>> reporter: an incredible act of kindness making a huge impact for the rest of his life. >> what kind of person would do that? what kind of person are you? why would you do this? >> i'm a helper. and knowing him was just a huge bonus for us. and so, it is going to be nice to be able to see him grow up and he can make another difference in the world somehow. >> and that wraps up the hour for me. i'm jose diaz balart, you could reach me on social media at jd ball art. and watch clips from our show on youtube. thank you for the privilege of your time. andrea mitchell reports picks up with more news right now. right now on andrea mitchell reports, the hunter biden gun trial is coming to an end with closing arguments just moments away. and jury deliberations right after that.

we'll have a live report from wilmington in moments. also former president donald trump sits for a virtual probation hearing following his felony conviction in new york. just a day after telling a rally that he supports violent criminal offenders from january 6. >> there has never been people treated more horrifically than j-6 hostages. >> those j-6 warriors, they were warriors but they were more than anything else, they're victims of what happened. and a return of four israeli hostages held for eight months by hamas. a key ally in netanyahu's war cabinet resigns. what benny gantz said about the primary's execution of war as the u.s. considers unilateral talks with hamas to bring american hostages home. something andrea asked secretary blinken about today. >> my top priority always is to

bring americans home, the most effective way to do that, to achieve them is through the proposal on the table. so, let's see if we get an answer from hamas. ♪♪ good to be with you. i'm katy tur, andrea is traveling with the secretary in the middle east and presses ahead with cease-fire talks in gaza. here at home, closing arguments will be delivered shortly in the hunter biden felony gun trial. the jury will receive its instructions and begin deliberations later today after the prosecution and the defense rests their cases. the president's son did not take the stand in his own defense. hunter biden is accused of knowingly lying about his substance abuse when he bought a gun there 2018. but his attorney failed to have the word knowingly added to the verdict form today. hunter biden's daughter naomi

testified friday that her father was on the road to recovery around the time of the gun purchase. that it was, quote, the clearest she'd seen him since the death of beau biden. but hunter's ex-girlfriend said he smoked crack, in her words, every 20 minutes or so. he faces up to 25 years behind bars if he is convicted. nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian joins us from outside of the courthouse in wilmington, delaware. and also with us, chuck rosenberg and senior fbi official. so ken, bring us up to speed. >> reporter: well, as you said, we expect closing arguments to commence very shortly. and then at some point after that, we're not sure how long those arguments will take, the jury will get the case. and it is been a difficult defense, i would say, for the hunter biden team. they called three witnesses and then unexpectedly cut their defense short on friday.

after that testimony that you referenced by hunter biden's older daughter, appeared to back fry on cross-examination. she did a good job on in her initial testimony of humanizing hunter biden. she said sh some tears as she was speaking and said he was doing well when he bought the gun. but on cross-examination, she was confronted with an anguish text message exchange with evidence that he was meeting with drug dealers and she didn't know where he was at all types and nobody on the biden team was happy after she left the stand and they decided not to call james biden who was expected to testify and then -- then they rested their case. they raised reasonable doubt about whether hunter biden was using drugs on or about the time he bought the gun. there is no explicit testimony, there is no photos, no eyewitnesses saying he was using drugs. but there are text messages, very suggestive ones of him meeting with drug dealers, of

him being at a 7-eleven and some of that came in the rebuttal case, but it was last thing the jury heard, testimony from an fbi agent talking about hunter biden being at a 7-eleven the day before he bought that gun and then in his memoir talking about buying drugs at a 7-eleven. so a lot of circumstantial evidence there, remains to be seen what the jury does with this case. >> and talking about the closing argument and instructions and then the jury instructions, which we'll get chuck offer this closing arguments. one of the things that the defense was unable to get on the jury form was the word "knowingly." does that matter? >> well, look, the government does have to prove that mr. biden's actions were intentional and that wasn't the result of a mistake. but it seems to me, katy, that he will properly instruct the jury so i wouldn't make too much of that. this is not a novel statute. federal judges have a lot of experience with it, so do

