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kitchen, which explores her life as well as her astounding musical career and where it all started right here in new york city. also, a programming note. you might have seen on your screen today, dr. anthony fauci himself, speaking of covid warnings, will be the big special guest tonight, 9:00 p.m. eastern, on the rachel maddow show. he has a brand-new book and rachel is going to sit down with him and get into everything. that is very important. we urge you to watch. i'll also mention dr. fauci joins us live on "the beat" tomorrow. catch him first tonight on rachel. that does it for us. "the reidout" with joy reid is up next. tonight on "the reidout" -- >> i think he should take a cognitive test like i did. i took a cognitive test, and i aced it. doc ronny johnson, does everyone know ronny johnson, congressman
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from texas? he was the white house doctor. >> a swing and a miss. at the very moment that he was questioning president biden's mental acuity, donald trump forgets his own former doctor's name. it's jackson. not johnson, donald. just the latest example of the proverbial cheese sliding off trump's cognitive cracker. plus, president biden's stark warning about trump's ability to alter the courts for decades. if he's allowed back into the white house. but we begin tonight with manufacturing consent. a concept introduced by edward s. herman and nome chomsky in their 1988 book on the political economy of the mass media. here's a clip from the 1992 documentary of the same name. >> but when the state loses the bludgeon, when you can't control people by force, and when the voice of the people can be heard, you have this problem.
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it may make people so curious and so arrogant that they don't have the humility to submit to a civil rule, and therefore, you have to control what people think. >> in short, it is the job of the media, our job, to not just tell you what happened, but to give you some context around what happened in a way that informs you and helps you make decisions in your busy life. but too often what the media actually does is create a mass consensus around the preferences of the financial and moneyed elite, to subtly make their preferences your preferences. this is especially true when selling wars and sometimes elections. in the november election to come, which let's be honest, could be our last free and fair election due to the machinations of a certain political religious cult, the wealthiest americans have a clear preference for the
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outcome. donald trump reinstalled as president. mother jones recently reported the following in an article about america's top donors heavily favoring trump and the republicans. which reflects something we have long known about rich conservatives. their disdain for taxation. mother jones reports that donald trump may have lost in the manhattan court where a jury convicted him of all 34 felony charges of falsifying business records, but, quote, there's one place he and his party appear to be winning. in the race to snag major cash from the richest families in america. for all of trump's supposed grassroots appeal, as of may 1st, less than one-third of contributions to his campaign committee for the 2024 election cycle had come from grassroots donors. that means people giving less than $200. according to open secrets, large contributors accounted for 69% of trump's $121 million total. whereas president biden's campaign committee which took in
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$195 million, got 54% from large donors. more broadly, the lion's share of confirmed contributions from the biggest political givers, the top 100 families, have flowed to republican candidates and groups. then there's something called hard money, money contributed directly to a specific candidate. these are donations that the federal government caps. mother jones reports that republicans took in 27% more from the top 100 families than democrats did. in dollar terms that's about $86 million for the republicans versus about $68 million for the democrats. but if you include soft money, the unlimited donations that the supreme court made possible through their citizens united ruling during and maybe in response to president obama getting elected by a 10 million vote margin, it's not even close. quoting mother jones again, republicans raked in a whopping $508 million from the top 100, triple the democrats' $169
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million take. it's a lot of numbers and data, but it may leave you wondering why would america's wealthiest moneys continue pouring money into a political party that stripped itself of its dignity to fashion itself into a religious colt centered around a 78-year-old 34-felony convict. michael jones has a pretty good guess. biden and the dems have spooked america's richest with their multiple and largely unsuccessful efforts to close abusive loopholes and raise taxes on corporations and the upper crust. that includes efforts to tax the unrealized gains of the mega rich. the paper profits on appreciated investments that are currently only taxed when the assets are sold. in the meantime, trump and the republicans are fighting to extend their unpopular and disappointing 2017 tax cuts and move the congressional budget office calculates would cost the u.s. government $3.5 trillion with a "t" over ten years.
