question when you consider that obviously we all have iphones, we all have ipads. when it comes to that technology, if there is something pushed on ios, opt in or opt out, that's what we'll be listening for. >> brian cheung, thank you very much. that is going to do it for me this hour. "chris jansing reports" reports. i'm filling in for "ana cabrera reports," as you know. follow her on social media @mitchellreports. i'll be back at 3:00 p.m. for "katy tur reports." eyes on the critical battleground state of nevada, eyes on the ground out there. in the meantime, "chris jansing reports" starts right now. >> good day. i'm chris jansing live at msnbc h in new york city. donald trump, out of court but not out of the woods. today being forced to sit for

questions from a probation officer, paving the way for his july sentencing. everything about it, from the timing to the topics may be standard for a convicted felon but is unlike anything trump has ever faced. so how will he handle it? how could what happens today move the needle for judge juan merchan as he makes the decision on whether trump will actually serve time? closing arguments under way right now in hunter biden's trial. it is getting interesting. potentially paving the way for jury deliberations later today. could today also be verdict day for the first child of a sitting president tried on felony charges. secretary of state antony blinken pointing the finger squarely at hamas insisting they are the only ones standings in the way of a peace plan that could bring the israeli hostages home and end the war in gaza for good. how can he say that when it's still not clear if prime minister benjamin netanyahu is

actually on board? so a very busy monday. we start with donald trump's legal drama shifting dramatically into the post conviction phase. a key step towards answering the politically explosive question of whether he could actually go to jail for his crimes. nbc news has learned trump and his lawyer, todd blanche will sit for a probation hearing today, giving the probation officer the chance to ask trump everything from his finances to his mental state, even his level of remorse or lack thereof. all that goes into a report for judge merchan who will decide trump's sentence next month. the maximum, four years in prison, is theoretically on the table. i have pa great group v group in studio to talk about it. nbc's vaughn hillyard hars been following trump on the xain trail. msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin was in court for the trial itself. former federal prosecutor kristy

greenberg, former chief of the criminal division and msnbc legal analyst. what do we know exactly about what's happening today? >> at some point this afternoon donald trump virtually from mar-a-lago will be sitting with a new york probation officer who is going to be the one to ultimately file a report he delivers to judge merchan ahead of the july 11th sentencing. as part of this interview, this is an opportunity for donald trump to lay out his background, the fact he has no criminal convictions on his record previously. he's able to go through and answer questions that provide insight to the probation officer to the extend of his financial background, his mental state. these are questions donald trump has largely answered from the campaign stage like he did in las vegas, nevada, at a campaign event. this is a private one-on-one setting where he's next to todd blanche, his attorney, able to make his case. the extent to which he may not regret the actions that led to that guilty conviction, but at least lay out the extent to

which he is knowledgeable about what was laid out against him and why he was found guilty. >> given the stakes, do we know anything about any preparation he may have done? todd blanche had said i think the day of the conviction that he was going to be heading down to mar-a-lago. has he been down there working with him? >> todd blanche was not -- i was on the campaign trail with with him over the last five days, i didn't see him. he did, however, fly out yesterday afternoon from nevada back to florida, so he would have returned by the early evening hours. he's had plenty of time to theerette cli since his conviction almost two weeks ago to be working through and having conversations. >> kristy, this is not a part of the process we pay a lot of attention to. was this probation officer, reported as a woman, chosen at random? number two, what's this like? >> unclear exactly how this probation officer was chosen.

i mean i would expect this is an experienced probation officer, somebody who has handled high-profile cases in the past. again, even that probation officer's recommendation will have to be reviewed by superiors. presumably this is going up to the top of the probation office. what can we expect? we can expect he'll go through this interview and he'll try with his lawyer, todd blanche, to portray the best possible picture of himself that he can to this probation officer. again, highlighting things like his lack of criminal history, contributions he's made in business in new york. he will point to the fact that he was president of the united states and he served in that office and he could potentially be the future president of the united states. he'll point to all of those things as reason for why a lenient sentence is appropriate. again, i think there are responses to each of those for why actually jail should be the sentence here, but for the

