good to be with you, i'm alex witt in for katy tur. we're right now following breaking news out of washington where the justice department has just announced it will not prosecute attorney general merrick garland for contempt of congress saying in a letter that garland's refusal to hand over audio of president biden's interview with robert hur to gop lawmakers was not a crime. joining us now from capitol hill is correspondent julie tsirkin. so let's interpret what this all means. i guess the implication being this was a political maneuver by congress. >> reporter: first of all, alex, this was as expected. congress, even republicans here who pushed this contempt vote. remember that just happened a couple of days ago, they successfully voted on party lines pretty much, except for one republican, to hold merrick garland in contempt of congress because he did not turn over those tapes from biden's

interview with special counsel hur, and the classified documents case, republicans expected the department of justice not to prosecute attorney general merrick garland, meaning this is case closed. i want to know that we reached out to speaker johnson's office to see if they have a response to this, nothing yet. it says, quote, consistent with the long standing position and uniform practice, the department of justice determined that the responses by attorney general garland to the subpoenas issued by the committees did not constitute a crime, and according to the department, accordingly, they would not bring the contempt citation before a grand jury or take any other action to prosecute the attorney general. so this is consistent, the doj is saying, with their past practices, including in other contempt votes to prosecute by congress attorneys general. i'm talking about eric holder under president obama, and bill barr under president trump. the doj, the attorney general of course oversees made the same

qualification and assessment in those cases as we are seeing now. this means, again, that this case is closed, but we will bring you a response from speaker johnson and republicans who pushed this as soon as we have it. >> may i ask you a question, are there any ramifications for merrick garland for having been found in contempt of congress , but now the dodge not prosecuting. does there linger or merely an asterisk to a career. >> certainly you're going to see political statements. you're going to see republicans pushing back on this, saying the doj should have prosecuted merrick garland, of course we know republicans under the weaponization of government, that the government is weaponized, committees they have established. i expect them to continue to push this narrative out there, but effectively there is nothing else congress can do if the dodge has closed the case on this. remember what this is about, the white house, the biden administration asserted executive privilege over those tapes, and that is why at the end of the day, the attorney general, though he supported that move said he can't hand

over the tapes. he is ham strung by that executive privilege coverage. >> julie tsirkin on capitol hill with the breaking news, thank you, julie for that. let's go now to our top story as right now in italy, president biden has wrapped his one on one meeting with pope francis. he became the first pontiff to attend and address leaders at the g7 summit, challenging them about the dangers of artificial intelligence. what we know about his closed door discussion with the president, and what other top priorities were discussed today. as biden and italy's georgia maloney agreed to hit russia with more costs over its war in ukraine one day after volodymyr zelenskyy restored a ten-year deal with the u.s., as well as a $50 billion loan from frozen russian assets. can pledges like this do enough and last long enough to guide ukraine to victory? because right now, peace still appears to be a million miles

away. today, kyiv rejected a new proposal from vladimir putin where he promised to quote, immediately end the war only if ukrainian troops withdraw from occupied regions and if ukraine dropped its plan to join nato. both of those, of course, have been long standing, nonstarters for ukraine, since the war first broke out. what happens now? we've got a whole lot to cover. we're going to get right to the reporting for you. joining us now from italy, nbc news white house continue monica alba. contributor for the national catholic reporter, christopher white, and "politico's" coauthor, eli. remind us of the relationship between the pope and president biden and what we know about their private audience today? >> it's a deep bond that is shared between these two men, alex, and of course the president as a devout catholic actually his relationship with

the pope dates back more than a decade because it was then vice president joe biden who was dispatched to rome to represent the u.s. at pope francis's inauguration in 2013, and then when the pope came to the u.s. in 2015, he spent some time then also with vice president biden and it was a couple of months after beau biden died of brain cancer that the pope held a private audience, not just with then vice president biden but some of his family members as well. that meant a lot to him at the time. since then after being elected president, he traveled to rome, to the vatican to meet with pope francis, where he has called him the most peaceful warrior that he has ever met, and the person who he believes can deliver that message of peace the most effectively. and actually, in his interview with special counsel robert hur last year, he brought up unprompted that he was still in regular contact and in touch