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so what does that have to do with manufacturing consent? well, it probably wouldn't go over too well if you gentle viewer understood that setting trump up as an autocrat is willing to make you pay to stuff more cash into their deep pockets. much better to make you believe the people who really want trump back in charge are closing to home. which brings me to father's day. a lot of you saint may have spent at least part of yesterday in church celebrating your dads and the heavenly father. and in america, that tends to be a, shall we say, highly segregated experience. no one seems to go who originated the quote, but it's been said that the most segregated hour in american life is 11:00 a.m. on a sunday. it's just a factual legacy of this nation's history with race and religion that there are predominantly white churches and black churches.
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but what do you think of when you think of a black church? probably something like this. ♪♪ >> now, you may even think of images such as these. but what you probably don't think of is this. >> what a nice welcome. thank you. >> that is the reaction to donald trump, at what nearly every major media outlet reported was his visit to a black church in detroit, michigan. one of the ten blackest cities in america, with a population that's about 78% african american, and a poverty rate topping 33%. in other words, it would be hard not to fill a detroit church
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with black people. so now i want you to look with your eyes, look with your eyes again at this crowd. is what you're seeing here what you would write in a headline is a black church? and yet, here was the headline in "the new york times." trump in pitch to black voters in detroit cast biden as anti-black. and "the washington post," trump portrayed rampant crime in speech at black church in detroit. and the associated press, trump blasts immigrants for taking jobs as he courts voters at a black church. maga event in detroit. the detroit free press even ran a photo series online with a headline, trump visits black church to woo black voters. what they forgot to show was how overwhelmingly white that church was and how many empty seats there were. in fact, if you looked at the carefully selected images you would guess the crowd inside was overwhelmingly black and pro trump, literally cheering for him and chanting his name. you would be forgiven for believing that this re-enforces
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what seems to be the new hot narrative, that it is black people, specifically black men, who are driving trump back into the white house with their overwhelming and historically growing support. and the actual reality that you can see with your own eyes and know if you peel back the layers just a little bit is trump spoke to an overwhelmingly white crowd inside a large detroit church that, yes, does indeed have a black pastor, but which merely served as a venue. and that the people who participated in the roundtable like those in the audience at that church, were already trump supporters, not some new historic black supporters of trump. trump was in detroit to participate in something called the people's convention, a weekend-long gathering arranged by turning point action, a conservative grassroots group founded by activist charlie kirk. it would have been easy enough to ask some of the attendees at that roundtable if they came to that church from the convention.
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and while several of these stories note that trump harped on crime as part of his presentation, doesn't it seem ironic and pretty relevant that the guy saying that just recently got convicted of 34 felony counts in new york? trump raised the crime rate in detroit just by being there. one of his new friends at that event, kwame kilpatrick, is just four years out of prison himself, where he was sentenced to 28 years for his role in a wide ranging racketeering conspiracy that included fraud, extortion, and tax crimes. kill patrick extorted city vendors, rigged bids, and took kickbacks and bribes. he used funds from nonprofit civic organizations to line his pockets and those of his family, steering millions of dollars to himself and his friends as detroit plunged deeper into poverty. kill patrick was released because trump commuted his sentence in 2020. of course, now he's endorsed him. but it's weird, how many black men endorsing trump are famous black men with criminal records,
