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. good to be with you. i'm katy tur.
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closing arguments have almost wrapped in hunter biden's federal gun trial. we're going to start with the day's politics. nbc news has obtained exclusive never before seen footage from january 6th. it shows nancy pelosi and chuck schumer after they were evacuated from the capitol calling every washington leader they could dial. mayor muriel bowser, vice president mike pence, acting attorney general jeffrey rosen, and the secretary of the army, increasingly desperate for armed backup. >> secretary mccarthy, it's senator schumer, do you know what's going on? okay. well, d.c. has requested the national guard, and it's been denied by d.o.d. i would like to know a good reason why it's been denied. i have never seen anything like this. we're like a third world
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country. i spoke to the secretary of the army. he's giving the full okay to give the national guard, he said it was not denied. i'm going to call up the f'ing secretary of d.o.d. >> you're going to ask me in the middle of the thing when they've already breached the inaugural stuff that should we call the capitol police, i mean the national guard. why weren't the national guard there to begin with? >> this new video puts an even finer point on what donald trump has been saying on the campaign trail, praising violent convicts, the people that lawmakers were hiding from on january 6th. >> those j-6 warriors, they were warriors, more than anything else, they are victims of what happened. all they were doing is protesting a rigged election. that's what they were doing. and then the police say go in, go in, go in. go in. >> a reminder, donald trump is under felony indictment for what led up to and then happened on
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that day, january 6th. but it seems he's unlikely to go to trial before the election. instead, his first trial will probably be the last before election day. that one, for falsifying documents to hide an alleged affair with a porn star from voters ahead of the 2016 election ended in a conviction today. as is standard for felony convicts ahead of their sentencing, donald trump faces a probation officer and that's where we begin. joining us now, nbc news correspondent, vaughn hillyard, msnbc legal correspondent, lisa rubin, and criminal defense attorney and former federal prosecutor duncan levin. lisa, probation officer, that interviewed, has it happened yet? >> we don't know if it's happened already. already two things that are unusual. it's occurring electronically, though that's permitted under new york city law and regulations. the second is that todd blanche is going to be at his client's side, and had to get judge
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merchan's permission in order to make that happen. might ask, why do you need your lawyer next to you, and i'm going to tell you why, the probation department's guidelines for conducting the interview include the listening from the defendant, a statement about their alleged crime, a crime that has led to a jury verdict. if you're todd blanche and your client has three additional criminal cases against him as well as the sentencing coming up, you're going to want to make sure that that statement, if he makes one at all is as buttoned up and circumscribed as it can be. >> because it can be used against you in other cases? >> it could be used against you in this situation. remember, this is a person who might want the world to see what's in the probation report, even if parts are antithetical to his best interests, he may put this in the public domain, weaponized against them. >> this is standard, duncan, what everyone goes through when they have been convicted of a felony. >> the world is seeing there's
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not a lot of standards in the new york city courtrooms, cases are different and done differently, in the federal system, which practitioners are used to. there's a probation report that's made. the lawyers are routinely there as part of the probation interview. here that's not the case. and judge merchan had to give an order to todd blanche to allow him in there. there have been cases where there is no probation interview, where the judge goes directly to sentence. there are cases where there are no sentencing reports and the judge just imposed the sentence. in this case in particular, because it's so high profile, everything is done by the book. this is just an exception to the rule. >> let's talk about the other big thing that's happening, that's january 6th. and all the fallout that still remains. there's not going to be a trial anytime soon it looks like. let's talk about what donald trump has been saying on the campaign trail. i just played it a moment ago. calling the january 6th violent conflicts warriors, why would he use a term like warriors?