prosecutors and i don't think the judge is making any new law here or that she erred in fashioning the instructions. >> what is the deal with giving instructions before closing arguments, check? is that standard in federal court? >> it is. and i think it is advantageous. that is what i'm used to, katy. but i like to have the judge instruct the jury first. then i could tell the jury in my closing, as the judge just instructed you, here are the elements. and then i could argue what facts prove those elements. so, i always thought it was helpful, not everyone judge does it the same way. you won't see it done the same way in every court. but that is fairly typical in federal court and fairly typical based on my own experience as a federal prosecutor. >> so, ken, at issue here is this gun and the buying of this gun and the prosecution argues that he knew he should not have bought this gun and he was on drugs at the time and he was on drugs. if he is found guilty today, is there a chance that he could be

taken away in handcuffs today before the sentencing? >> that is extremely unlikely, katy, given that he has no prior criminal record and this is not a crime of violence. what is more likely to happen is that the judge would set a sentencing date. there is generally a two to three-month window between conviction and sentencing and during that time the probation office will prepare a presentence report that includes intimate details about hunter biden and his life and involve an interview with hunter biden. and then at some point, he would be sentenced. and while the justice department said in a news release the maximum penalty is 25 years in prison, that is not going to happen in this case. it depends on what sentencing guidelines say and we don't know what those are yet. but one defense attorney did a back of the envelope attorney said they might be around a year there prison. but that doesn't mean that hunter biden would get any prison time at all. a lot depends on other factors that go into this and he has no prior criminal record. >> you're talking about the

probation report and interview, that is what donald trump is doing today virtually at least here in new york city. we'll get to that in a couple of minutes. but chuck, i want to talk about what is next for hunter biden. he's going to face a verdict in this case. maybe today, maybe tomorrow. we'll see how long the jury deliberates. but after that there is a tax case that he's facing and that goes to trial in september? >> that is exactly right, katy. so he has been indicted twice in two federal jurisdictions. the cases are only related in the sense that it is the same defendant, hunter biden, but he has to face those charges as well. a conviction here seems to me more likely than not. the case went in for government and from what i've read of the indictment pending against him in california, it also seems reasonably straightforward. so there is more jeopardy ahead for mr. biden. >> chuck rosenberg and ken dilanian, thank you very much. and coming up next, antony

blinken pushes for a cease-fire while in israel as the u.s. considers unilaterally talking to hamas about getting americans out of gaza. andrea mitchell will join us from israel in just 90 seconds, only here on msnbc. ♪ home internet with 5g. ♪ wait! t-mobile has home internet? ♪ what a feeling! ♪ ♪ to have t-mobile now! ♪ power e*trade's award-winning trading app makes trading easier. with its customizable options chain, easy-to-use tools and paper trading to help sharpen your skills, you can stay on top of the market from wherever you are. e*trade from morgan stanley power e*trade's easy to-use tools make complex trading less complicated. custom scans can help you find new trading opportunities, while an earnings tool helps you plan your trades and stay on top of the market. e*trade from morgan stanley

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a unilateral deal with hamas to secure the release of americans being held hostage in gaza. two current and two former senior u.s. officials tell nbc news that this could happen if the country cease-fire talks involving israel fail. andrea mitchell is traveling with secretary of state antony blinken who just arrived in tel aviv following meetings in egypt. she asked him about the plan on the tarmac in cairo today. >> the best way, the most effective way to get everyone home, including the american hostages, is through this proposal. is through the cease-fire deal on the table right now. that is what we're focused on and determined to do. >> if that is your top priority, wouldn'tin direct talks for the americans to at least bring those americans home. >> again, my top priority, always, to bring americans home and because of that, the most effective way to do that, to achieve that, could get them home is through the proposal on the table. so let's see if we get an answer