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not like the criminal records this country has racked up for black men through things like the war on crimes. mow, for crimes after they committed after they were prominent and rich, kind of like donald trump. also on hand as part of trump's black for trump -- blacks for trump coalition, john james, who represents an overwhelmingly white, affluent district in michigan, and also, detroit native and former hud secretary dr. ben carson who hasn't lived in detroit since he was a child and more recently has lived in mansions in places like virginia and florida. the ever present trump apologist byron donalds whose majority white district is also in florida, and a flock of detroit rappers who apologies i confess i never heard of. the church was called 180 church. the pastor is a detroit native who grew up in an abusive home with his father going to prison when he was a teenager. his experience with the criminal
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justice system did not happen when he was already rich and famous. he became a drug dealer and gang member as a troubled kid, the way it tragically happens for so many americans in communities with higherates of poverty, but he had a convention experience his senior year of high school in 1999, and later became a pastor. here he is claiming biden and obama never visited the hood. >> president trump, i'm so humbled that you would be here, president obama never came to the hood, so to speak, right. president joe biden, he went to the big naacp dinner, but he never came to the hood. so thank you. >> this is the part where i point out that president obama came to michigan 15 times as president, including detroit. pastor sewell also claimed it's hard to find a black barber in detroit for his kids, which was weird. and in an interview on fox after the roundtable, he quoted something you have probably never heard of called the plat
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fm plan, a black wealth plan. he claims donald trump created but was the idea of ice cube, so not a trump plan at all. and i'll add this, it is ironic that trump is attempting to court black voters in detroit, just four years after lying about black voters in detroit, and claiming their votes were inherently fraudulent. michigan was one of the states whose votes trump, rudy giuliani, and their kabul tried to steal in their insurrection. the attorney general in michigan has charged 16 people with felonies for trying to steal the votes of black michiganders from detroit. so in making his pitch, i wonder if donald reminded his new friends he doesn't think their votes in a city where he won only about 5% of their votes should have counted last time, which brings me back to the question of manufacturing consent. we know based on the actual data donations, the endorsements and open statements of billionaires that it is the superrich and also christian nationalists who want trump back in power, not
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poor folks or black americans. so why is all this energy being expended to try to pin a potential trump return on these groups instead of on his real base? because trump has a big lie about black people, too. and just like all of his lies it aims to jeopardize democracy by making you think that he did more for black people than any president since abraham lincoln, but we'll unmake these lies and their intent next. lowering bad cholesterol can be hard, even with a statin.
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we have done more for, and i say this, i say it proudly, more for the black population than any president since abraham lincoln. that's a big statement. but we achieved the lowest african american unemployment rate, and the lowest african american poverty rate ever recorded. ever, ever recorded. during my four years. >> nope, nope, nope. nope. none of that is true no matter how many times trump says it. the lowest unemployment rate and positive ate rate have come during president biden's term. joins me are basil smikle and judd. >> your thoughts on the trumpet black church moment? >> devious and deceptive that he would air brush black people into his political event like that, especially when the audience itself was not black.
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i have no words because that because i don't know who was there with donald trump. on detroit specifically, i have friends who are architects and urban planners in that great city. they talk a lot about how block by block, they're bringing arts and culture and economic development to the city of detroit. which reminds me of all the things that donald trump says about whether it's detroit or milwaukee, washington, d.c., or the bronx, where i grew up, what is the connective tissue when he bad mouths those cities, they're black-led cities. majority black voters. he uses that as a dog whistle and it angers me because what he doesn't do and a lot of conservatives do not do is talk about what government has done for generations to create the kind of conditions in those cities that he is now sort of trying to talk about. they don't talk about that. nor do they ever talk about the people on the ground who are not passive in all of this.
