classmates. 20 students died in all, along with six educators. the finer details of the ceremony are a secret, under wraps, not for those of us in the public, and with good reason. those children, those young adults now, and their families have already been through so much. they have been so under public scrutiny these past 12 years, through tragedy, conspiracy theories, a very public defamation trial, the curse of having to relive their trauma after every subsequent school shooting, the rest of us remember where we were, how we felt, what it was like to learn in that dark december day. this afternoon isn't about the rest of us, it is about them. an inspiring group of young people, they scars they never asked for, didn't deserve, but against all odds carried on, in what was no less a remarkable achievement of the human spirit. the newtown graduating class of

2024, we send our congratulations, goodness knows you have earned it and so much more. thank you so much for letting us into your homes during these extraordinary times. we are so grateful. "the beat" with ari melber starts right now. >> here here, thanks for sharing that. >> have a good show. >> appreciate it. >> welcome to "the beat," i am ari melber. steve bannon's path to court, new developments on his case. democrats are on the senate floor demanding action to reform the supreme court. senate republicans trying to block it. we have those stories coming up in the hour. we begin right now with the white house race. the first debate is just two weeks out. it's the earliest presidential campaign ever. the biden campaign pushed the schedule in a bid to galvanize its side. as the general election begins in earnest, we hear from so many people that this is one of the most important elections ever. but, when you ask why it's so

important, the answers do vary. >> there is one thing that is a very clear choice in this election, and it is between having a democracy and not. >> in election is about good versus evil. >> it's about main street values, core american freedoms. >> the unimaginable damage that's been done by joe biden to this country. >> what is about competence versus chaos. >> immigration is at the top of the mind for the american voter. >> i am definitely concerned about women's rights. >> this autocracy issue will be an enormous issue for americans. >> integrity. >> integrity. >> democracy. >> democracy. >> women's health care. >> at stake in the november election, your tax dollars. >> our democracy is at stake. >> a lot of big issues. in fact, there are many different topics behind for what may be the top issue that could decide the election, and they're

significant. for many people, democracy or women's rights or immigration, these are all huge. but i can tell you tonight, and this is our special report for the key voting blocs in the few states that decide the presidential race, the news is that many indicators show the key issue is the economy, and quite specifically, prices in the cost of living, which is a huge concern for people. high prices, inflation and the pandemic hangover have hit people hard. if you aren't perhaps stressed about that, you might not be in that situation, in one of these voting blocs, i'm going to tell you and show you the facts, a lot of people are. they're in the key states deciding the race through the electoral college, which is how we pick presidents in this country. most people say, cost of living is how they view the economy's strength. keep that in mind because the economy is actually doing quite well on several fronts, like jobs, wages, the stock market, and prices did go up, but inflation itself continues to

fall. there's good news on that front again today. >> the u.s. gdp, though, has increased, and increased beyond economist expectations in 2024, the exact opposite of what would be defined as a recession. >> the labor market that has been resilient and often stronger than expected. >> on paper, the economy is doing really well. the stock market is soaring, wages are creeping up and unemployment is low. >> mea culpa, i was wrong about the slow down. >> the last voice was larry kudlow, a conservative figure saying he was wrong about a possible recession popping up in the biden era. and he was recounting that as you saw there to fox business, which fixates on the stock market, which has reached these record highs this week. now, take stocks and these other rebounds, and the u.s. is not just having an objectively good recovery lately, but compared to the developed nations, this is the strongest economic recovery since the pandemic.

that's from independent international sources like world bank. there's major growth that's out stripped inflation. many americans say they have found their own situation in their own homes, their own jobs, their own budgets, has been improving. most voters are feeling positive about hair personal financial situation. that's according to a battery of surveys and noble prize winning economist, paul krugman who writes that but there is a but, that even though americans do see the rebound in their own finances, their own budgets, like i said, the same voters, quote, insist the economy is terrible overall. so what do we have here? obviously money matters. we know that. but the vibes about the money matter even more. experts saying there is not any kind of recession. by the way, i just showed you all of these quick tour through the charts, showing all the