with the pope through written communication. their meeting today carries extra significant because of what an emotional and intense week it has been for the president, and for the first family, given hunter biden's conviction on those felony gun charges. anytime that he is able to spend with the pontiff today is meaningful and of course deeply personal for him. and it's also historic for the pope himself, since he's the first pope to ever attend a g7 summit, alex. >> to address issues around artificial intelligence because that's newly cropped up. christopher, president biden last met the pope before the wars in ukraine and gaza. that was back in 2021 when he called him the most significant warrior for peace he's ever met. the pope has had called with biden, urging him to hour the temperature in the middle east. how much does their approach to peace differ, and how important is their meeting at a crucial time. >> i think with the two men on a personal level, the bond is strong.

politically they see the world quite differently. pope francis sees his call, his role in the world to be a peacemaker first and foremost. he doesn't get into the weeds, but he focuses on broad calls for cease fires. he has done that in ukraine and gaza. simply put, he's butt heads with the biden administration, we have seen that behind the scenes in rome. pope francis is doing what he can to bring an end to the war in ukraine. the biden administration said, you know, they're going to defend ukraine no matter what it takes. i think behind closed doors, we have not gotten a readout from this meeting today. behind closed doors, i think those tensions will be present, but i think they'll look at ways that they can partner together, and i think we'll see that primarily on this partnership between the u.s. and the vatican on the repatriation of the roughly 20,000 ukrainian children that have been abducted to russia since the war began. i think that's where they find common ground. >> okay. thanks for that. monica, putin's cease fire proposal, that is being slammed

by ukrainian officials, they're calling it absurd. has the president offered any reaction to putin's deal? >> well, the white house and senior administration officials have reacted to it, similarly. really dismissing it, saying that it is not only unrealistic, but not productive to try to have a conversation about peace talks with stipulations that certainly would not be entertained here. and that's why the president really side by side with president zelenskyy yesterday said he wanted to send the broader message to president putin that if he thinks he can outlast the west or outlast the resolve of the u.s. and the international community in backing ukraine, that he would be sorely mistaken. today they're really trying to frame this in the context of if there's going to be serious consideration of peace talks, that should happen through channels like the event that's going to be taking place this weekend in switzerland, where president biden will not be going. instead, vice president harris

is going to be representing the administration along with national security adviser jake sullivan, and they're going to take part in those conversations where of course the ukrainian president will be leading the way there. they certainly don't agree with what president putin laid out in terms of withdrawing from those critical territories or this question of ukraine joining nato is a little bit of a more interesting one for the u.s. because the president has said a little bit of different things on that specifically because he has not said that ukraine should definitely join nato, but at the same time, he says he stands by ukraine's right to defend itself and there could be conversations about that at some point potentially in the future, alex. >> monica, i know you have to take off. thank you for joining us to this point. eli, let's go to you. i know you have been following the relationship between president biden and georgia maloney, the newly elected leader of italy. the surprisingly close relationship, despite political

differences in the approach, today's biden and maloney, they have both agreed to pursue all available options to impose further costs on russia. what does that mean? how do you interpret that? >> that has to do with the seizing of the russian assets, the ten-year defense pact the u.s. signed with ukraine yesterday in trying to inoculate ukraine against further political changes against the u.s. that would erode the government's support for ukraine biden is not reelected. biden and maloney, maloney came from the far right. there was a fear inside the white house about what that might mean for the g7. she has actually been to everyone's great surprise, a very steadfast and committed ally when it comes to the major things on ukraine, transatlantic security and tackling problems like migration, infrastructure in a constructive and pragmatic way.