purpose of this interview, this is donald trump and his lawyer's chance to make their best case to probation because that recommendation will be viewed by the judge in determining what the sentence will be. >> will this ultimately be part of the public record, lisa? will we get to see what this is like? anybody who has ever interviewed donald trump can attest to this, sometimes it's a little hard to follow and follow up. so what do you make of what's probably going to be happening sometime this afternoon? >> i will tell you that the law and regulations surrounding these types of reports say that the public does not have access to them, that the judge gets them, the prosecutor gets them, the defendant and the defendant's attorney gets them. then there's a very small list of other people who are eligible to get them, sometimes depending on, for exam, does the defendant have a mental health problem that would justify providing the report to a mental health

practitioner or doctor. in the ordinary course, the public never sees them. there's one thing about the law and regulations that is very unclear. i mentioned the defendant himself can get the report. what happens if donald trump decides he wants to provide the report to everyone and their mother? there's nothing in the law and regulations, as i read them, that prevents him from doing so. >> have you ever seen that happen? >> i've never seen that happen. >> which doesn't mean anything with donald trump. >> everything here is sue generals. one o of the things i want to make clear is why todd blanche wants to be there. that's because in new york part of the process for the presentence investigation report is to get a statement from the defendant. that statement from the defendant can include the explanation for why they committed the crime, how they see what has been ajudged to be a crime. their version of events. if i'm todd blanche, knowing what legal issues donald trump faces in the future in other

cases, i want to make sure my client sticks very closely to a very tight statement if he gives one at all. the regulations also say if the defendant declines to make a statement about the offense, that goes into the report as well. >> so once this is done, it goes to the judge, alvin bragg separately is making a determination, right, for his own recommendation? so there will be a recommendation from the probation team, probation officer, it's not going to be one person signing off on a recommendation and that's separate from the da? >> yes. we will expect, i think it's this thursday where donald trump's sentencing memo and their recommendation for what they want to have happen at sentencing will be made public, will be filed, and then on i believe it's june 27th when we will see what the prosecutors

are recommending. they get to go second and see what the defense is recommending. presumably the parties will see what probation is recommending. i think the point lisa made about whether or not this is ever going to be made public is important here because the defendant can make it public. if he does so and this is a probation officer who recommends a not-so-lenient sentence, there could be a target on this probation officer. >> so the name of the probation officer would be on it? >> yes. that would be -- the question would be whether or not that would be something they would redact or maybe in this unique circumstance this would be something where it's a recommendation from the department and not a particular officer. i don't know -- that's not typically what it is. maybe they would make a different accommodation here given, again, the fact that if this probation officer recommends a jail sentence and that becomes public, now this person has to deal with all of

the threats that we've seen towards the jury, towards the judge, towards the prosecutor. so it is a very fraught situation i think. >> can i add something quickly? the fact that donald trump can make this report public doesn't mean that judge merchan would look kindly on it. if donald trump were to make this report public and put people in the probation department at risk, look that to be another factor that merchan might cite in determining a harsher rather than lenient sentence is deserved here. that, too, would show a lack of contrition and lack of responsibility for the public's safety and accountability to the community. >> let me go back to d.a. alvin brag. he'll be recommending, assuming we don't get the name of the probation officer wii you would hope not, you can read his possibilities as a lose-lose. on one hand, he came in as a reformer. he's got a 77-year-old

first-time non-violent offender. so that would argue against jail and also the argument that it could cause incitement problems, but not doing it is not going to make his base happy, not going to make manhattanites that we know voted almost exclusively for joe biden in the last election happen. my question is, can you really put the high-profile nature of this aside if you're alvin bragg when making this recommendation? >> i think he has to. he has to focus on what are the factors apt sentencing. the nature and seriousness of this conduct, the fact that he was falsifying these business records to cover up election interference. in terms of a false business records case that's come through new york courts, election interference is about as serious as it gets. the fact that he was falsifying and signing those checks from the oval office makes it all the more serious. yes, he's a first-time offender?

do you know who else was a first-time offender? michael cohen. he went to jail for this very conduct and was less culpable than drum who directed him to do it. donald trump is 77 years old. allen weisselberg is in jail right now and he's 81. it's not unheard of that this team of prosecutors would say somebody who is old, somebody who is a first-time offender, somebody who doesn't have this kind of criminal record should be put in prison because of the seriousness of the conduct and the gag orders. >> and the gag orders. >> ten and counting. >> that's the other thing, could there be violations between now and when juan merchan makes his decision? you talked to voters. you mentioned you've been out with him for the last five days. what are they telling you about all this? >> i was at his campaign event in las vegas. it was triple digits. a couple thousand people were there to back him up. of course, these are his most