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>> i don't know why he would, but he did. and it was there at that rally in las vegas when he did that, and of course my ears perked up. there's a certain level of valor established on an individual when you are designating them to be warriors. warriors in the connotation is somebody who is going and fighting on behalf of a cause of a potentially good cause. the january 6th attackers were not fighting on behalf of a good cause, and donald trump has held up individuals who he called patriots in the past. he, yesterday, praised them and said they had been treated horribly, the january 6th defendants. there was one individual who was just released from prison a couple of months ago in that crowd. this for donald trump is a part of casting a sort of sympathetic light on these individuals and what they were doing because if he is going to take the position that the election was stolen, he is going to go and defend those who are trying to keep it from ultimately putting joe biden in the white house. >> do we know what he plans on doing with the convictions if
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he's reelected? >> he has dangled the prospect of pardoning them. he has pledged to do that as one of the first three acts on day one. when you get into the nitty-gritty of the exact acts, he has deflected. >> what convictions are these? >> they're convictions for obstruction of an official proceeding in many cases. there are also convictions for essentially like breaking and entering with respect to government property. they run the gamut, katy. >> there are some for violently beating up police officers. >> there's some for the statute, currently being held by the united states supreme court. they are deciding whether or not the section 15 and 12 appropriately extends to some of the conduct by the people who broke into the congress. but there are people out there that have been charged with assault and breaking and entering and trespassing.
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>> he says he's for law and order and police officers. how does that line up saying these convicts, violent defenders, warriors, they are on camera going after and bloodying up police officers? >> there is a fantasy about what played out on that day, that i keep coming back to. i was among the crowd before they went into the rally, and i was asking one gentleman about the fact that capitol police officers were brutally beaten and he said and told me that they were welcomed in, and, again, this goes in they were the instigators were fbi informants, which is not reality, and i know that we roll our eyes at this, but i cannot tell you, that man who i was interviewing, this guy thinks january 6th was bad, right, and everybody booed at me. and they believe that the individuals who were the ones attacking were not actually the ones who we know because they have pled guilty to the charges.
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i don't mean to obfuscate here. >> that defies gravity. no matter when he does, he says he could shoot somebody on 5th avenue. all of us hold our breath and think could he get away with that and have that be an honest question. in the normal gravity involved world, no, of course you couldn't get away with that. in this world, maybe donald trump could get away with that. you talk to voters at his nevada rally, what do they think of donald trump, the man today who's now been convicted of a felony by a jury? >> to that point, let's be clear. donald trump repeats himself a lot. he repeated every time he walked out of the courtroom for seven weeks, he repeated the same lines, attacking the judge's daughter, matthew coangelo, the number three on the d.a.'s team,
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as being sent from the department of justice. he repeats himself over and over, and that penetrates the dialogue on right wing media which millions of people are taking in. when i suggested he was just found convicted by 12 new yorkers. he never had the chance to win the case because of the power of the district attorney's office directed by the biden doj, and i say that because donald trump has repeated this and conditioned his supporters to know how to deflect. when i say felony conviction, there were multiple people proudly wearing shirts saying i'm going to vote for a felon. >> they have the talking points already down. >> they have the talking points down, and they know how to defend the man who's running for president of the united states. you could assume those deflection points or comebacks are exactly what they're using inside of their churches, kids schools. >> let's listen so some of what you gathered.
