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maybe currently predisposed who don't agree with what i, joe, or other democrats stand for, is there was a time when we had certain core values that we agreed with. >> former president obama on stage with president biden saturday night for a star-studded fund-raiser in los angeles. we will have more from that event including president biden's warning of the future of the supreme court. the presidential debate is less than two weeks away. well get expert legal analysis on the controversial analysis for the federal court to strike down a ban on bump stocks. ♪♪ good morning. welcome to "way too early" on

monday, june 17th. the biden campaign is raking cash over the weekend. the campaign said it raised more than $30 million as a part of a star-studded fund-raiser in los angeles on sat breaking the record for the largest fund-raise forever. the nbc news could not claim that. president biden appeared at the event, alongside former president barack obama, actors george clooney and julia roberts he and other top celebrities. comedian jimmy kimmel moderated the conversation and touched on several policy issues as well as former president trump. president biden said trump wants to get rid of the progress made the past four years and president obama expressed concern that the nation has, quote, normalized behavior pointing to trump's recently felony conviction and other

legal issues. at one point during saturday's fund-raiser president biden spoke about the supreme court and the possibility the next president will likely have an opportunity to appoint two justices. president was candid in his criticism of the high court bench. >> so it's been almost two years since the largely trump-appointed justices in supreme court overturned roe versus wade. >> don't hiss! vote! >> they are not booing. they are saying roe. these threats to abortion rights, to women's rights, to -- even to birth control and ivf, are not in our liberty imaginations any more and they are very real. these very personal intimate decisions are now being made by nine unelected judges, one of

whom flies his flag upside down, the other one -- one of the others drives around in a 267,000 gift on vacations, and i think we are all wondering what can we do about this? >> elect me again. no, i'm not just saying. the next president is likely to have two new supreme court nominees, two more. two more. he has already appointed two that have been very negative in terms of the rights of individuals. the idea that if he is re-elected, he is going to appoint two more flying flags upside down is really -- i really mean it. >> could this be the scariest part of all of it? >> well, i think it is one of the scariest parts of it. look. the supreme court has never been as out of kilter as it is today. i mean, never. i taught constitutional law for

nine years. this guy knows more about it than most. look. the fact of the matter is this has never been a court that is this far out of step, taking and -- and, by the way, when we said after the decision that overruled roe v. wade, the dobbs decision, you had clarence thomas talking about the fact that there are going to be other things we should reconsider, including in vitro infertilization and all of these -- by the way, not on my watch. not on my watch. >> meanwhile, there is growing reaction on capitol hill after a divided supreme court struck down a federal ban on bump stocks on friday. the bump stocks are devices that allow semiautomatic rifles to fire hundreds of belts in minutes. the ban was put in place by the

trump administration after the deadliest mass shooting in modern american history at a concert in las vegas in 2017. in a 6-2-3 ruling the justice reflected the federal's government that rifles equipped with bump stocks could be considered machine guns democratic senator chris murphy is calling on republicans who support legislation to ban the devices. >> i would hope that republicans said back during the las vegas shooting they want bump stocks regulated would join us if we pass a law, supreme court said they would honor that law. my bigger worry, jake, this supreme court has been signaling in some of their decisions on guns that they are ready to fundamentally rewrite the second amendment and require people to

take a background checks and taking dangerous weapons off of the street. i think this court is poised to make it very hard for congress or state legislatures to be able to regulate gonzalezs and keep our schools and communities safe. >> joining us is anthony coaly who previously served as the top spokesman for attorney general merrick garland. your thoughts on supreme court's decision on bump stocks. were you surprised? >> so i was. i was surprised about this decision on bump stocks. i grew up in deep in gun culture in rural north carolina where a lot of my family members still today they go out here and they hunt and they kill deer. but they don't use these devices that essentially turn semiautomatic rifles in to machine guns to kill a deer. so i was surprised that they did this, but i'm not disheartened