from hamas. >> foreign correspondent andrea mitchell will join us from tel aviv in a moment. but we start with the carnegie endowment with aaron david miller. who spent decades at the state department where he helped develop u.s. policy on the middle east and served as a senior adviser for arab israeli negotiations. it is good to have you, as always. let's talk about this unilateral deal that the u.s. is considering with hamas to get the americans back. why would they do there alone. >> it is tricky and this is a contingency in the event that -- as the interview suggests, there is still the possibility of a contingency. it was a hamas offer and an effort to split the u.s. and israel and bring greater pressure to bear on the netanyahu government. and what would the united states

be prepared to pay hamas for the return of five americans. dual nations, i think, most and the remains of three others that i think the administration believes are no longer alive. i mean, fraught and intriguingly, they didn't say no. >> the fact that it would even be out there says a lot about where the united states relations with israel is right now. and to your point about what the u.s. could offer, that is my question. what would hamas want from the u.s. in order to release those hostages? maybe it is just a visual negotiating directly with the united states. andrea mitchell is joining us as well. she's gotten her connections all worked out. thank you for being here. talk to me about what aaron was just saying. the secretary didn't rule out this reporting from nbc news. >> no, he did not. other senior officials here are

denying it, saying that there is -- as you pointed out, what could the u.s. offer hamas. we don't have any prisoners to trade and it could be also very politically toxic for them to deal even indirectly with hamas as you know, that is a big issue in the past when they try to deal indirectly with iran. it is clear the secretary did not rule it out, and he's putting his focus on trying to get there deal. but one other piece of this was that he said that prime minister netanyahu who is meeting with him right now in jerusalem, is meeting this deal. the u.s. has said, the president said this is an israeli proposal. now netanyahu has given no indication and even more so than ever now that he has to rely on these very hard right members of hi cabinet, because of the vindication of benny gantz over

the very issues of no future plan by netanyahu, to willingness to put hostages first and no willingness to get a cease-fire. so today again the secretary said that netanyahu has agreed to this. i asked him, what evidence there is of that. let's watch. >> mr. secretary, you say that everyone but hamas has agreed to this. netanyahu has certainly said other weiss publicly and the hostages families are saying we should try everything if this fails. >> first, let me be clear, israel has accepted the proposal. in fact, they were critical there putting it forward. so the only party -- that is what -- that is what the official position of the israeli government is and the prime minister. so the only party that has not accepted, the only party that has not said yes is hamas. >> reporter: so, again, he's

saying that netanyahu has agreed to this. there is no public statement from netanyahu saying that. but there is always a possibility, aaron, you would know from having negotiating these deals for so many years, whether that is possible, that netanyahu is just holding firm publicly to pressure hamas. that said, since january, i've been on these trips, this is his eighth shuttle, the secretary of state, and each time he has come talking about the day after, talking about the palestinian state, something that is now completely ruled out and talking about what is in it for israel. get out of gaza, to not be left holding the bag. to have arab leaders focusing on reformed palestinian authority and that is a big step also because there is no sign of that. but he has talked to every arab leader and the g7 has endorsed the plan. you know, it is universally endorsed as he pointed out today and now this is time, now or never to get it done. and he said that is the answer

to this excruciating horrific number of casualties over the weekend and keep occurring as this war continues. >> aaron, talk to us about that. as andrea just so rightly noted, the secretary of state could say that the prime minister agrees but the prime minister has never said that publicly. >>s it an israeli proposal and the fact of the matter is the prime minister has never publicly come out and challenge it directly. his spokesperson has. he's found indirect ways of questioning, it is a partial deal. not everything has been revealed. we have additional concerns about hamas's future after the deal is consummated. but, look, i think that -- andrea knows and katy, we talked about this before, what determines a negotiation success is urgency. there has to be sufficient pain an the prospects of gain on the

part of two major parties to this negotiation. and frankly, sadly, tragically, the reality is right now there is only one party that has the kind of urgency required and that is the biden administration. these negotiations typically have two speeds, slow and slow. this is not a normal negotiation. in direct between two parties that want to kill each other and the palestinian decision makers sitting in a tunnel somewhere probably surrounded by hostages and 20 to 30 meters below ground. the egyptians and the qataris have different motives and interests in this and right now i'm afraid the secretary, to no fault of his own, is on a mission. >> benny gantz retired from the war cabinet and did so, because he said, the prime minister is not executing the war correctly