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sorry to cut you off. >> i think you should obey the law no matter what happens, and i think he would obey the law. if he's being forced to go to prison, then he'll go to prison and serve his time, and we will volt him into office despite that. >> that voter, gilbert is saying there, and i think his voice is important because they believe the system is working against them, but they believe that the maga movement is so strong that they're going to be able to beat the rigged system against them, and that's why donald trump's line is too big to rig. that is the line that they, from the campaign in arizona and nevada is if we turn out the maga masses, we will beat them despite the fraud. >> one of the things that is worrying for this coming election, much in the same way ahead of the 2020 election. donald trump kept going out there and saying, the only way i could lose is if it's rigged. that's him saying democracy was stolen, convincing them that
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democracy was stolen from them. what are they going to do n? if they believe democracy is stolen, they will take up arms. this is another version of what we saw in 2020. i mean, i don't know if you know how prepared the federal government is, is this the sort of thing that should be taken seriously, from a prosecutorial standpoint. >> the other part of it, not to be missed in addition to taking up arms is they're starting to take up the notion of lawfare, and even in the last few days, congressional republicans trying to push a bill that would remove sate criminal prosecutions to federal court for a president or former president. besides being unlikely unconstitutional, that would actually take ouch the hands of local d.a.s exactly what you said, shooting someone on fifth avenue. that would be unavailable to be prosecuted by a local d.a. and brought, so you're seeing the politicalization of the criminal justice system in a way that is
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really worrisome on both sides. everyone's accusing everyone of taking politics and letting it creep into the system. >> i'm glad you have a hard time saying politicalization as well on television. that makes me feel a little bit better. it does also remind me that we have a supreme court case we're watching for with presidential immunity and his team, his lawyers have argued that he has unfettered immunity. he could shoot somebody on fifth avenue, and he will be immune to prosecution for it. we will see where the supreme court falls on that. thank you so much for starting us off. still ahead, all eyes on nevada. it went to biden in 2020, but donald trump is trying to take it with big promises to hospitality workers whose message is getting through. biden or trump, what our native nevadan john ralston is seeing on the ground. and what's happening in the hunter biden trial as the jury prepares to deliberate. >> and moments after four israeli hostages were rescued in
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gaza, a top official announced he was resigning from israel's war cabinet. what drove benny gantz to resign, and what it means for prime minister benjamin netanyahu. we are back in 90 seconds. are . of listerine to your routine. new science shows listerine is 5x more effective than floss at reducing plaque above the gumline. for a cleaner, healthier mouth. ahhhhh. listerine. feel the whoa! nothing dims my light like a migraine. with nurtec odt, i found relief. the only migraine medication that helps treat and prevent, all in one. to those with migraine, i see you. for the acute treatment of migraine with or without aura and the preventive treatment of episodic migraine in adults. don't take if allergic to nurtec odt. allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. it's time we all shine. talk to a healthcare provider about nurtec odt from pfizer. frustrated by skin tags?
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last hour, and now the prosecution is delivering their rebuttal closing argument, that's what they do in federal court. joining us from outside the wilmington, delaware, courthouse is nbc news correspondent ryan nobles, lisa rubin has stuck around as well. so, ryan, walk us through the arguments. what is the prosecution trying to rebut from the defense right now? >> well, what the prosecution is attempting to do right now is tamp down abbe lowell, the defense attorney's claims that there is reasonable doubt in the prosecution's case, and this has been abbe lowell's insistence, while the prosecution has provided a bevy of evidence, hunter biden had a long-term drug abuse problem that spanned over a four-year period, that the only really period of time that matters is that month of october, and even specifically when you drill down to it, that moment he checked the box where he said no, he was not an active drug user, in order to obtain and purchase a weapon.
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and abbe lowell, not really trying to prove hunter biden's innocence, in fact he specifically stated and pointed out to the jury that that's not his responsibility as a defense attorney, that the jury instructions don't require him to do so, but instead making the argument that the prosecution has not crossed that high bar of reasonable doubt and therefore they need to argue that he is not guilty. on the other hand, though, the prosecution says that this is a pretty open and shut case, that the evidence points very clearly that hunter biden was actively using drugs at this time. they demonstrate and show instances where there is a great deal of circumstantial evidence to suggest that he was using drugs during the period of time where he checked no on that box, and that should be more than enough for the jury to convict. we expect these closing arguments to wrap up in the next few minutes. there will be another round of jury instructions before the
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jury gets the case. there is a possibility that we could have a verdict by the end of the day. >> lisa, this would be a fast turn around. this is the kind of thing you see in cases like this. gun charges, federal gun problems. >> the case here, katy, that we're talking about. these aren't charges that usually go to trial. let's remember, hunter biden owned this gun for exactly eleven days before it was disposed of by his sister-in-law and ex-girlfriend, haley biden. there was a plea deal, it fell apart in large part because the judge didn't want to be involved in determining whether hunter biden was in compliance with the agreement. could the jury render a verdict by the end of the day? yes, but if abbe lowell is correct, and he has sewn reasonable doubt about the knowingness of hunter biden's conduct here, expect the jury to take a little bit longer. >> is the defense on the defensive here when it comes to the testimony from last week, the testimony from hunter biden's daughter naomi, according to our reporting, didn't -- backfired on
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cross-examination. >> look, naomi biden was a very sympathetic witness. likely colored the decision not to put james biden on the stand. none of them can say for sure that hunter biden was not using at the time, and all of them had communications with him that really shed some doubt on their own trust in his being clean at the time of the actions at issue. >> lisa rubin, ryan nobles, thank you very much. we're going to keep our eyes on delaware. now, how did israel find and rescue four hostages over the weekend, and what were those hostages doing in a densely populated civilian neighborhood? first, though, what matters to nevada, if you listen to donald trump over the weekend, you might think it's sharks. a perfect day for a family outing! shingles doesn't care. but shingrix protects.
