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very good night. from all our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thank you for staying up late. i will see you tomorrow. tonight on all in. >> as we deliberate, we reached a verdict pretty quickly. >> the president's son found guilty of violating federal gun laws. >> no one in the country is above the law. everyone must be accountable for their actions. >> what the verdict means and does not mean about the rule of law in america. >> everyone is saying where is hunter? two tiered system of just a we have. >> the campaign led by compact is vetting potential running mates. >> i don't know. certainly, like, you committed a crime. >> the alito scandal that will not end. >> you know what i want? i want a sacred heart of jesus

flag because i have to look across the lagoon at the pride flag for the month. >> jamie raskin on the push to get answers from the supreme court. >> can you tell us about how the supreme court and specifically the chief justice have addressed the scandals? >> all in starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. in a political era marked by seemingly never ending string of historic firsts, there's another one today. a record decision the conservatives received with glee. >> hunter biden has been found guilty on all counts in his gun trial. federal trial in wilmington. >> hunter biden, the last living son of the sitting president was convicted today on three felony counts related to his lying on a federal firearms application in 2018 by not disclosing the struggles with

drug addiction. he had the gun for 11 days. hunter biden now faces as much as 25 years in prison and his father, president biden, did not blast the case is a which one or target the prosecutors, judge, and jurors some of whom called into cable news shows to discuss the verdict with no major fears for their own safety in this high-profile case. president biden did not shake his fist at the justice system. he put up the statement. as i said last week, i am the president but i am also a debt. jill and i love our son and we are proud of the man he is today. so many families who've had loved ones battle addiction understand the feeling of pride seeing someone, the other side and be so strong and resilient in recovery. as i also said, will accept the outcome of this case and will continue to respect the judicial process is hunter considers an appeal. jill and i will always be there for hunter and the rest of our family with our love and support. nothing will ever change that. i find that genuinely touching.

love of family, respect for the process. its income incredibly stark contrast to the ceaseless barrage of absolutely unhinged authoritarian histrionics we all witnessed last month. remember? not just from donald trump but the entire republican party. other people dressing up as donald trump who went to the courthouse so he will pick them to be the vice president and -- mob chanting for them to be hanged. all of them calling to tear down the entire judicial system are casting aspersions at new york jurors or near justice for the judge or the prosecutor. all because their nominee got caught falsifying business records and was convicted unanimously by a jury of his peers on 34 felony counts. >> this was a rigged trial by a conflicted judge who was corrupt . a rigged trial, a disgrace. >> this is like the soviet

style thing. show me the person and i'll show you the crime. >> it was a smear job. it was an attack job. it's what you see in a banana republic. >> the problem is democrats have crossed the line. >> it's a justice system the hunch republicans while protecting democrats. this was a hoax. a sham. >> do we want to become a country where we jail political opponents? >> republicans and protects democrats. what do you think the party affiliation of hunter biden is? and so, this hunter biden conviction is as clear a moment of contrast as possible between the two major coalitions, the major parties and political polls today. what did illustrates is one party under donald trump, and this is important, has placed itself outside the american constitution while the other still trying to defend and uphold of.

that was closed in january 6 but at that time, particularly the aftermath, there was palpable horror among republicans. lots of them talking how horrified they were. re-signing from the administration and all that. there was a sense the party wanted to distance themselves from trump's lawlessness. that was then. today they are fully united as a party in opposition to that. attitude typified by possibly the most powerful conservative you've never heard of russ vought, portions of the heritage foundation project 2025 on how to remake the executive branch in a trump presidency. this week, the washington post identified russ vought as a potential chief of staff and the trump administration even if he lays out his vision for a post-constitutional presidency to turn the government into a flatly authoritarian project or failing that, just a mafia state. reporting that he is help craft proposals from trump to deploy

the military to quash civil unrest, seize control of the justice department, and assert the power of appropriations and that's just on trump's first day back. democrats are not just making statements of faith and the legal institutions, they have taken reelections to preserve those institutions and their independence. no better example of this is the prosecution of one hunter biden. remember how this started? back in 2018 under david weiss, the u.s. attorney the trump- appointed in delaware, the fbi probed hunter biden and there were subpoenas but no charges. remember, trump grew angry at that, quote, was justice department had not publicized the investigation into his opponent's son during the 2020 election. after trump lost that election, republicans insisted president biden would obstruct justice to keep his son free and they called for a special counsel to investigate hunter biden. when the new president comes in, it's his right to replace