because senate majority leader chuck schumer has it right. congress can close this loophole today, right now. >> how? >> by passing legislation and the reality is that they can pass this legislation if donald trump gave republicans the green light to support a law to change, to close this loophole. you should do it, right? because this regulation was promoted and finalized under his tenure in 2017. so there is one person right now that is standing in between making communities safer or not and that is donald trump. >> you know, when -- in the decision, it was a 6-3 decision that came down. in the decision, justice thomas writes that bump stock doesn't change a gun in to a machine

gun. it's just basically a fast trigger finger. >> right. so what we saw here is what you just kaw on one hand and then you saw justice sotomayor say a person can hold down the trigger and that turns it into a machine gun. i loved her analysis here. if looks like a duck, if it walks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck, it's a duck. >> justice sotomayor had a very, very harsh dissent she writes today the court puts bump stocks into civilian's hands. we will be watching what senator schumer and senate democrats decide to do this week. before i let you go. you worked at the justice department under attorney general merrick garland. not shockingly but they have decided not to prosecute justice

garland said he will no face charges. that contempt vote was because congress was seeking house republicans specifically were seeking the tapes from president biden's special counsel interview and the justice department has refused to release them. they said that the tapes were protected by executive privilege. your thoughts on this entire ordeal? >> no surprise here. we have politicians doing what they do and using the legislative process to score political points is what happened here. >> is no surprise? >> it is a surprise. >> he almost was justice garland. another story. garland, something he does not usually do put out an op-ed last week he essentially called this an assault on the justice department, on the men and women and said that this was political gains that they have turned actual process in to a charade.

>> yeah. it is a political process and i wasn't surprised by it, particularly because of how we learned about it. we first learned that republicans were going to do this vote because they leaked it to a partisan news outlet and the day after the vote, they were already out with a campaign political ad. politics as usual here. what is important to note if you look at the facts how we got here, joe biden is voluntarily cooperating with the special counsel and he wasn't charged and merrick garland releasing a 53-page reported unredacted and open press under oath hearing from the special counsel. republicans have everything they needed to conduct a legitimate oversight. they are not interested in legitimate oversight. they are interested in politics and that is why i'm glad to see the attorney general stood up for his department and refused to let it be used as a political football. >> very important note that congress does have the transcript of this special counsel interview with president biden.

>> right. >> thank you so much for your time. >> thank you. >> appreciate it. still ahead, folks, we will look at how former president trump celebrated his 78th birthday over the weekend and how he confused the name of his own white house doctor. those stories and a check on weather and sports when we come back. r and sports when we come ck well i don't know if you know but i did manage to steal the moon. that moon? [ laughter ] i'm coming for my revenge gru. who's the loser now? loser loser. -loser, loser. (aaron) i own a lot of businesses... so i wear a lot of hats. my restaurants, my tattoo shop... and i also have a non-profit. but no matter what business i'm in...

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donald trump mocked president biden's acuity over the weekend before messing up the name of the doctor who administered his own cognitive test. at a rally in detroit on saturday, trump twice referred to former white house physician, turned u.s. congressman roddy jackson as ronnie johnson. take a look. >> jb has no plan. he's got absolutely no plan. he doesn't even know what the word inflation means. i don't think if you gave him a quiz. i think he could take a

cognitive test like i did. i took a cognitive test and i aced it. doc ronnie johnson. anybody know him, the congressman from texas? he was the white house doctor. >> a stunning new revelation former trump white house communications director alyssa fair-griffin says former trump talked about executing people. bill barr was asked when he remembered a time that trump called for a leaker to be executed. take a look. >> griffin who was trump's communication director posted yesterday and said that you were present a at a moment when trump suggested executing the person who leaked information that he went to the white house bunker when george floyd protests were happening outside of the white house. do you remember that? >> i remember him being very mad about that. i actually don't remember him

saying executing but, you know, i wouldn't dispute it, you know? i mean, it doesn't sound -- the president would lose his temper and say things like that. i doubt that he would have actually carried it out. you know? >> but he would say that on other occasions? >> the president -- i think people sometimes took him too literally and he would say things like similar to that and in occasions to blow off steam. but i wouldn't take him literally every time he did it. >> griffin went further saying trump had called for executions multiple times. >> and bill barr kind of danced saying i don't recall that specific instances but there were others. we talked about executing people. i'm like, how you rationalize does a person fit in sound judgment to be president of the united states? they are reading the tea leaves. they know a real chance he'll be president again and there is not a lot of glory or victory in being right but being on the wrong side of trump.