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black and brown people who are not at all passive and are actually trying to and have success in building some of these neighborhoods back. i have seen it in the bronx, but it's performative, it's insulting, and i really hope folks don't go for that. >> the other piece of it, to stay with you for a moment, i call it blackstroturfing, they're trying to create this fake grassroots movement and trying to lure people in with cash. let me let you listen to reverend sewell, he got on fox and got his star turn. here he is on fox talking about an economic plan for the black community. >> he laid out an agenda, i don't -- i can't remember any president, quite frankly, who ever laid out an agenda for black america. our former president, he put together an agenda called the
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platinum plan. those numbers are approximately $500 billion to disseminate to black businesses, black churches, to be able to help the least of these, and those metrics matter to us. >> wrong. that's ice cube that created that. it's an ice cube plan. he's now attributing it to trump to sell black people on the fact trump has an economic plan for black folks. your thoughts. >> just because you're around black people doesn't mean you know black people. he has this tendency to surround himself with a lot of celebrities, thinking that we, like he, is transacle. that's not how this goes. but he surrounds himself with folks, whether it's pastors or celebrities or others, where he thinks he puts a little money their way or tries to give them a kind of access and thinks that alone is going to drive black people to the polls. we saw that when he started talking about his sneakers that he was selling for crying out
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loud. it is incredibly, incredibly insulting and reductive and we know -- i'll say this quickly on the economics, if you look at the heritage fund's project 2025, that's everything you need to know economically about donald trump and what he's going to do. from cradle to career. >> let me get jud in here because you have a new piece out, because the other piece of this manufacturing consent is trying to get people to believe visuals that aren't real and trying to get people to believe ideas that aren't real. now that's not just being laundered through fox. it's also going through your traffic and weather. tell me your update on what sinclair is doing. >> sinclair broadcast group which has almost 200 affiliates branded, nbc, cbs, and all sorts of other affiliates, they're pushing through their websites
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information that was originally put out there by the republican national committee through their twitter account, now x, basically deceptively clipping video to make it seem like biden is freezing or in some cases they're claiming he's soiling himself. and then, taking these, wrapping them up as if they are news articles, and distributing them to every single affiliate news website, and doing it repeatedly, day after day, and really driving home this false message of biden's fitness for office based on these video clips. >> and by the way, let me show you this, they did a huge fund-raiser about $30 million in l.a., with actual celebrities, not trump's version of them, and there is this moment where biden is waving to the audience. this is 9 for my director here, he's waving to the audience and
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he stops to greet the crowd, and obama comes over to him. this is now being manufactured as the idea to essentially say, you know what, just give in. you must put trump back in because biden is enfeebled. trump has this fake grassroots support, the blacks want him in. look at him, look at biden. it's not true. he was fine. but they are creating this narrative. judd. >> yeah, and i think it's particularly pernicious because look, if you're turning in to fox news, tuning in to fox news, you pretty much know what you're going to get, but these local affiliates are stations that are watched by actual swing voters, and they're not anticipating a partisan message. these are trusted news anchors. about 70% of americans still trust their local news to give them accurate information. so by weaponizing these affiliates and using them to push a very dishonest partisan message, they're really driving
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this message home to the exact people that they want to reach and could potentially be persuaded. >> kn i am old enough to remember back in 2012, as president obama faced his re-elect, all the headlines said he's going to be a one-term president, no way he gets re-elected. they claimed he was losing spore from black people. this is happening every four years when it's a democratic president because tax cuts, tax cuts, tax cuts. that's all this is about. thank you both very much. up next, republicans are desperate to highlight biden's age, or maybe it's just to cover up the fact their nominee is clearly not okay cognitively. more on trump's nonsensical and dangerous weekend ravings after the break. break. ndreds of trave sites at once? i like to do things myself. i can't trust anything else to do the job right. kayak... aaaaaaaahhhh kayak. search one and done.
