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tonight, saying goodbye to the say hey kid. the family baseball legend willie mays announced he died today at the age of 93. considered by many to be the best baseball player of all time in the willie mays dazzled in new york and san francisco with his big hits and unbelievable catches in his two decades in the big leagues. willie mays once said "you respect the team you play, the guys on the other side. that is how the game works. way to win but appreciate the opposition." some very good advice from an all-time great. he will take us off the air tonight. on that side but a beautiful note, i wish you all a very good night. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thanks for staying up late with me. i will see you at the end of
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tomorrow. tomorrow. 12 years ago this week, then president obama signed one of the most important executive actions of his presidency the one that would change hundreds of thousands of lives across this country. the policy was that deferred action for childhood arrivals, or daca. it provided temporary protection from deportation for young people who are undocumented, young people who came to the united states as children, often brought by their parents or loved ones. they grew up in this country, attending school and places of worship, many without any knowledge of their legal status until years down the line, often finding out when they applied for a drivers license or applied to college or a job. for all intents and purposes, they are american, woven into the fabric of this country, which is why, 12 years ago, president obama took action.
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>> imagine you've done everything right your entire life, studied hard, worked hard, maybe even graduated top of your class, only to suddenly face the threat of deportation to a country that you know nothing about. with a language you may not even speak. i will not give up on this issue, not only because it is the right thing to do for our economy, and ceos agree with me, not just because it is the right thing to do for our security, but because it is the right thing to do. i believe eventually enough republicans in congress will come around to that of you as well. >> they did not. in the end, president obama was unable to pass comprehensive immigration reform, despite a bipartisan deal being reached with 60 votes in the senate to provide a pathway to citizenship, republicans in house blocked. in 2016, republicans nominated
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donald trump, who on the campaign trail made attacking immigrants part of his platform. as part of that effort, trump touched to rollback all of president obama's achievements, including daca. >> one good thing. >> you would resent the dream act. >> we have to make a whole new set of standards. when people come in -- >> you are going to deport children ? >> we are going to keep the families together, we have to keep the family together. >> you are going to keep them out? >> they have to go. >> what if they have no place to go ? >> we will work with them. they have to go. >> when trump was allegedly made good on at least one of the premises. the trump administration tried to rescind daca, calling it unlawful and unconstitutional but the backlash was swift. lawsuits were filed and the action was tied up in the courts. in the meantime, the trump administration moved forward with the plans , and immigration and border strategy that was abhorrent as it was inhumane. at least 5000 families forcibly separated the children torn away from their parents, all as a result of the trump zero-
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tolerance policy. the impact of the trump border policy so vast that nearly 1000 children remained, to this day, separated from their families. in june, 2020, a few months before the presidential election, the united states supreme court ruled that trump could not proceed with his plan to end daca. it was a huge victory . daca was temporarily saved . up president biden came into office determined to turn the page on the trump depressive immigration policies and find a legislative solution. for this year, you will remember this, a group of senators released a bipartisan agreement to impose tougher immigration and asylum laws. yet another attempt at immigration reform in congress looked like it might pass until donald trump torpedoed it in an effort to deprive biden of a key policy victory. two weeks ago, president biden signed an executive action that would
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connect immediate restrictions on asylum-seekers at the southern border. today, he announced of the most significant immigration policy change since obama unveiled daca 12 years ago. president biden using his executive powers to keep american families together. biden's executive action grants far-reaching protections to the on document it spouses of american citizens, a move that would shield an estimated 500,000 people from deportation . in order to qualify, noncitizens must have been living in the u.s. for at least 10 years and be married to a u.s. citizen. they also cannot have a criminal record. biden's actions today would also provide opportunities for work permits and eventually residency and citizenship down the road. it is an example, a shining example of the government taking direct action to stay true to the core values of this country, to fix problems affecting american families. >> these couples have been
