the capitol where a wife of a dreamer works? we have to do everything we can in administrative action, while i'm with my palm card walking up and down the floor during session getting the last of the democrats that haven't signed on to become co-sponsors of the bill. >> congresswoman ramirez, thank you for being with us. i appreciate your time. let's continue our conversation going forward. >> thank you. absolutely. that wraps up the hour for me. i'm jose diaz-balart. you can watch clips from our show at youtube. thank you for the privilege of your time. i will be back here at 1:00 p.m. eastern. "andrea mitchell reports" starts right now. right now on "andrea mitchell reports," abortion takes center stage at the supreme court with the justices punting the debate over the popular drug mifepristone back

down the legal ladder, keeping it on the market for the foreseeable future. also, the president of the united states huddling with world leaders at the g7 summit in italy ahead of a highly anticipated news conference with ukraine's president zelenskyy. the former president returns to the capitol right near the scene of the most controversial moment of his time in office on january 6th, shoring up support among republican lawmakers and business leaders with hopes of returning to the white house. ♪♪ a very good day to all of you. i'm alex witt in for andrea mitchell. a major ruling from the supreme court today. it's unanimous. the widely used abortion pill mifepristone can stay on the market. the supreme court rejected a challenge to the drug brought by anti-abortion doctors who question the food and drug administration's authority to ease access to the pill saying

the groups had no legal standing. writing for the court, justice kavanaugh said, while plaintiffs have sincere legal, moral, ideological and policy objections to the regulation of the drug, that doesn't mean they have a federal case. president biden reacting to supreme court ruling last hour. nbc news washington correspondent yamiche alcindor is joining us from the supreme court and barbara mcquade joining us as well. welcome. yamiche, reading from this ruling, justice kavanaugh writes, the plaintiffs have failed to demonstrate that fda's relaxed regulatory requirements likely would cause them to suffer an injury in fact. for that reason, the federal courts are the wrong forum for addressing the plaintiffs'

concerns about fda's actions. yamiche, big picture discussion about the major impact this has on women and reproductive rights in this country. >> good afternoon. this is, as you noted, the most significant abortion ruling put out by the supreme court since two years ago when this court overturned roe v. wade, the 6-3 court. they are saying the doctors who oppose abortion and anti-abortion groups didn't have the standing to bring this lawsuit to try to force the fda to not have the approval and to not have this mifepristone pill be approved nationwide by mail, telehealth visits. what we are seeing the justices saying, this group of people were not the right people. there are people who are underscoring that means they are leaving the door open to see if others, patients that might claim they were harmed by mifepristone or doctors who say they were forced to administer mifepristone, that they could bring a different kind of

separate case. that being said, today in a decision written by kavanaugh, who hinted at the way that he was looking at this during oral arguments -- as one point he said, doesn't federal law prohibit doctors who oppose abortion from being forced to provide abortion care? you saw even conservative justices during the oral arguments questioning the standing of the doctors here and people who brought the lawsuit. overall, the fda was arguing mifepristone is very safe. it's something that women across this country can use safely. we know that something like the majority of women who have access to abortion, that they do it through medication abortion, something like 63% of women do that. that number has gone up since roe v. wade was overturned. the court is saying, mifepristone, access is the same. if you are wondering, watching this case saying, am i going to have access? the answer is, yes, for now. a lot of democrats that i have been texting with, including senior advisors from the biden-harris campaign, are underscoring what the president

has been saying, really this just means the drug is safe for now. in practice, someone else could come and sue and take away access to this bill or in particular, the former president trump could be elected and ban it. a lot going on. the access to the pill remains the same. >> you keep on saying, right now, for now. let's pick up on that with you, barbara. >> the court said that our clients don't have standing in this case. we are grateful the case will continue with three states working to hold the fda accountable for its reckless actions. >> is she right? is it going to continue? if so, where does this go next? back to the states? >> this case itself will not continue because these plaintiffs lack standing. standing is the rule that says, you have to have actual skin in the game, that you are going to

suffer some harm under this law. what the court said today is that these doctors who say that maybe some day i might possibly have to perform an abortion, if mifepristone doesn't work the way it's supposed to and as justice kavanaugh said, it's too speculative. they have the ability to opt out under these conscious objector standards. what erin is referring to is this battle rages on elsewhere in other states. mifepristone is banned in 16 states already. there are other challenges to this drug pending in other courts. i think she's made it clear that although in this case, mifepristone continues to survive another day, but it's still under assault in many places in the united states. >> yamiche, this patchwork, it's like a patchwork of abortion laws and restrictions in this country, it's confusing, not just for patients but for doctors, too.

