battlefield and fought tyranny and the president went there to remind americo what sacrificing for democracy really looks like but he was standing on the shoulders not just of ronald reagan but of franklin delano roosevelt and of course, general eisenhower who was a ge supreme commander who later became the president who was a republican. and here's the big idea, america is the greatest country that ever was, and it's because,

we've built on the greatest idea that we all come to the table of democracy as equals and we have to defend democracy against autocracy. for some insane reason republican party now has as its head, a guy that wants to turn that idea on its head, become an isolationist, get rid of nato, that has preserved peace over time and it is true based on donald trump's actions in the last couple of years that democracy is at risk abroad and at home, and you've seen it time and time again so this e election is a real decision between autocracy and democracy and notwithstanding the fact that trump is now a convicted criminal, somebody declared to be a sexual abuser, now somebody who's considered to be having judgments against him, this man continues to talk in a way that is completely antithetical and unhinged from what the world knows about america and of course what americans value in themselves so this choice is a choice between a guy that gets up and

who thinks about the american people versus a guy who want to tell you everything in the world is going to hell because g that's what he sees when he looks in the mirror. >> there are key moments in elections as you and i both know, the debate is of course one of them that's coming up in 18 days, i'm the first to say, there's a lot of business to do, draw the contrast that you just said, and remind voters but one thing everyone is watching us how the president will talk about trump's convictions, you just um referenced it. it's part of his story. we learned trump is going to sit down with his probation si officer tomorrow. how will the president talk about all of this in the debate in 18 days.

>> can we just stop on the fact, i'll talk about the debate in the second but a guy that wants to be president of the united states has to sit down with his probation officer, that is just an astounding statement that sometimes people walk by. i don't think most americans are going to walk by that, we can always have a debate about how big the country or small it should be but at the end of the day the president of the united states is a person is supposed to have wisdom, character, judgment and he's supposed to reflect the best that america has to offer and when you put these two men next to each other, and in my opinion, it's not much of a choice, even people who disagree with some of joe biden's policies have tod agree that his character, his wisdom and his judgment are just much more reflective of great american values and i believe during this debate joe e biden will take it to donald trump. remember he's the only politician standing that's ever beat donald trump, he bit -- beat him by 8 million votes, trump is a loser, and at the end of the day biden has debated trump and beat him

twice. i'm fully confident that the president will do the same thing on election day. when americans have to choose between the right way to do things on the wrong way, they are going to choose a future for america that make sense for who we've always been and who we want to be. >> i definitely don't think we should whistle past the probation officer meeting. i'm glad you called that out. chris christie had debate advice basically saying the president shouldn't engage about his record or his family,

what do you think about that? >> which president is he w talking about, trump? because when his lips are moving -- >> of course he is, he's giving advice to joe biden, about ignoring trump's lies and his attacks on his family, biden's family members in a debate, what do you think about that? >> i understand that, listen, the president, joe biden, everybody knows about his story, before he was even sworn in his wife and child were killed and two of his sons were left, biden went home every night and took care of those kids, one of the kids subsequently died as you know tragically from brain cancer and hunter as you know had a huge problem with substance abuse. the thing that draws me to the story is not about hunter biden, he's not running for bi president, donald trump is running for president but what it tells me about joe biden is joe biden is a great human being who loves his son unconditionally, even in his son's darkest times, joe biden has never left his son behind. so people who talk about joe biden in a way that makes him look old or something like

that, he shows up every day, fighting for people and fighting for this country. that's the joe biden who is going to take it to trump and beat him in the debates and the election. donald trump is a loser. the american people are good people and they don't believe this country has gone down and they will lift this country up with joe biden. >> always a pleasure talking to you, thanks for taking the time this afternoon. >> thank you, jen, good to be with you. a bizarre facebook post about a juror letter from judge merchan and a friday night rc freak out over something that can be absolutely nothing. more on the breaking news that trump will sit down with an interview with a probation officer tomorrow. andrew wiseman is coming up next. we will be right back.

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here's a bit of a mystery and intrigue late friday, in a letter to the prosecution and the defense team, the judge find a post on facebook from a user who claimed to have advanced knowledge of the jury's decision. the post said my cousin is a juror and says trump is getting convicted, thank you folks for all your hard work exclamation

point. nbc news has not verified the claim and the post has been deleted but it sparked a temporary frenzy of speculation about the potential of juror misconduct. if a juror really did share information with a cousin or with anyone, it could give trump a pretext to contest the verdict but there's some reasons to doubt the credibility of the claim in the facebook post. the user describes himself as a professional trash poster but he used a different word. and a subsequent post told people to quote take it easy suggesting that his online commentary is intentionally designed to cause a reaction in other words, it seems there's a good chance this was just a prank. of course, that didn't stop trump from seizing upon the post

to jesting the verdict was unfair. he weighed in with a single word, mistrial and trump's allies of course like sean hannity got a little ahead of their skis. >> okay, was the fix in from the beginning, is this cause for a mistrial, i would assume a motion for mistrial is being written as we speak. >> that's not cause for a mistrial, i don't know what is, that's what sean hannity says, joining me now is andrew weissmann , okay, we are going to take a quick rake and we will be right back. right back