positives. some call it a vibe session, and you underestimate the power of vibes at your own peril. i can tell you, vibes matter. vibes are how many people interpret reality. bad vibes can shape reality. as our montage will show you. >> this is giving me really bad vibes, man. >> i have a bad feeling about this. >> oh, why is the air in here so negative? >>. ♪ don't care about vibes ♪ >> i got a bad feeling about this. >> you mean this stuff actually feeds on bad vibes. >> like a cop in a doughnut factory. >> i had an overwhelming sense of ickyness. >> i got a bad feeling about this. >> vibes, bad feelings, you know, in star wars, the bad feelings were proven right. and bad vibes can overwhelm the

economic facts. to overcome the power of vibes and feelings, this can be how people understand what's going on, regardless of what the numbers say. i mean, the economic stuff here is just a set of facts, the politics here means that if you look at what i just showed you, president biden may have actually done the hard part. that's what the economists are saying. that's what trump's own economic adviser had to eat his words about. that's the hard part. lead this rebound from a once in a century pandemic, but biden against the vibes is struggling getting credit. >> we face 13.4 million new jobs. >> as today's jobs numbers made clear, bidenomics is working. >> folks, it's no accident. that's bidenomics in action. >> under president biden, under democratic leadership, the country is on the right track. >> so it's numbers versus vibes,

versus that bad feeling, and then when you look at the politics, we can focus in on what i mentioned, the seven key swing states that will decide this race. the cook political report did a series of bipartisan polls in those places. most voters see this inflation as the worst or weakness part of the economy, a whopping 59% of president biden is having control over that inflation. as a match up, trump has a 16% lead on who people think in those places can better tackle inflation. that's even as economists say prices could actually go up under trump's plans, on tariffs and taxes, which is exactly what he would do about the thing where they think he could do it better. these voters do not see surging jobs or stocks to be the key economic indicators, and the cost of living could define the election for the voters and thus for the rest of us, and could overwhelm biden's advantage on abortion and other issues which

has been documented in these places. one democratic pollster said as part of the report, voters prefer biden on health care and social security, yet their economic frustrations are enough to override all of that. now on the beat, we don't focus on national polls. the national polls tend to be irrelevant. they have even fed the misperceptions through past races you might remember like 2016. we generally don't report on hype about the polls that come out, that go back and forth in the horse race that are often even within or close to the margin of error, but i'm showing you this tonight because this cook polling is more useful. it attracts views, not just the horse race, in those key swing states, and includes this view i mentioned from democratic pollsters. they're rooting for biden, but they say this economic perception or vibes, whatever you want to call it is the issue that could cost joe biden his reelection, and that's even with the rebounds in the economy that i showed you with all the charts and facts. the report says biden's campaign

is bedding, even if economic perceptions do not change, voters will still reelect biden. a theory, once voters appreciate the risk of trump returning to office, they'll go back to biden, and they say trump is betting voters desire prosperity and think biden has failed on that. now, it's not just abstract political polling here. people have more ways to share their views and vibes than ever these days. anecdotally, a lot of people feel these prices and feel this is a problem they face that's in their reality, not through information, media, data, no, it's something they're living and it hurts more than many other things these days. >> i just spent almost $12 on grapes. i'm mind blown at this. >> just picked up a burrito for launch, you know how much it was. $17. i thought not bad, makes sense. >> seven mouths, that's a lot,

and i know everyone is struggling. and trust me, we are too. >> does anyone notice that it's literally becoming impossible to live a normal life because of the inflation that's going on. >> prices are high. the vibes are bad. and the vibes may be worse than the reality but that is the thing about vibes. vibes can change. they can marinate. they can shift or warm or even improve. it's like the good vibes that the beach boys recounted a ray of sunlight or wind ripping through the air or the sound of a gentle word can have you, you know the rest, can have you picking up good vibrations, and before you know, we've got the exultations.