i think that is ultimately what it comes down to. >> the new details come as trump promises revenge against political opponents if he wins the white house. some political insiders fear that could lead to violence. trump celebrated his 78th birthday at a sold-out campaign event in west palm beach, florida, on friday night. the event was filled with members of his fan clubbed dubbed club 47. a birthday cake had a big red megahat. he told the crowd he doesn't even need their votes in the upcoming election. >> so if you want america and you want to save america, i'm asking everybody to go and swamp the vote usa.com, swamp the vote usa.com, to make a plan to vote either by mail or early in person or election day. just vote. i actually tell our people, we don't need your vote. we got so many votes, we don't

need them. we just don't want to see votes stolen. we want to say, you know, steal the vote. we are not going to let it happen. not happening again. >> at least two supporters appeared to have fainted while waiting to get into the florida rally. the state saw record high temperatures last week. still ahead, we will turn to sports with highlights from a dramatic finish at the u.s. open marked by missed putts from one of golf's best players. and we will get a look at the forecast to start off the week. that is all straight ahead on "way too early."

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lost 8 of their first 10 games. nba, game five of the finals is tonight in boston. the dallas mavericks took game four with a blowout win over the celtics on friday night. boston can close out the series tonight with a win. it would also give them a record setting 18th championship overall. game five tips off tonight at 8:30 eastern. we will wrap things up with a big, big injury in major league baseball. the los angeles dodgers will be without star shortstop mookie betts for sometime after he was hit with a pitch that broke his left hand. yes. betts was drilled by a 98-mile-per-hour fastball in the seventh inning of yesterday's game against the kansas city royals. the team doesn't have a timetable for betts' recovery but they did say that he will not need surgery. we are just hoping for his recovery. now time to the weather. michelle grossman is here for the forecast. what do you have, michelle?

>> good morning. we have lots of heat. a dangerous week weather wise. coast-to-coast with temperatures 10, 15, 25 degrees above normal for this time of the year and 90s and triple digits and if not, feel like the triple digits when you factor in the humidity. today, 66 million americans under heat alerts. heat advisories in the orange from midwest all through the ohio valley to the northeast and heat watches and heat warnings. this is just the start of it. we are going to see some really hot days and not really recover overnight and this is going to be a long stretch and what makes it particularly dangerous. taking a look at temperatures today. lots of 90s throughout the ohio valley. chicago, 97 today. in addition to the dangerous heat, we are probably will break a lot of reports. pittsburgh 92 and syracuse, 93 degrees. same story tomorrow. we are going to be super hot as we are looking at temperatures soaring into the 90s once again and breaking records. you factor in the humidity and it will feel warmer than it is. these temperatures are some of

the first dangerous heat we have found all year. keep in mind summer has not started. it starts on the 20th. syracuse 97 tomorrow and record is 96. 91 in boston' 90 in bangor. parts of new england, they do not have air-conditioning so you want to heed all of the warnings and keep finances going if you can and stay indoors and stay under the shade if you have to be outdoors. late week, temperatures still staying in place. syracuse 91 and new york city the same. 96. it will feel like over 100 degrees there. no real relief throughout the late part of the week. another big weather story. we have a tropical system that may turn into a tropical depression. 8 inches in some spots so another story we will watch very closely. >> michelle grossman, thank you. so it's going to be hot?

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are reach an agreement on the rules. the debate will last 90 minutes and include two commercial breaks. there will not be a live audience in the studio and campaign staff will not be allowed to interact with the candidates. both will not be allowed any pre-written notes or props will you will be provided a pad and paper. in a statement, cnn clarified the requirements to be allowed on the debate stage. noting all participating debaters must app on a sufficient number of state ballots to reach the 270 electoral vote threshold and receive 15% in four separate national polls that meet cnn standards for reporting. only robert f. kennedy junior has a chance of meeting those

requirements. joining us is julia manchester. the rules for the first presidential debate have been announced. no audience which i think the second time for joe biden and the first for donald trump. muted mikes when candidates aren't talking. were any of these decisions a surprise to you? what do you expect to see? >> i don't think they were a surprise. we knew for a while that they were veering away from this idea of a live audience because of heckling. i'm curious to see how president trump is able to play off of that. he is someone who really likes to be in a crowd to feed off of that energy. so to see him just in a tv studio, president biden is used to it, he did it at the beginning of the pandemic with bernie sanders during the primary, but for trump, it certainly is a little different and, from what i've heard, his campaign was pushing for a big audience. the muted mikes, i think people from 2020 would say that is needed.