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i think he should take a cognitive test like i did. i took a cognitive test. and i aced it. doc ronny. doc ronny johnson, does everyone know ronny johnson? congressman from texas? he was the white house doctor. and he said i was the healthiest president he feels in history. >> donald trump this weekend while bragging about supposedly acing a cognitive test, mixed up the name of his own white house doctor, whose name is ronny jackson, not johnson. oops. guess it shouldn't be too surprising coming from the guy who thinks nancy pelosi is nikki
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haley, joe biden is barack obama and viktor orban is the leader of turkey, not hungerary. it's clearer by the day donald trump is not okay, but it goes beyond verbal slip-ups it's his deranged and dangerous rhetoric that's concerning. don't just take it from me, his own former white house communications director said in an interview this weekend trump casually talked about executing people multiple times in meetings. >> kaitlan collins to her creditner viewed bill barr and shared an anecdote where we were in the oval office and trump said a staffer who leaked a story should be executed and bill barr said i don't recall that specific instance, but there were others where he talked about executing people. i'm like, how you rationalize that is a person sound and fit to be president of the united states. >> joining me now is carol lining s, national investigative reporter for "the washington
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post," msnbc contributor and coauthor of a very stable genius. let me let you listen to what william barr, the former attorney general had to say in response to what we just heard. >> alyssa farah griffin who was trump's communications director, posted yesterday and said that you were present at a mope ntd when trump suggested executing the person who leaked information that he went to the white house bunker when those george floyd protests were happening outside the white house. do you remember that? >> i remember him being very mad about that. i don't remember him saying executing, but i wouldn't dispute it. it doesn't sound -- the president would lose his temper and say things like that. i doubt he would have actually carried it out. >> just to clarify, that is from april, but he's responding to the same set of facts. this excusing of trump is kind of the way that it's gone. the people who have been around him, like bill barr, who still want to be viable, they make
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excuses, but this seems to be a pretty serious national security issue, no? >> really glad you focused on this particular moment, joy. remember, then-president trump was indeed livid at the idea that there were press reports by "the new york times" and by myself at "the washington post" indicating that trump had been rushed to the bunker while george floyd protesters, people protesting the murder of a man at the hands of police in minneapolis, that he looked weak. trump was furious because these reports implied he rushed away for his own safety to the basement, essentially, that's usually used for nuclear wars and other dangerous situations. he did not like being viewed as weak. these are why the press reports infuriated him. we know at the time he lost his temper, for sure. i did not know that he was suggesting executing who had been leaking the information,
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but i know that he also asked about how they could prosecute and hunt down the leaker. and you know, leaking this kind of information is not a national security violation. people know that the president, for his own security, is taken by the secret service whenever there is a real risk to the white house. that's not how trump operates. trump operated in this belief that he should be able to punish in whatever form he thought reasonable, anyone who made him look bad. and that's really what he was worried about. >> and he would be more sort of unbound if he came back in. just some of the people who worked for trump, mark esper, his former defense secretary, trump asked about shooting protesters in the legs after floyd's death. mark milley, milley rejected trump's suggests the military should crack skulls during protests. john kelly said trump praised hitler in the white house, saying he did some good things.
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you could go on and on. that's just him on the violent fetish. you also have people from the apprentice talking about him freely using the n-word, being openly racist. that's before he was president. this pattern and these sets of facts when you throw in what cassidy hutchinson said about him lunging at a secret service agent, this does not present a picture of a stable genius, and he would be unleashed as president again. >> i think trump has made clear that if he returns, it's going to be the retribution tour all over again. people who have cost him in one way or another could be jailed, imprisoned, prosecuted. i tend to agree with attorney general bill barr, former attorney general bill barr that trump actually executing people strikes me as something he wouldn't follow through on, but unhinged and willing and empowered to do whatever he thinks is appropriate,
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regardless whether or not it's legal, regardless of whether or not there is any basis for this kind of prosecution or punishment, i don't think there will be any leash on him at all in those kinds of actions. and he said so, i don't have to guess. he said so. he said he'll be a dictator at least on day one. and we should take him at his word. >> nobody ever stays a dictator for one day. once they get that power, they keep it. carol, thank you very much. up next, president biden delivered a big warning on the fate of our democracy and the balance of the supreme court, if trump wins in november. that's next. ♪ limu emu... ♪ and doug. (bell ringing) limu, someone needs to customize and save hundreds on car insurance with liberty mutual. let's fly! (inaudible sounds) chief! doug. (inaudible sounds) ooooo ah.
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the next president is likely to have two new supreme court nominees. two more. two more. he's already appointed two that have been very negative in terms of the rights of individuals. the idea that if he's re-elected he's going to appoint two more flying flags upside down is really -- i really mean it. >> could this be the scariest part of all of it? >> i think it is one of the scariest parts. look, the supreme court has never been as out of kilter as it is today. >> he's right, of course, if donald trump wins, two of the most offensive justices, clarence thomas and samuel alito, who also happen to be the
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oldest on the court, would likely retire. and just like in 2016, leonard leo, the founder of the federalist society and one of the most influential religious act haves is waiting in the wings. leo has already reshaped the federal courts by hand-picking conservative judges and justices and his preferred list of wanna be justices in a second trump presidency is already out there. let me be blunt. you all should be very worried. these judges would lock us into a multi-generational nightmare. fox spoke with a number of sources and the latest list is a veritable who's who of young forced birth anti-lgbtq activists who have made a living stripping away rights from minorities in america in the name of christian nationalism. top of the list is former clarence thomas clerk james ho, who was placed on the fifth circuit court of appeals by trump and sworn iby the supreme court's kept man in his sugar daddy harlan crow's private library.