and has to plan for the day after. after the defense minister notably did not express any support of the prime minister. he said he expressed support for the idf and the security apparatus. but not nor the prime minister. >> and, in fact, tonight, blinken is coming back to tel aviv and go to the defense ministry and who has also set a deadline. he didn't trigger his as gantz did. the defense ministry has been in favor of going into rafah but also in favor of a cease-fire. because the military here knows that the goal that netanyahu has subscribed to of eradicating hamas is an impossible goal. to say nothing of you can't eradicate the ideology, but they want to get sinwar, the lead. >> the mastermind of october 7th. believes to be under round. he's very adept at escaping all

of those attacks. but they want to get more of the hamas leadership and sinwar or% wait -- or persuade him to go into exile. and that is why gantz and others have been putting pressure on netanyahu and gantz decided to pull that trigger and some would say his departure might strengthen netanyahu and as well as the hostage rescue because the israeli public is very much in favor of having at least having the hostages back despite the toll. so it may be that netanyahu becomes more entrenched now that he'll be more in -- sort of more pressured and in the control and more of a reliance as you could say of those two hard right ministers, one of them wants to

become the next defense minister and join the war cabinet, the next national security adviser. >> we'll see about that. more isolated and more pressure potentially. we'll see if the u.s. pulls the trigger and negotiated with hamas directly. i'm curious to see what that would be like. >> it wouldn't be direct. it would be through qatar. it would always be through a middle man. >> that is a very good point. through the middle man. but i'm curious to see what those negotiations look like. thank you very much. coming up, a routine hearing becomes anything but routine today as former president donald trump meeting with a probation officer. all of the details are next. and the closing arguments are the hunter biden trial have just begun. so don't go anywhere. we'll be right back. sease a long time ago. and year after year, you weathered the storm and just lived with the damage that was left behind. but even after all this time

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despite being one of the most vetted public figures in american life, donald trump is facing a series of personal questions today from a new york probation officer, which, by the way is standard process ahead of a sentencing date. donald trump's is july 11th. defense attorney todd blanche will join him for a virtual interview from mar-a-lago. the probation department will prepare its recommendation for the judge. let's bring in legal correspondent lisa rubin and correspondent ashley parker and deputy managing etditior for politics, sam stein. so he has this interview.

what sort of questions is the officer asking? >> one of the questions that get asked are things to which you, me and the general public already know about donald trump. they range from what they call social factors like who is in your household, who do you live with to what do you do every day. and those kind of questions. also, about the criminal history of the person. what was the crime that they had been convicted of. are there victims to the crime whose perspective needs to be taken into account. and as you noted in the opening, having a probation interview is required for any person who is a criminal defendant convicted by a jury. >> so when they make their recommendation, are they -- are they expecting to see any sort of remorse from the person, is this just something that the judge deals with or does the probation officer ask do you regret what you did. >> that is definitely part of the interview. and if you look at the regulatory guidelines that new

york city's probation department has for the interview, part of that is getting the defendant's own statement about the crime and assessing whether that person has remorse or contrition for what they did. they could also refuse to make a statement about it. but then the probation department can say, as contrary to what happens in a criminal court, they could say the defendant didn't want to talk about their crime. and that would be a factor that the judge considers as well. >> we don't know what the sentence is going to be, the judge is weighing several different things it could include jail time and it could not as well. are you surprised that todd blanche is still his counsel after this? >> don't know how long he will be the president's counsel. we've seen the former president keep around after big losses. one notable example is alena habba, who has been at the former president's side for two civil loss and remains very much in his orbit as a spokesperson. whether todd blanche lives to see another day, i think remains to be seen. count on whether he plays a