the g7 has a whole has been fairly cohesive. i think what's striking at the moment is this meeting coming a few days after eu elections. maloney's party did well in italy. the other leaders for somewhat, you know, varying degrees of setbacks in france and germany, especially, and joe biden obviously is on the ballot this november, and so there are a lot of questions ahead for the g7, efforts to, you know, put up a symbolic commitment to are one thing. there's nothing signing a document can do if biden is not reelected. if far right forces eventually are governing another g7 country france or somewhere else in europe. if that becomes the case, then there are real questions about how that will affect ukraine if the war goes on. the u.s., the g7 are continuing to send resources to ukraine, but there are still things that ukraine wants that the u.s. is

reluctant to do. in brussels, the defense ministers are meeting, and the u.s. is under pressure to lift restrictions on ukraine's usage of american defense munitions to be able to sort of untie their hand behind their back, so to speak, and allow ukraine to use the weapons more offensively inside russian borders to defend themselves. we will see where this goes. a big red line for biden, as much as he has tried to be steadfast in support of ukraine has been not wanting to see this war escalate. but at some point, you mentioned the peace talks with the pope at the top. russia putting forth a peace plan that was rejected. at some point, this is either going to have to end in a peace settlement, some kind of resolution, and the u.s. and the other g7 allies are saying we are going to leave this up to ukraine to decide. we don't want to see ukraine cdc any territory. they are not giving ukraine

everything at once to turn the tide of the actual conflict and put itself in a better position to negotiate an end to the conflict. >> a comprehensive answer to the question. thank you so much, and to you as well, christopher white. joining us right now, president emeritus at the council on foreign relations and author of "the bill of obligations," richard haass. good to see you. when it comes to ukraine. so much of this is about time, the ten-year security agreement. it doesn't have guaranteed aid, right? and it might last only as long as president biden is in office. are these pledges from international allies enough money-wise and time-wise for ukraine to win this war against russia? >> two things, one is as you suggest, they're not credible. president biden wasn't able to guarantee the delivery of aid, even while he was president because the house of representatives would not approve it. these pledges are nice words, but quite honestly, they carry no weight.

if there is a president trump or future republican senate or house, they're going to do what they're going to do. second of all, you raise a much more complicated question. what do you mean by win when it comes to ukraine. what's the definition of victory the russian quote unquote peace proposal which isn't, puts that center stage. is the united states committed to ukraine trying to liberate all the lands that russia has gained first in 2014, and then since 2022. i believe that's impossible. it's not going to succeed militarily. what are we trying to accomplish here? and i do think there's a chance that we can promote a stalemate and that is possible. and if we loosen restraints on how ukraine can use the military arms to inflict pain on russia, i think sometime next year in 2005, it's possible we could set the stage for some kind of talks.

a lot has to happen in order for that to happen. >> what is putin's strategy behind this peace proposal? does he only want those occupied regions? that's really what he wants. does he want ukraine not to join nato? what is it he wants? what's his strategy? >> he wanted to effectively eliminate ukraine. that's been his ambition from the get go. my guess is he thought he would accomplish it just over two years ago, and at minimum, potentially as a holding action, he wants to keep crimea, he wants to lock in what's going on in the east, and wants more than what he currently has. he wants to keep nato, ukraine out of nato because if ukraine goes into nato, that pretty much ends the possibility that ukraine would ever be eliminated as a sovereign country. every once in a while, it's useful to listen to what somebody like putin says. i think he wants the territory he has and then some, and he

wants to keep open the possibility of ultimately getting rid of ukraine. >> can i ask you quickly your top take away from the g7 summit? >> almost all the political leaders there are weakened by either elections or polls. the next g7, they can have a very different set of faces. and the countries are not on the same page on big issues, beginning with the middle east. but also china policy. so it's the g7, but the g in some ways is pretty weak right now. >> okay. richard haass, always good to see you. thank you so much. >> thanks all. up next, what a supreme court decision to strike down a trump era ban on bump stocks could mean to other challenges on gun restrictions. senator richard blumenthal joins us with his reaction. and what the senate judiciary revealed about justice thomas and supreme court ethics. why women in states where abortion is banned still worry

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interpreted to include bump stocks. with justice clarence thomas writing for the majority that a firearm equipped with them with that accessory does not meet the definition of machine gun under federal law. the biden campaign is reacting in a statement saying, quote, weapons of war have no place on the streets of america but trump's justices have decided the gun lobby is more important than the safety of our kids and our communities. joining us right now senator richard blumenthal of connecticut. welcome, senator, your reaction overall to the news today? >> my reaction is that this decision is completely wrong headed, scandalously misguided in legalizing machine guns, which congress sought to prevent in that 1934 law. it's not a second amendment decision. it's a resolution of questions about a device that makes semiautomatics into automatics.