any u.s. attorney who wants in the usually do. been replaced donald trump's appointees at doj except for two. john durham who bill barr tasked with investigating the rusher probe, trump special. and david weiss who was investigating his own son. that is because the new president, at the pains of a possible criminal conviction of his surviving son in recovery wanted no appearance of impropriety or of fearon's. merrick garland went a step forward. and he appointed david weiss as special counsel to make sure his work on the hunter biden case was independent. that was a move that republicans opposed? the republicans in the house judiciary, david weiss can't be trusted. it's a new way to whitewash the biden family's corruption. after all of that and a plea deal that was worked out with hunter biden but ultimately rejected by the courts, he

ended up charging the president's son for an weapons are rarely prosecuted that even trey gaudi, the far right ex- congressman and former prosecutor could scarcely believe. >> i did gun prosecutions for six years. i went after convicted felons. i went after people who were fugitives from justice. i went after lots of different people who were prohibited from possessing a firearm. i will bet you they were not 10 cases prosecuted nationwide of addicts or unlawful drug users who possess firearms relied on applications. i bet there were not a dozen. it makes you wonder of all the cases you could be pursuing in delaware, why are you pursuing this one? >> all of this facilitated by democrats in the white house and the department of justice and capitol hill, all to try to restore faith and equal justice under the law and the norms of the constitution. trump flagrantly violated the norms at every turn.

stewing we could not interfere further. publicly calling for prosecutions. you may have forgotten this nugget that months into his presidency trump was calling federal prosecutors and cultivating relationships with them including the was attorney for the southern district beat barrera, obama holdover who was overseeing investigation into stock trades made by trump's health secretary tom price. he said those calls made him uncomfortable and he was fired as u.s. attorney less than a day after he finally refused to take a call from trump. people inside the administration would later tell propublica, trump's personal attorney bragged about getting bharara fired reportedly telling trump this guys going to get you. the former u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york joins me now. an interesting study in contrast over the last few weeks. >> indeed. >> what strikes you about the reaction today?

>> when you think of the biden family and how joe biden in particular thinks of his job, and his family, upon a conviction before the conviction, the investigation and arrest and indictment of his son given what his family is been through, you would think every parental, a fatherly instinct would've been to protect him. if you are a father, you love your children more than you love yourself. you need to protect them from harm and you try to protect them from bad consequences. the biden family has suffered bad things as a family and yet there's some things more important than that when you are commander-in-chief and the president of the country. one of those things is no one is above the law and the rule of law matters. this that you have been pointing out, joe biden had absolute authority, literal authority. no authority over alvin bragg and did not direct the

prosecution of trump. it's his justice department and he had authority to direct people not to prosecute his son. he could've fired special counsel and directed them not be appointed in the first place. he could've pardon has some preemptively. he could still pardon him but he said he will not do that. all of that conduct given it is his son, it's kind of -- think how unbelievable that is. in 1 million years if the shoe were on the other foot and donald trump was facing the prospect of his son being prosecuted by me if i had been held over, a biden holdover or obama holdover prosecution, not in 1 million years with that have happened. some of the people on the right who support donald trump are trying to cast this as some clever ops program by which this actually proves it to hash >> i will say it's outlandish to announce don jr. getting in

trouble with guns or drugs. stephen miller said it's a misdirection and easy effort doj to sell to appliance media that's too willing to be due. it's about protecting joe biden and only joe biden. no matter what happens, the corrupt rigged system is steeper than you realize. >> if every possible outcome, permutation is arguably a point in your favor, maybe your position is terrible. i used a different word than terrible. >> i don't even think he was required even by probity to keep david weiss on in delaware. honestly. when i say bend over backwards, it would've been perfectly reasonable -- >> bend over backwards above and beyond. >> and it would not be reasonable to say wink wink, nudge nudge. if you say, do your thing. he didn't have to do with. >> other features important to