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raising families, sending kids to church and school, paying taxes, contributing to our country for 10 years or more. matter of fact, the average time they've spent here is 23 years, the people we are affecting today. living in the united states all this time with fear and uncertainty. we can fix that. that is what i'm going to do today. i'm going to fix it. >> joining us now, one of the people you see over the presidents shoulder, homeland security secretary, alejandro mayorkas. mr. secretary, thank you for being with us on this historic day. welcome news for a lot of american families. walk us through how this policy will work. >> alesia, thank you so much for having me. good evening. this is all about family unity, keeping families together. a united states citizen's spouse, whose wife or husband is undocumented and has been in this country for 10 years or more, that undocumented's spouse may now have a path to a
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green card, to lawful permanent residents, without having to do what they once did, which is leave the country and apply for that benefit, without any assurance of when precisely they will be able to return. now, they can apply by stating together with their spouse, their u.s. citizen spouse, and also so very often, their children including u.s. citizen children. it is about family unity, a primary goal of our immigration system, a fundamental value of our country, and today, president biden, in the face of congressional inaction, took the action a leader takes. >> secretary, how soon will people be able to apply for this program? >> we intend to open the process up for applications toward the end of summer. we are moving very, very
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rapidly because of the monitoring and objective of this program and the cemetery and need for it. >> so, while you are focused on the unitarian need, trip advisor stephen miller called the today's action, "unconstitutional executive amnesty for illegal aliens." your response, secretary? >> i will drive right by that. there is very little, if anything, that stephen miller says with which i agree. he condemns immigrants, whether legally here or otherwise, and so many have contributed so significantly to the well-being of our country. in terms of local communities, our national economy. we need people who are willing to work hard, to serve on the front lines. like so many of the dreamers have done for so many years. they are a shining example of what is accomplished and what
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can be accomplished when we open our arms to those who have been here for so long and really know no country other than ours as their home. >> miller also said his group, america first legal, would challenge today's action in court. can you talk me through how in the crafting of this specific policy, the administration has anticipated such legal challenges? >> alesia, what we do before we take action is we study the long and ensure that the actions that we take are indeed lawful. that, we have done with respect to this action like we have done with all our prior actions. it is no surprise that stephen miller intends to attack this in the courts. we stand by it, not only in terms of its legality but in
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terms of its significant public benefit for america. >> "the new york times," wrote "today's new policy allows biden to balance his recent crackdown on asylum with a sweeping pro-immigrant measure. should these two executive actions be seen as separate or commentary? >> i think they reflect the presidents overarching approach, which is the fact that we can secure our border, as it is our responsibility to do, and we can take action to make them immigration system more fair and just. both can be done. both are not exclusive of one another. that is precisely the approach that president biden has taken from day one. it is on day one of his administration that he first presented congress with a comprehensive legislative proposal to fix what everyone agrees is a fundamentally broken immigration system. unfortunately, congress does not act. >> it seems notable to me that
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this parole in-place concept for spouses of u.s. citizens, it is not new. you have had a policy like this since about 2017 for you as members of the american military. you know what this looks like. you know how this works. similarly, i think it is interesting that there are efforts to actually build on daca. one of the part of the announcement today was the president making it easier for daca recipients to receive work visas. talk to me a little bit about how that is going to work. >> these are individuals, daca recipients , dreamers, more broadly, who have received a degree, a higher education degree, who qualifying for skilled labor in the united states, something which we need desperately and every chief executive officer around the country will say so. and, rather than have to have that blocked, we now have opened access to a benefit for