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bidenomics is working. >> i got a bad feeling about this. >> feelings, vibes, or facts, we're joined by clinton's labor secretary robert reich, and howard dean, welcome to both of you. governor dean, we try to be straightforward, the market numbers and the jobs numbers and even the price index all of that's going well. but i think you'd have to be ignoring what's out there in the polling and the other indicators we showed to see that there is a bad vibe. what do you make of that contrast, governor dean, and how is your vibe today as well, tell us how you're feeling vibe-wise. >> the vibe always lags the reality. second of all trump is doing everything he can because he has no throttle on his ability to lie, and the third thing, which i think most people don't realize is that republicans always cause inflation, and the reason -- the way they do it is to give tax breaks to the wealthiest people in america, and then not pay for them. the largest deficits in history

have been run by the last four republican presidents. and it's because they give huge tax cuts as reagan did and both bushes and trump, without paying for them. because the republicans will not make the necessary cuts in order to pay for the tax cuts because they're so impossible and so unpopular. it is ironic. i think your thesis is right, and the question is can we turn this around. the way i would do it is put pressure on the fed to lower interest rates, and that will be very helpful. biden has made this economy grow. trump was the one that screwed it up in the first place. >> professor reich, i doubt you would quibble with the premise that vibes matter and so there's the vibes and there's the data. your thoughts? >> well, the governor is absolutely right. but let me just add to that, by saying that certainly when people feel that the cost of living is very very high, and they can't make ends meet, you

can't tell them that they're wrong. you can't tell them that their feelings are wrong. i mean, that just doesn't work, and the reality is this. in certain areas of the economy, particularly in food and energy, talking about the gas pump, and also rents, we're seeing prices very very high, and i think part of the reason is corporate power, monopoly power, pricing power. and that's been there. it's growing over the years. the economy is much more concentrated in fewer big corporate hands than it was years ago. and i think although president biden has tried to do a lot about it, and has been fairly successful in terms of anti-trust, aggressive anti-trust action, perhaps in terms of messaging, he could be even more aggressive and name names, companies that are

basically keeping their prices up, even though their profits are at record levels. their stock prices are at record levels. their ceo pay is at record levels but they're not treating their consumers well. >> yeah, you mentioned what can be done there, the president broadly has talked about it, and price gouging is a piece of this. take a listen. >> too many raise their prices and pad the profits, charging more and more for less and less. that's why we're cracking down on corporations engaged in price gouging and deceptive pricing. >> professor. >> professor reich, your thoughts on sort of that or you're saying we should go further than that. >> well, i think he could go a little bit further than that. for example, we know that exxon mobil is a gigantic oil company. it is colluding around the world, keeping oil prices up.

we know that tyson's food and also albertson's and krogers, some of the major grocery chains are keeping their prices up. pepsico, a major food supplier and processer is keeping its prices up, even though they are enjoying record markups in profits. i could go on, why not do what some, i think, very successful senatorial campaigns are now doing, and that is be aggressive about the companies that are being unfair to consumers. >> and governor dean, we have a little more sound just of this economic point, and i think the professor put it well. your pitch can't be telling people that they're wrong or their feelings are invalid. it's true in politics and relationships, right, feelings are part of how people process the world, and yet there is this gap that we're talking about that could be the big kahuna, above democracy and other issues we talked about. this is some of the coverage about the vibes versus reality.

>> we keep hearing people say they don't feel good about the economy. so is it the economy they're talking about or is it really code for life. >> by virtually every available metric, the economy seems to be doing really well. it's been a big debate about the economy, whether it's good, whether it is bad. >> and so governor, would you say you agree with what the professor says, okay, you find other ways, and show the action you're taking, show and tell the action against price gouging and that might also bring a sort of true villain into it. or are there other ways to also move the needle a little bit. you mentioned trump lying a little bit earlier. the swing state data we showed is not just about things being tough, which we've covered, but also a perception that somehow donald trump by 16 points would do more to cut prices. >> yeah, that you have to attack directly. the point i think of many good ones that bob raised is that you have to tell people or amplify

what they already believe. one thing people already believe is that corporations are largely responsible for this kind of stuff. i think the president has started to hit on that, and needs to do more of it. most ceos and most of the wall street ceos have endorsed trump. there's a reason for that. it's going to make them richer if he wins, but it's going to make everybody else poorer. that is something the average american understands, so i think the way to bring them back is not to insist that everything's getting better. it is. it was irresponsible, who has lied, who has already blaming for the fact that the corporations are running over the average american citizen. people already believe that. we need to amplify that. >> and, professor, is there also something of an age gap here. if you talk to people who are strong democratic liberals, they

have this idea that young people should naturally be liberal or liberal to the democratic party but the reality is a lot more complicated and being young today in this economic environment with this level of uncertainty, student loans and everything else is quite different, and while that might not make them deep pure maga, it doesn't mean that they are default votes for this biden/harris coalition now. and i know you've thought about these issues for decades and you have your share of students around you from time to time, so what about that piece of it? we made a point to show younger people in the montage. those aren't people trying to make a political point. that's footage of people saying it's really expensive and they don't have the premise of the next 20 years are going to be better than the last. >> my concern, and i talk to and live with a lot of young people around me. that keeps me young but they are worried about the economy. they are worried about getting into the economy.

