so brazenly torched to admire his or her work. what is uncommon, though, is the arsonist not just being applauded, by the victims, upon his return to the scene of the crime, but being celebrated. today donald trump played the arsonist in the trump-run republican party showcased a version of this phenomenon. meeting separately with house and senate republicans this afternoon, three blocks from where trump was arraigned last year in connection with his efforts to overturn the 2020 election he lost, trump's trip to washington, d.c. today amounted to equal parts chest thumping, america bashing, and more bizarre incoherent ramblings about dating nancy pelosi and the gop convention host city. the press spin for today was that trump would engage in forward looking discussions of policy, but hannibal lecter kept coming up and his animosity to

the department of justice. the immediate aftermath of his 34 felony count in new york and that period trump sought to harness the powers of congress to fight on his behalf. his first call was to, you guessed it, mike johnson. speaker of the house. now trump's henchmen, many of whom make a show of appearing in their matching red ties in court last month, are mobilizing, not to pass any laws, to help the american people, but in an all-out effort to protect trump and help him evade accountability. republican lawmakers are trying everything, they're being really creative, drawing up bills on jurisdiction, weaponizing appropriations, and expanding blockades from president joe biden's appointees. republicans do everything except govern, everything in their power to help trump evade accountability, avoid the rule of law, they didn't always bow quite this low at donald trump's

feet. >> we're on the verge of having someone take over the conservative movement and the republican party who is a con artist. >> donald, you're aive? le a sniveling coward. >> count me out. enough is enough. i tried to be helpful. >> we were trying hard to figure out how do we hold a president accountable that put all of our lives at risk. >> there is no question, none, that president trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day. no question about it. >> all those people are engaged in a project to make you think that we're crazy. they said those things. they said those things. and then they fell into line. democrats for their part today welcomed trump to capitol hill in a very different way.

with this mobile billboard sent out by the democratic national committee had video from the deadly insurrection playing on a loop, to remind the gop what exactly happened on january 6th, what exactly they have endorsed for president in 2024. three and a half years later, the blood has been cleaned up, the broken glass has been swept away. the physical damage repaired. the disgraced and the trauma for the men and women of law enforcement who protected the republicans and the democrats that day endures. in fact, donald trump was protected this afternoon by some of the very same police officers and law enforcement officials who bravely stood between his violent supporters and those republican lawmakers who rolled out the red carpet for him today. this is well and truly trump republican party. we start today with some of our most favorite reporters and friends with me at table, nbc news correspondent vaughn hillyard is back. also joining us former lead investigator for the january 6th select committee tim havy, and

the executive director of republican voters against trump, sarah longwell. what all these men and women have become, i was never on board, right. i never thought trump was a good idea. it is divided circles of former friends, divided family and friends and neighbors. it is -- i've always thought it was a bet with the devil. but i guess the point in that match is so did they. so did ted cruz. so did marco rubio, so did nancy mace, so did mitch mcconnell, but they did something different today. do you understand why? >> do i understand why they're doing it? i mean, no. i can't, because i'm like you, right? i both thought trump was unfit from the beginning, and took people like marco rubio and so many of the other candidates in

2016, ted cruz, doesn't matter, everybody was on our side back then. jd vance, they all thought the same way we did. they called -- some of them called themselves never trumpers like us and then we watched them for political expediency, professional growth, not only make tolerate trump common cause with him, but celebrate him, become his biggest lick spidles and toadies and i think about them cheering him as he returns to the capitol where as nancy mace said, he threatened their lives. and one of the things that strikes me and i run this group, republican voters against trump, and one of the number one reasons that people who voted for trump twice say they will not vote for him again is because he lied about the results of the election saying that it was stolen, and then he fomented an insurrection. and for a lot of these

republicans, that was their red line, that was the end of it for them and the fact that these people are now willing -- they're willing to make videos, put their faces on billboards saying absolutely not, trump is unfit, i won't vote for him, they have the courage to do that. they're willing to make that case. but members of congress, people who report to be devout christians, who purport to back the blue, would purport to stand for the rule of law, they're there to cheer donald trump, guyett who was morally and temperamentally responsible for the insurrection, it is stomach churning and it is gas lighting, the kind of emperor has no clothes kind of phenomenon where it is just important on days like this that we remind people we are not the crazy ones, they are the craven ones. >> i love that. lick spidle is a word that isn't in enough circulation. thank you for invoking it here at the top of the hour. i want to show you an ad that the biden campaign put out, and just get your reaction to sort

of its salience. this was on january 6th. >> on january 6th, donald trump lit a fire in this country. >> 140 officers were injured. the siege lasted for seven hours. >> stoking the flames of division and hate. now he's pouring gasoline. >> they were unbelievable patriots. >> pledging to pardon the extremists who tried to overthrow our government. >> we will give them pardons. >> and inciting them to try again. there is nothing more sacred than our democracy. but donald trump is ready to burn it all down. >> i'm joe biden and i approve this message. >> sarah, this was released today, trump has gone further, i called them warriors around the anniversary of d-day. this seems to speak to that gut rejection of some of the voters that you talked to a lot. what do you think of that? >> i think this is good. i think you have to keep the salience of january 6th very high for voters.

people have short attention spans. i do the focus groups, talk to voters all the time, and i've done focus groups on the -- shortly after january 6th happened and on the anniversary, every year now for several years, and it has been stunning to watch people change how they talk about january 6th because, of course, when it happened, people were disgusted, they were sad, they thought the events -- republicans were so appalled that they had to say that it was actually antifa and black lives matter. they weren't willing at the time to say that these were actually trump supporters because it was such a bad thing to happen. but they have moved to a place where as sort of time has heeled some of the wounds for them and been by the right wing infotainment media, by republican politicians, they kind of moved to this place now, not just of acceptance of what happened on january 6th but celebration that this was an act of patriotism. but that is for core maga voters. for the swing voters, who are

still repelled by what happened that day, for the people who maybe aren't big fans of joe biden, but need to be reminded that donald trump is unfit and too dangerous to be allowed back in the white house, it is essential to remind them about january 6th because it is just one of those things where it matters when people keep the salience high, but as the salience falls, people forget about it. it is good to remind people. >> i think our best example of how that worked, of what sarah is talking about, was the january 6th select committee's public hearings were the summer before the midterms. and we learned after an election what was on voters' minds, but democracy was much higher than a lot of pundits expected it to be. one of the factors with do dobb that helped blunt the massive predicts of a red wave, which were more like a drip drip. the facts of january 6th include trump's voracious appetite for the violence. let me play

hutchinson's testimony. hutchinson's testimony >> i was part of a conversation, i was in the vicinity of a conversation where i overheard the president say something to the effect of, you know, i don't effing care they have weapons. they're not here to hurt me, take the effing mags away. let the people in. take the effing mags away. this was the smoking gun, if you will, of trump's enthusiasm for his supporters to be armed, to be among them and proceed armed to the capitol to do his bidding. >> right, exactly right. in addition to that clip in the hearings we also developed this really powerful vignette of the january 5th, the evening before