point out and you mentioned some of them in the intro. the jury verdict came out and they didn't dox the jury or take the judge. he didn't say it's a travesty of justice or a witch-hunt. he said what i used to say when i was attorney and from time to time even though with the -- >> you win some and lose some. >> we respect the jury. opposite of what trump did. >> one of the most striking things is after the trump verdict and i remember judge kaplan in the federal civil trial with e. jean carroll told the jurors, you can talk to the press, i advise you not to. and they did not. in alvin bragg's case they did not talk to the press. they would expose himself to harassment a possibly threats and harassment. i'm a reporter and i like it. what a contrast. >> it's a stark contrast. i think it goes to show and when

joe biden and his supporters talk about the rule of law, they mean it. you can disagree with his policies. talk about the border and other things that are not in my daily work but on the question of whether or not the rule of law is to be enforced in fear or favor to be given to anyone including the son of a sitting president of the united states, the republicans are full of it on the trump side and biden is not. >> walk the walk. final question, independence and the department of justice. we have a post-nixon order. one of the things about nixon, a level of regulation, norms, and statures was the department of justice can't just be a tool in the hands of the executive to pursue vendetta. to prosecute and punish enemies. to protect friends. the trump vision is that. explicitly that. russ vought, they really think

we are going to come in ski and it will be day one open investigation and that person and prosecute them. >> that which they accused everyone as of doing, they are saying, there is great irony, one of the cases pending against donald trump, the mar-a- lago case in florida, donald trump's team is made a number of motions to dismiss the indictment. one is vindictive prosecution. there is no evidence of that. no evidence that joe biden or anyone else directed that prosecution and indictment. by saying the things they're saying now that you are pointing out, donald trump ironically laying the foundation for a vindictive persecution motion to dismiss on the part of all the current people who donald trump will be going after because he's announcing his plans before election. all the statements in the plans, project 2025 and everything is will be chapter and verse in the briefs asking for the dismissal of those indictments. >> that's a great point.

preet bharara, thank you. coming up congressman alexandria ocasio-cortez and jamie raskin on the scandals rocking the maga supreme court. donald trump's rude awakening from the criminal justice system. l justice system.

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donald trump has been convicted of 34 felonies and now, americans, the ones who don't know at least getting a crash course the way life changes when you become a felon. since his conviction, trump is expected to have his gun license revoked under federal law. convicted felons are prohibited from possessing a gun. that was part of the issue when the hunter trial. it's unclear what it means for guns he has in his possession a. he told the probation officer he has a gun in florida. he could lose his liquor licenses first three new jersey golf clubs. new jersey prohibits any person who is been convicted of a crime of moral turpitude from having a liquor license. have you ever been convicted of a crime is often on job applications. a subject of reform campaigns to ban the box as a way to help former convicts get jobs and reenter society. that question about criminal convictions is part of the vetting for vice presidential pick where it seems only one

member of the ticket gets to be a felon. >> the vast for a number of things. a number of people have been asked to submit this and that. >> like taxes? >> i don't know everything. >> criminal background? >> have you convicted a crime. >> charles coleman and civil rights defense attorney. a senior political reporter at rolling stones who has covered trump world. trump hoped would save him from conviction. they join me. it's interesting to watch folks who don't know this to watch the various implications of being convicted of a felony and the different regulations and things you cannot do. in some states it's voting, liquor licenses, and the like. >> speaking as a person of color and a former prosecutor, i am unmoved by these newfound epiphanies that are occurring

on the right with respect to the reality of life in america if you are a convicted felon. one thing i find to be particularly interesting is how the right is scrambling to rearrange the narrative of what it is to be a felon. you are talking about the party that has planted its flag on the notion of law and order in america now having to walk out and say it's politically advantageous for our candidate to have 34 convictions on his record. this is a narrative they are not going to be able to square but it's funny to watch them try. >> he had invited on stage in the box, two folks broad conspiracy of folks like moving heavy drugs -- >> and violent crime. >> very serious stuff and has them on the state. this is our thing now. >> you were talking whether someone is an associate of felons. that is donald trump's jam. the list is very long.