they're worried about buying starter homes or at least renting and keeping and maintaining the ability to rent their homes. they're worried about the cost of living overall. it is just huge for them especially, and i think a strategy that tells them they're doing very well is not going to work. i think you've got to say to them, i understand what's happening and we are taking aggressive action to try to stop it. >> yeah. really interesting. governor dean, i'm out of time. you do remember the beach boys, right, i hope you appreciated our variety. >> i do. good vibrations, made to order. >> exactly. it can't only be vermont rappers, governor. >> that's right. >> we got to mix it up sometimes. this is an important topic, and both of you bring a lot to it. robert reich and howard dean. we look at steve bannon and a last ditch effort to avoid the

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themselves which is clearly failing. you can see the bill is under debate right now on the senate floor. you can see democratic senator welsh there, making his argument that democrats are largely aligned on this issue, the majority of the caucus has cosponsored the ethics bill. all of this comes against the bomb shell comments that alito made, secretly recorded by an activist, lauren windsor. in that tape, alito talks about many things. we covered some of that. he goes after an investigative outlet, pro publica that has been reporting facts. i want to be clear, what pro publica has done is reveal things about gifts and hidden activities that justice thomas and others have had to acknowledge. lavish gifts and millions of dollars in gifts. here's one of the recordings. >> i just wanted to ask you why do you think the supreme court is so -- is being so attacked and being so targeted by the media these days?

>> i think it's a simple reason, they don't like our decisions and they don't like how they anticipate we may decide some cases. and there are, i mean, there are groups that are very well funded by ideological groups that have spearheaded these attacks. pro publica gets a lot of, you know, gets a lot of money, and they have spent a fortune investigating clarence thomas for example. you know, everything he's ever done in his entire life, and they've done some of that to me too. >> justice alito's apparently unvarnished thoughts. there are groups that spend money on the left, right, and across the spectrum dealing with legal issues in the supreme court. some of the key exposes here have uncovered facts, facts that were hidden for justice thomas. windsor approaches conservatives and pretending to be an ally, and secretly records the

comments. that's the context for what you're hearing. the growing crisis of confidence also highlighting a lot of problems for republicans. today, republican senators said that what are basic terms here. thomas took millions of dollars, some of it in secret. members of congress would be in a lot of trouble for secretly doing that, and yet now, in an effort to defend anything on the court, republican senators are saying this would interfere to have basic ethics rules. >> i think it's a campaign of harassment against the supreme court in order to try to undermine public confidence, and i think it's dangerous, frankly. >> it's absurd, and to threaten funding, i mean, remember, they're an independent branch of government. i mean they have a term. >> this is unconstitutional overreach, this would undermine the court's ability to operate effectively, and it's been a continued effort by our friends on the democratic side to undermine a court they don't

like. >> now, there are a lot of debates about this supreme court. and it is certainly true that democrats in the senate, and writ large have been very critical of the court's decisions, but the bill tonight is not about punishing or let alone trying to reverse decisions which congress cannot do. it is a very straightforward bill to mandate some ethics in the face of these ethics violations, and it is striking to see the party of so called limited government, the republicans, not only oppose that, but apparently, and again, we're covering this as it happens, potentially filibuster it so there can't be a vote in the united states about whether or not the public, through their representatives want to have binding ethics on our supreme court. we mentioned pro publica, we have a special guest tonight, pro publica reporter, justin elliot who has been extensively reporting on the supreme court on these issues. thanks for being here, justin. >> thanks for having me. >> first, given the comments from justice alito, any response