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which they qualify and made it available to them. here, again, we are matching an american need with an american opportunity. and that opportunity rests in the hands and qualities and talent of people who already have contributed so much. >> we will talk to one of those recipients, someone who is going to benefit from this program, in just a minute. before we go, president biden campaigned on making a safe, orderly, and humane immigration system. do you believe that has been accomplished? >> we work at that every single day, across the department of homeland security, across our administration, with our partners to the south and around the world. we have established more lawful, safe, and orderly pathways than any other administration and we are
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working every day to strengthen the security of our border. fundamentally, we are perennially underfunded and we are dealing with a broken immigration system, which is why a bipartisan group of senators came together, made compromises, and presented one of the most groundbreaking and important legislative proposals that we have seen in 30 years. and, it was, as you noted blocked. the president has taken and will continue to take action to do what congress has proven unable to do. >> homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas with us on a historic day. thank you so much, secretary, for your time . now i want to bring into the conversation a daca recipients who came to the u.s. at the age of 10 from sierra leone. he has since married an american citizen and serves as an assistant da in the philadelphia district attorney's office. thank you for being here. i have had trouble today expecting to people who are not
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immediately impacted by this or not a part of the immigrant rights movement what a big deal this really is. perhaps hearing from you about how you are feeling today, about what it felt like to be at the white house and to hear the president announce this major action would drive it home for folks. how are you feeling ? >> this was a life-changing opportunity for me, alesia. i have been living in this country, contributing to this country. all my life, all i have wanted to do is leave the part of the american dream. i purchased a home, my wife and i, we are raising our 10 month old son, and it is a dream come true knowing that i no longer have to leave the country and risk 10 years of facing a permanent bar just because of our outdated immigration
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system. it was a wonderful news to hear today at the white house. being there and seeing history made where families can be united and families do not have to risk separation just to be able to obtain legal status. >> i think a lot of people have this sense that if you are, regardless of the class of immigrant you are, if you are married to a u.s. citizen, you can just apply for american citizenship. that, of course, is not so. what is this going to mean practically for you, for your wife, for your baby ? >> absolutely, this will allow me to apply for parole in- place, which would allow me to adjust my status right away. a lot of my friends and family members always tell me hey, you know, you are married, you and your wife have been together for over a year, you must be a u.s. citizen, right? no, there's the law, as an attorney, the statute states you have to be polled or inspected into the then it states, it has been a tremendous barrier for a lot of families that have to risk going the 10 year bar route and some of our members have gotten stuck outside of the country, multiple families just like mine. this is a life-changing opportunity. >> spoken not just that someone who has been in a mixed status family but also a seasoned
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attorney. on this very heavy day, i hate to tell you what donald trump has been out there saying but i do want to get your response. he said in wisconsin tonight that today's action was a "direct attack on american democracy," and that if he's elected to a second term, the plan will be "ripped up and thrown out on his first day in office." as an attorney, as a noncitizen, your biggest concern about a potential second trump term? >> is one made with his peers, it is one of my greatest fears for my community, it is one of my greatest fear for my family members . many families who are married, like myself, to u.s. citizens, have strong ties. and, it is absolutely scary of a second trump term, the idea of being able to be ripped apart from my wife, be ripped apart from the community in philadelphia. i'm seeking justice for everyday american citizens. it is not a common sense
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approach to take. i would say to donald trump or anybody out there, this is already in place for us. being a spouse of a u.s. citizen, this current law that states we are allowed to adjust our status. however, this is just an impediment that the president has announced today, which will be taken out of the way to allow millions of families just like myself to be able to look at our children, look at our family members and stay here and contribute to the society and the economy without risking separation. this is about family unity. this is about families staying together. that is what it is and that is what the president did today. >> foday turay, i remember 12 years ago when daca came down. i was with a friend who had missed the cut off by a matter of months. and, there will be couples living in this country tonight who are excited for people like you, for their friends and family who qualify but pained that this wasn't more expansive. what do you say to them ?