major role in the upcoming mar-a-lago hearings, katy, to assess where todd blanche stands in trump world right now. >> alena habba was in the courtroom shooting daggers at george conway when he was in the courtroom one day. ashley, donald trump is not allowed to associate with known criminals after this conviction. his entourage has a lot of criminals. allen weisselberg, and roger stone and rick gates. is donald trump not going to appear with any of these men. >> i was wondering that exact thing. some of whom it is worth noting trump has pardoned when he was president. it is a fascinating question, but this is an example because as we're talking about, the former president is not an ordinary criminal defendant when he was in court, he's not going to be an ordinary convicted felon once the sentencing happens. and so he will have a hire

degree of scrutiny on him than would say an average person who is on probation. it might be able to associate with someone without their probation officer been aware. if trump pulls someone up on stage at a rally or is photographed with someone in mar-a-lago, it is a national story and it will be very clear to his probation officer and the judge and just about everyone else. so i don't know the answer, but it is like -- it is one of the questions on top of my mind. >> politically speaking, is it a good idea or a bad idea for donald trump to surround himself with these sort of people. is it a good idea or a bad idea to talk about january 6 rioters as warriors and convicted. he's a convicted felon and now praising other convicted felons. >> i think you know the answer. probably a bad idea to be surrounded by -- >> the campaign doesn't think it is a bad idea. they think it is a good idea. >> well, they have a theory of the case. which is that sort of an

unapologetic brass knuckle approach to politics will excite your base and will frame the election in ways that are effective for you. and so, they've really leaned into this idea that he, in fact, is one who is facing an unfair prosecution and the justice system is tilted against him and this is retribution. retribution is a theme in every speech since the conviction, right. now, that might gin up your base and he's in an enviable position, but could he be doing better at this juncture than joe biden and joe biden is a historically oun popular incumbent president. is he holding himself down by these very approaches? >> maybe. that is a good. sam stein and ashley parker, thank you very much. and lisa rubin, thank you as well. coming up next, new video

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new never-before-seen footage first obtained by msnbc shows the anger and chaos among

congressional leaders on january 6 as they try to make sense ever what was unfolding at the capitol. the request for help from the national guard, here you could see chuck schumer is at fort mcnair in the clip that we're about to show you. the military base, they were evacuated to, that became their command center. grilling then army sect ryan mccarthy on why the national guard wasn't already deployed. >> this is senator schumer. mcnair. we're going off -- okay, well d.c. has requested the national guard and it is been denied by d.o.d. would you like to know a good [ bleep ] reason why it's been denied. we need them fast. we've never seen anything like this. we're like a third world country lear. we have to run and evacuate the capitol. they denied it. i spoke to the secretary of the army, gave a full okay imi'm going to call of the the f'ing

secretary of d.o.d. >> jason crow was in the house gallery on january 6. and hearing the urgency from senate majority leader wondering why the national guard wasn't already there. what does that tell you about the moment? >> it is a stark reminder about the chaos and the brutality and the violence of that day. we can't forget what happened and we can't forget the fragility sometimes of our system. you know, we were very close to having a full blown overturning of the election, this was an insurrection, there is no other way to classify it. that mob of insurrectionists tried to overturn a legitimate lawful election. they did so at the request of donald trump. and we cannot forget that. i know there is a lot of things for people right now, people are raising families, building businesses, doing really important stuff across the entire country. but, again, let's not forget

that there are moments where our democracy is at risk and we are in one of those moments still. >> i've got a couple more sound bites that i think are worth playing. and this is schumer with the acting attorney general jeffrey rosen. let's play that. >> why don't you get the president to tell them to leave the capitol, mr. attorney general in your law enforcement responsibility. a public statement they should all leave. he is saying his tweet said we are for peace. >> law and order. >> why don't you get him to make that statement. would you do that? will you get the president to make a statement to ask them to leave the capitol? >> so, you might guess we're coordinating as quickly and as -- >> no, please answer my question. answer my question. >> senator, i'm going to do everything i can do. >> does that include asking the