the moderator, it's hard to keep the candidates on track. in that case there were insults going back and forth. >> it was loud. >> you couldn't follow the debate. that was the issue. i think for a lot of viewers there may come as a bit of relief. >> we will be watching for sure. you are also looking ahead to some of the primaries, particularly republican primaries happening in virginia tomorrow. now, bob goode is on the ballot in virginia. what are you looking for? he is the chair of the -- one of the leaders of the freedom caucus and rank and file members of that caucus have who endorsed his opponent. >> former president trump has endorsed his opponent because of a deeply personal reason. back in -- the beginning of 2023 -- 2023 going into 2024, bob good endorsed ron desantis when trump's legal indictments were starting to pile up against him. so for donald trump, he is looking at this as very deeply

personal. i mean, his endorsement of john mcguire, bob good's opponent, was about bob good and how he stabbed him into the back. now in terms of bob good's chances, internal poling shows bob good trailing mcgwire. so that is not good. bob good has only ran. -- this is different for bob good from any other race he has reason in virginia's fifth district. >> important to watch so i hope people get out to the polls regardless of who they support tomorrow. you have been following donald trump's vice presidential search. i'm part of a team putting together a vice presidential team. you have new reporting about marco rubio and his prospects. are they real? >> you know, they are real. unlike the other potential candidates like tim scott,

burgum, marco rubio has a road block because he is a floridian and so is trump. they say two people on the same ticket can't be from the same state so that is a road block but there are some loopholes. we know in 2000, dick cheney changes his residency from texas to wyoming. in this case either of them could switch. you would think donald trump could switch to new york or new jersey. he has ties to those states. however, he was just convicted in a trial in new york. new jersey is a blue state. i don't think he is exactly champing at the bit to change his residency. >> yeah. i don't see former president looking to become a new jersey residents but the governor of new jersey might have something to say about that. >> absolutely. >> thank you so much for joining us. still ahead, we will live to cnbc for an early look at what is driving the day on wall

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just with regards anticipating caution should be the name of the game and that rate cuts perhaps only happen toward the latter part of the year, even in december. >> okay. so let's talk about auto companies, because companies in china, auto companies, they sold more cars than their u.s. counterparts for the first time. what does this mean for the auto industry? >> yeah. significant change and significant shift that we have seen in the auto industry, isn't it? really is around the electric vehicles market as well. remember staples of toyota and nissan happening out of japan as well but china has now grown its ev and electric vehicles market and that has meant that a whole lot more of exports have come out of china because of that. yes, you do have evs coming out of the united states but that seems to have lagged the chinese counterparts. yes, because of, among other things support from government officials and greater demand happening around the world. as it begins to slow down a little bit the question mark is how much more growth is in that market?

>> indeed. then the bank of england, is it actually on the brink of cutting interest rates, but on very entertaining factor could get into the way. tell us about it. >> yeah. taylor swift might be -- unfortunately -- for the bank of england to cut interest rates and one of the reasons. look. taylor swift coming to the united kingdom, we saw the impact that had on the united states and that is just based on the tour that she had across the united states last year. that grew the u.s. economy massively so. that could certainly happen this side of the atlantic, meaning that inflation prices could actually go a little bit higher and impacting inflation which impacts how much work the bank of england can actually do. at the same time, you do have elections here in the united kingdom happening on the fourth of july so all of those factors put into one part mean that the bank of england could hold off on cutting interest rates. >> it's the swift effect for me.