loyal voters. let's be clear about that. what strikes me is almost every single person that i talked to has an understanding of what donald trump has articulated about the case, almost echoing his own talking points in defense, targeting judge merchan's daughter, matthew colangelo who came from the department of justice to join the district attorney's office. donald trump every day he left the courthouse repeated these talking points. that trickled down to his reporters all the way out west. take a listen. >> i think he should obey the law, no matter what happens. i think he would obey the law. if he's forced to go to prison, he'll go to prison and serve his time and we will vote him into office despite that. >> gilbert was an interesting voice there. i sigh what do you do in response to the sentence that comes down? there was deiance that says

play ball with the system put in place here and then beat them in november. that was the message i got from a number of his most loyal supporters. >> vaughn and elise, thank you for being here. in 90 seconds, closing arguments in the hunter biden trial are under way. the prosecution admits the evidence was personal, ugly and overwhelming. why they also say it was absolutely necessary. we're live outside the courthouse in wilmington after this. the courthouse in wilmington after this it's good to get some fresh air. fresh air? hi guys! bill, you look great! now that i have inspire, i'm free from struggling with the mask and the hose. inspire? inspire is a sleep apnea treatment that works inside my body with a click of this button. no mask! no hose! just sleep. give me this thing. where are you going? i'm going to get inspire. inspire. sleep apnea innovation. learn more and view important safety information at inspiresleep.com. nothing dims my light like a migraine.

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literally just in the past minute or two the defense has begun following a prosecution that finished up with its last chance to convince hunter biden's jury that he's guilty. he's in a courtroom filled with rows of biden's family and friends. in his closing, leah watts told the jury people sitting in the gallery are not evidence. this has been an emotional trial from the start, unfolding not only in front of the jury, but in front of the eyes of hunter biden's mother, first lady jill biden, other members of the family. some of the closest people in the biden circle. our team inside the courthouse says today's show of force is no different with the women in his family all seated side-by-side and directly behind hunter biden. as for the president, he's back in wilmington today, marking the first time he's been in the city since the start of his son's

trial. nbc's ken dilanian reports outside the courtroom. kristy greenberg is with us. closing arguments have begun. tell us what we've heard so far. >> reporter: lead prosecuor leahwise nodded to the people sitting in the courtroom, many of whom are familiar to these delaware jury roors. he said these people you may know from the news or the community, but this is not evidence. he said just as he said at the beginning of the trial, no one is above the law. that was nod to the prominence of hunter biden. he talked about some of the painful and sorted evidence he had to put on in this case. he said the evidence was personal, it was ugly, it was overwhelming. he added it was also absolutely necessary to prove that hunter biden was using drugs at the time that he purchased this gun

unlawfully. he said that there's a raft of evidence. he went through some of what was introduced during trial. the overview is that hunter biden began using drugs years before he used the gun and there's evidence he continued using drugs for months afterwards. the prosecution wanted to hone in on the few weeks before he bought the gun and right when he owned it. there's lots of evidence he was texting with drug dealers during that time including the day after he purchased the gun. he's texting with a man named mookie in wilmington, delaware. and then the following day he texts his daughter that he's lying on a car smoking crack. that's not smoking gun evidence. that's not a photo, that's not direct testimony. but it's a text message from his own words. the prosecution made a lot out of that. he also attacked the defense notion that he wasn't knowing, that he didn't lie on the form knowingly, he didn't consider himself a drug user. he said that belies common sense given all the evidence. the defense is under way, will

attack the arguments. this afternoon the case will go to the jury. >> kristy, the words personal, ugly, overwhelming, but it was absolutely necessary. is the prosecution right about that? >> well, i guess taking a step back i don't think it was absolutely necessary for this to be charged at all. this is -- these charges as a stand-alone prosecution are virtually unheard of. usually, if you see a charge of lying on a federal form or to a gun dealer about your drug use, usually it's coming along with having used that gun as part of a crime, for somebody who is a convicted felon, who has a history of violence. usually it's something part of something much more substantial. i can say i was not only a violent crimes prosecutor, but i supervised that unit. i can't think of a time where we ever charged that as a stand alone because, frankly, it doesn't feel right to do it. you're using somebody's own words -- in this trial you've