shockingly long, especially for someone who held the highest office in the country. >> i think it is a psych job. they're trying to say it's good we are felons. >> it's amazing how the tough on crime falls by the wayside when it's the racist game show host. donald trump and his minions love to talk to in and day out but two tiered system of justice. he is correct that one does exist in the country but he is at this tier and everybody is below. there's so many things he has been doing lately that no other defendant in a criminal trial could get away with. >> including the stuff he said about the judge. >> behind the scenes and in the open, and his maga brain trust prepared to exploit parts of the u.s. criminal code, as we have reported, to go after the alvin bragg sand letitia james and jack smith if he returns to power. some of this is cooked

up behind the scenes in policy papers but so much is done in the open. >> you also have got them get alvin bragg before a committee. he is going to testify at the gop led judiciary committee. one question i have about this is, does any of this matter in the process that trump is going through? >> no, it does not. >> ramose, the probation officer? it's all rigged? does that matter from what sentencing? >> his public rhetoric absolutely -- i thought you were referring to alvin bragg. with respect to the things that donald trump is parroting and continues to parrot in the public dialogue around his case, that matters. one of the things a probation officer will take into account is what degree of understanding and remorse do you have?

>> i screwed up. i am sorry. >> when you are in every opportunity in front of a microphone saying what a political prosecution this was. >> you have been reported on this that house republican leaders are gauging support for legislation that would like current and former president move a state case to federal court. have you heard any of that? >> oh, yeah. we reported at the end of last month that trump had been calling around to different conservative allies including republican lawmakers on capitol hill to lobby them when i'm back in office, wouldn't it be great if you passed legislation ready for me to send that can have former and current president move their cases to federal court? >> again, i think they're getting high on their supply. i feel like that is a bad bill to vote for. for a front-line republican member. >> if you are a maga lawmaker,

there is a cute appeal to it. it's not only moderate republicans saying maybe we should not do this. i have spoken to extremely maga attorneys close to donald trump with told me, maybe we shouldn't go down this run. we want to use state ag's and district attorneys to go after joe biden or hillary clinton. >> the principle applying equal he would hang them up. there is back and forth about the gun situation. i'm sure you have encountered this. folks have guns. what does the law say about whether he can keep the gun in florida, new york crime. >> he will probably need to turn the gun in in florida. he will have a grace period or that's allowed. technically, he might be in violation of the law upon the notice of conviction, he will probably allowed some leeway

but it would not surprise me if he has to turn it in. >> hunter biden conviction today was about he lied on a form because you cannot -- in terms of taking drugs and own a gun. violation of federal law and lied on the forms and of the ex- president holding a gun. having been convicted of a felony. it's a remarkable set of circumstances. thank you both. samuel alito's wife has even more thoughts about flags. aoc and jamie raskin on the supreme court's legitimacy crisis. itimacy crisis.

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donald trump wins in november his plans including as the washington post reports a plot to convert federal civil service into an authoritarian tool to report friends and punish enemies. the scope of his plan -- his desire to weaponize the government against perceived foes. one of the most striking example was a trump department of justice lengthy battle to block the merger between at&t and time warner on antitrust grant. there was always a suspicion which is been all but confirmed that trump was trying to block the merger because he did not like time warner's news network cnn. antitrust and trump's hands was another tool of government authority that could be used to

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was born of the animus trump hat of cnn's coverage of him. that is pretty bad. >> i think it's a thing where trump didn't think there was a problem with it. >> no. >> i think he thought it was within his rights to order the breakup of a company he did not like. his white house counsel sort of restrained were slightly dead and that. there is so much circumstantial evidence that the white house and the presidency were involved in antitrust decisions that it's hard to deny it. >> you can find the full conversation i had with him who is a fascinating guy and an amazing record in this area by going to why is this happening? the stakes by scanning the qr code on your screen. you can listen to it wherever you get your podcast. ur podcas flight. cirkul is the energy that gets you to

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i must admit i was skeptical when supreme court justice samuel alito blamed his wife for that upside down american flag flying at their home after january 6. a symbol adopted by trump supporters who believed the 2020 election was stolen. it seemed like a convenient explanation but it looks like justice alito was telling the truth when he said infamously, quote, my wife is fond of flying flags. i am not.