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secretary of state antony blinken is in jerusalem meeting with israeli leaders today, facing a now fractured government over there. over the weekend, four hostages rescued from gaza, two of the war cabinet resigned, including benny gantz, a political rival to joined the war cabinet after october 7th to show unity in the face of hamas. and refusing to come up with a viable plan for the day after in gaza. amid all of this is a cease fire deal that is still up in the air. today secretary of state antony blinken told andrea mitchell that hamas is the one holding things up. not the israelis. but blinken refused to outright deny nbc news reporting that the u.s. is considering its own deal with hamas for american hostages, according to two current and former u.s.
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officials. >> mr. secretary, you say that everyone but hamas has agreed to this? benjamin netanyahu has stated otherwise publicly, and the hostage families are saying you should try everything if this fails. >> first, let me be very clear. israel has accepted the proposal. in fact, they were critical in putting it forward, so the only party, no, that is what the official position of the israeli government. the prime minister. so the only party that has not accepted, the only party that's not said yes is hamas. >> joining us now, nbc news correspondent matt bradley, and courtney kube. first to the reporting, what can you tell us about the hamas deal with the united states potentially to release american hostages? >> reporter: katy, we have been hearing about the cease fire deal that's on the table that andrea was asking secretary blinken about, and if, in fact, this deal does not follow
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through, it does not continue, then we now know according to a number of u.s. current and former u.s. officials that, in fact, the u.s. is discussing the potential to negotiate directly with hamas. now, this wouldn't involve u.s. mediators and hamas officials sitting down at a table together. it would be negotiated through qatar. the difference here is they would do this without israel being involved, and they would specifically be talking about how they could get the remaining american hostages out of gaza. katy, there are at least eight americans who are being held right now. the hope right now is that the majority of them are still alive, as many as five of them may still be alive. the goal is not just to get the five american hostages who are alive but also the remains of the others who are believed to have been killed on october 7th and their bodies taken across into gaza. if, in fact, as i said, the cease fire deal that's currently on the table falls through, there is this potential,
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according to the officials for the u.s. to talk to hamas directly, katy. >> what about that? is that going to increase pressure in israel, matt? i mean, after benny gantz resigned and the war cabinet, netanyahu was pushed farther to the right. what is the prospect of the u.s. making a deal with hamas do to benjamin netanyahu's ability to continue to lead? >> reporter: i mean, these negotiations have been going on almost as long as the war itself, since october 7th. and this is antony blinken's eighth trip to the region, and that doesn't count the trips that william burns, the cia director and other diplomats have been making to the region, trying to do the same thing, shore up a deal like this. you mentioned benny gantz, and i'll get to that, this operation is appalling. they called it a brutal massacre. hamas said this on saturday. nearly 300 palestinians killed. some 700 who were wounded, dozens of children who were among the dead. this according to the gazan
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health officials in the gaza strip. so they are outraged and probably further away from making some sort of deal. benjamin netanyahu for his part, and his allies, he can point to evidence, which he had little evidence before, he can achieve both stated goals in the gaza strip, defeating hamas and freeing hostages. those two goals are seen as completely at odds with each other. you can't do one and the other. you have to pick one. now, benjamin netanyahu, and we have heard this talk from his allies in the government is going to be able to say, and they're already saying that they can defeat hamas and free the hostages. the only way to free the hostages is to continue the war, continue putting military pressure on hamas. there are a lot of people in the intelligence community, in the defense community here in israel who kind of gave some side eye to that. we saw that printed in local media, some of the analysis and quotes saying that, you know,