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>> this is just the start. this is a big victory for us, for our community today and the fight continues. i say to family members, friends of mine that did not qualify for this the fight continues and we are going to take that fight as we move on and we are going to take the strides into the wind we've got in today and celebrate it. however, the next day, we wake up and we continue the fight, we continue the movement. >> foday turay at an assistant da in the philadelphia district attorney's office. he attended today's event. foday turay, thank you so much for being with us this evening. >> thank you for having me. republicans trying to put donald trump's name, or face, on everything, from airports to money, to coastal waters surrounding the united states. i kid you not. plus, senate democrats put republicans on the record as they oppose common sense gun reform. more on that, just ahead. ahea
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you said this week that he would support a bill banning bump stocks. >> most of us. i certainly have never even heard of a bump stock and this tragedy. however that gets fixed, i would probably support it. >> it makes it truly an automatic weapon. i'm willing to take that off the table. >> just to mention the issue of bump stocks. i am glad the president has a set of those should be regulated. >> those are republican senators in 2017 and 2018 supporting a ban on bump stocks, devices that effectively turn rifles and illegal machine guns. the push to ban the device is
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received broad bipartisan support after a shooter in las vegas used a bump stock to carry out the deadliest mass shooting in u.s. history. in response, then-president trump ordered the bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms and explosives to ban them. last week, the conservative majority on the u.s. supreme court struck down the trump era ban, ruling that any man had to come from congress. now republicans are blocking democrats efforts to pass the very bipartisan gun reform that both parties endorsed just six years ago. >> we need to pass my bill to ban bump stocks into it now. this is the same bipartisan bill i first introduced in 2018 in the aftermath of that shooting. >> is the objective ? >> i object. >> joining us now, new mexico democratic senator, the lead sponsor on this latest effort to ban bump stocks, senator
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martin heinrich, i wonder what explanation, if any, your republican colleagues have given you for why they have changed their position so dramatically on bump stocks ? >> if you don't mind, i could write at the top, i would just ask your viewers to keep my constituents in mind tonight. we had a fire started last night, a wildfire that is ravaging new mexico and i have thousands of constituents out of their homes right now and i would just ask everybody to keep them in their thoughts. the rationale doesn't make a lot of sense. it is basically that it is much more expansive than bump stocks . but, we have a number of these devices now that would be regulated by this bill, things like glock switches that just turn semiautomatic firearms and automatic weapons. that is not appropriate for the streets of this country. >> your colleague, tim scott was asked about whether he still supports this legislation. i want to play that for you, get your reaction on the other side. >> on bump stocks, which are
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now favor a congress acting to and bump stocks ? you said after the shooting in las vegas that if the vote came up, it would sail through congress. so, are you in favor of that van right now? >> well i am strongly in support of the second amendment. what are going to do when the party. >> i asked about the ban on bump stocks, not the second amendment. >> we are going to focus, we are going to focus, we are going to focus on the parodies of the american people. what the priorities of the american people are today is to focus on closing our southern border. >> that, sir, is what we call a hard pivot. there is, to me, so much telling him that if it. what do you make of that response ? >> well, i think that a lot of my colleagues are reticent to take on the gun lobby at all. i am a gun owner, i have been a gun owner almost my entire life. and, these things just do not belong in the hands of civilians. they are effectively, machine guns. we have lived in this country
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with a law against machine guns for almost 100 years. how this is, in any way different is beyond me. i think justice sonia sotomayor your, i said it in the dissent as well as anyone could, if something walks like a duck and swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, i am going to say it is a duck. these are machine guns, they have no place on our streets. >> republicans, as i'm sure you know, our calling as a messaging bill. they say asking for unanimous consent proves it is instant. are democrats going to move forward with a full floor vote on this, but every senator on the record on this issue ? >> i hope that the leader puts this on the floor. i think we should, you know, we should make sure the american people know where every one of us stands on such a common sense gun safety issue. >> so, speaking of where people stand on such a commonsense
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issue, a spokesperson for the trump campaign told nbc news that the supreme court, "should be respected." i wonder what it says to you that donald trump won't even defend his own policy on this. >> well, and i think, you know, what's clear is that donald trump picks and chooses when he respects a court. and, i think all of us should bear that in mind as we go into the 2024 election. >> i want to redo something. this is from "the new york times" about the nra support for trump's a bump stock action in 2018. they write, "the nra supported an atf review of bump stocks devices, seemingly breaking with its usual practice of fiercely opposing any new restrictions on legal access to firearms . the association's chief lobbyist, chris cox,
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later bragged that the organization's actions had succeeded in slowing down momentum for legislative reform." do you think the gun rights lobby was always banking on the idea that the supreme court was going to kill this? >> yes, i think there was this underlying strategy here, right? unfortunately, what it may take to overcome this is the same pattern we've seen before, where it takes a complete tragedy on a huge scale to get people to do what is common sense. >> striking down this bump stock rule, just the latest controversial decision from this court. recently president biden broke his silence about the supreme court at a democratic fundraiser, take a listen. >> the next president is likely to have two new supreme court nominees. two more. two more. he has already appointed two that have been very negative in terms of the rights of individuals. the idea that if he is reelected he's going to appoint two more client flags upside down is really, i really mean it. >> how do you set those stakes, senator, for voters? >> i think people need to understand that this supreme court can take away your freedoms and they have a
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history of, as they did in the dobbs decision, coming right for the very freedoms that many americans cherish the most. that is what is at stake in this election, is your freedom to choose, your freedom to vote, your freedom to feel safe in a movie theater or at your church. that is what is at stake in this election. >> democratic senator martin heinrich of new mexico, we will, as you suggested, keep your following statement in our thoughts. thank you for joining us this evening. we have some other sad breaking news to bring you tonight. legendary baseball player willie mays has passed away at the age of 93. the iconic centerfielder earned a reputation as one of the greatest baseball players of all time. willie mays began his career during the 1940s , hitting 660 home runs and twice winning the mvp with the san francisco giants.