listen to her in a recent conversation secretly recorded and released by activist lauren windsor. >> you know what i want? i want a sacred heart of jesus flag because i have to look across the lagoon at the pride flag for the next month. and he's like, please don't put up a flag. i said i won't do it because i am deferring to you. but when you're free of this nonsense, putting it up and i'm going to send a message every day, maybe every week. i made a flag in my head. this is how we satisfy myself. i made a flag. it's white and yellow and orange flames around it and in the middle is this word. in italian that means shame. >> shame. the opposite of pride? they have not responded to an nbc news request for comment but none of what she said changes the facts that justice alito allowed the flag to fly over so molly sits in the highest court on the land

hearing cases related to the insurrection in january 6 and he sits on the court along with his buddy clarence thomas his wife was interviewed by the january 6 committee better tax with trump's chief of staff. both justice thomas and alito refused to root -- recuse himself despite the obvious appearance. we are faced with an urgent question. what can be done about us out of control court? democrats in the house oversight committee held a roundtable on the ethical crisis in the supreme court. one of the expert legal witnesses was my wife. leading the panel was jamie raskin, ranking member the oversight committee and new york congresswomen alexandria ocasio-cortez, the vice ranking member and they post join me now. good to have you on. >> thank you for having us. >> i will start with you about what the agenda was today to convene this. you cannot call hearings herself as a ranking member and not the chair. what were you trying to do

today? >> the oversight democrats wanted to respond to the national clamor over this crisis of legitimacy at the supreme court. we analyzed the ethics crisis and we analyze the political crisis around confirmations that got us into this and the blockade of confirmations of people like merrick garland who was nominated by president obama that we began to talk about what things could be done both in the specific case of justices alito and thomas and about the ethical collapse at the supreme court. the highest court in the land with the lowest ethical standards. the only governmental officials in the land who are not governed by a binding ethics code. there is no process by which we can hold them accountable. it violates the essential principle that james madison identified as the heart of our justice system which is no man

can be a judge in his own cause. we began to explore different avenues of holding them accountable. >> congresswoman, you said something toward the end saying it cannot be the case, a constitutional matter as an almost intuitive common sense matter that they are not subject to any checks. we have three coequal branches. checks and balances between them three branches in the position alito said in an interview that congress has no ability to regulate us whatsoever. what should congress be doing? what are you brainstorming? what's the conversation about what those checks can be? >> of course, justice alito's position is laughable. this idea that he can be and the court should be accountable to nobody and the only person that should be accountable is are themselves. this scouts promise sort of set

up for how we should be having ethics standards for the highest and most consequential court in the land. it's completely unacceptable and not only unacceptable, but to have one of our coequal branches be completely unaccountable to the others is paving the path to authoritarianism, tyranny, the abuse of power in the united states. it's structurally, completely unsustainable. it's not a question of if congress has jurisdiction and power over the supreme court. it is what power are we going to exercise in order to reign in a fundamentally unaccountable and rogue court? one of the beautiful things about the roundtable today is we were able to call in one of our senate colleagues, senator white house, who has been pursuing extensive investigations into the dark

money networks that has been exerting influence over the court and we raised and discussed a varying degrees of measures from term limits to actual binding ethics standard and congressman raskin i myself will be introducing a forthcoming legislation to even have the supreme court be subject to the same $50 gift rule that he and i are subject to is everyone else is, members of congress. >> that is a great point. i was talking to my wife kate shaw who gave testimony today before your hearing. she pointed out to me that if i'm not mistaken, things like, you can get a book deal as a supreme court justice but you could not be a partner of wilmer hail. that's something congress passed a statute to say what you could or could not do. you would be nuts to be a supreme court justice and have a side gig as a lawyer. presumably, you can change data

congress can pass statutes that says this is not allowed. >> congress has a ban on outside employment and as aoc was saying, we have a $50 gift ban. none of us goes near doing that. >> you don't do $500,000 vacations? >> that's a comical thing. members of congress don't even understand that. what circumstances would a supreme court justice accept millions of dollars in foreign travel prepaid tuition for very -- family members or recreational vehicle, motor stagecoach. it's outlandish to contemplate. that's a general level of funds for people over here. the normal business as usual at the supreme court that they are collecting millions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of dollars from the so-called friends. we need to clean that up. we said, we will start was

something simple that the country can understand immediately. we want a $50 gift ban for u.s. supreme court justices. they make $300,000 a year. pay for your own lunch and you're on vacation. >> that does seem quite clear congresswoman and has the advantage, there's issues to deal with. in some ways, the only way to legislate for congress to act as outlaying broad principles that are broadly applicable. >> absolutely. as all of us as public servants of federal public servants whether it's both chambers of congress, the white house, many of us are subject to the same if not extremely similar and uniform code of ethics. the fact that the supreme court which is already unelected, at least for those of us who run for office, we have to re-run for office every two years in the house.