from you? >> yeah, i mean, candidly, i found it surprising because what he's saying, the allegation that our reporting specifically was idealogically motivated because we didn't like the court's decisions is just speculation, surprising coming from a supreme court justice because it's based on no facts. i and a couple of my colleagues did the reporting. it started organically, we were looking at the travel practices originally of all of the supreme court justices. we looked very hard at some of the democratic appointed justices and we simply haven't found, you know, examples of like george soros funding the life of elena kagan or something like that. there's no evidence that anything like that has happened at this point. what we found is just thomas and alito were outliers. >> that's an important point you're making. what he said there was an

assertion. he was asserting this was solely targeted at him and justice thomas. you're reporting on the record that that's false. you looked at all the justices and looking at again, thanks to your reporting, we'll put up the thomas chart. people can take in the facts themselves. it would look like the type of money thomas is taking, sometimes dwarfing his salary would be the issue that would engender more coverage for him. go ahead to the point you were making. >> again, how this started, again, i'm the one that did it with my colleagues is we had a stack of u.s. marshals documents that were highly redacted, detailing the travel of justices and we started picking out references to private jets. didn't have the justices names there. we didn't know who we were looking at. through months of reporting, we were able to piece together stories, that justice thomas was having harlan crow pay for

luxury vacations, private jets and the like, and harlan crow was paying private school tuition for justice thomas's relative that he was raising as a son. if we found during that reporting or if we found now again that there was some liberal billionaire doing some things similar for justice sotomayor, we would be happy to report that, and if anyone out there has any information, you can find my contact info very easily on our stories. that's the first thing i would say. justice alito said pro publica had spent a fortune on this. and i guess the definition of that term is debatable. we're talking about the salary of a few reporters and travel expenses, so, you know, we were just, the tools for this work are a telephone and a computer. >> yeah, all very interesting to get you on the record for that. we're looking at live images on the senate floor, with senator coons speaking.

i mentioned this has political overtones. to cover the supreme court, there's a strong set of reactions, political, ideological, you could say they're about rights. people care about those reasons. the ethics package has a bit more oversight that night the current zero oversight. nobody can do anything about this unless congress changes it. your view on how we got to this point and what it means to have republicans blocking potentially a vote on such a basic measure tonight, 6:30, 4:00 p.m. in the d.c. senate, and they're still going. >> yeah, i mean, the context here, and i was surprised to learn this, when i got into this reporting last year is that the supreme court paradoxically, given that it's, you know, one of the most powerful bodies in our government has very few binding ethics rules. i can't tell you how many calls i got from ordinary federal government workers after we did this reporting saying, you know, they can't take like a $50 lunch

or t-shirt or something like that, and supreme court justs -- justices were taking potentially millions of dollars of travel and other gifts, including, by the way, in justice alito's case, travel from a hedge fund billionaire whose hedge fund had cases that justice alito did not recuse himself from. this sort of thing would not be allowed for ordinary workers in the federal government, even congress, you know, not known as necessarily a paragon of ethics has much stricter rules than the court. that's the context people can disagree about whether there should be stricter rules. the bill would be imposed somewhat modestly tighter rules. i don't think you're going to see this become law anytime soon. but, you know, we'll see. >> and we're charting that again, as they work into the night and have that push for a vote on the senate floor. justin elliot, thank you so much for joining us. we've got a lot more in the show including a book called ban this

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the big news lately, was donald trump convicted of a crime. many of his aides have been convicted and the legal process takes time. steve bannon, who chaired donald trump's 2016 campaign, who

served in his white house is now, according to a judge's order, headed to prison. and he's exercising his last ditch appeals. bannon just filed an emergency motion that asked the federal appeals court to keep him out of prison while he appeals. this is the same court process where he has run out of delay tactics. he was found guilty and sentenced to four months over his effort to basically defy the january 6th investigators, and remember, a lot of other folks cooperated. he was found to have completely defied. he wouldn't sit down. he wouldn't cooperate. the court has ordered him now to report to this prison sentence beginning july 1st. obviously that's pretty soon. he is just trying to exhaust any other appeal he can, and he says he'll take it all the way to the supreme court. there is recent precedent that's bad news for bannon about whether or not he begins july in prison. peter navarro convicted on the same offense and tried this tactic, hoping the supreme court might give him a pawn to delay