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ask your doctor about once-daily trelegy for copd [ grunts ] [ laughs ] the israeli military is temporarily suspending its day time operations along a corridor in southern gaza. the officials announced the tactical pause yesterday adding that the fighting in other parts of gaza including rafah will still opinion. since israeli moved into the southern gaza city last month, aid has plummeted and hunger is widespread and 50,000 children need to be treated for acute malnutrition. joining is mark polymiroplis. mark, before i get your reaction to the tactical pause, we are now learning that prime minister netanyahu has actually disbanded

the war cabinet. this was the writing on the wall since benny gantz stepped down. >> good morning, simone. i think you're right. this is something that was expected after benny gantz's departure from the war cabinet. i think the concern there is no moderate rating war influence so perhaps netanyahu is more beholding to the right wring nationalist members of the greater cabinet. he says he is going to still have some small kinds of inform informal consul tative bodies. in some cases, you know, the gantz departed tour would lead to probably probably more hard

line steps taken by the netanyahu government, not really a positive step. >> i have to imagine prime minister netanyahu knew he was going to make this announcement in advance of that. there was this announcement of his tactical pause. note it is not a cease-fire, a tactical pause. what does this mean for the people inside gaza and should folks read too much into it, given the announcement this morning? >> well, i think it's interesting. first of all, i think the israelis are, you know, very understanding of international criticism. there is, of course, a humanitarian crisis going on inside gaza and enormous backlog of aid trucks so i think it's clearly good this is going to happen. there is also thinking in the israeli national security enterprise that the tactical goals in rafah may be coming close to being achieved and they want to certainly pivot to the north where there is ongoing escalation with hezbollah. a key point we can't forget.

one idf announced this and prime minister netanyahu and the national member of the security cabinet deannounced it. there is political dysfunction on this issue where we are not sure if the idf will carry this out. at this point, we are not sure if benjamin netanyahu will allow this tactical pause to go through so, again, the effect of these extreme right wing nationalist cabinet members on netanyahu's decision making. >> i will note this tactical pause is set to begin at 8:00 a.m. every day and conclude at 7:00 p.m. and for one specific aid corridor, not everywhere in the gaza strip. i want to move to this reporting in "the washington post" that i know you're following. it details the extent of u.s. information sharing with israeli. now, the u.s. has historically shared information with israeli counterparts but this reporting tells us something new. what can you break down for the folks?

>> so "the washington post" report by shane harris was a deep dive into something i think a lot of us were looking for. in the middle east a region i served most of my career, so much goes on in the security and intelligence channels. you see sometimes kind of open flare-ups on the diplomatic side. biden and netanyahu having disagreements. under the table is where things get done and this reporting certainly suggests that the u.s. intelligence cooperation with israeli is actually at than unprecedented level on two key issues. one is on high value targets. that is iss and mohammed -- the two most wanted men in gaza and the u.s. assisting with intelligence and we are flying drones over gaza and doing that for months. the other is on the search for hostages. remember, there are still eight american hostages who are missing who presumably, hopefully, are still alive. one of the key things, too, the u.s. military in the super operations community is working with the cia according to the

reporting at the u.s. embassy and a good thing as well. ultimately, i think what is important the biden administration is under attack. this refutes that the biden administration is quite extraordinarily ally. interesting report. this is my old world. it's what i certainly would expect we would be doing and hopefully we can have some resolution particularly on the hostages. >> hopefully, for the hostages and their families, everyone is waiting. thank you polymeropoulos, thank you so much. up next, folks, we'll go over donald trump's pitch to black voters in a critical battleground state. this is as he seeks to make gains with the key voting block. coming up on "morning joe," president biden appeared at a star-studded fundraiser that raised record cash. we'll break down the number and his warning about the supreme court if trump gets re-elected. plus, "politico" is out with reporting that spells trouble