in other words, machine guns, and what it shows is that this court puts its right wing political agenda above public safety. it will likely unfold and release the flood gates for countless other similar devices that turn semiautomatics into the kind of killer that enabled the las vegas shooter to kill 58 people, wound 500 with the single pull of a trigger. that's really a machine gun, and that's why this decision is so desperately wrong. >> well, and this ruling, as you know, prompted a vigorous dissent from liberal justice sonia sotomayor who wrote, when i see a bird that walks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck. i call that bird a duck. a bump stock equipped semiautomatic rifle fires more than one shot without manual reloading by a single function of the trigger because i like

congress call that a machine gun, i respectfully dissent, and she, sir, even took the rare step of reading that summary of her dissent in the chamber. how unique was that? >> it is very rare for any justice to read, actually read an opinion from the bench. i have argued four cases in the united states supreme court. i follow its work pretty closely, and a justice reads an opinion from the court when she or he cares deeply and believes that the majority is so far wrong that it has to be corrected in that public way, and the only ones really happy here should be the criminals and the mass shooters because no self-respecting hunter or recreational shooter would use a machine gun to go hunting and, in fact, you know, alex, the nra initially supported the bump

stock ban. so did donald trump. they have since reversed themselves, and it really is a travesty for amy coney barrett, one of the justices to say we're not political hacks, well, she's going to have to say that a few more times. they're acting like politicians in robes. it puts in stark release the upcoming election, which is legislation. we need legislation. i have advocated from the beginning to ban bump stocks. congress should act. >> will congress act, though? look at the politics of all of this. what are the chances congress acts. the senate, let's start with the senate. >> well, alex, you know, i have hope. i couldn't come to work in the morning if i didn't have hope that perhaps my republican colleagues will take a few baby steps as they did in the bipartisan safer communities act passed a couple of years ago,

bump stocks banning them, providing for safe storage and ethan's law like we have here in connecticut that prevents suicides and kids from harming themselves. stronger red flag laws. these are kind of minimal steps, bump stocks, bans are certainly among them. i have hope if we put gun violence prevention on the ballot this november, make it an issue, raise it to the top of people's issues, i think we can perhaps persuade my colleagues that they have to move in this direction. we have created a political movement. we need to energize that movement, and i believe this decision may act a little bit like maybe the dobbs decision did for abortion in mobilizing and galvanizing support for gun violence prevention. >> i very much appreciate the hope you carry with you every day when you walk into your office on capitol hill. senator richard blumenthal,

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that the committee advanced nearly a year ago. in a statement, a lawyer for justice thomas says, quote, the information that harlan crow provided to the senate judiciary committee fell under the personal hospitality exemption and was not required to be disclosed. well, joining us now, slate senior writer who covers the supreme court, mark joseph stern. mark, welcome. just last week, in fact, justice thomas amended his annual financial disclosure report, now acknowledging a pair of trips in 2019 with crow that correspond to pro publica we learned last year. what is this all about? >> we are learning that harlan crow, the gop megadonor lent out his private jet to clarence thomas, even more than we previously thought, and it seems that harlan crow and clarence thomas can't get their stories straight. even after thomas issued those amendments, we're uncovering more interactions and gifts that were bestowed upon the justice

that he now claims he didn't have to report. but i just want to be clear, you know, the personal hospitality exemption. it was a loophole, the judicial conference closed or tightened it. even when it was broadly worded and clarence thomas was trying to exploit it, it really clearly did not cover taking somebody else's private jet to go on your own trip. this idea that he didn't have to disclose the justice on his ethics forms, the fact that he borrow someone's plane for his own pleasure, that does not past the smirk test, and it never did. it seems thomas is not complying with the laws of disclosure here, and unclear whether he will. >> i want to get to the timing of this in a second, the ethics issues that are being raised against justices thomas, and alito, separately. the whole flags issue. they have not prompted any public action from chief justice roberts. do we know if this is being addressed internally.