seen it. using somebody's own words about their addiction against them when there really hasn't been any harm to anybody but the addict. in this case he had the gun for 11 days. so i would expect the defense to really kind of focus on some of those other factors. we're talking about 11 days, nobody got hurt here, to really aim for jury nullification. i agree with what ken was saying, the evidence that hunter biden was using drugs at the time based on the witness testimony, based on the text messages, is pretty overwhelming. the idea that he wouldn't have known that he was using does seem to be a stretch. i think if you're the defense, you're hoping for jury nullification. >> it is interesting as i read our document that the first thing that the prosecutor talked about was all those family members, all those friends. they have been a constant, as i said. people sitting in the gallery are not evidence said leah wise. you may recognize them from the

news or from the community, but respectfully, none of that matters. what does that tell you about his concern about -- i guess you could call it a show of force, in addition to a show of support? >> he's right to be concerned about it. i don't think him saying that it's not evidence is really going to matter because the jury has clearly seen them day in and day out. they've seen the support they have for this defendant. again, this is in stark contrast to the trial that we just saw with donald trump where you didn't see many family members. it was sporadic when people would show up. here it's been every day, you've seen multiple family members showing up. it also shows they're supporting him in his jury as an addict, makes him sympathetic as someone trying to overcome their addiction and get sober. >> we know there are a number of people on the jury who said very up front before they were chosen for this jury that they knew people including family members, who had gone through the same

struggles. >> absolutely, absolutely. so there is a human element here that just because it is not from witness testimony or from a document, there's a human element here that is going to appeal to this jury i think -- it would appeal to me as a person watching this to see that level of support. >> kristy greenberg, ken dilanian, thank you both. up next, secretary blinken in the middle east following that major shakeup in the israeli government. what he just told our andrea mitchell about the cease-fire proposal. we'll head to jerusalem after this. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. ports" oc

right now secretary of state antony blinken is meeting with israeli leaders in tel aviv arguably in an even more difficult position than just yesterday because of that major shakeup in the israeli government. benny gantz, a moderate voice and one of three voting members of the war cabinet has resigned, accuse prime minister netanyahu of standing in the way of real victory and calling for new elections this fall. it leaves the biden with a more far right government coalition to work with and begs the question how will this impact the gaza cease-fire deal president biden outlined last month. our andrea mitchell asked secretary blinken about that earlier today in cairo. >> let me be clear. israeli has accepted the

proposal. in fact, they were critical in putting it forward. ha is what is the official position of the israeli government and the prime minister. so the only party that has not accepted, the only party thats ha not said yes is hamas. >> nbc's matt bradley is reporting from jerusalem. rob d'amico is a former member of the fbi's rescue team. sheena rubin is an israeli correspondent with "the washington post." matt, blinken says israel's official position is in support of this cease-fire. do we know if hamas says yes, if it happens? >> reporter: well, i mean you just heard the man. he sounded very confident in saying this is an israeli proposal, something the israelis have approved. he would certainly know more than i do. he's party to those

conversations. we've seen the administration do this before. joe biden presented this as an israeli proposal a few weeks ago. the israelis spent the last couple weeks walking back that assertion and disputing it. we hear this from antony blinken and should believe him. at the same time we may hear from the israelis saying no, we haven't approved this. they kind of tried to force this deal down the israelis' throat. as blinken was saying, politics are shifting under his feet here in israel. benny gantz, the main moderate in the cabinet and the most powerful, he withdrew from the war cabinet. this was ad hoc, set up after october 7th. that leaves benjamin netanyahu to answer only to these more right wing ministers. this is the most right wing cabinet in israeli history. going forward, did this incident where we saw the rescue of these

hostage, four of them two days ago, that's likely to push both sides even further apart they they already are. now benjamin netanyahu can say both of the main goals of his war in the gaza strip, one of them is defeating hamas. the other is freeing the hostages. in israel increasingly those two goals are seen as at odds with each other. you can't do one and the other. he will have an argument now that he can, indeed, do both. defeat hamas and free the hostages. he has continued the fighting and he's freed four hostages. this is reported in israeli media today. the israeli defense establishment is giving that some side eye. the fact is this is an operation that freed only four hostages, it took weeks of planning and intelligence gathering in order to pull this off. it killed, as you mentioned, more than 270 palestinians, a huge toll for the palestinians to pay for the liberation of these four people. so at the same time hamas on their side, they're going to see this as further evidence that

the israelis simply want to kill as many palestinians as possible. both of these sides are no further together than they were months ago when these negotiations started. this is the same deal we've been talking about for several weeks. >> benny gantz was asked yesterday whether he's essentially leaving the israeli government without an adult in the room. here is how he responded to that. >> i was very privileged together with my friends to bring to the cabinet room all the experience we have. i know that other people are staying there, mainly you have gallant, and the prime minister himself, they know what should be done. hopefully they will stick to what should be done and it will be okay. >> is it clear what this resignation means for the war and for the israeli government going forward, shira? >> like you mentioned, benny gantz was seen as the responsible adult in the room in a coalition that is the most far right in israel's history.