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vox describes his judicial opinions as fox talking points, men's rights activism, federalist society fantasies and diskrezted legal doctrines that are now taught to law students to warn them of the supreme court's worst mistakes. he has written that abortion is the immoral tragic and violent taking of innocent human life and he views the racial history of abortion advocacy as a tool of the eugenics movement. joining me is joyce vance, msnbc legal analyst, and joyce, james ho, judge ho, is the scariest of the list. but there are others. your thoughts on the idea that, because i think it would take about two days for thomas and alito to retire and just permanently going on vacations with their rich friends if trump got in and people like james ho would be on the court for a dockied -- for a generation. >> so i think the important thing that everyone needs to understand, joy, is that the supreme court is on the ballot.
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and this is an issue that republicans have done a good job with their voters for over the decades. reminding them even if the presidential candidate or the senate candidate isn't your cup of tea, it's important that you volt for them because that's in essence how we appoint federal judges and especially the supreme court. and democrats who operate under a much broader tent and don't always rally their voters in that same way, haven't necessarily done that. i think the choice becomes very stark this election go round. what do you want the supreme court to look like for the next generation? >> you're absolutely right. this isn't even about biden anymore. it's about the court vacancies and who gets to fill them. here's questions outstanding for the current court. can physical abusers have guns? can the federal government block the deal with purdue pharma? can hospitals perform emergency abortions to protect the life of a mother or not?
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can federal courts continue a doctrine that defers to a federal agency's interpretation of unclear statutes and the two big ones, obstruction of an official proceeding, is that too broad of a charge? and is donald trump protected under absolute immunity? those cases are going to keep coming and they could get worse and worse and with a 40-year-old version of alito on the court. >> so a federal judge from a party that's not the party that i served under as a u.s. attorney once said to me that in 99% of all cases, competent people who are appointed to the federal bench will reach the right result, and no one is worried about those cases. it's the 1% we worry about. what we're entitled to as americans are judges who set aside the party that appointed them to the bench and look solely at the facts and the law and make their ruling on that basis. but something that we have seen,
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and look, to be fair, this happens with judges who come from both political backgrounds, but what we have seenover the last few years is results oriented judging from trump appointees from other conservative judges on the bench. it's disturbing to see 50 years of precedent stripped out when roe v. wade is reversed by judges who before they became justices told the senate that they believed that roe was superprecedent, it was firm and binding precedent. i think what we're all looking for is a way of right sizing the judiciary so public can have confidence in it again. >> steve bannon is talking a lot of stuff. let's listen to some of his latest remarks this weekend. >> we're coming after lisa monaco, merrick garland, the senior members of doj, that have prosecuted president trump. jack smith. you're going to be investigated, prosecuted, and incarcerated.