the attack on the capitol. the president was in the oval office, gathered a group of young staff and the door was open. and he could hear the january 5th crowd speeches and he said to the room, people are very angry, they're extremely upset about this election, you know, mindful of the energy in the crowd and the potential for it to turn violent. there were repeated instances of his specific knowledge of danger and his desire to go. what struck me about these images from today is he's doing today what he wanted to do that day. his intention was to go to the capitol and buttonhole republican members of congress that he thought would be subject to the political pressure that he was exerting on the vice president and others, and some desperate attempt to prevent the certification and the transfer of power. it is shockingly ironic that three and a half years later he's making that trip, not on the day of the certification, but getting a much more

favorable audience from these republican members. that is precisely what he intended to do, had he been successful in that crazy plan to travel to the capitol on january 6th. >> vaughn, irony doesn't live under the sort of mushroom cloud of trumpism. but there was an irony to mike johnson being the speaker who greeted donald trump on a day like today. >> right. having him be the one welcoming him i think is telling of this moment that we find ourselves, but also somebody like nancy mace. donald trump giving her a shoutout after helping her win this primary, just this last week in south carolina. nancy mace was, some of us were talking about was going to be the future of the republican party. she was voted in for the first time in november of 2020. and she then made the tv rounds saying that she and others could be the voice of the new

republican party, they needed to turn the page, move away from donald trump. and then i was out there in south carolina in 2022, that summer, donald trump was up on stage calling her a rino, trying to get her eliminated from office, she narrowly won her re-election and told me at the time, look, the department of justice is going to do their work and find if anybody did a crime related to january 6th, then they will bring the appropriate charge. the department of justice did exactly that. but nancy mace is speaking a different tune and the message that was sent from donald trump to every other house republican in that room was that you may have turned your back on me at one point, but you are safe in this republican party if you come back and you stand beside me. nancy mace is the representative of that, if you take those words of hers after january 6th when she said she was hiding her kids that day of the attack to where she finds herself now in the summer of 2024. >> there are lot of accounts

about the incoherence you highlighted in your nightly package sunday night. so the -- quotes. he talked about silence of the lambs, famous villain, hannibal lecter. there was a lot of, i think his supporters call it riffing, but a lot of nonpolicy topics raised. >> that's a normal trump rally. perhaps house republicans got to hear it up close on capitol hill for the first time. >> the vip experience kind of. >> right. a little bit more intimate.

donald trump goes off on tangents and, look, i think this hits at the fact of who is going to actually be the one to speak out within the republican party against him. i go back to who was in that room. just to start the morning, house republicans, there are ten republicans that voted to impeach him because of the attack on the capitol on january 6th. effectively eight of those ten republicans were removed from the u.s. house of representatives in 2022 because donald trump backed primarily challengers to a good number of them. there were two individuals who were in that room today, the remaining two, dan newhouse and david valadao. dan newhouse is facing yet again another trump-backed primary challenger here in the summer of 2024. donald trump still has them in his sight. and outside of chip roy of texas, who is a big desantis supporter, he has held out from going and endorsing donald trump. the rest of the folks in that room, bob goode and ralph norman

who endorsed desantis and nikki haley, they got back into trump's corner. even from orange county, california, competitive race, michelle steele, she is now -- just last week at a fund-raiser for donald trump in newport beach. so really there is no dissent in that room here and no dissent among those who potentially could grab the ear of donald trump. >> sarah, the politics for them as house members is one thing. it is an entirely different calculation and it is why you see the trump campaign walking away from trump's smear against soldiers who die or are injured serving the united states of america. you see a different scramble from the trump campaign itself. >> the trump campaign because i think they are trying to win the people on his campaign despite many of, like, the way that trump has no interest in sort of inviting nikki haley voters back into the tent, the campaign is trying to figure out how to win and they know things like suckers and losers are one of the things that are a big

liability for trump and we hear that from swing voters all the time. i think it is the fact that trump did this is not penetrated super deeply, but for high information voters, but who are still center right, that's one of the things they bring up pretty often in the focus groups, trump smears against soldiers, the fact that he, you know, is -- sounds like a crazy person when he talks, i am actually glad, i have to say, to have trump back in the limelight and out of the courtroom. i think that the way that joe biden wins this election, in many ways is going to be about people remembering why they dislike donald trump so much. we talk about the devil haters a lot. but i think it is important for people to understand that the voters actually don't hate joe biden. they think he's too old and they're not huge fans. but they do hate trump and when they see trump and they see him behaving this way, they remember, oh, yeah, he's a global embarrassment to the

united states. he's not a smart person. this person shouldn't be within a thousand feet of the white house. not the -- and not the least of which the capitol because he fomented an attack on it. and so, good, donald trump, get out there, be trump, remind america who you are and let's hope that america rejects you again like they did last time in 2020. >> so, tim, i spent an inordinate amount of time trying to understand arsonists and what they do to make sure that that was accurate. and it is a criminal mind for an arsonist to want to go back and admire the scorched wreckage. it is unprecedented. i couldn't find in the couple folks that i spoke to out west, anyone who had been celebrated by the people who lost homes or lost structures or lost land in a fire set by an arsonist. the parallel is stunning when

you think of it that way. he sought to attack the building. his supporters went with weapons, your investigation unveiled presidential detail audio of the kinds of weapons, they included ar-style weapons, a guy in camouflage hanging from a tree between the white house and the capitol, they were engaged in, quote, medieval combat, the likes of which officer gonell hadn't seen since his time in combat in the military. just remind people what is beyond dispute, what the facts are of what trump did on january 6th. >> well, he sat and watched. he set the fire to follow your arsonist example and then sat by and watched it burn. he gave an incendiary speech encouraging people to march to the capitol, to fight like hell or you won't have a country anymore and then when that fuse was lit by those incendiary words, he sat back and watched

despite repeated attempts by people very close to him including his own family, his own chief of staff, his own white house counsel. he sat by and by all accounts he watched the violence unfold, he was very plugged in as always to television news coverage and just refused to issue any kind of statement asking that people disperse, asking that people go home, to the contrary, he issued a couple of tweets criticizing mike pence, calling him a coward, encouraging people to stay peaceful, remain peaceful, essentially staying at the capitol, it is fine, just don't hit cops. and it wasn't until 187 minutes after the capitol was breached he finally issued this statement basically saying we love you, the election has been stolen, but go home in peace, praising the people that had stormed the capitol. those are the facts and all of this time later, since january 6th, since our extensive investigation, no one has really

questioned those facts. there is really no counternarrative, credible counternarrative that i've heard. going back to the scene of the crime is hubris. arsonists do that, they're proud of their work. and that's what we're seeing today. there is a hubris that he could get away with it. that he could return to the scene of that crime and generate the kind of sycophantic love he's generating. >> it is amazing. it is an extraordinary thing to watch unfold. vaughn hillyard, we'll ask you to stick around. thank you for starting us of today. when we come back, one democrat on the hill cutting through the noise today, the republican lies and disinformation around alvin bragg and the conviction of the former president. adam schiff on what is triggering his colleagues. he'll join us next.