the optics of this aren't great. >> so, you know, it's often said that the supreme court functions like nine separate law firms that occasionally work together to produce something as a team. and i think that it's easy to overestimate how much power the chief justice does have. that doesn't mean we should let him off the hook. it doesn't mean he lacks obligation to step in here, but even if he does, clarence thomas and sam alito can pretty easily just ignore him. i think it's quite possible that the chief justice told thomas and alito, you need to stop doing this, it's a bad look for the court. reel it in, accept fewer gifts or follow the disclosure rules, and it's possible that they ignored him and said, you know, you can't do anything to make us, john. it's our decision. nobody can force us to recuse. it's also possible that the chief justice shrugged and said none of this is my problem. i'm not alito or thomas. i'm going to do my job the best

i can. chief justice roberts doesn't seem to be breaking the rules. maybe this is being greeted by a yawn and a decision that it's not his problem. >> the disclosure rules, you mentioned have been changed. right? any push to have them be applied retroactively now? >> yes, some senate democrats and also house democrats are pushing for a binding code of ethics that is enforceable and one provision of some of these proposals would require retroactive disclosures because it's so clear that clarence thomas exploited this personal hospitality loophole, far beyond what it could justify. there's no real hope that senate democrats will be able to pass even the most basic ethics codes for the top part of the judiciary when republican block it at every turn. republicans are flaming this as an assault on the court by democrats who are sore losers, that they lost the majority for a generation at least and

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this week's unanimous supreme court decision to reject a bid limiting access to the abortion pill mifepristone was hailed by advocacy groups as good news in the fight for reproductive rights. in states with near total abortion bans, they increasingly fear being prosecuted by law enforcement in their states for using abortion medication obtained without a prescription. joining me here in studio is nbc news correspondent stephanie gosk who spoke with one missouri woman about her harrowing experience self-managing her own abortion. this is a frightening story. >> it is a frightening story. while there are issues being worked out at the supreme court, the story of abortion in america

is the story that's taking place in states like missouri that have the strictest ban. i had this opportunity to meet love holt who told me her personal story and how she used that story to become an activist for abortion rights in missouri. what did you feel comfortable telling the doctors in the emergency room? >> my name. >> that's it? >> i kept saying over and over, don't. [ bleep ] die, don't say you took those pills. >> love holt had taken the abortion pill after buying it online, even though there's a total abortion ban in her home state of missouri. already a single mom of five, she worried going through another pregnancy would be too hard on her family. >> i would have been putting myself and my children at risk for not being able to supply them with income and food and housing because my work schedule would be curved. >> moments after taking the abortion pill at home, she says she knew something was wrong. >> i was bleeding out quite a bit, and i kind of knew then,

like, you're going to have to probably go to the hospital. >> holt eventually went to the emergency room, reluctantly. >> i was in fear, honestly, that i was going to be carted away from my hospital bed to a jail cell had they found out. >> missouri's ban is one of the strictest in the country, no exceptions for rape or incest. abortion is only legal to save the life of the mother. >> can a woman be arrested for getting an abortion. >> not in the state of missouri. >> republican state legislator, nick schroeder cowrote the law. >> the only ones that could be held liable are the companies and physicians that are partaking in this, and basically preying upon women this these very sensitive times, i guess you could say. >> is your story something that you hear over and over again? >> i'm sorry. i wish my story was isolated

incident. it saddens me to know there are stories that are even more egregious than my story. >> fear of criminalization is not isolated to missouri, according to the organization, if, when, how, which provides legal assistance for abortion issues. in exclusive data shared with nbc news, calls to the if, when, how hot line spiked 875% after the supreme court overturned roe v. wade. >> the impact of criminalization goes far beyond the numbers of people who are arrested. it is this much bigger question of people who are unable to get the care that they need because they are worried or confused about what the law is. >> do you feel black lives are at risk as a result of this overturning of roe v. wade. >> 100%, and legislators know it. we are the ones that don't have the resources to take a flight to a safe haven state and get an abortion. >> together with abortion action missouri she helped gather nearly 400,000 signatures so