for an unelected body of nine people appointed for life do not have any sort of binding, strict ethics code to which they cannot only be held accountable but which can be enforced, is actually ludicrous. it's almost unbelievable that we are sitting here in the year 20 24/200 years after the establishment of this country, and we have not addressed this issue. it is something that's long past doing and it's common sense. >> one thing we addressed is how the private corruption of the justices mirrors the public correction -- corruption of. it has been dismantling civil rights law, civil liberties, women's right to choose an abortion, labor law, consumer law, you name it. as they grow more removed from the experiences of the way the rest of us live, the more they are willing to demolish the

protections the rest of us need to. >> there's a bunch of things to happened outside of the purview of this question, the court has to deal with equal justice under law and i wonder if you would stick around to talk about that. >> love to. >> love to.

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still with me congressman jamie raskin and congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez, the ranking and vice ranking members of the house oversight committee. today, the president's son was convicted on counts he was charged with. i went to read the president's statement and get your reaction.

he said i will accept the outcome of this case and will continue to respect the judicial process. jill and i will always be there for hunter and the rest of our family with our love and support. nothing will change that. what did you think of that? >> i mean, it was very residential and he showed in his statement love for his son and love for his country including the rule of law. the different reactions between republican colleagues and democratic colleagues with the trump verdict in the hunter biden verdict, it's astounding. nobody on our side said the fix was in. nobody said it was a travesty. nobody said that justice system needs to be turned upside down. everybody accepted it. hunter biden like donald trump had the right of counsel which he exercised. he had the presumption of innocence and had the right to take the stand but chose not to

do. trump chose not to do. they had unanimous jury verdicts finding they were guilty on all counts. i am saying about that what i said about trump's burdick which is they have a right to appeal and they can do that under due process. thank gut we've got that in america and we will stand by the rule of law and the system of justice for the same reason we are fighting for a supreme court that restores its integrity and reputation. we need to have that kind of confidence not just at the trial level, federal court or state court, we need it all the way up. those supreme court justices are a runaway body at this point. >> speaking of state court in new york, congresswoman you represent part of new york. there was insults and vitriol that has been directed at alvin bragg from donald trump down in the people's carrying water for him. that has escalated. he is being called for the house republicans before i

think the judiciary committee and be grilled by house republicans have rallied behind trump since his conviction. gop lawmakers are perpetuated the false narrative that president biden ordered his prosecution. what do you think about the fact that they are escalating to the point where they will haul alvin bragg before congress? >> what we are seeing here unfold is an out right abuse of power in the politicization, the seats of power these republicans hold to intimidate the courts and exact political revenge. we have to look at this from a basic jurisdictional point of view. alvin bragg is not even dad it's not even a federal case. we are looking at a state court. we are looking at municipal and state courts. we have republicans who are trying to haul them in, on what grounds exactly? it's not federal court.

they do not have jurisdiction over it. it is truly an attempt at public targeting. we see they do this. it's in the model of donald trump and the model of invoking and trying to incite as much anger and intimidation in order for them to get the outcomes they want. >> and they are eager to be servile sycophants of donald trump that their political judgment is up. that's not where the public is and they understand what the hunter biden verdict in the donald trump verdict the rule of law is working and they are intervening as you say in a state case in order to placate donald trump. >> precisely. what we are also seeing is the stark contrast between joe biden and donald trump. president biden we have yes a loving father who was there to be supportive of his son but also a president who respects the rule of law and willing to accept the outcomes of a case even if the outcome is not in favor with his family or his

personal outcomes. you have donald trump who takes and weaponize is the seats of government, the seats of power, and embarks on a campaign of political intimidation in order to secure outcomes that personally benefit him. that at the core is part of the stakes of our democracy that are before us today. once rule of law goes out the window, it's not something that is easy to get back. it's very much a part of the decision we have to make in the next few months. >> thank you for all your time tonight. that's all in on this tuesday night . night . tuesday night. good evening, alex. >> we have some new exclusive audio from the supreme court historical society that lauren windsor has given us and