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i do believe the supreme court should step in, obviously. this is totally unprecedented and dangerous to our system. this will be overturned. no question about it. >> this was a zombie case, taken up by alvin bragg, a corrupt radical democrat prosecutor who is releasing violent criminals on the streets. >> alvin bragg, he's not a member of government, not an independent -- he's an elected prosecutor who has abused his office. >> that was the whole point is to scream felon, felon, felon. this was politics and notsorry, a member of the government. what are you? republicans, though, unsurprisingly, falling in line immediately following donald trump's conviction in new york, a decision made by a jury of his peers, republicans vowing to go after manhattan district attorney alvin bragg and take with it the rule of law. the ex-president want on capitol hill today where his heroes

welcomed him, meeting with republicans while he pushes them to help him someone get out of his conviction to have it thrown out. he used his gripe and complaint filled meeting to step up his attacks on the department of justice. according to "the washington post," trump, quote, called the doj dirty no good bastards during the gathering. adam schiff is here. if he's calling doj dirty rotten bastards, i wondered for a second what he calls you. i think we know from his truth social posts. there is nothing funny about the republican acquiescence to this insidious and dangerous lie that the department of justice that any prosecutor that does something that threatens your political dear leader is rigged. how do we -- how do we protect those institutions? >> it is astonishing, their continued obedience to this

comment, this convict, our hearing in the judiciary committee was delayed because they all had to this guy and i was with him on january 6th, i was on the house floor as these rioters were breaking into the building, being police officers, breaking glass to get into the house chamber. i walked out of that chamber with a republican who had ripped a wooden post out of the ground. still had the hand sanitizer dispenser on the top, and he was going to use it as a club to defend himself. and now they are rallying to his side. it really takes your breath away and they're not only willing to rally to his side, but as you point out, they're willing to pull down the whole house of justice along with them. they're willing to attack not just the manhattan district attorney, but any prosecution, anywhere, of their beloved leader. and it really is not only

extraordinarily dangerous to the country, because they're breeding such disrespect for the law, for our democracy, but it is, you know, such a proof of the fact that the only concept they really hold dear, the only quality, the only attribute that he really cherished is power and they're prepared to do anything to get it and i think it has to come as quite a revelation to donald trump that they are so weak because the message they're sending to him is whatever he does, no matter how destructive, how violent it may be, they will still have his back because they're too scared to do otherwise. >> congressman, we sort of short-hand the cognitive distance from reality. jd vance we just played, describing himself as a never trumper, lindsey graham we just played, saying i'm out, carrying his golf bag for long enough, january 6th, i'm out, mitch mcconnell referring him

criminally the work of the committee. and they fall into line. we describe it as earth one and earth two. i wonder if that's inadequate. i wonder if we should more aggressively pursue the facts even with people whose loyalty to trump seems sort of locked in for them politically. it feels like we all need to re-examine everything we do in the way we talk about it. the fact of the department of justice is that merrick garland prosecuted the sitting president's son. he faces a possibility of 25 years in prison. democratic senator bob menendez is also on trial. other democrats have been indicted and will stand trial. it is ludicrous and you could argue that merrick garland certainly does oversee a department with two standards of justice for the deliberate and glacial pace with which criminal scrutiny felled donald trump. what is your sense as a candidate for the senate about the pace and the aggressive nature of keeping the facts in front of the american people?

>> well, i think we have to continue to fight this -- to fight this fire hose of misinformation and disinformation. but the thing that is so striking to me also is these folks you just mentioned, they all know the facts, you know, they understand the prosecution, the president's son, they understand the separation of a manhattan district attorney's office from a federal prosecution office from the department of justice. they understand all that. they are just so willing to mislead, to gas light the public, in the service of their continued opportunity to be in the house or be in the senate or maybe get another cabinet post or cabinet post in a future trump administration. they're willing to essentially promote this completely fact-free counternarrative and we continually have to do battle with it because they remain enough americans out there who are undecided, not sure what to

make of these competing narratives, that may decide this election, but what is so revealing is less about donald trump, much more revealing about the people that work in this building and what they're really made of and what they really care about and that may be most shocking fact of all. that you could go from saying i'm done with him, there are better ways to deal with him as in prosecution, to this terrible show that we saw today where they are all reinventing themselves, all reimagining themselves, all essentially swearing their fealty to him once again, says a lot about them, maybe more about them than it does about donald trump. >> congressman, this is vaughn hillyard in new york with nicole. question for you, because today was indicated that alvin bragg and matthew colangelo from the d.a.'s office, they intend to cooperate with the invitation to come before the committee on july 12th to testify. this would be the day after the

sentencing of donald trump here in new york. what should folks -- this will be public to our understanding, what should folks anticipate coming out of that hearing with those two? >> here is another sharp contrast for you, the same chairman of the judiciary committee demanding they appear -- failed to appear for his own subpoena. nevertheless, you know, in terms of what we can expect, i think we can probably expect that they're going to outline, again, how the manhattan district attorney's office operates, how they were not dictated and what charges to bring by the justice department, how it was their own independent decision, what role the jury played, how the judge was selected and that it was at random. i think they will do their best to fight that fire hose of disinformation. they're not going to get into sort of internal deliberations within the manhattan d.a.'s office. they shouldn't. that is -- those are internal prosecutorial discussions. but i can imagine the republicans trying to make hay of what they know is standard

for a prosecution office in terms of what they discuss and what they don't discuss. but i would imagine they will stick to the top line facts and the answer they give will be sufficient for the matt gaetzes, jim jordans of the world because it is not designed to be. it is designed to be a hearing in which the accusation is all that mattered in the testimony itself is beside the point. >> congressman, quick question, some of the law enforcement officials who protected the capitol, the democratic and republican members who work inside of it, have become well known to our viewers, harry dunn and officer gonell and others. i imagine some others we don't know as well were there today when donald trump was there, we liken it to an arsonist admiring something he sought to burn down. do you know how law enforcement felt?

>> i can only imagine it is additional trauma given what they went through to protect this institution and not just the fact he came back to the scene of the crime, but that these senators and house members who fled, whom these police officers so bravely defended, that they are rushing back to the person who put them all in danger that day. that has to be, i think, the most disheartening and these are law enforcement officers that went through one horror on january 6th and been through a different kind of horror ever since in how their service that day has been denigrated, how people have attempted to create complete false narrative about that day, and i have to imagine it is an even bigger shock for the officers to see the true character of the people they protected that day when they have a different impression of them before january 6th. >> congressman adam

appreciate you for taking the time to talk to us today. extraordinary collision. not even right and left anymore. we're covering reality and delusion. >> this is going to play out for the public to hear and you have one party that has consistently sided with donald trump and not fought back about the lies he told about january 6th or about the underlying facts of the case that was presented to a jury in which 12 jurors found him unanimously guilty. on july 12th, this is going to be sort of a difficulty for some of these democratic members of congress to actively in real time push back on because the republican members of congress have their due minutes to ask their questions of alvin bragg and matthew colangelo, that is their right, but we have seen historically the implying they are wrong or have acted unlawfully and there is no suggestion or evidence they have

done that and now the question is how do democrats fight back against the suggestions in real time. >> vaughn hillyard, thank you for being with us, great to have you at the table. when we come back, donald trump was lining up his henchmen on capitol hill for his revenge and retribution tour, the leader of the free world joe biden was presidenting. another split screen moment today. we'll show you next. another spl today. we'll show you next. life's feeg a little more automatic. like doors opening wherever i go... [sound of airplane overhead] even the ground is moving for me! y'all seeing this? wild! and i don't even have to activate anything. oooooohhh... automatic sashimi! earn cash back that automatically adjusts to how you spend with the citi custom cash® card. [mind blown explosion noise] ♪ ♪ have you always had trouble losing weight and keeping it off? same. discover the power of wegovy®. ♪ ♪ with wegovy®, i lost 35 pounds. and some lost over 46 pounds.