it's very unclear what this means going forward for many reasons. in israel itself, many people were comfortable that gantz was inside the government, that he was part of the strategies, that he was deciding on critical issues with the war, and also for the american government. it was very comfortable and very palatable for them to speak with benny gantz, someone with whom they share kind of a basic understanding of what needs to be done and what sacrifices need to be made. in answer to your question, no, there's essentially more questions now after this resignation. >> matt bradley touched on this, rob, but on saturday israel conducted the most sweeping hostage rescue operation since october 2nd. is this likely a one-off? or would they be able to pull off something like this again? what does your experience tell you? >> i think it would be tough as a one-off. i think it's driving -- the fact that israel has no confidence

that the hostages are going to get released in negotiations, they're going to start risking these hostage rescue operations. every one you do is going to put more emphasis on the guards and the communication. they may be looking at the intel that got them to this point to begin with and it's going to get tougher. i think it's also drastic in that it can separate the sides or pull in hamas and say, well, if we start losing hostages to rescue operations, we probably need to start negotiating to get that leverage back because right now they're kind of losing it. i think hamas said on their telegram website that three hostages were killed. there's no confirmation to that. i think that's part of the misinformation campaign. i think hamas has some hostages that have died that they're now trying to put back into, oh, this happened during an israeli operation, happened in 2015 with isis they tried to blame that on a u.s. allied raid when, in

fact, they killed her or she died under their conditions. >> as you say, we don't have any confirmation of that reporting at all. but we do have exclusive reporting that the biden administration has discussed potentially negotiating a unilateral deal with hamas to try to free the five american hostages in gaza, that is if current talks involving israel fail. those talks will be with qatari interlocutors. is that what the white house should do if the current proposal falls apart? >> i think you have to look down every worm. i think it can cause very big problems with israel down the road. i still this biden has an obligation to the american families of our citizens to pursue every avenue to get them back. i think it would be in conjunction with something

bigger, but he has the right to do it unilaterally for his citizens just as israel is trying to get their citizens back. >> as we all know, prime minister netanyahu will address u.s. congress next month. do you think the events of this weekend, the resignation and hostage rescues changes anything that we'll hear from him? give us a preview of what you think that is going to be about, at least as things stand right now. >> yeah, it's an interesting question, chris. i think actually this trip to speak in front of congress will be kind of ironically a very important gesture to his base, and we may hear just a bit more far right rhetoric or right wing rhetoric about his desire and his commitment to a total victory, which as we heard a moment ago, is seen at odds with ending the war and getting all the hostages out.

so it may be very bell lidge represent. it may be that netanyahu will seek in some ways to even isolate himself further from the u.s. that has worked very well for him among his base. those are the kinds of themes we've seen kind of in general when he's been embattled in the past. shira rubin, matt bradley, matt d'amico, thank you very much. in gaza the u.s. plan to surge american humanitarian aid in by the sea is facing yet another sedback. the united nations has paused all aid deliveries as the pier the u.s. built citing concern over safety for the workers. a staffer was injured on one of two rocket attacks on the warehouses on saturday. the agency didn't provide any other details including how long this pause will last. this is the latest in a long line of compensations surrounding that sea route which was intended to be a lifeline

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new polling "today" showing while donald trump's conviction

may not have hurt him, it may actually be helping joe biden with his base. a cbs news poll shows bide dep's voter bases increasingly center around opposing trump. 54% say that's their main reason for supporting the president right now. it's a seven-point jump for march and double the amount who are supporting biden because they like him. that same poll also shows 55% of likely voters say the trump conviction is not a factor in their vote. joining us now, nbc news senior political editor mark murray and msnbc political analyst cornell belcher, democratic strategist and pollster and founder of brilliant corners research. all right, mark, the great unknown obviously come november, will it ultimately matter, it being the conviction? or how much, right? if biden voters are mainly interested in opposing trump rather than voting for biden, i guess a key question will be the staying power of that feeling.