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we had a momentary technical difficulty, we love talking to andrew weissmann, he's the former top prosecutor under robert mueller and an msnbc legal analyst, thank you again for dealing with the technical issues, let me start with the outline of the news i went through before the quick break. knowing what we know now about this facebook post and all the details around it, what do you think happened here? >> so i'm actually a little surprised that in that five week trial that was so high- profile that we haven't had these issues before. i've done a whole series of profile matters, there's always allegations with respect to the jury, both sides were reporters or people up to no good, doing

research on the jurors, allegations come out whether they were honest in their statements to the court in connection with the jury selection process, or whether they started deliberating before they were supposed to or something that was alleged to have happened during deliberations. there's almost something where you lose jurors or there's some kind of allegation afterwards and judges have to deal with that. and so, i've been surprised that we kept all of the jurors for the entire trial and you know, there are a lot of bad actors out there with motives to try and do research on the jurors and that has not happened. this has all of the indicia of being fake including the person basically saying that recently, that they were trash posting, again, i'm using their words,

their own words, so it doesn't seem like this is anything, the judge did exactly what you are supposed to do, make sure that both sides are aware of it and now it's donald trump's team, if they wanted to submit something on it, they can, i don't think this is the one for people to go down the route of fox news clips that people were playing. i just wasn't surprised by this i was more surprised with the fact that it hadn't happened yet. >> that's an important reminder and obviously there will be more and more efforts to try and do this right before we came on the air, there was an exclusive reporting by nbc news that trump is scheduled for a zoom interview with the probation officer tomorrow, it's over zoom which i think isn't typical but how do you expect this to go and what are you watching for?

>> the manner is certainly not normal, usually it's in person, not by zoom but you can imagine because of secret service, et cetera, that accommodations have been made, this is one where donald trump really, it's his to lose, you know, there's nothing wrong with his telling a probation office i didn't do anything wrong and i'm not admitting guilt and i'm planning on appealing, that's every dependent, they have a right to do that but if you start saying the kind of things that he's been saying during the trial or after the trial and attacking the jurors and the witnesses the judge, family members, to foment an anti-law enforcement sentiment, that's not going to go that well, to say the least.

he will also be asked a lot about his personal finances in terms of paying a fine, he will be asked about whether he is associating with criminals, and it's kind of remarkable, it's just the kind of thing that you focused on with your last guest but he will have to talk about whether he communicates with roger stone, steve bannon, remember those people have been found guilty by a jury and are felons themselves, so that's another area where the probation department could ask questions. >> now when you say it could not go well, what could be the impact of this meeting, what will we care after it's over? >> this is a standard part of sentencing where the probation department, they're sort of an arm of the court and they give a private confidential report to the judge, so we will not directly see it, we may hear

about it through the parties, but this is a report that's given to the judge, both sides should have access to challenge any statements, but it's basically allowing the court to learn more information about a defendant, in connection with donald trump, you could be saying, well how much more, what more do they need to know. but he has not been through this process and so this is part of what probation does with any defendant and most are not well known to the sentencing judge, but here, there are as i mentioned, the, well like associating with known felons, that's not something we heard about directly, i could imagine a

judge or at least probation being interested in his statements with respect to jurors and witnesses and what if anything he's planning on doing in connection with that regard. >> andrew weissmann, always grateful, thank you for dealing with the technical issues and just being here. >> there's a story that's been on my mind, i mean the summer olympics as you all know is coming up, it's 50 days away and right now course the focus should be on the athletes preparing, getting their city ready, paris, to host the world but russia has other plans. according to an intelligence report, they have fired up there this information apparatus in an attempt to

undermine the upcoming games and of course france. it's worth noting, russia is banned from competing due to their ongoing invasion of ukraine. but this disinformation campaign seems to have to clear big objectives, the first is denigrating the international olympic committee and the second is creating the expectation of violence breaking out in paris like this big fear mongering tactics that we've seen before. so how are they doing this? according to report, beginning last summer, pro-kremlin social media account began promoting a series of videos including a feature-length documentary attacking the leaders of the international olympics committee called, olympics has fallen, the stake documentary is narrated by an ai generated voice of tom cruise but tom cruise had nothing to do with it, his voice and likeness were basically stolen and its intro even spoofs or imitate netflix and their iconic branding. pro-kremlin actors use the site, cameo, to deceive american celebrities into