president to get these people who are followers of his to leave the capitol? >> we all know how long it took for the president to tell them to leave. let me play one more before i ask you a question. this is nancy pelosi speaking to vice president pence. >> i'm really disappointed that this took so long to approve the national guard. but i'm glad to say that that is at least moving. >> so one sided there. so are all of the question that you have that happened that day, what led up to that day, have they all been answered? >> wouldn't say all of the questions have been answered. january 6 select committee did a job of uncovering the truth and bringing the video and telling a great story. that information has been a part of the doj investigation and there have been hundreds of prosecution of folks. the most senior people here have not faced accountability,

including donald trump himself. who was let off the hook by the senate when they didn't fully impeach him. let me be more clear, let off the hook by senate republicans when they didn't convict him after his impeachment in the house. so, but the chaos that you're seeing, with leader schumer and speaker pelosi there, they are trying to lead. they're stepping in to a leadership void and trying to bring order to this chaos and the reason they're doing that is because donald trump was absent. he weaponized that mob. sent them to the capital and then he sat back celebrating and watching the chaos and the violence that ensued and did nothing to try to stop it. this is a dangerous man and americans should not forget that. >> more than three and a half years later, why do you think there is a divide about what happened that day? why is there and has there been such an effort to whitewash that

day? >> well there wasn't a divide initially. let's not forget in the weeks and months after january 6, when this happened, there were plenty of republicans who said i've had enough, i'm out. we're not going to stand for this. and i remember kevin mccarthy getting on the floor of the house hours after they retook the capitol and we restarted the certification proceedings and he talked about the mob an the violence and he called me out as one of the members and several others who helped prevent a takeover of the house floor. so, in that time, donald trump decided this is a liability so he's going to rewrite history and his monons and followers have joined that and they're calling these criminals, these insurrectionists who led to the death of these others, he's calling them warriors and political prisoners now. this is a rewriting of history that we can't allow to happen on our watch and i'm going to continue to speak out.

everybody should continue to speak out and tell the true story of what happened and how that is a occurring danger right now. >> congressman jason crow, thank you very much for joining us today. >> thank you. coming up next, a recap of former president trump's whirlwind west coast campaign swing including new words on the conviction of january 6 rioters. this is andrea mitchell reports only on msnbc. l reports only on msnbc. and really smart later i'm 70-ish. consider an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan from unitedhealthcare. with this type of plan, you'll know upfront about how much your care costs. which makes planning your financial future easier. so call unitedhealthcare today to learn more about the only plans of their kind with the aarp name. and set yourself and your future self up with an aarp medicare supplement plan from unitedhealthcare.

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donald trump keeps trying to martyr the violent rioters of january 6. at a rally in vegas over the weekend he called them warriors and victims and diverged into other tangents as well. >> those j-6 warriors, they were warriors but more than anything else, they're victims of what happened. i got no teleprompters and i haven't from the beginning. these people. do you feel the breeze? because i don't want anybody going on me. we need every voter. he don't care about you. i just want your vote. i don't care. by the way, a lot of shark attacks. i watch some guys justifying it today. they weren't that angry. they bit off the young lady's leg because of the fact that they were -- they were not hungry, but they misunderstood what -- who she was. >> joining me now is deputy chief of staff and obama re-election manager jim masina and doug high.

what is the strategy there. >> there isn't one. donald trump is the people that you pull the string and words come out and bizarre and crazy and destructive as well and this is factors in for voters. when i see trump making bizarre comments or bad ones about january 6 at a rally, i have to remember that this is priced in for a lot of voters. they expect this from donald trump. so they sort of don't pay attention to it. and it remind me that if joe biden wants to win this campaigns, it is about biden fixing those things where he's under water to donald trump on, that is the economy and prices and inflation, and certainly the situation at the border as well. >> let me ask jim about that but one more to you. the biden team or democrats, i j jen paul on the other day saying playing donald trump more and seeing and hearing his words more are going to help joe biden. that voters haven't heard from him directly in general in many

years. he talks in niche spaces, not in the broader picture and once they see his rallies more and hear from him more, that they'll be turned off. >> well one, i love jen paul, we're both bruce springsteen fans and i don't like disagreeing with her on strategy and tactics but think so much is baked in. if year having this conversation today or seven years ago, eight years ago, we talking about donald trump said some latest crazy thing. access hollywood tape on that friday noon when this was released is best example. so many people thought that the race was over when the race was that tape came out. >> but he lost in 2020 partly because of -- a lot because of the pandemic and the way he handled the pandemic. i bet because some of the crazy things he was saying about shooting bleach into your veins, getting light inside your body, and voters looked and thought this is chaotic.