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of the stark difference in the choice americans will face in november in the general election. on one side, a sitting president meeting with our nation's strongest allies and reaffirming america's commitment to ukraine and supporting them in their fight to uphold democracy. on the other, ex-president returning to the scene of where he committed crimes, attempted to destroy our democracy, ensuring the members of his party reaffirmed their commitment to him and the things he was indicted for doing that day. joining us, cornell belcher is here and political strategist and msnbc senior analyst matt dowd is here. matt dowd, it feels like you have to make the argument, sometimes you have to put the contrast in front of voters, sometimes it makes it for you. i understand we live in a different information moment, right, where people are competing with what has been curated for them and so i think people say you always have to put it in front of the voters.

how would you take a day like today and illustrate the choice that voters have in november? >> well, i just think you look at it as cornell knows you look at all these as building blocks as part of a broad big argument, take each of them and say how does this build on the argument we make in the end that is decided in november and this is one of those, the difference between these two men who are running for president has various degrees of things, competence, substance, how you appear in the world, what is your stand on certain issues and there are building blocks and it is interesting today that donald trump seems to lean right into wanting to make the contrast in this and in two weeks from today as we all know, there is going to be a debate unless donald trump backs out of it which i think there is a chance he may back out of the debate, right front and center that contrast between two men sitting at a table without an audience.

i think anytime joe biden can present himself in contrast to donald trump and how he presents himself is a good day for joe biden. >> cornell, i am concerned that the people on the side of the truth and the facts are losing, and i guess i'm concerned today because i -- people say things about donald trump in front of cameras, and people like jd vance and ted cruz and lindsey graham called him sniveling, unqualified, unfit, lindsey graham apologized to the families of muslim americans after trump's muslim ban because he understood maybe from his friendship with john mccain, i don't know how he understood it at the time, he clearly has forgotten it, that men and women, muslim men and women have died serving to protect this country. donald trump is as odious to these men and women who welcomed him back to the capitol, he sought to attack on january 6th, as he is to me. and i wonder what permission

structure exists that they can do that. >> well, i think the permission structure is power. but in the end, i think it is right, it is not a silver bullet, it is not one thing, it is a campaign as all three of us understand, a lot of little small steps to get you to your overall goal. and so, in the end, look, i think this one picture, this one day is not going to -- is not going to move voters, but in the end, you got to keep building that case, i think if you look at republicans who you have shown on the record what they have said about donald trump, and other media outlets and other people leaning in and hopefully reporters will put these questions to these elected officials who gather around trump now and some of their past words, it begins to sort of build the case and it builds the case not only against donald trump, but, look, many of those

folks that are surrounding him are also on the ballot. in fact, all of them, not all the senators, but darn near all of them are on the ballot come november. and they too have to answer for it. i think broadly it is building the case they can't be trusted. donald trump can't be trusted and nor can they be trusted. i assure you that many of them who are especially running for house, they have to answer for sort defending donald trump when they -- when on january 6th they were all terrified of what he's done. so, this sort of begins to play out hopefully in campaigns, but no silver bullet. >> i am going to respectfully disagree with you. there is a silver bullet out there. i haven't seen it deployed yet. donald trump said i don't want to see them here. he said people who die serving this country are suckers and losers and i think every republican who supports him should be asked if they agree with donald trump. i have to sneak in a break.

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>> we're back with cornell and matt. matt, i've asked the question allma week. are we asking the right questions. 2016, i'll no longer say the american people won't elect someone president who brags about grabbing women between the legs and who says fallen soldiers with quote suckers and losers but i think it's our job as the media, campaign's job as the campaign, to make sure everyone makes a decision with that information in their heads andma they know the source of tt information is general john kelly, trump's former press secretary said. how do you see that conversatiot playing out with the public?wi >> well, i agree with you totally on that. i think the more presentation, the more transparent we can give information to people as in the more information we have the betterre for our democratic republican. it's the only way it works is if people have the information. we haveio to understand that 40o 42% of the country it won't

matter, none of it matters. 40 to 42%. no matter what any of us say, do, no matter what donald trumpt says, does, it will not change their mind because of the way they consume information and the way they receive information any the way they process information that's not going to allow them to change their mind. we saw donald trump convicted of 34 felonies and notum a ounce o his support among that base fell off. i think one of the myths that's kind of been developed is that somehow there's this body of republicanis voters out there tt are going to somehow switch from donald trump. donald trump is getting 92% of the republican vote. he got 92% of the republican vote 9 in 2020. donald trump got 92% of the republican vote in 2016. it's not going to change that. so what we have to figure out is those people that are in the f middle, that 15 or 20%, we have to figure out how to deliver the information to those people in the right way.

that's up to us as news people and to the biden campaign. >>en isn't even 15 to 20%. if the trump campaign thought they had enough support in their base that isug immune to information andha facts and revelations and realities including weather trajectories and criminal indictments and convictions, they wouldn't be pushing back against this story we'reg talking about right now. they understand 42 isn't enough to win. they understand 44 isn't enough. 45. 46, maybe. so it's even a smaller, it's about 10% of the electorate. how do you talk to them about things that have been traditionally disqualifying? >> we can break it down even more finite in that matt actually took my talking point on this because your silver bullet is problematic. we do live in these curated sort of media bubbles and to that

point, 42, 44% are not going to, they're just going to disbelieve it. but here's where it's important in an election. if you look at 2020 and actually look at 2012 as well, biden and obama were able tode generate a majority of the vote because they ran away with moderate voters. biden won moderate voters in 2020 by 30 points. so it becomes really hard for you to win the suburbs of pennsylvania, win the suburbs of atlanta. you know, win the suburbs around milwaukee. if those moderate middle of the road voters, you're losing by double digits and that's where this all matters, right? that's where we've got to reach these voters in the moderate middle. we've got to energize our base and reach these voters in the moderate middle. he's got tode run up the score with those because those are the suburban voters making the battlegrounds, even georgia now