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is over the shoulder catch in the 1954 world series is considered one of baseball's most celebrated defensive plays . the man known as the "say hey kid," would come to define the game of baseball for generations. willie mays, 93 years old. still to come tonight, how do republicans curry favor with the guy who likes to see his name on things? you know, i get something to put his name, and his face, on everything from airports to u.s. currency. that is coming up. joe biden's reelection chances depend on a handful of swing states, like nevada. could democratic moves on immigration and gun safety move the needle? that is next. at is next. is offering a free inspection, on your schedule. leaffilter is a permanent gutter solution, so you never have to worry about costly damage from clogged gutters again. call us today and schedule your free inspection.
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we must nevadans that day, 60 people were killed in the largest mass shooting in american history. families were torn apart. for us, the carnage created by bump stocks is very real . shame on anyone who says it is a fake problem. >> that was nevada senator jacky rosen responding to her republican colleague, j.d. vance of ohio, calling efforts by democrats to anna bump stocks, "legislating in a way that solves fake problems." senator jacky rosen pointing out nevadans that republicans are blocking what should be a no-brainer in terms of policy,
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could have a political impact in november . in a state democratic victory is by no means certain. also today, a policy move and political ginger for the state of nevada centers on immigration. resident biden's executive action to give legal protection to the undocumented spouses of u.s. citizens. it is a move that will impact the lives of hundreds of thousands of people, including nevada voters who live in so- called "mixed status" results. joining now, john ralston, editor of "the nevada independent." john, thank you for being with us. we know that immigration action is absolutely monument for the impacted families. your sense of how it plays in a battleground state like nevada. >> i think the democrats must think, alicia, that this is a good way to try to energize the hispanic vote here, which has been essential to the democrats winning the presidential race every cycle since 2008. they are concerned, as other states democrats are, that the hispanics are moving away from them for a variety of reasons. so, i am sure where daca has
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been a big issue, where the late harry reid made daca a big issue here, that this will be an energizing event. however, the counterargument to that is that it is only june 18th , that hispanics here are also worried about the economy and that i take precedent. but, they are certainly going to try and use this to help their electoral lens. >> it did seem in some of the reporting that if this is the b
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u.s. currency can only feature portraits of deceased individuals. eased individuals. point. if renaming an airport or putting trumps face on u.s. currency strikes you as a little over-the-top, last week, florida republican essentially looked at those efforts and said, hold my beer. to introduce legislation that would rename all u.s. coastal waters, all u.s. coastal waters, after trump. the bill would rename the nearly 4 million square miles of the u.s. exclusive economic zone to the donald john trump exclusive economic zone. and as a cherry on top, the bill was introduced on trump's 70th birthday. almost like a little gift. the competition in the republic party to win donald trump's
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>> and, you know, i love milwaukee. i was the one that picked milwaukee, i have to tell you. i was the one that picked it,
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these lying people that say, he doesn't like milwaukee, i love milwaukee. i said you've got to fix the crime, we all know that. you've got to make sure the elections honest, but i'm the one that picked milwaukee, and the democrats or the radical left lunatics, as i call them, what they say is so terrible. they lie, lie, lie. >> that was for president trump earlier this evening in wisconsin, pushing back on reporting that he called milwaukee a horrible city. milwaukee just so happens to be the location of this year's republican national convention, taking place less than a month from now. also new tonight, a law enforcement source confirms to nbc news that there were talks between local law enforcement and secret service about security measures around trump staying 90 miles away at trump tower in chicago during the convention. but after being pressed by news outlets, the former president changed his plans, booking a hotel in milwaukee to avoid another perceived slight against the badger state.