yamiche, are you plugged? >> yes. i wanted to make sure you were asking me that. it's very confusing for doctors and patients. i should tell you i have talked to a number of doctors who say there's this chilling affect. even if the supreme court and local supreme courts are saying that you can have access to abortion in these certain ways, you think of places like texas where you say women bring a lawsuit that said they wanted -- they wanted the texas supreme court to clarify whether or not there are instances where you can have an abortion under emergency circumstances, they lost that. they are saying there are doctors that they could be put in prison for giving women health care, emergency access to care if they were having complications with abortion, a miscarriage. a lot of confusion around the country. i have been talking to women and doctors in particular who say they are scared because the landscape is shifting and

unclear. >> absolutely. a lot more discussion to come. thank you both. a tale of two presidents. president biden talks global policy with america's allies overseas. former president trump holds court in washington. that's all next when "andrea mitchell reports" is back in 90 seconds. indigestion iberogast bloating iberogast thanks to a unique combination of herbs, iberogast helps relieve six digestive symptoms to help you feel better. six digestive symptoms. the power of nature. iberogast. ♪ you need t-mobile... ♪ ♪ home internet with 5g. ♪ wait! t-mobile has home internet? ♪ what a feeling! ♪ ♪ to have t-mobile now! ♪ i told myself i was ok with my moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis symptoms. with my psoriatic arthritis symptoms. but just ok isn't ok. and i was done settling.

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abortion pill mifepristone will add to the debate over reproductive rights on the campaign trail. blocks away, donald trump is right now huddling with congressional republicans and business leaders in his first trip back to that area around the u.s. capitol since the january 6th attack. overseas, president biden is meeting with world leaders at the g7 summit in italy. the u.s. and our allies recommitting support to ukraine with a massive $50 billion loan and a new ten-year security deal between the u.s. and kyiv. i'm joined now by gabe gutierrez. he is joining us from the g7 summit. ali vitali and peter baker. welcome all. gabe, we will start with you. this loan is going to be funded by the windfalls -- perhaps interest from the nearly $300 billion in frozen russian assets. what details do we have about this and the deal president

biden is expected to sign today with president zelenskyy? >> reporter: alex, good afternoon. as you said, the g7 leaders agreeing to give ukraine this $50 billion loan. it comes from $300 billion in frozen russian assets around the world. $50 billion of that is interest income over the next ten years. the g7 leaders want to give that money up front to ukraine right now to help with the war effort. behind me in a short time, president biden and president zelenskyy are set to announce an executive agreement between the two countries. here is what it does and here is what it doesn't do. it commits the u.s. to a long-term security agreement with ukraine, essentially for ten years. the u.s. is committing to train and equip ukrainian soldiers. here is what it doesn't do. it doesn't commit u.s. soldiers from going into ukraine territory to defend it. this all comes amid growing

tensions across the world. there's a host of topics that will come up here at this g7 summit, including concerns over artificial intelligence, the global economy and infrastructure around the world. president biden just spoke at a roundtable a short time ago and laid out the stakes. >> i think we stand at an inflection point in history. it occurs every five, six, seven generations. the decisions we make now will determine the course of our future for the next five or six decades. i truly believe the investments we are taking will set that course on a stronger path. >> reporter: this executive agreement between the u.s. and ukraine, it's not a treaty. it does not need to be ratified by congress. in theory, the next administration could walk away from it if president biden is

not re-elected. >> okay. i'm sure that doesn't come as a comfort to zelenskyy. let's move to you, ali. today will be the first time that donald trump and senate republican leader mitch mcconnell are in the same room since before january 6th. what is donald trump's goal there today in d.c.? what is the subtext of his visit? >> reporter: the first time that mcconnell and trump will be in the same room, but also potentially the first time they have spoken, if they speak at all directly, in that larger meeting with trump and senate republicans. he just wrapped up what some people here are calling a pep rally, with house republicans. certainly, that lasted for an hour this morning and touched on a range of issues from abortion and other key policy issues for the 2024 election. it also included house republicans singing a very early rendition of "happy birthday" to the former president. many of them leaving that room and almost acting like it was a congressional coronation of sorts for the man who is the