is purple and arizona is now purplish. these moderate voters breaking away from trump isot why we see democrats putting w more of the battleground states into play because they are having a hard competing for the moderate middle electorate. the question still remains how do you reach them in the age of social media? now, it is no longer 30 second or 60 second television advertisement spot0 that we spd hundreds of millions of dollars on to reach the voter in the middle. i think we have a structural challenge now in campaign politics in a way we didn't a decade ago. >> i've thought a lot about why it is that people are so desperate for the men and women who heard these comments to say something. it is what you just said, cornell. the people still most respected in civic life are by and large the military. >> yeah, and i totally agree

with cornell on this. the o best avenue in my view, y use veterans as an example. veterans supported donald trump inte 2020. that's ridiculous in all of our minds in this and the only way thatan changes is if the biden campaign and us in our daily lives, talks to veterans then they talk to other veterans. the only way they're going the change other veterans' minds is by a veteran presenting this information to another veteran. that's theio way to break this cycle. >> all right. thank you for letting me be so granular as i would be if we were all at a conference room inside aen campaign headquarter. i appreciate both of you. thank you so much.te still to come for us, president joe biden poking donald trump todayde after the ex-president again blasts one of america's cities. a pretty greatam one. also, happens to be the site of the republican national convention. next month, hosting him, governor shapiro of pennsylvania will be our guest on that, next. don't go anywhere. r guest on th. don't go anywhere.

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i'm constantly be sold in america by donald trump. crime rates are skyrocketing. no, they're actually not. it's in america he's selling me. it would be like watching your football team and they play well and win and your neighbor says they're playing terribly and keep losing. no. but you can't keep selling me on how bad the country is. it's not bad for me and my friends. >> hi, again, everybody. we heard from the sports broadcaster recently, his

reality, then there's what trump wants his reality to think it is. on earth two, americans live in a country where crime is rampant and on the rise. where people on every corner are suffering. if you're not someone who agrees with him, that means you, you and your family are corrupt, evil and deranged. his words, not ours. that trumpian vision is what we brought with him to capitol hill today where he returned to the scene of his crimes where his republican allies ate up his words. inclouding calling the city of milwaukee where the republican national convention will be held next month, quote, horrible. trump spokesperson did not deny trump used the word. only clarified that trump was talking about crime and voter fraud. current president, president biden responded with a simple clap back. quote, i happen the love milwaukee. who doesn't. those attacks on america are

straight from an autocrats or aspiring autocrat's paint book, paint an apocalyptic, terrifying view of your country and neighbors. people who don't agree with you so your voters will think only you can fix it. only you can help them escape the hellscape you fabricated in their minds. there's also a simpler explanation. trump's contempt for the very people he says he wants to lead. milwaukee of course is not the first city is horrible or disgusting or a disgrace. this is a year's long now pattern of disparaging the people in this country. he has called people who don't vote for him stupid. as we've been discussing. he mocks war heroes and veterans as quote suckers and losers and quote, get them out of here, no one wants to see that. he's called the united states a quote, third world country. despite trump's weaponization of

the idea of patriotism on the right side of the ideological spectrum and love for some americans, he's the one who's always denigrating both the country and its people. and yet as we saw following trump's show on capitol hill today, republicans are all in on this. they, too, must hate the country and its people, right? because they willingly and for some of them, we've been talking about them today who saw trump the way we did. right? as a disgrace and embarrassment. they have signed themselves over to him now. ahead of the 2024 election. they have embraced and endorsed his dark message about the country, of hate and division. here's how the milwaukee mayor responded to this. >> well, donald trump wants to talk about things that he thinks are horrible, all of us lived through his presidency, so right back at you, buddy. i'd say that. look, obviously, donald trump is wrong about something yet again. i find it kind of perplexing, i

find it kind of strange that he would insult the largest city in wisconsin because he's running for president. he obviously wants to win wisconsin. got to win the election. so to insult the state that's hosting the convention i think is kind of bizarre, actually. kind of unhinged in a way. especially considering the fact that in milwaukee, there are about 50,000 republicans who live here in the city. so you're calling their home horrible. i mean, i don't quite understand that. >> say nothing of how desperately he needs their votes. we start the hour with our friend, the governor of pennsylvania, the former attorney general of pennsylvania, josh shapiro's back with us. how are you? >> hey, great, great to be with you. >> it's great to have you back. i have some of my fondest covid memories of talking to you in your home, with your family living their lives as we talked about ballots and pennsylvania. i wonder if you reflect very

much on how this republican party which watched trump lose 60-61 challenges to his defeat in 2020, how extraordinary it is, or is it extraordinary to you that they're more enraptured by him now than even on election days and the days that followed 2020? >> just examine the record. first, let's start in court. at least in pennsylvania. when donald trump sued us to try to first stop people from voting then had their votes count. he and his allies sued us 42 times. we went 43-0. we had a free and stair fair, safe and secure election. while he squeaked out a victory in pennsylvania by just over 40,000 votes. in every subsequent election, either donald trump or his hand picked candidate lost. they lost for governor. they lost for united states

senate. hell, they even lost for school board in some cases. this is a guy who has lost every step of the way. if these people keep following him, i had to laugh today when some of those senators were like standing up there applauding him. the same people that were saying after january 6th that he didn't have a place there. that he had stoked violence against him. now they're lining up and just showing themselves to be profoundly and pathetically weak people who don't swear allegiance to a flag, but to donald trump where people who have lost really just the sort of core vision of you know, reagan's republican party. the republican party that you worked for in a really noble and honorable way. that's all out the window. now, they just look straight to that one man. a man who has delivered them loss after loss after loss here in pennsylvania and across the country. why they continue to follow them in many ways is a reflection on

just the weak people that they are more than anything else. >> i mean, it is the perfect encapsulation of the trump republican party. i'm a student of sarah longwell's efforts to create permission structures for republican voters who saw all this and want to walk away. and i wonder what you see? you're a very sort of hands on in pennsylvania. how do you assess the politics in pennsylvania today? >> well, look, i can tell you, here in pennsylvania, we're actually focused on three letters. gsd. get stuff done. every single day. i'm the only governor in the entire country with a divided legislature. senate led by republicans, house led by democrats. yet we've been able to make historic investments in education, public safety. economic development. we've protected our freedoms and by the way, we've cut taxes three times. we're actually showing people

that you can govern together. you can bring republicans and democrats together. here in pennsylvania, i think people appreciate the fact we put points on the board for them every day and focus on common sense things. what i think a lot of folks here are concerned about is the chaos that donald trump would bring back if he's given the keys to the white house again. think about it. donald trump has pledged to do away with obama care. that means 1.2 million pennsylvanians would no longer have access to healthcare. he's pledged to roll back all the great infrastructure work that president biden did. we've got communities in pennsylvania that are literally getting their water lines replaced. no longer have to drink water with lead in it. think about the chaos that would be if they were no longer going to be able to trust the water source if donald trump were to be president. donald trump, even though he tries to talk out of both sides of his mouth on it, this is a guy who wants to ban abortion