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the stakes are high for trump and biden in wisconsin. in 2020 the race was decided by only about 20,000 votes. 20 me now, stuart stevens, former chief strategist for the romney 2012 campaign and an adviser for the lincoln project. the biden campaign, they've already released a statement on the hotel controversy writing, of course donald trump doesn't want to stay in milwaukee, he thinks it's a horrible city. we don't want him here either, wisconsinites rejected him four years ago and we will again this november. how bad are these faux pas's by the trump campaign? >> well, look, the problem the trump campaign has is a problem publican party have. what is your positive message? i don't hate milwaukee, what i said the other day wasn't true? this is not a compelling national message to run on. there is no policy here, what is the bargain that the trump campaign is trying to strike with the american public, that you vote for me and you get, what?
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and i've been involved in five presidential campaigns, i've never seen one that lacked any semblance of policy or agenda other than this donald trump is mad at the world and he'll still be mad if he gets elected, he was mad on inaugural day in 21. and, when he was elected in 16, he was mad. the only person that gave the inaugural address in a bad mood. but i think it's this hollowness in the entire republican party. >> i agree with you and i'm a policy nerd, so i am partial to a campaign that is actually run on policy. at the same time, part of the appeal is that you can project whatever it is you want onto that blank canvas, because they are not leading with policy, and in a state like wisconsin, the stakes are high. 2020, the race was decided by tens of thousands of votes. your sense of what's going to make a difference in those swing states.
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>> look, first of all these polls that show republicans doing better with african americans getting 15 to 20% of african americans, all my life i have worked republican campaigns, i have seen this phenomenon. i can't tell you how many times i saw polls, really good pollsters, close to election showed us getting 15 to 20% of the black vote, but i can tell you how many times it happened, and that was never. i used to make pollsters figure in that we're really only going to get eight or 9%, and that would prove to be accurate. i think the trump campaign is in this slow process of losing ground. they've never really addressed this issue that he's a convicted felon, and there's something about it that's disturbing to people. say what you will, i'm going to vote for donald trump, but do
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you really want to vote for a convicted felon? i think that question is going to become increasingly difficult to get answered in small towns in wisconsin. >> i just want to enter into this conversation, this idea that you have folks who have trump amnesia, they talk about four years ago without really remembering what life was like or what the economy was like four years ago. one visit that trump wishes wisconsinites don't remember it is 2018 visit, the groundbreaking of a new tech facility complete with golden shovels that trump promised would be the eighth wonder of the world. that project eventually significantly scaled back, the biden campaign rapid response team made some effort ahead of trump's rally today to remind voters of that failed project. a lot of this feels, a lot of the mechanics of this campaign feels like getting past everything that folks have apparently forgotten about what his presidency actually looked like. >> all former presidents tend to do better once they leave office. i think there's some of that was donald trump, here.
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i think that becomes less so when the choice gets tighter, when you're looking at him not as a former president but as a potential president. they talk about how terrible things are in the country, i'm not sure what's really the things disturbing the most the fact that the stock markets are at record highs, or unemployment is at record lows. i really don't think this is going to work, this idea that we're going to forget covid, that we're going to forget the donald trump is the only president since herbert hoover to leave office with fewer jobs than when he took office. that's just an abysmal record. that he was impeached twice, that he instigated a riot and try to overturn the government of the united states. >> so when people forget, you remind them of all of these truths and greatest hits. stuart stevens, thank you so much for your time and for being with us. that is our show for tonight, now it is time for the last word

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