next republican nominee and who will resume his mantle as the gop standard bearer. trump is in the midst of meeting with business executives. we have seen the ceo of eli lilly and bank of america walk in. it's behind closed doors. the most interesting thing that we will see is when he gets to be with senate republicans, it's going to be allies next to critics listen to the man who will lead the party into the election. while we expect several senators who have been critical of the former president not to attend -- senator murkowski, senator collins, who are citing scheduling conflicts, there's one member who is notably going to be in attendance, senator romney who said he had a flight to catch. the scheduling wasn't going to work out to be in the meeting

alongside his colleagues and the president he has sparred with. but it appears his flight plans have changed. so have his plans to be at this meeting with the former president. you ask about the subtext. this is really something that looms over the capitol almost every day that we are here, which is that the january 6th insurrection and the first time that trump is back on the capitol complex, which you can think about as a college campus. it's a lot of buildings clustered around this area and around the capitol. it's his first time back here since the january 6th insurrection he fomented. >> as you were speaking, we got word that mitt romney walked into that meeting. he was accompanied by holly langford britt. he is showing up. let me move to you, peter. president biden is not only the world leader at the g7 facing

political threats here at home, you have british prime minister sunak, he faces a vote next month. french president macron, he just dissolved his country's parliament. how does this add to the urgency of what the g7 is trying to achieve and how they can ensure what they agree to lasts after they are gone? gabe made that point. there are no guarantees. >> yeah. it's an unsettled moment at this g7 meeting. not only is the president facing a tough challenge from donald trump, but as you say, macron and the german chancellor saw their parties thrashed in the european elections last weekend. neither one got more than 15% of the vote. that caused president macron to dissolve his parliament and call for new national elections. prime minister sunak is not expected to be at the next g7. his elections will almost always

go to the opposition. it's a moment where you have the most important leaders, a lot on their back foot. that's a problem in terms of commitment toward ukraine, if you are the ukrainian leaders. you are wondering what it's going to be like after these set of elections are held in france and britain and particularly in the united states. if you are vladimir putin watching from the sideline, you are thinking things are going well for you right now. all you have do is hang on there and maybe the west will lose its will to resist and maybe won't stand up for ukraine in the future if former president trump wins again. >> i want to thank all of you for weighing in on this. reproductive rights, the nation's largest protestant denomination votes to oppose ivf. the debate makes an impact on

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less than a day before today's supreme court decision to keep the popular abortion pill mifepristone on the market for now, the fight over reproductive rights played out at indianapolis at the southern baptist convention. they voted to condemn in vitro

fertilization. the catalyst for the debate was a ruling by the alabama state supreme court earlier this year that frozen embryos are children. there was disagreement about ivf even at the convention. >> reporter: why are you disappointed by this resolution passing? >> i think that some of the language is a little harsher than i would like. some of the language implies that there's no use for ivf that is ethical. i know of circumstances, because my godson was conceived in this circumstance, where ivf was used in a very ethical way that's consistent with pro-life and

christian ethics. >> joining me now is sara jones and jen palmieri. sara, i want to point out that you have a former christian fundamentalist. give me a quick summary. how significant is this vote by the southern baptist convention? >> absolutely. as you said, did i grow up a conservative evangelical. i went to a conservative college. we heard growing up that abortion was a sin. towards the end of my time in that world, i began to hear more about certain forms of contraception, less about ivf. there's been a study that i would argue reflects a growing radicalism within the anti-abortion movement. >> jen, the biden campaign is

tieing this southern baptist vote against ivf and today abortion pill ruling, tieing it to donald trump and the supreme court that he helped shape. separately on capitol hill today, democrats are holding a messaing vote to protect ivf. republicans are expected to vote against it. how will this play leading up to the election in november? >> the southern baptist convention, that has, over many decades, been an important political barometer. it used to -- it used to be a place where you saw a lot of democrats as well. it's an important barometer for evangelicals and republicans. i saw a woman -- a former trump policy advisor talk about this on the christian broadcast network. basically, her argument was, ivf is a slippery slope.