nationwide. we're a state that has protected women's freedoms and there's only so much i can do if at the federal level, they're able to push that through. this guy is all about bringing more chaos. i think what we've shown in pennsylvania is folks here don't want chaos. they want you to put points on the board for them every day. get stuff done. they want you to bring republicans and democrats together. that's the way we're governing here and i think that's the approach president biden has tried to take an that's the direction we need to continue to move in. >> your campaign was a model of making democracy something people understood. and i remember your speech, i think it was the sunday night before election day, president obama was there as well. about what it is and isn't. i know some democrats sort of wring their hands, oh, people are worried about kitchen table issues. democracy is a kitchen table

issue, if you can't decide what to do with your own body, if a pregnancy is not what your family has planned, that is not like in a democracy. what is your sort of advice for how to have the conversation about democracy and how to make it a kitchen table issue for voters? >> yeah. look, i don't know if the president needs my advice on this, but i'll tell you what we've done in pennsylvania and what has clearly worked at the ballot box and what pennsylvanians have reacted well to during my time in office. that is making sure that everyone here has the freedom to chart their own course and the opportunity to succeed. that we expand real freedom and protect it here in the commonwealth. yes, that means women get to information decisions over their own body, that you get to marry who you love and you don't have arbitrary requirements stopping you from getting a job. that's why i did away with a

requirement for 92% of jobs. that means all children of god in whatever zip code they're from, have a good quality of education. that's real freedom. it's real freedom to be able to walk down the street and not fear gun violence is going to cut your life short. to know that even in towns that had a strong and rich legacy in the coal and steel towns have shuttered there's still going to be opportunity. you don't have to go somewhere else the find that opportunity. that's real freedom and that is what we're focused on delivering every day in pennsylvania. i think at the end of the day, that's what the american people want. democrats and republicans alike. they want a commander in chief. a leader that is going to help work to perfect our union. so lift people up. to have a positive vision for this nation and every single day, focus on expanding freedom and freedom comes in many forms. your fundamental right to governor everyone your own body. and the economic freedom you get

by having a job or a great quality education. that's what we're doing here in pennsylvania and that is what i hope to see more of all across america. >> the moment requires extreme candor with the voters. one, because voters deserve it, two, it's what they respond to and three, the stakes are so high. you got real on monday night. you accused trump of shit talking america. say more. >> look, i just think we want a leader who's going to recognize all of the wonderful things that exist here in america. doesn't have a hard time saying this is the greatest country on earth. who can acknowledge the fact that more people went to work this morning in america than at any other time in our nation's history and that's a good thing. that we're producing more energy than ever before.

that we're out competing china. it doesn't mean we have to keep working to perfect our union and working to bring more equity in and working to make sure classrooms are better funded and working to make sure there are more people with access to economic in their communities. particularly in rural america. it doesn't mean there aren't challenges, but come on. we want a commander in chief. we want a leader who loves this country. and who's willing to stand up for it and fight for it and loves all american people. no matter what they look like. where they come from. who they love, pray to. i think that's what we get in joe biden. that is decidedly what donald trump continues to put forth. he insulted one of america's greatest cities today. come on. that is not fitting of a leader. democrat or republican. the american people, certainly the people of pennsylvania that i interact with every day, republican and democratic alike,

they love this country. so why the hell shouldn't we have someone running for president who loves this country just as much as we do. in joe biden, we have that. in donald trump, we just have a guy who keeps whining every day and putting down this nation. frankly, the other night, i'm just sick and tired of it and that's why i said what i said and i stand by it. >> i love what you said. i worry that we sand off the edges. we bleep out, say get stuff done instead of get shit done. that's what people want. your resonance as a governor speaks for itself. you're a success in the election, your success as governor. also as messager for the president. how much do you plan to be out there delivering this very message over the next five months? >> look, i'll be out there as much the president and his team want me to be. i got a primary responsibility politically and that's to make sure he wins in pennsylvania.

to tell the story of what the president has accomplished. to contrast that with the chaos that donald trump would bring back to this nation and listen, this isn't theoretical. this guy was in charge for four years. and we were worse on job creation. worse in our economy. we were worse when it came to our standing in the world and it didn't mean there aren't challenges today. we continue to have to work on. particularly some of the economic challenges we're facing here in pennsylvania, all over the country. but we've got to make sure that we remind people of that clear contrast of how bad it was under donald trump and how much progress we made under joe biden. not perfect, but we've got to keep moving in that direction and i'll continue to speak out about that here in pennsylvania and anywhere the president needs me to be across this country. >> governor, we appreciate your straight talk. i worked for someone who had that as his hallmark. it resonates with me

specifically. >> sure did. >> thank you very much. this was fun. i hope we can do this more often. it's nice to see you. >> i hope so. congratulations to you. good to be with you. when we come back, a lawsuit that could have wiped away access to abortion healthcare for millions of women. turns out to be too much of a stretch. even for this united states supreme court. a unanimous opinion from the justices keeps the drug, mifepristone, widely available to american women. plus, democrats and the judiciary committee revealing more private trips clarence thomas took with right wing billionaire, harlan crow. and a series of incidents including the vandalism of jewish homes outside oon exhibit honoring the lives of those murdered on october 7th, revealing the wave of hate

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powering possibilities. turns out an attempt by a group of far right doctors to take away a safe drug was a bridge too far even for this supreme court. today, the nation's highest court in a unanimous ruling held the abortion and miscarriage management drug, mifepristone, should remain widely available after a group of activists sought to block access to the drug nationwide. the court ruled not really on

the substance but they decided those activists and doctors lacked standing. didn't have the right argument. didn't have the right legal standing to legally challenge the fda's approval of this drug. the opinion leaves the door wide open for future restrictions. justice kavanaugh writing this, quote, citizens and doctors who object to what the law allows others to do may always take their concerns to the executive and legislative branches and seek greater regulatory or legislative restrictions. which is exactly what they're doing in states like louisiana. where that state legislature already classified mifepristone as a schedule four narcotic, making anyone possessing it without a prescription subject to criminal prosecution and criminal penalties. that's just one front in a growing battle against women and their rights and autonomy over their bodies. today, senate democrats introduced a bill to help create

federal protections for ivf. it was blocked almost immediately by republicans. just yesterday, the largest and most influential evangelical group in the country voted to oppose the use of ivf for anyone anywhere anytime. things are not good. joining our conversation, president of reproductive freedom for all, also, michelle goodwin, author of policing the womb, invisible women and the criminalization of mother hood. and senior columnist for the boston globe, kim. kim, just on a legal side of this, supreme court didn't issue unanimous ruling on abortion. they issued a unanimous ruling on whether or not it was legal for the people who brought this case to do so. is that right? >> that's right. it was a procedural decision. didn't get to the merits of as to whether the fda was right.