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okay. november 5th is judgment day. january 20th, 2025, is accountability day. >> your thoughts on steve bannon issuing a lot of threats. he's supposed to be reporting to prison soon, but he's going to higher court, including maybe the supreme court, to stay out of prison and he's essentially saying maybe i just won't report to prison. he doesn't have that option, right? he certainly cannot order the prosecution of lisa monaco or merrick garland. >> that's absolutely right. look, july 1st is judgment day for steve bannon. that's the day he has to report. and if he doesn't, and fairly short order, a deputy united states marshal will go out looking for him. happy to put bracelets on him and take him to where he's supposed to be. steve bannon is not some sort of super above the law person in our society. and the way he represents himself, threatening the deputy attorney general of the united states, a career public servant,
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who has made sacrifices to serve the rule of law, is something that we should all be in tuned to. this is what we can expect in a second trump presidency. it will be as you pointed out a revenge presidency. steve bannon has been found guilty. he's been sentenced to four months in custody. like every other defendant, he's entitled to appeal. he's entitled to ask for an appeal bond. but that appeal bound has now been denied, and unless a higher court takes some form of action to protect him, which i think is pretty unlikely, like every other defendant, he can either surrender to serve his sentence or the marshals will go out and make it so. >> somebody tell him. by the way, i'm going to leave you with this. james ho did the case in which -- about the abusers being able to have gun. he's said he thinks he's skeptical of the law that abusers can't have guns because women aren't really victims of abuse and they gain protective
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with us even if you have to bring a whole family, we are going to have them and were going to have food and demand that the government do something about these conditions. >> that is dr. martin luther king jr. calling for people to head to washington and form what would become resurrection city. a 16 acre encampment with more than 5000 people living on the national mall. that protest demanding that congress approving free of budget for federal programs to help was organized by the poor people's campaign. a social movement calling for a revolution of values in america. it expanded the civil rights struggle to include demands for economic justice and opposition to the vietnam war. today, the poor people's campaign remains active and is reinvigorated by a new generation of activists including friend of the show william barber who tackles in a newly released must read. there risk behind how we talk
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about poverty and how poor people can become the new swing voters. joining us now is director of the yale center for public policy, co-chair of the campaign and author of white poverty, how exposing mix about race and class can reconstruct american democracy. thank you for being here. just an interesting set of numbers to throw at you. when you look at what nonvoting demographics look like, they are interesting. nonvoters, people who don't bother to vote, heavily nonwhite are white and also heavily earning under 50,000 a year. tell us more about your book and what you have learned. >> we have got to have in this country where come together. even those, a lot didn't show the media back then. poor in low-wage people now represent 30% of and in battleground states were the victory is between 3% or less,
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over 40%. that is a block that must express itself in terms of policy. used in the living wages? where do you stand on healthcare and demand an answer. i would not leave that walk. sit down and talk with leaders and taken the first 50 days, this is how were going to address the reality of people in this country. >> i often say, stop believing poor white people for trump. poor people don't vote. there are a lot of people who are white and poor. when we ever talk about them? >> it is the way of demeaning and then dismissing it. normally, when. that is demeaning and racist. tens of millions of poor low wealth white people.
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66 million versus 26 million. the forces that do that do not want that population to get together. it is always been the fear of the oligarchs of. to get together. we are pulling them together and saying that they must come together saying this is a powerful block and when it happens, it's going to change the economic architecture of the country. we have not raised minimum wage since 2009. that is 15 years and poor in low-wage white people are there, black people are there. we have a power that we must use. we cannot continue this in this democracy. during government, the people who died the most, poor people regard 3-5 times more. 350,000 people died because they did not have healthcare. you this together, anybody
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running for office that is committing political suicide, if they don't recognize this, it is the swing vote. >> who is manufacturing consent really talked about the fact that the goal of an oligarchy of is to get the elite to vote. to make sure the college educated people with money vote but there is no interest in having four poor people but because they would vote in their own interest and for things to save their lives. food, shelter, wages. what keeps white people from voting? what is it that keeps them out of voting? just be the one number one reason, they said nobody talks to them. there is a discarded class of people. i went to east kentucky. people cried on my shoulders. nobody comes back here. nobody talks to us. but we are saying is if that is right, they will not talk you.
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in a democracy, if you've got this kind of power, make them your you, make them talk to you. let's build this coalition, let's build this reconstruction. it's not about personality or party, let it be about policy. where do you stand on the issues that will lift the lives of poor people but lift the lives of all people? anything we do to uplift the port if it's the rest of society. >> it definitely always does. the book is called white poverty. thank you. i appreciate you and everyone else should as well. that is tonight rita. you can follow me on instagram or accounts on instagram and tiktok at the readout. inside with jim starts now. anyone out there waiting for the biden campaign to get tougher on donald trump's
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