it's the same justification for abortion. if you want to eliminate ivf, are you protecting life or are you just talking about control? what is going on here? when you saw, every couple of weeks there's some reminder to america of the havoc that the overturning of roe has had on the u.s., on women's health and telling women how to have children, when they can have children, whether they can have children. this is another reminder of that. i don't understand why the senate republicans would not vote to protect ivf. i don't understand why they all voted to not protect contraception as a right when they had the opportunity to do that a couple of weeks ago. the mifepristone decision that happened at the supreme court today is good news, but it's just a stay. that case will continue in 16

states that have banned it already. the women's reproductive right, it's under assault everywhere. it goes back to trump. he is the one that created the situation. the biden team is saying, he owns this. he will do their bidding. project 2025, all of this, that's what they are attempting to -- will attempt to legislate. >> indeed. "the new york times" reports that 171,000 patients traveled for abortion care last year. they went from states that have bans in place. what an economic cost to women, many of whom may not have the means to afford it, in addition to the health and mental strain they are facing. right? >> it's an extreme burden, especially on low-income women. we have known this for a long time. it hasn't mattered to the

anti-abortion movement which claims it's for women, that it can balance the rights of the fetus with the rights of woman. that's not true. we can see it in the burden placed on women who are traveling extreme distances to access a basic legal right. >> right you are. jen, here is something to think about. there is supposed to be separation of church and state in our system of government. it states, congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion. the issue of abortion makes you question if that's the case. >> yeah. the other thing from this week, alex, is the recording we heard from justice alito where a person who he does not know, at a public event, put a microphone in front of him and asked him a question that he answered. the point i'm making is that he

was very comfortable sharing this view, which was shocking, where he said he thought it was -- the united states should be a nation of godliness. that is not where the supreme court justices have been. that is not -- to actually say that out loud in a public setting, i think it was -- i found it jarring to see -- if you are willing to say that in that kind of setting, what's happening behind closed doors? the conservative members of the supreme court and the agenda that they are pursuing, when you are willing to be that public about it. >> yeah. it's a big question. you have to wonder. which we are doing right now. thank you to both of you. ethics code, coming up next. the push by democratic lawmakers on capitol hill to exert pressure on the supreme court after a string of controversies

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mitt romney. on the subject of vp hopeful, we haven't spoken about him for a while, but we understand the president met with youngkin yesterday, this happened in virginia. that happened. at one point his name had been thrown about. it should be noted, one of the reasons he won the governorship was the distance he put between himself and donald trump when he was on the campaign trail. interesting to note those two spoke. let's talk about dick durbin who tried to pass an ethics reform bill requiring supreme court justices to adopt a binding code of ethics. it was blocked last night by a group of republican senators. they were led by lindsey graham. it comes as the supreme court has been embroiled in controversy. more than one justice failing to disclose lavish gifts and trips. joining me now, congressman

khana. republicans blocked that latest attempt to get the supreme court to adopt an ethics code. on what grounds did republicans disagree with the ethics reform bill? what options are left now for democrats? >> it makes no sense. every member of congress, every senator is limited to $50 for a gift. here you have reporting of private schools, yachts, private vacations paid for by friends and associates who have business before the court. of course, there should be a code of ethics that says you can't accept those. the republicans are unwilling to hold the court accountable. >> isn't there a code of ethics in place that they are supposed to adhere to? the argument could be that they are supposed to police themselves. it's like the fox guarding the hen house. >> there's a code.

that code is totally insufficient. it does not ban gifts. it doesn't even have concrete disclosure requirements. the issue is, if you have a flag like that, can you be a judge in the case? imagine if you had a referee in the nba championship that was flying a celtics flag outside their house. would we say, okay, you can be a ref? it makes no sense. >> isn't the point to avoid the appearance of impropriety to your point? an appearance even. >> absolutely. that's why i have been very careful in the hearings we have

had to say it's a conflict of interest. i haven't said this is quid pro quo without the evidence. it creates a conflict. in every other area of life, whether it's sports, whether it's financial, we don't allow these conflicts. that's all we're asking for with the supreme court. >> here is the -- what democrats or congress can do. you have proposed legislation to establish 18-year term limits for justices. this would require a constitutional amendment. how realistic is that? >> it wouldn't require a constitutional amendment. the judges are allowed to serve for life under the constitution. they don't have to be on the supreme court for life. the average age of retirement at the supreme court is 78. why not have them serve back on a circuit court or district court? this would make sure that people on the supreme court were in touch with the facts of modern life. >> okay. getting in the weeds.