or wrong. and how it regulates in its approval of mifepristone. it said that these antiabortion doctors didn't show they had enough skin in the game. that they weren't injured other than the fact that they don't like that mifepristone exists and this really tenuous argument that well, because they're emergency doctors, they may be forced to deal with any sort of complication that arises from the use of mifepristone. we know factually the complications are very, very low, so that wasn't a real injury and all nine justices agreed with that point of view. as you said, it leaves open far more questions about the availability of this and other reproductive healthcare than it answered. >> mimi, let me show you something kaitlyn cash said yesterday. the reality today, this happened in texas, to happened to her. this is happening to many women who don't have the courage she has or the opportunity she has

to speak out on national television. but this was what it was like for her to fill a prescription for mifepristone. >> when i went to my doctor, i found out that my body was not processing that miscarriage on its own and that i would need mifepristone. i left my doctor's office, went to the pharmacy and the pharmacist told me they would need more indication from my doctor on why i needed this prescription. and i remember just turning around and walking out. because i was actively miscarrying. actively bleeding and i just said yeah, i'm not doing this again. >> this is life in america already. this is what donald trump has brought already. what the supreme court has ushered in already. >> kaitlyn was incredibly brave. all the women who have come out and told their stories are brave. we've said it before on this show and others. shouldn't be like this. folks shouldn't have to tell these horrifying stories but look.

i mean, this case today was a welcome relief for hundreds of thousands of women, patients, and providers who were terrified of additional restrictions on the most prescribed, most used, safe, safer than tylenol, approved for 20 plus years, forms of abortion. at the end of the day, however, the biggest concern i have as an advocate is that the door was left open as kimberly said. the door has been left open for further attacks on medication abortion and as long as we have folks like trump appointed casse merrick on the bench, it opens the door for cases that should never be heard to be heard. attacks on care to continue. now you couple this with attacks on ivf, contraception. project 2025. jonathan mitchell, representing trump but also as an architect

of really nefarious attacks on reproductive freedom. it's painfully obvious that the only solution is at the ballot box. i was really pleased to hear governor shapiro on the show just now. he's been a staunch activist for freedom and we need the voices of democrats who really unequivocal on this issue out in force. right now, it is a five alarm fire. >> you know, michelle, the thing about mifepristone is not only is the drug safe, it makes abortions safer for women. so the attack on mifepristone, you know, the battle was won on this technical issue but the war against mifepristone, the war against the drug that makes miscarriage management, you've lost a pregnancy, you're devastated if it was a pregnancy you wanted. a baby you were excited about welcoming. this is one of the drugs that makes what happens easier on a woman's body. been on the market for 20 years and mifepristone is still under

attack. >> that's right. well, to put this in context, this has been a war on women. we can overstate how we understand women citizenship in the united states but we're still in that arc towards equality. and we can't have it obscured by the number of women who are lawyers or doctors, et cetera. women are still in the struggle for the supreme court, for legislative bodies to recognize their equality. to level set with this, the united states has the highest maternal mortality rate, morbidity rate, in all of the industrialized world. in fact, we fall at around 55th in the world in terms of keeping women safe who want to have pregnancies. and to further level set, roe v. wade itself was a 7-2 opinion. five of those seven justices were republican appointed. so we are a very far way from notions of justice where both political parties could

recognize women's health and safety as being fundamental. something that should be constitutionally protected and that whatever means were available to keep women safe during pregnancy or towards an abortion should be and should remain safe and available. there are more attacks to come and you're absolutely right. the door was left open so that these particular litigants who were not all doctors, some were posturing as doctors. one as a dentist not to be given medical privileges at a hospital, another was a thee loejen. not the full playbook which as you noted, there are other efforts taking place not only to further diminish the right to be able to terminate a pregnancy in life threatening situations, but access to contraception, ivf and so much more are under attack.

to be real with this, we have lawmakers now saying there'sno problem with an 8-year-old giving birth after rape. that's the america we live in. >> i want to come back to you, minnie. you mentioned ivf. ivf polls 82 to 85%. all americans think ivf is moral. an alarming number of women, i mean infertility in america is a real thing. i have ivf to thank for my family. ivf is this thing that i think people diluted themselves into thinking would always be safe. i think the political part of the conversation is that none of it is safe and none of us are safe. how do you talk to the country about the threat to ivf now that the biggest and most influential evangelical branch has weighed in against it? >> you know, it's like dobbs. we had, nobody believed roe could fall. we had to do a lot of

publication that this could happen. even until the leak of the dobbs decision, there was a big believability gap with the american people. really hard to believe something like that could be taken away. i think ivf and contraception even more so we're facing a similar believability gap. it's really hard to explain to meme that something that makes so much sense and has benefitted them and is so popular could be taken away. so the alabama decision, very unfortunate, very troubling. southern baptist convention vote which i haven't seen, i don't think they made public the numbers, but heard was a very contentious and debated vote and many southern baptists themselves did not agree with the decision. i think if you polled them, there would be many who don't agree. this was an activist vote and event. they're doing some of the publication for us. they're showing the american people how wildly out of line they are but it's our job as advocates to really beat the

drum and also really reveal the record. you know, republicans haven't been hiding from this. you know, i started my career doing this work in texas 20 some odd years ago and republicans were attacking you know, birth control. they were attacking, they attacked the birth control benefit in the aca. they attacked plan b over the counter. they attacked authorization of o pill. they're on the record against all these things and we have to keep reminding the american people. >> all right, no one goes anywhere. we'll all be right back after a quick break. if it is a day that ends in why, there's a brand-new scandal involving the supreme court. new details on justice thomas' lavish lifestyle and gifts, next. lavish lifestyle and gifts, next i had to switch carriers... (roommate) i told him...at verizon, everyone can get the best deals, like that iphone 15 on them. (man) switching all the time...it wasn't easy. (lady) 35! (store customer) you're gonna be here forever. (man) i know. (employee) here is your wireless contract. (man) do i need a lawyer for this? those were hard days.

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another revelation. revealing that clarence thomas took three, three additional trips via private jet funded by right wing activist billionaire, harlan crow. in these trips, the first of which was back in 2017. most recent in 2021. are only now coming to light because of a subpoena issued to crow by the senate judiciary committee in november following similar revelations. this despite thomas amending a previous financial disclosure last week that did reveal

additional trips paid for by crow by only have journalists with the investigative outlet reported on thomas' billionaire backed vacation habit. the statement harlan crow's office says this, quote, mr. crow engaged in good faith negotiations with the committee to resolve the matter. as a condition of this agreement, the committee agreed to end its probe with respect to mr. crow. we are in the process of verifying that the committee has ended its interest in mr. crow. we have an update. we'll break in and tell you about it. we are right now back with minnie, michelle, and kim. kim, it is true that every time you push what falls down is another undisclosed, lavish gift from a very rich donor. never kagan or sotomayor, but

almost always justice thomas. >> yeah. first of all, i find that statement from crow interesting because he's basically saying oh, well nobody's looking into me and missing the entire point of what's wrong with this. which is even the appearance of a conflict of interest at the supreme court is a massive, massive problem. and the reason i want to remind folks the reason we have these is so that the public knows who is giving gifts to justices so that if they go before the court or if they or their businesses have interests before the court, we know if that constitutes a potential conflict of interest. in such case, a justice should recuse from that case. it's a really important principle and this is disturbing because these new revelations show that not only does crow not get that, but so does justice thomas. and so, too, probably other conservatives who are the ones who have made a concerted, deep

pocketed, big moneyed attempt to call favor with the conservative members of this court for a long, long time. and the second problem with these new revelations is justice thomas just filed a financial disclosure where he disclosed a previously undisclosed gift, but not these. he clearly thinks these rules don't apply. that he doesn't have to follow them, that he's somehow above. it's a big problem for this court. >> it's like a scene in like a teen movie, right, where they are stealing all the candy from the candy store and the shop owner says i can see the lollipops so they give them back. but under the shirt or everything else they stole. that one slight i told you about