they didn't vote for him in the numbers that president biden saw. that's why he jim. jim, when you see this stuff from donald trump, do you agree with doug that what the problem really is that jad hasn't been able to articulate his message on the economy, on immigration, et cetera, as well as donald trump is articulating his? >> well, one thing i do agree with doug on, there's no strategy by the trump campaign or donald trump. you don't talk about shark attacks -- i think that might be a new high of craziness. >> he's talked about shark attacks before. this is not new for him. >> my goodness, that is ridiculous. i think i see a little different than doug. i hear his point. i think in general we need positive messaging. what is also true is i'm focused on these double hater voters that don't like either one of them and think about politics four minutes a week. they haven't consumed donald trump in a while. they are starting to figure out what they'll do in an election

where they have disapprovals on both of those candidates. so it really is a both answer here. donald trump continuing to say crazy things every day does hurt him. we've seen his numbers go down a bit since the court case, but the biden campaign has got to continue to do what it's trying to do, be in the battleground states moving their pro economic message. >> apparently he told stormy daniels that he was terrified of sharks. i do think doug has a point when it comes to the biden team and the economy. there was a really interesting ezra klein podcast talking about why the economy still feels so bad for many. rightly or wrongly, a lot of people are blaming joe biden because every time they go to the grocery store, the prices are higher. they might be doing better, wage growth might be there. but they're reminded every day things cost more today than they did four years ago. anything, trips to catalina cost more than they did four years ago. everything costs so much more

today than it did. even though people have the money to do it, there's a resentment that is there that is hard to move. howe does the biden team try to get at that underlying resentment? >> first of all, by acknowledging it. listening to it and acknowledging it and saying i hear you. you've seen the president start to do that on the stump. i think that's really important. two, painting a proactive vision of where you're going to take the country in the next four years and talking about what policies he's done to make their life better. he's doing that. then what he wants to do in a second term. and three, i can't say this enough, it has to be a contrast. that's why the debates are going to be so important. the biden campaign is going to drive that contrast hard about what he is for at the same time when, as doug and i would admit, donald trump is making this campaign every day about him. that's not what voters want to see. >> jim messina, doug heye, thank

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experiences for users. it's likely going to incorporate artificial intelligence. that's what this it so big. no hardware expected to be unfailed today. it's all about your phone and whether or not there could be any ai or what they might brand as apple intelligence put into your mail app or siri itself where it can get smarter in terms of the way you interact with your phone, use ios to maybe ask more complicated questions. we'll have to see what they unveil in this program that begins today. a lot of ethical questions. open ai considered to be the leader in the space. chatter about sam altman seen on site here, the head of ai. if that partnership is announced, that would be monster, when it comes to one of the largest distributors of smart phones and laptops in the world, partnering with one of the leading ai developers. >> in terms of safety, i know they haven't made the announcement. do you have any clues about the safety measures that might be attached to something like this?

>> reporter: this is a big question when you consider that obviously we all have iphones, we all have ipads. when it comes to that technology, if there is something pushed on ios, opt in or opt out, that's what we'll be listening for. >> brian cheung, thank you very much. that is going to do it for me this hour. "chris jansing reports" reports. i'm filling in for "ana cabrera reports," as you know. follow her on social media @mitchellreports. i'll be back at 3:00 p.m. for "katy tur reports." eyes on the critical battleground state of nevada, eyes on the ground out there. in the meantime, "chris jansing reports" starts right now. >> good day. i'm chris jansing live at msnbc h in new york city. donald trump, out of court but not out of the woods. today being forced to sit for