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this was such a huge operation. it's not practical to apply what they did to free the four hostages to the 80 who are thought to be alive and in custody in the gaza strip. so in a way after eight months of negotiations, it looks as though the two sides are as far apart or further apart than they ever have been before. benny gantz resignation, he removes a moderate, a lot of people calling the adult in the room from the cabinet, from the war cabinet, one of three voting members on, and he was removing his party from the actual cabinet, the government, and while that won't bring down benjamin netanyahu's government, it means that benjamin netanyahu is alone with his right wing ministers. he is one of the most right wing cabinets in the israeli ministry. that means they're going to be more opposed to making concessions to hamas in the coming weeks and months, especially now with this stunning military victory behind
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them. katy. >> matt bradley, courtney kube, thank you very much. joining us now, middle east director for the uk-based international communities organization, gershon baskin, he negotiated the peace negotiations that led to the release of g shalit in 2011. what were the hostages doing amongst civilians? what was hamas doing holding the hostages there? >> that's what hamas does. hamas is embedded in the civilian population. there were hostages kept amongst the civilian population. it's a refugee camp, barely any spaces between homes, and it's impossible to imagine that the neighbors to the house where the hostages were kept did not know that something was going on. but they're also very afraid to take any action against hamas, and to speak out because people
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who have done that have ended up getting killed by hamas. >> why would they do that, put these hostages amongst the civilians, knowing if the israelis figured out where they were, it would result in something just like what happened? >> well, they thought it would deter the israelis from trying to get in there, if it's a densely populated areas, it would be difficult for the israelis to conduct a military raid, and what we saw was they did conduct a military raid in a densely populated area and a lot of people got killed. we don't know from the hamas published figures how many were combatants. we know that the israeli troops were shot at with a massive amount of fighting that took place, and certainly a significant number of those people killed were combatants, not all were combatants. it was a very brave mission. it was a very dangerous mission. one of the soldiers, the
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commander of the force that went in was also killed. it's quite remarkable that only one of the israeli soldiers were killed. >> let's talk about the political situation in israeli, with benny gantz resigning from the war cabinet, and the idea that the war is intertwined with releasing the hostages, does benjamin netanyahu have a win with this? can he say, what we're doing is right, we got four out when in reality, hostages have gotten out in mass quantities through the peace negotiations? >> right. there's only one way of getting all the hostages out, the 120 that were named, and that's through a negotiated agreement. it's likely they will agree to any agreement. the gaps are not what secretary blinken said. hamas will not agree to any kind of deal that does not include an end to the war, and israel will not agree to a deal that obligates it to end the war.
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here's where we have the problem, and now with other moderate members of the war cabinet no longer there, and netanyahu is completely dependent on the far right wing extremists, it's very unlikely that we reach an agreement. what netanyahu has done is politicize the hostage issue, and it's very difficult now to get people out on the street in massive numbers to demonstrate for the hostages. they are out there, but it's not millions. it's thousands. tens of thousands. and this is really what the gantz resignation might spark now is much larger demonstrations. >> the u.n. security council, by the way, has adopted the u.s. resolution to support the cease fire hostage proposal. this is the biden announcement from just a couple of weeks ago. antony blinken is adamant that the israelis are on board, even though we haven't heard from prime minister benjamin netanyahu. he says hamas is the one holding things up, but at the same time, there does seem to be an american contingency plan, that if this deal falls apart to find
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a way to negotiate through qatar with hamas to get the americans back. what would the u.s. have in that negotiation? what leverage does it have to get americans back from hamas? what would this government give hamas for these hostages. >> i was asked to acquire with hamas if they were willing to negotiate a deal for the american hostages, side stepping the israelis, and essentially i asked directly several hamas leaders what would you want from the united states in exchange for the american hostages. in all honesty, i didn't get an answer back from them. i'm not sure there's anything the united states could possibly give them that they would want. what they want are prisoners in israeli prisons. and they want the war to end, and the united states cannot give either of those two things. it's not money or something else the united states would think of giving to a terrorist organization.