tell us your take on this poll. >> chris, i think motivations behind your voting choice are less important than actually you showing up and voting one way or another. we have seen in this poll and other polls with majorities of biden voters saying, hey, i'm more opposed to donald trump than i am behind joe biden. that's different than what we've seen from past presidents, whether george w. bush, barack obama or even donald trump when he was president. the good news for democrats is views and perceptions about donald trump have been very beneficial in galvanizing for them. look at the 2028 midterms, for example, or the 2020 presidential election or even the 2022 midterms when trump was no longer president but certainly it was an issue in those elections. trump has driven out democratic turnout. i think one of the big guess is can he do it one more time with the presidency at stake in november. >> i wonder, cornell, what you

make of biden voters being motivated by trump's conviction in these growing numbers. another key part of that poll that shows actually that comes way behind a host of other issues impacting the votes, starting with the economy. as you can see, by a very wide margin. so tell me how you read this poll. >> first, let's level set on the polling. this is a conversation we've had before. polling is not predictive. it's instructive. if you go to nbc news in june of '04, it had john kerry running seven points ahead george bush. i don't know if our viewers remember that far back, but john kerry didn't go on to win the election. it's instructive. what i see in the polling right now is instructive more so than the horse race. this is fairly consistent. there's a young earl swath of what i call these obama continuum voters, these younger, more diverse voters, who are not strongly aligned with either

party and they're proud to not be strongly aligned with either party. they break more progressive on the vast majority of the issues. biden has struggled with those voters. he's most off his 2020 performance are with these younger more diverse voters. also, so the earlier point, what we've seen in the past election is that these younger more diverse voters absolutely see donald trump as a mobilizing force, and to a certain extent i think it's smart for the biden campaign to lean in on donald trump because he's in many ways the best mobilizer of these younger, more progressive voters that the biden campaign is struggling with. >> does it also then follow that it's smart for them to lean into as much barack obama as barack obama will give them? because traditionally surrogates have not been a huge motivator, right, in voting.

i can remember going to one hillary clinton event toward the end of her campaign. barack obama was there. i walked the line. i talked to voters. they were almost exclusively there to see, before he left office, the first black president in history, not there for the stated purpose which was to get out the vote for hillary clinton. could barack obama be then an exception to that in this case? >> that's a very good question. what we see in data across the board here, especially with this segment of voters is that there's no political figure out there who is better positioned, more favorable, more well thought on that barack obama and the former first lady, michelle obama. i think they're absolutely key surrogates. to a certain extent, you're right, they can't bequeath that vote to him. i want to say this. i don't want the biden campaign to make what i think is part of the mistake of the 2016 campaign

against donald trump was to make it simply all about trump. i think one of the lessons from obama '08 and '12 is you still have to give younger voters something to vote for. there's a case the biden campaign has to make. they need to get give the younger, more diverse voters something to vote for not just against. >> so much, mark, about this is about perception. when it comes to describing each candidate, the new poll shows trump is more tough, energetic, effective, competent while biden is more compassionate. when i saw those distributors, i thought tough, energetic, effective, competent, compassionate, all things that both of these guys have a chance to potentially show on the debate stage, right? >> yeah. chris, i think it explains why this race is so competitive and so close right now. it also -- those poll numbers you ended up showing i think are also a really great distillation of the chief vulnerabilities for

both president biden and former president donald trump. for president biden, we often end up talking about the concerns of his age. when i see the stuff about whether he's tough enough or energetic enough and where he's failing former president trump on those issues, that kind of helps explain some of the problems he's had there. on the other hand, when you end up seeing all the concerns and vulnerabilities for donald trump, when it comes to his rhetoric, when you see that, that highlights his vulnerability there as well. >> mark murray, cornell belcher, the first or many second or third of many, many conversations we'll have. appreciate you. apple jumps into the world of ai. the major partnership unveiled in silicon valley. and what it means for how you use your apple products. a state of emergency in wyoming, not to mention disrupted vacations after a catastrophic landslide closes a critical transit route.

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it is good to be back with you on this second hour of "chris jansing reports." at this hour, is it suspicious or is it conjecture? the defense, honing in on a key piece of evidence as abbe lowell delivers the closing argument right now at hunter biden's trial. will his decision not to testify pay off in a