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the middle east since the start of the israel-hamas war. blinken accuses hamas of making unacceptable demands and trying to change the terms of the cease-fire and hostage proposal laid out by president biden. savannah guthrie asked the secretary about the status of negotiations this morning on "today." >> let's be direct. is hamas negotiating in good faith? >> from our perspective, it's time for the haggling to start and for a cease-fire to start. you have one man who is probably deep underground in gaza for hamas, mr. sinwar, who is making all of these decisions. >> you have said some demands are workable. some are unworkable. is that a diplomatic nicety? has hamas blown up the deal with this response? >> i don't think the deal is blown up. it's still possible. at the end of the day, this has to come to a point where it's either yes or no. >> joining me now from jerusalem, matt bradley.

welcome. do we have any new information on where hamas stands on the cease-fire proposal? >> reporter: alex, we heard from hamas last night. they were saying essentially they rejected what antony blinken was saying, that they are coming up with new demands, they were pushing the envelope when it came to the negotiations. they said their demands have been consistent from the beginning. nbc news had their own information saying they were asking for a change in the time line. this comes from people familiar with the conversations. they were asking for an alternate -- changes in the time line with regard to a permanent cease-fire. not just a temporary cease-fire, but when would a permanent cease-fire be imposed? when would the israelis move their forces out of the gaza strip for good? they said this was our consistent policy from the beginning of the negotiations. they have said they don't want to see a temporary cease-fire, and they will not let any of their hostages go or settle for a pause in the fighting unless

they see a permanent pause, a permanent end to the war in the gaza strip. they said antony blinken's accusations was not fair. we can say that it doesn't seem as though we know for sure that israel has signed on to the deal. this has been taken for granted by the state department, by antony blinken and by that resolution that was passed in the u.n. security council a couple days ago saying israel had accepted the terms and it was up to hamas in order to agree. we heard from president biden who said that this is israel's proposal. then netanyahu spent the better part of the next week walking that back. we don't necessarily have full assurance israel is on board. it looks as though there's a lot of negotiating to be done. >> another issue to discuss, savannah asked secretary blinken about nbc new's reporting the u.s. is considering negotiating unilaterally with hamas to free

the u.s. hostages being held in gaza if this current proposal falls apart. how likely is the prospect of negotiating for americans if that were to be pursued? >> reporter: that's almost impossible to answer. if you will allow me to venture a guess, you could almost hear in antony blinken's voice when he spoke with savannah, the exas pir -- exaspiration. they have been working to get this deal over the line. when are they going to decide that they are not -- that they will pursue their own deal with hamas to free americans? we don't know exactly. it looks as though the negotiations are still ongoing. when do the americans throw in the towel and say, we will inch our own deal with hamas on our

own terms and not include the israelis? we don't know for sure. i would say it looks a lot like mr. blinken and some of his colleagues are at the end of the rope. they are frustrated. they have seen these negotiations going on and on and on. that's a judgment call they have to make. when are they going to give up, when are they going to say this is fruitless, and when are they going to approach hamas on their own? >> speaking of tirelessly working, that's you. thank you, matt. let's go to breaking news. prosecutors announced that evan is to stand trial in russia. >> evan is not here.