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it's really a point. i don't know what u.s. could provide. >> have you had any contact with gazi hamid? >> i have. we have been talking. the israelis are not interested in any kind of direct contact. otherwise, i would be trying to negotiate directly. >> how was that conversation after that letter? >> it renewed about a month and a half or two months after that letter, and i approached him, and said if our contact can save human lives, i'm willing to renew it and talk to you. we tried, but again, the israeli side has told me they don't want to have direct negotiations. they want to go through the third parties in qatar. >> because you're talking to him, what about the deal that the u.s. announced that they say the israelis -- >> he was one of the people in hamas i inquired with, to see if there was something hamas wanted from the united states. >> what about the israeli deal, the three-step deal?
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>> right. hamas is saying very clear, no deal without an end to the war? >> isn't that what this proposal gives them. it's a three-step process, they start negotiating and a full pull out of israeli troops from gaza. >> president biden said it would lead to the end of the war, and israeli cabinet said there would not be an end to the war. there might be an israeli agreement to president biden, but in israel, it's clear netanyahu has said otherwise. >> gershon, thank you so much. we were ouch time, and added a bunch more because i do appreciate everything that you can bring to us on this conflict. it's always really helpful to help understand what's happening. gershon, thank you very much. >> thank you. we have some breaking news on the hunter biden trial, joining us now, nbc news correspondent ryan nobles. what's happening? >> reporter: we've just received word that the jury has begun
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deliberations against the president's son, hunter biden. they heard lengthy closing arguments from the prosecution and the defense. a rebuttal argument from the prosecution, and then they were given a list of instructions from the judge in this case, and they will now begin their deliberations. it stands to reason how long they will be deliberating today because court is scheduled to end at 4:30 this afternoon. there is a world in which they're able to go through the three charges, come up with a unanimous verdict and return the verdict before the end of the day. but there is a reasonable expectation that will take longer than the lesson, the hour they have right now to wrap up those deliberations and the deliberations could extend into tomorrow. as it stands right now, the jury has the case. the fate of hunter biden is now in their hands on these three criminal gun charges. of course this relates to hunter hiden attempting to buy and purchase a gun in october of
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2018. he checked a box saying that he was not an active drug users. prosecutors presented a great deal of evidence that counters that claim it's been the defense's aim to provide reasonable doubt. it will be up to the jury to decide here. keep in hind that in hunter biden is convicted, he does face the prospect of jail time. it will be up to the jury of six men and six women to decide hunter biden's fate. >> thank you very much. and what caused french president emanuel macron to call for a snap election, and why some are calling it political suicide. donald trump campaigns in vegas. what he promised voters there and whether or not it will sway them. y them good soil, and you get good results. look at that! the broccoli was fantastic. that broccoli! i think some of them were six, seven pounds. slowing my cancer from growing
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donald trump rallied supporters in vegas over the weekend, promising to eliminate taxes on tips for hospitality workers while also going after the teleprompter operator, complaining about the heat, and criticizing the southern border when he killed the bipartisan border deal. >> he just came up, are the teleprompters not working, not even a little bit. great job. and then i don't pay the company that does it, right. and then i end up with a story, trump doesn't pay. i don't pay contracts that do a [ bleep ] job, and that's a [ bleep ] job. that's a
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[ bleep ] job. it's 110 but it doesn't feel it to me, right. everybody was so worried yesterday about you, and they never mentioned me. i'm up here sweating like a dog. secret service said we have to make sure everyone's safe. i said, what about about me, oh, we never thought about that. they don't think about that. can you feel the breeze because i don't want anybody going on me. we need every voter. i don't care about you. i just need your vote. this is the worst in the history of the world. no third world country has a border like that. i tell you what, i hope the military revolts at the voting booth joining us now, ceo of the nevada independent, and msnbc political analyst, jon ralston, that was a lot of what he said yesterday. is it landing? how is his support in nevada? does he have a chance of taking it back? >> you missed the most important part when he talked about sharks