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donald trump says the fact he has black friends proves he isn't racist. that's according to an interview he gave to semafor on friday, which focused on trump's race politics and masculinity has been shaped by the black men in his life. trump said, quote, "i have so many black friends that if i were a racist, they wouldn't be friends, they would know better than anybody and fast. they would know in two minutes if i was racist, and i'm not racist." he also said black voters relate to him because he is, quote, being discriminated against by the criminal justice system. saying in part, i think it is through osmosis. they see what's happening, and a lot of them feel that similar things have happened to them. i mean, they've expressed that to me very plainly and very

clear. they see what's happened to them. and after winning just 12% of the black vote in 2020, donald trump tried to expand his outreach over the weekend at a community roundtable event in detroit. at a predominantly black church, trump spoke to a crowd of mostly white voters and took credit for the low unemployment rate achieved under president joe biden last year. >> i say it proudly, more for the black population than any president since abraham lincoln. that's a big statement. [ applause ] and crooked joe biden has done nothing for you but talk. it's only talk. we achieved the lowest from time to time african-american unemployment rate ever, ever recorded during my four years. >> joining us now is pulitzer prize-winning columnist and associate editor of "the washington post" and msnbc analyst eugene robinson.

eugene, you have been black your entire life. i'm interested in your comments. >> i've been black my entire life and had a long life, too. >> fruitful. >> thank god, i have. i just -- where do i start? >> let's start with the -- >> i have black friends and, therefore, i cannot possibly be racist. i grew up in south carolina. our long-time senator, thurmond, had a black daughter. he was racist as hell. he ran for president on -- >> one could, in fact, have black friends but still be racist. >> yeah. >> okay. >> one can have black friends and still be racist, which we've all known, you know, for my entire lifetime. usually when enjoy to a black church, i see black people. i didn't see a lot of black people in that black church. i hope the church got a nice boost for its capital fund or

something from whatever the campaign paid to use the building. but they just used the building. >> they used the building. they did fill the room. i don't know if these folks could be considered members of this particular church. >> uh-huh. >> the folks on stage with donald trump were supporters of his. >> yes. >> african-american men who voted for him in 2016 and 2020. they were not new converts, as folks were suggesting. do you think there are inroads to be had with donald trump and black voters, black men specifically? >> look, if i were in any close presidential race, i would worry about everything. so, yes, the biden campaign ought to worry about this. there are polls that show a looser connection between him and african-americans, especially african-american men, than you usually see between a democratic candidate and black people in this country. now, that's all relative.

you know, african-americans are still shown to be supporting biden by very large margins but not quite as large as you would expect. that's something the campaign should work on. i find it very difficult to believe that there is going to be a big enough shift, if there indeed is a shift, toward donald j. trump on the part of african-americans, you know, big enough to really affect the outcome of the election. where it comes into play is a state like pennsylvania. if you assume that trump is going to win a lot of the rural small town parts of pennsylvania, you know, biden has to get big numbers in philadelphia, big numbers in pittsburgh, so people actually have to come out. >> and some of the surrounding suburbs. you know, there is a new poll from "usa today" and suffolk

university detailing up is port of black voters from each candidate, and biden holds a majority of black support in the poll. 54.4% to donald trump's 15.2%. you talk about what the campaigns need to do. i think you're right, the biden campaign should -- i mean, it's going to be a close race. it was close in 2020. it was close in 2024. >> yeah. >> it was close in 2020, 2016, and will be close in 2024. >> it will be close in 2024. >> i'm wondering about the infrastructure, right? campaigns need infrastructure. it's about turning out folks. infrastructure helps get voters out. the trump campaign leaning on the rnc. the rnc shuttered a lot of the outreach offices, the minority outreach programs. >> yeah. >> in detroit, they opened an office this week. they have offices in philadelphia, i believe. what say you about the infrastructure of what the trump campaign is doing? >> well, there is a huge difference. the biden campaign has been building up this infrastructure

across the country for months and months now because, for a long time, they had a massive fundraising advantage. now, you know, trump has been raising a ton of money now, certainly more than he was before, and he's going to try to play catchup, i guess. but biden is already out there. that's a big advantage. >> it is a big advantage. eugene robinson, thank you so much for your time and insights. >> of course. >> always great to see you. pulitzer prize winning columnist here. we love to see it. thank you, folks, for getting up "way too early" on this monday morning. "morning joe" will start right now. joe biden has no plan. he's got absolutely no plan. he doesn't even know what the word inflation means. i don't think if you gave him a quiz. i think he should take a cognitive test like i did. i took a cognitive test, and i aced