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with the breaking news today, the supreme court has rejected a challenge to the wildly popular abortion pill mifepristone, let's look on which to decide, joining me now to break down what we can expect, michael waldman, president of the brennan center for justice, his book super majority how the supreme court divided america is now out in paperback. so congrats to you, michael on that, and paul butler, law professor and former federal prosecutor. welcome to you, my friend. paul, you first. the supreme court could release these decisions anytime today. the big one, trump's claim of presidential immunity in his election interference case as well as those two cases that could limit firearm access, do

you have any predictions on what you think is coming? >> i think the court is going to continue to be ultraconservative despite today's decision? this term the court's gone backwards, alex, on voting rights and its decision allowing south carolina to use a congressional map that three federal judges had said was racially gerrymandering, and of course the court's already decided for trump once in the case where it overturned the colorado supreme court decision that kicked trump off of the ballot on the basis of the 14th amendment insurrection clause. on the immunity case that you mentioned, it's slow dragging on that case right now. everybody including the supreme court justices know that trump's main litigation strategy is delay, delay today, delay, and the court seems to be abating and abetting that strategy. in the oral argument about

immunity the court didn't seem to be willing to -- >> okay, paul's a little bit frozen there. let me correct myself, everybody. we do not expect more releasing today of court decisions, but there will be some tomorrow, and that is somewhat unique. they don't typically make these announcements and release their opinions on a friday, but we will get some tomorrow. michael, does the notoriously conservative court's decision to reject the challenge to mifepristone, does it shape your predictions on how they might handle other cases? >> not really because this would have been so outlandish a decision, it would have had massive political consequences. it would have given, frankly, the democrats a landslide in the congressional elections, and so i was not surprised that they ruled this way. the bigger question is why they took the case. i think, as paul says, this court is continuing to be very conservative and is pressing forward on some pretty significant things. i do think their stop the steal, this was start the stall, the

fact that they heard the trump immunity case in the last hour of the term where they were hearing arguments gave trump what he craved, which was time. i think they will also in some significant cases continue their project of cutting back on on the ability of government to protect the environment and health and safety and fair markets. this is a long-term project for the conservatives on the court and it's just getting started. >> hey, michael, let me just ask, there's no way they could not offer a ruling on this particular case, is there? by the end of the term, which is technically a week from friday. >> you mean on the -- i assume you mean on the trump immunity case. >> correct. i mean, they couldn't punt that any further, could they? >> they i suppose could say, you know, it's such an interesting and important case we're going to hold it over and have it argued again in september. i don't think that's likely. i think instead as we heard in the argument justice gorsuch saying, oh, we must rule for the

ages. i think it is likely they will say that former presidents are not blanket immune from prosecution as trump had asked, but they are doing it in a way that guarantees in all likelihood that voters will not know the information about donald trump's attempt to overthrow the constitution's transfer of power until after the election. >> right. that can buy him time. >> that is what's most significant. >> absolutely. paul, i understand your shot's better. at this point june the supreme court has usually made more progress in decisions. what does that signal to you about the gravity of the cases they are debating right now? >> well, it's -- part of it is the gravity, but every year the supreme court considers issues that have a major impact on the everyday lives of americans, so this isn't any different there. again, with the trump immunity case, i do think we have to be concerned about whether the court is advancing trump's arguments or his strategy for

delay. based on the oral argument, it seems like the court might distinguish between a president's official acts versus his private acts. so if the court rules that trump can't be prosecuted for anything he did that was part of his official presidential responsibilities, that could set up another big fight between jack smith and trump's defense about what counts as an official act. that would mean, alex, you guessed it, more delay. if there's any hope for another criminal trial for the former president before the election, it's the january 6th federal election interference case in d.c. the supreme court is responsible for that case not going to trial before the election, that's in the court's -- right now. >> michael, in about 15, 20 seconds, can you give me the answer to the question as to whether or not with all the ethics controversy surrounding specifically justice clarence thomas and samuel alito, is that

at all being taken into consideration as they consider their opinions in these cases? >> they have not given much evidence of caring much about what the public thinks. i think we should be aware that justice alito in ruling on the insurrection flew the flag of the insurrection outside two of his homes. i don't think they're paying that much attention to the public, but the public should be paying attention to them. >> i thank you both for sharing your thoughts on all of it. michael waldman, paul butler. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." follow the show on social media @mitchellreports. i'll see you back here saturday and sunday at 1:00 p.m. eastern. "chris jansing reports" with josé diaz-balart starts right now. ♪♪ good day. i'm josé diaz-balart in for chris jansing, and we are kicking off a huge hour with multiple stories breaking both here and overseas. in italy, president biden poised to make some big promises to his counterpart in ukraine. there are some