recording videos and edited them to make the videos look like endorsements for this fake documentary. a tactic by the way the kremlin backed actors have used to push anti-ukraine propaganda around the world and it all sounds a little sophisticated, pretty sophisticated and kind of hard for average people to make sense of and differentiate but that's why it's so dangerous. it's all just a piece of putin's effort to undermine the paris olympics. they've also pushed fear mongering videos pretending to be legitimate news sources in order to dissuade people from coming to the olympics and one particular clip, impersonating a french broadcaster, the russian created disinformation falsely claimed 24% of purchased tickets for olympic events had been returned to two fears of terrorism. russian disinformation actors produced fake press releases posing as none other than the cia and the french intelligence

service warning attendees to stay away from the olympics due to again, alleged risk of a terror attack in fact one larger aspect of russia's campaign dubbed, doppelgdnger is focused on cloning spoofs of reputable media outlets making it so much more confusing and using those fake sites to push pro-russian disinformation. some of the most worrying disinformation has looked to impersonate militant organizations and fabricate threats to the games admit that tensions felt around the world due to the isreal-hamas war. it appears also these images

may have been ai generated. microsoft did not observe any confirmation that the graffiti exists, suggesting the images were likely digitally generated. what's important to remember is this kind of russian disinformation is not actually isolated to the paris olympics, we've seen similar operations before here in the united states for years, of course the kremlin targeted the 2016 presidential election and there's no doubt they are attempting to interfere again leading up to the 2024 election and for the last several months i posed that question about that threat and the threat it poses over and over again to current and former security officials and this is what they have said repeatedly. >> i hope our intelligence community is equipped to

respond maybe better than we did in 2016 but they will come through with this election. >> the russians have proven themselves to be adept at interfering and hippie has a chance he will do it again. >> do you think they will intervene in our election again? >> they are already intervening in our election. that is happening now. >> the consensus there from people who know well is putin will try and interfere in our election again and seeing how they have targeted the olympics it should be a wake-up call to with the kremlin and putin are capable of. and the lengths they will go to undermine the western pro- democracy forces. coming up, someone once investigated by the fbi wouldn't be my first choice to sit on the house intel committee but it's apparently not a problem for house speaker johnson. i will talk about his decision to install two trump loyalists. jim himes joins me jihinext.

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a lot happening in the world but this week house speaker johnson appointed a couple of diehard trump loyalists to the intelligence committee and we should pay attention to this for couple of reasons, the intel committee handle some of the most sensitive classified information there is. speaker johnson appointed election denying congressman scott perry and alleged abuser ryan jackson to that committee. let me tell you, those are

problematic characters to have access to our nations top secrets prepare he was a bit of a poster boy for trump's efforts to prevent the 2020 election victory of biden. the fbi actually confiscated his phone for his role in that plot. the nurse congressman jackson, the former white house physician and member of the u.s. navy who was stripped of his military rank for allegedly making sexual and denigrating comments about a female colleague and abusing prescription medication. he has called the accusations politically motivated which sounds an awful lot like something donald trump would say and that brings us why to the appointments are so egregious. republican chair of the intel committee, turner didn't even

know about these appointments because the speaker of the house went around his own chairman at the behest of trump according to that report and the speaker is playing politics with this committee at a time when our intelligence committee is dealing with threats from a range of places, russia, china and engaged in high-stakes operations across two worlds. we are learning a u.s. assisted in providing intel that helped in the hostage rescue, so my point is the stakes are high, to lawmakers who oversee that committee, they have important roles and by appointing trump acolytes, johnson is signaling that he's more interested in appeasing trump. congressman jim himes is the ranking democrat on the house intelligence committee. i want to start with the news from over the last 24 hours about the release or the

rescuing of these four hostages. we've seen those videos, incredibly touching but jake sullivan this morning acknowledged a cease-fire and hostage deal is the best way to get the remaining hostages out in addition to of course ending the war and i wanted to ask you, can the rest of the hostages be rescued through military operations and how concerned are you if that is the planned approach, especially given the civilian death toll that we saw with this operation? >> good to be with you, jen, the rescue operation was a remarkable operation, you know, in the tradition of israeli special forces going back to the raid, where they rescued civilians from a hijacked airliner in africa. but the answer to the question is no, there's simply no way you know, these operations succeed because of explicit planning, luck is not always on your side, anybody who needs a reminder that, you just watch