that a proposed state constitutional amendment guaranteeing abortion rights would be on the ballot this november. >> what will you do if a majority of people in this state say, you know what, we want access to abortion. >> i stand to protect life from womb to tomb. >> we're excited to have this win in november. it's going to be the greatest pivot of all of our lives. >> the politics in missouri are interesting, and actually mirror what went on in ohio. missouri is one of the most conservative states in the country. super red. right? in ohio, we saw an effort by republicans to make it harder to amend the state constitution because of the abortion issue. that attempt failed, then abortion rights were voted for by the state. you have something somewhat similar going on in missouri where there was an effort to make it harder to pass an amendment to the state constitution. it failed. not because there was a vote on it but because some republicans

were lukewarm and didn't want to be on the wrong side of the issue that was incredibly tricky for republicans. you look at missouri, they're not going to enshrine abortion rights into the state constitution, you know, it's not that clear what's going to happen there. they are not alone. other states will be voting as well. colorado, florida, maryland, south dakota. >> ohio, look what happened. missouri may be further red than ohio, it has been red recently, considered purple in some places of the state. it is interesting, i think the overturning of roe v. wade, what it has done in large degree is wail also exposed really where the country is on this issue in places. and what you hope, you know, in situations like this is that, you know, the people get hurt, and that's what they're going to do in missouri. they're going to vote up or down on this. >> 100%. heartbreaking listening to the story. thank you, stephanie gosk. massive flooding, leaving

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city." >> donald trump talking about thing hess thinks are horrible then all of us lived through his presidency. right back at ya, buddy. to insult the state hosting your convention is kind of bizarre, actually. unhinged in a way. >> joining us now nbc news senior national politics reporter jonathan allen. a big welcome to you. jump right into the politics here. mayor cavalier is warning trump's remarks could cost him the election since wisconsin is a purple swing state with a razor-thin electoral margin. is he right? >> i mean it is -- i mean, he's right and you're right that it is a razor-thin margin. thin as a bottle cap on "laverne & shirley" i think if you recall that show. look, in wisconsin in 2016, donald trump won by about three quarters of a percentage point. in 2020 joe biden won by about two-thirds of a percentage point. we're talking about an election

decided potentially in that state by 20,000 votes or fewer. so if you're alienated people you're making a mistake. i'm not sure this will change anyone's vote but there's not a lot of reason if nuer donald trump -- you're donald trump and bash milwaukee. particularly as its playing host at was pointed out. >> i was going to ask you to try to explain that. that would be a fool's error to say can you get inside trump's head. the white house, how it's responding and using trump's comments to its benefit. >> certainly hearing a lot from the biden folks. we talk to people in his campaign talking about this. you saw cavalier johnson in that clip a minute go, mayor of milwaukee, using that term that the biden white house and campaign likes to use about trump, "unhinged" and seeing billboards going up around milwaukee to make use of this horrible quotation if donald trump. i believe there's a response for

president biden that maybe we'll be able to show from the platform formerly known at twitter, but -- yeah. you see. he says, i happen to love milwaukee. >> that will do it! >> he's not the only one, alex. plenty of great stuff there. go see a brewers game, if you want. go to a brewery if you want. milwaukee's a wonderful town. but, again, i'm not sure how many votes this actually changes. >> yeah. >> we've heard trump do this before. bashing cities particularly majority minority cities. did not take on madison and dade county, wisconsin. a huge liberal outpost for democrats but has different demographics than milwaukee does. we'll have to see if this has a real lasting effect. >> can i ask you quickly? only 30 seconds left. trump made that surprising move endorsing former maryland governor larry hogan in his bid for the senate. the trump surrogates warned hogan may have ended his campaign because he posted on twitter about the hush money case in man hooten. so trump did this -- why?

>> i think donald trump was in washington. know he was in washington yesterday. meeting with republican senators. they'd like to be in majority. to do that a better chance if larry hogan run as competitive campaign forcing democrats to spin there and even better chance if larry hogan wins. someone got into trump's ear and told him maybe endorse him instead of helping democratsdem >> good to have your perspective. more from cavalier johnson tomorrow on the rev's show. that does it for me. back tomorrow 4:00 p.m. eastern. "deadline: white house" starts right now. hi, everyone. happy friday. it's 4:00 in new york. in one fell swoop the united states supreme court knocked down one of just a