, the trip to. oh, i didn't put the return there? it's not like we think he flew coach, right? it's such an incomplete and doesn't pass this basic smell test. but every time pro publica catches them or other journalist or another outlet, they cop to one more. but never throw open the curtains. there's nothing to see here. there's always something to see. that's what's so distressing. this selfish, self owned. he's responsible not just because of the flights and gifts but because of the fact he seems to be so dedicated to hiding them from the public that the public trust in the court is at record lows. >> it's deeply distressing because we're a country that incarcerates more women, more men than any other country in the world. we tend to think about this with regard to men, but we also incarcerate more women than any other country in the world. we incarcerate more children than any other country in the world. we do a lot of policing of people who are vulnerable, who

happen to be poor, who happen to be racialized. then in the wake of that, we have a supreme court that has decided it is above the law, above a sort of standard of ethics that it doesn't need to be policed. that it can ignore the standards and rules of ethics that other lawyers have to abide by, that other judges have to abide by. quite frankly, that other law students have to abide by. and you're right that americans have the lowest favorability rating of the court since those kinds of ratings and rankings have ever taken place. and you have justices alito and thomas who seem to also say that when these matters come about, that question their ethics on matters that are right now before the court, that they can toss their wives under the bus, at least that's what justice alito does and other violations of ethics because they believe these rules don't apply to them

and it's heartbreaking considering the just vast number of americans who do have to abide by the rules of law and ethics and suffer the consequences when they don't. >> michelle, kim, minnie, thank you so much for being here with us today for all of these unbelievable stories. thank you so much. get your phones out. for more legal news and analysis on the supreme court, there's going to be a lot of it in the coming days. we're expecting a number of decisions in the next few weeks. sign up for the deadline legal newsletter. scan the code on your screen now and you'll get a newsletter delivered to your inbox. coming up for us, the white house and leaders on capitol hill are speaking out about a series of alarming antisemitic incidents here in new york city. we'll bring you that story, next. s here in new york city. we'll bring you that story, next s. recipes that are more than their ingredients. ♪ [smoke alarm] recipes written by hand and lost to time...

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uptick in antisemitic incidents in new york city just this week is adding to the fear felt by many in the jewish community living right here in new york city. here in the united states. in the aftermath of the deadly terrorist attack in israel on october 7th. the white house condemned hundreds who protested on monday outside a memorial in lower manhattan that pays tribute to the victims of the hamas terrorist attack. part of what is the deadliest massacre of jewish people since the holocaust. this video shows the moment protestors shouted at riders on a crowded train saying quote,

raise your hand if you're a zionist, this is your chance to get out, end quote. in brooklyn, these horrific images show vandalism, red paint smeared doors and hateful speech on the homes of the brooklyn museum's jewish director and board members. joining us now, ceo and national director of the antidefamation league, jonathan jonathan green. i feel like we have talked about the country simmered but it is now boiling over. i wonder, one, what you think is going on and two, what you think we do about it. >> well, thanks for having me on. i do think your description is apt. we now are at a boiling point and things are bursting. i want to talk for a minute about the act of vandalism in brooklyn, but the people whose homes had in common who were vandalized. number one, they were all involved with the brooklyn

museum. an innocuous, nonpartisan, cultural institution in city with the most jews. two, all the people whose homes were targeted were jewish. they didn't go after anyone else but the jews. three, it's not just red paint and nasty graffiti that looks like blood. they painted red triangles on these homes. red triangles are the symbol used by hamas in the massacre to put targets on soldiers or civilians or individuals who they plan to kill. so what you saw there reminded me of you know, nazi or nazi supporters in germany in the '30s painting jewish stars on jewish businesses and homes. this happened so these businesses, homes could be targeted by their goons.

i know that because my grandfather had his own barbershop vandalized exactly this way. so i don't know if people understand this isn't just sort of silly vandalism. this is a serious threat to physical harm. this is what presages the kind of violence that no one should approve anywhere under any circumstances, not happening to jews every day in america. >> we've always covered the adl's report. your latest report seeing these incidents skyrocketing. i wonder if the moment and the sort of scale of the emergency is requiring you to rethink the things that you've done before this moment? >> it's a great question. literally we are overwhelmed. the number of reports that we're getting, not just from brooklyn and lower manhattan, from all over the country, every day, it's staggering. keep in mind that the total number of we recorded last year

was almost 900% over a decade ago. and it's funny. we do these reports, measure incidents. study attitudes. look at all kinds of hate. we released a report earlier this week about online hate and harassment. we found that muslim and lgbtq users were the most targeted. it's true. and yet you can make no mistake what's happening in america to jews is not just dangerous. it could be deadly. it's not just antisemitic, although it's anti-american. attacking people. singling them out. setting them up for violence based on where they pray? or where they're from? i mean, that is just antithet cal to who we are as a country. are you optimistic that this moment will pass? do you feel like october 7th ushered in some sort of bizarre permission structure? what is your state of mind about how to get through this moment

and protect jewish families, neighbors, jewish institutions, schools. what is your idea? your plan? >> look, i mean, this is literally a five alarm fire. and when people like aoc and jamal bowman who are not exactly big israel supporters called out what happened in lower manhattan just the other day and said it was ugly, because it was. this was an exhibit more on the victims of 10/7 and the protestors outside said long li 10/7 and what not. i think we've passed a kind of rubicon here and the kind of antisemitism, hate has now become normalized. so our plan is number one, to ring the bell for every elected official, every political candidate, every public figure. you have to call this out. i don't care how you feel about issues in the middle east. no way, no how is it permissible to attack people like this or by

the way, as you did in the intro on the subway train. jews know what it's like to be singled out on trains, okay? so the historical reverberations and we need a new framework about how to manage free speech concerns and stop people from menacing and threatening their neighbors hiding behind scarves. that is not okay. that is not what the founding father his in mind. so -- and number three, we have got to increase the security around the institutions, like you said. jewish people in our homes, we're not safe. that's got to change finally, finally. >> i know it's been a minute. i'm sorry we took our eye off this very important story. it means a lot to us and it's great to have you back, jonathan greenblatt, to be continued. thank you. >> always appreciate you. thank you, nicole. >> we'll be right back. nicole. >> we'll be right back

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thank you so much for letting us into your homes during these truly extraordinary times. we are so grateful. "the beat with ari melber" starts now. >> hi. thank you very much. welcome to "the beat." i'm ari melber. we are reporting on an unusual season. many countries deal with coups and plots to steal selects. in brazil it was january 2023 when you had these dramatic images and their own version of what they saw was an echo of january 6th. a mob attacking and ransacking the building in this country and there were election lies who stormed the capital or peru which had had five heads of state accused of crimes like treason and rebellion and the protests and gatherings that come w