the mogadishu operation so that's not an option, the only option is of course, for all parties to agree to a cessation of hostilities and a release of hostages and you know, i know that bill burns and others are working on that but that's a heavy lift. >> prime minister benjamin netanyahu is addressing congress next month, and the united states and even leaders in israel, have been pressing him for a clear plan on how he will end the war and what will happen in gaza on the day after. he seems to be ignoring these please, while also proceeding with the military campaign. is there more leverage that the united states should be using

to push benjamin netanyahu to make the plan and what you hope to hear from him when he is here next month? >> yeah, i mean of course there is more leverage, and it's terribly painful to talk about much less apply, right because israel was attacked here and i've been critical of the way they have conducted the war and there's plenty of room to be critical about that but at the core of this is the fact that there's no way for israel to win this, purely militarily, hamas, disgusting terrorism though they may be, have a vision for a future and it's a dark and horrible vision but my complaint with the prime minister apart from the way he's conducted this war without enough attention to the humanitarian situation is that he has offered no alternative vision, he shot down the concept of a two state solution. you can't win this unless you put forward some sense of hope for the future on the part of palestinians, if you don't do

that, they will adhere to the disgusting and dark vision that hamas or others offers and it's time for the prime minister to actually engage in what the future of the palestinian people might and should look like. >> which he seems resistant to do. let me turn to the intel appointments because you've spoken about this a little bit. i believe you have a great deal of respect for the chairman, turner, it sounds like he learned about the appointments of the committee through news reports, have you talked to him, is that true? >> i don't want to get into my private discussions with the chairman. one of the reasons i don't want to is because chairman turner and i have worked hard to reestablish the intelligence committee as a context where we are laser focused probably never more critical job of making sure the intelligence committee is doing what it's doing. in the service of that i'm not going to open fire on these two new appointments but i will just observe that for generations, speakers of both

parties have appointed the most serious minded, the least flammable and volatile members and now we see the appointment of two people with a history of i would argue putting donald trump's interest ahead of the national interest. i won't go further than that because i'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt whether they deserve it or not in the service of trying to keep this committee functional but you know donald trump from the moment he became president showed his disdain for the intelligence community as well as the truth that they are all about providing to power, so this is very concerning particularly when you saw congress and perry's statement about now the committee will finally do real oversight, what a real insult to chairman turner so fingers crossed, but it's not a happy day for me,

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axis. in louisiana a bill to enshrine birth control was killed. in missouri republican lawmakers blocked a bill to widen access to birth control pills by falsely claiming they induce abortions. a cosponsor of the bill was republican state representative tara peters is not a supporter of abortion rights but according to her it was republican men in the state house who killed this legislation related to access to birth control. she said it surprises me the ones that know nothing about these types of things are the ones that are making the decisions, very well said. joining me now is representative peters. thank you for joining me. i read this quote earlier and i said i want to talk to her and

hear more about this. i mean, you alluded to a lack of understanding or how i heard it was a lack of understanding of how contraception works among opponents of this bill, which i thought was such an interesting call out, what do they not understand. >> jen, actually the bill was very simple, one page, it allowed a woman who had a year supply of an already -- it was an annual supply, simple bill, does not always mean less complicated, i thought this would be a shoe in and we were going to go with the committee and the disinformation started being spread and at first i thought they just need to be educated so we created material, we went before the committee trying to explain the difference and initially, once the education was proposed and then they were still making

roadblocks then there was something that was a lot deeper than that and so very surprised again, that even after education, there was still a chance to stop this legislation. >> it's surprising and birth control and access to it is broadly supported by members of both parties, it's not a controversial issue among the public. where is this information coming from? >> i try and put my feelers out and the only thing i can think of is that it's a lot easier for the base to just go along with the base as opposed to understanding and and i think that we lose it sometimes when we think that we are representing all of our constituents, not just the ones that are our party base so i think that has been forgotten a little bit. i was maybe -- never able to

pinpoint it, why the efforts continued, but anyway, just again, it's not rocket science, there is science to it, the contraceptive actually prevents pregnancy and i don't understand why that is so complicated. >> you just noted why it's so important for people to have access, what do you make of this pattern that is happening in your state and other states where there is efforts to block access to contraception or to bills like yours that are trying to protect women's rights? >> we just passed legislation to make marijuana legal in our state, right, there are millions of women in this country, why is this a topic that we are preventing access to contraception? i understand in missouri we are a non-abortion state and i'm very pro-life but we need to

make sure we are giving women the tools that they need to prevent pregnancy and this should not be a fight in this country, they should be easily things that we make a priority for. >> i think so many americans would agree with you, women, men and others so thank you for joining me today. this story stuck out to me and i really wanted to talk to you about it. i got one more thing to tell you about before i go today, we are back after a r quick break. quick break. known as a loving parent. known for lessons that matter. known for

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