or anything. that didn't work, and here's how it all played out. >> the likelihood of me going to prison is relatively small because we are right on this issue. >> former trump adviser, peter navarro was sentenced to four months in prison. >> navarro filed an appeal of his conviction. >> peter navarro must report to prison. >> the supreme court rejected peter navarro's attempt to stay out of jail. >> i am willing to go to prison to settle this issue. >> peter navarro now in prison tonight. >> i'm pissed. >> mr. navarro is in a federal prison right now. those efforts and the hope that the supreme court court make might a rare exception and get involved failed. navarro wanted a special exception or loophole, and he didn't get it. mr. bannon is legally allowed to make these requests, make these appeals, but if the court follows that same precedent, we

would expect him to lose and have to report to prison july 1st. bannon is publicly talking about plotting revenge against this very system. he has said the doj is corrupt, and while he is the one facing of course conviction and scheduled prison time, he's talking about the idea that if donald trump is reelected, he, bannon, would be back in power with others, and they would jail their opponents. >> the doj is completely corrupt from top to bottom. it's going to have to be purged. >> maybe he won't jail all of his political opponents. but one's too many. no, one's not enough. and they're not political opponents. they're enemies. >> we want you to fear. it's going to be accountability. we are taking apart the administration. and that will come with authority. the authority of donald john trump. >> this is america.

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it chronicles one student's struggle facing school censorship. the complaint here says this book, however, actually teaches rebellion of school board authority. the censorship is part of a larger pattern. we have covered this in different ways. sometimes it's very direct. like ideas are being attacked. i want to show you some examples "a handmade's tale," "native son," i read that in school, "the diary of ann frank" has been banned. think about what that means. there are debates about when and how people should read things. it's fine and fair to have good

faith debates in school and in school boards and in parent/teacher meetings about what age is the right time for what things. what we are seeing here is not that. what we are seeing is supposed concern, supposed outrage over certain material that people might disagree with. sometimes it's racial or sexual. sometimes it's flagged by a single parent. if a community is having a debate about whether should be exposed to 12-year-olds or 15-year-olds, that might be legitimate. we have seen reports that a single parent has pushed not a third or not half but all of the resulting decisions. the author is saying, it feels like they are ashamed of what

they are doing and they don't want a book on the shelves that calls them out. there are many different type of books targeted. we have passed some sort of line or "seinfeld" moment if it weren't so serious, when the book "ban this book" about this crackdown at schools is the book that's been banned. i want to bring that to you. i want to tell about you something else interesting. we started the program discussing the way that the biden campaign is trying to sometimes sell good things that have happened, but make sure people know about them. we showed you various ways that's going down. here at end of the hour, i want to show you one way the biden campaign is trying to appeal to people. that includes targeting younger voters on tiktok. both biden and trump have said maybe it should be divested. what you see here, including the unflattering picture of trump courtesy of the biden campaign, is one of the new tiktoks which

plays music from and sides with the very famous respected, beloved rapper kendrick lamar, who bested drake in a musical battle. you have the biden campaign tapping that. lamar won a pulitzer prize. it's the first time though put the poetry of hip hop on par with literature with its prestigious awards. that goes to another connection. alice walker was the first black woman to ever win a pulitzer. these things change over time. before alice walker, a pulitzer prize had never crossed that line as they have through hip hop poetry. she won it for "the color purple." that's a novel kendrick lamar quotes in his song. that's the kind of connection we love around here. now that kendrick lamar is back in the news courtesy of biden on tiktok and the musical battle,

we wanted to share with you, alice walker discussing this. i was thinking to myself, she must know about this. so i asked her, are she heard about lamar quoted her famous novel? she hadn't heard about t. here is that exchak. kendrick lamar is the first rapper to win a pulitzer prize. i want to play something that echoed your work. ♪ my life i has to fight ♪ ♪ all my life i had hard times ♪ >> you have heard him quote you before? >> no. >> you have never seen that? >> no. >> he is big. he is not alice walker big, but he is big. >> i'm happy for him. he is understanding that is the truth, else for poor people and

people of color in this country. we have had to fight all of our lives. it's a good thing we can talk to each other across generations. >> that's the truth of it. it's good to talk across generations. tonight, alice walker gets the last word about her words. we can learn and listen to each other. that was a throwback clip. you can go to msnbc.com/ari and you will see our youtube play list there, including that classic alice walker interview. we leave that up for free. you can share and send it to family and friends. keep it locked.

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