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and -- >> don't jump the gun, i'm going to play that in a second. hold your horses. >> i'm sorry. >> answer my first question first. >> i should have known, katy, i apologize deeply. listen, the speech didn't move the needle, i don't think, that much. the thing that he had proposed about the tips and taxation, it was an obvious pander to the culinary union. the most interesting thing to me about the speech, katy, is that he promised earlier to endorse someone for the u.s. senate, and then didn't do it until he was away and did it on truth social later. mostly because i think he either forgot about it in the heat or because the guy that he endorsed against is supported by a billionaire las vegas businessman whom trump has cordoned, who did a fundraiser for trump the night before, but the fact is, you know, he is ahead in the polls here, katy. you and i have talked many many
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times in the past about this, polls in nevada are not great in october. think of how good they are right now in june. >> yeah, okay. so what's your sense on the ground. you talk to people every day, you live there. do you feel like it's different this time? >> i do. and i feel that way, not just from people that i talked to, who i see shifting a little bit either away from joe biden or into the undecided category. but by the very very smart democrats i talk to who are responsible for the so-called read machine and the turnout effort here who are quite concerned about young voters and about hispanic voters here in nevada and concerned about what the biden campaign nationally is doing here to court those voters. yeah, there's a long time to go, but remember, katy, no republican has won nevada since
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2004 but the last two elections have been very very close, 2 1/2 points and the democratic margin in voter registration has become essentially nothing. >> all right. now, you jumped the gun here, jumped the shark here, so let's play it. let's play the bit about sharks. >> by the way, a lot of shark attacks lately, did you notice that? i watched some guys justifying it today, well, they weren't that angry, they bit off the young lady's leg because of the fact that they were not hungry but they misunderstood who she was. these people are -- he said there's no problem with sharks. they just didn't really understand a young woman swimming. really got decimated and other people too. i said, so there's a shark ten yards away from the boat, ten yards, or here, do i get electrocuted if the boat is sinking water goes over the battery, the boat is sinking, do i stay on top of the boat and get electrocuted or jump over by the shark and not get electrocuted because i will tell
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you, he didn't know the answer. he said, you know, no one has answered that question. >> does the biden team come in and start talking about sharks to get voters. what is the issue the biden team is losing on right now in nevada? >> shark attacks are obviously a big issue in the desert out here, katy. >> land shark! i didn't understand what he was talking about when i was watching it. i still don't, even after you played it again. nobody's ever asked that question before, he said, yeah, i bet no one has ever asked that question before. but that is just typical of a trump speech in a sense that he goes into these wild digressions and tangents and tries to entertain the crowd. even if you were watching during that, katy, his ardent supporters behind him seemed to have no clue what he was talking about, but this is all noise, right, katy? you and i don't know what's going to happen in the next five months or so to move the needle
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either way in this state or in the half dozen or so states that matter in the electoral college, but something, more than sharks, is going to move voters in nevada. >> i experienced this in realtime. i will warn everybody again. sometimes the things he says on the rally stage will sound awful from the outside perspective, how could the crowd not like that, he doesn't get any reaction. when you're there, he would talk about how he hated crying babies and people laughed in the crowd, when you pay it on television, of course he's going to lose support for that. it plays differently in the crowd. john, thank you very much. i appreciate it. >> i apologize for -- >> it's okay, john. what was french president emanuel macron thinking when he called for a snap parliamentary election just weeks before the olympics.
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hi there, everyone. happy monday. it's 4:00 in new york. game changer? it's a question today. more specifically, what if, what if the 2024 presidential campaign cycle isn't actually going to be fought on the ground that we today right now think

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