that is what trump tower is like without the cameras. absolutely. >> he just wants to go back in time. was it a mistake? does he regret he became president? >> he said he would never run for president if it was never the apprentice. he would not say out loud he regrets it but he missed being on the apprentice. it is clear. this is what he wants to do. >> can we get him a show. the book is called apprentice in wonderland out today. thank you for your time. that's all in. alex wagner starts right now. . now with alicia in for alex. 12 years ago then president obama signed one of the most important executive actions of his presidency, one that would

change hundreds of thousands it provided temporary protection from deportation for young people undocumented, young people who came to the united states as children, often brought by their parents or loved ones they grew up in this country attending school and places of worship many without any knowledge of their legal status until years down the line, often finding out when they applied for a driver's license or applied to college or a job. for all intents and purposes, they are american, woven into the fabric of this country, which is why 12 years ago president obama took action. >> imagine you've done everything right you're entire life, studied hard, worked hard, maybe even graduate at the top of your class only to sunnily face the threat of deportation

to a country that you know nothing about, with a language that you may not only speak. i will not give up on this issue not only because it's the right thing to do for our economy and ceos agree with me, fanot just because it's the right thing to do for our security, but because it's the right thing to do and i believe eventually enough republicans in congress will come around to that view as well. >> they did t not. in the end president obama was unable tore pass comprehensive immigration prreform despite a bipartisan deal being reached with 60ea votes in the senate t provide a pathway to citizenship, republicans in the houseti blocked it. in 2016 republicans nominated donald trump who on6 the campan trail made attacking immigrants part of his platform. as parthi of that effort trump planned to role back all his achievements including daca. >> we have to make a whole new set of standards. and when people come in --

>> you'repl going to split up families. you're going s to deport childr. >> chuck, no, no, we're going to keep the families together. >> but keep them out. >> they have to go. >> what they have no place to go? >> we will work with them. they have to go. >> when trump was elected he made good at least one of those practices. in 2017 the trump administration tried today rescind daca. but the action was swift. in the meantime the trump administration moved forward with other plans, an immigration and border strategy that was as abhorrent was it was inhumane. at least 5,000 families forcibly separated, children torn away from their parents all as a result of trump's zero-tolerance policy. the impact of trump's border policy so vast that nearly 1,000 children remain to this day separated from their families. in june 2020 a few months before the presidential election, the

united states supreme court trump could not proceed with his plan to end daca. it was a huge victory. daca was temporarily saved. president biden came into office determined to turn the page on trump's divisive immigration policies and find a legislative solution. earlier this year a groupsl of senatorsgr released a bipartisa agreement on tougher immigration and asylum laws. yet another attempt at immigration r reform in congres looked like it might pass and former president trump torpedoed it. and today he announced the most significant immigration policy change since obama unveiled daca 12 years ago. president biden using his executive powers to keep american families together. biden's executive action today grants far-reaching protections

to the undocumented spouses of americanen citizens, a move tha would shield an estimated 500,000 people from deportation. in orderm to qualify noncitize must have been living in the u.s.iv for at least ten years a be married to a u.s. citizen. they also cannot have a criminal record. biden's actions today would alsa provide opportunities for work eventually residency and citizenship down the road. it is an example, a shining example of the government taking direct action to stay true to the coreta values of this count, to fix problems affecting american families. >> these couples have been raising families, sending their kids to church and school, payingch taxes, contributing to our country for ten years or more. as a matter of fact, the average time theyac spend here is 23 years. but living in the united states all this time through fear and uncertainty, we can fix that. and that's what i'm going to do

today, fix it. >> joining us now one of the peopleno you see there over the president's shoulder, homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas. mr. secretary, thank you for being with us on this historic day. obviously welcome news for a lot of americanwe families. walk us through how this policy's going to work. >> alicia, thanks so much for having me. good evening. this is all about family unity, keeping families together. a united states citizen' spouls whose wife or husband is undocumented and has been in thisun country for ten years or more, that undocumented spouse may now have a path to a green card, to lawful permanent residence without having to do what they once did, which is leave the country and apply for that benefit without any

assurance of when precisely they'll be able to return. now they canto apply by staying together with their spouse, their u.s. citizen spouse and also so very often their childrenry including u.s. citiz children. it's about family unity, a primary goal of our immigration system, a fundamental value of our country. and today president biden in the face of congressional inaction took the action a leader takes. >> secretary mayorkas, how soon will people be able to apply for this program? >> we intend to open the process up for applications towards the end of summer. we are moving very, very rapidly because of the humanitarian objective of this program and the ofhumanitarian need for it. >> trump advisor steven miller called today's action, quote,

unconstitutional executive amnesty for illegal aliens. your response, secretary. >> i'll drive right by that. there is veryt. little, if anything, that steven miller says with which i agree. he condemns immigrants whether legally here or otherwise. and so many have contributed so significantly to the well-being of oursi country. in terms of our local communities, our national economy. we need people who areun willin toho work hard to serve on the front lines like so many of the dreamers have done for so many years. they'rersne a shining example o what is accomplished and what can be accomplished when we opea our arms to those who have been here for so long and who really know no country other than ours as their own. >> miller said his group would

challenge the action in court. can you talk me how through the crafting ofho this strategy, th administration has anticipated suchmi legal challenges. >> alicia, what we do before we take action is we study the law and ensure that the actions we take are indeed lawful, that we have done with respect to this actionct like we have done with all our prior actions. we standby not only in terms of its legality but it's significant public benefit forg america. >> "the new york times" wrote today,er quote, today's new poly allows mr. biden to balance his recent crack down on asylum with sweeping measures. should these executive actions be seen as separate or as complementary? >> i think they reflect the president's overarching approach, which is the fact that

we can secure our border as it is our responsibility to do, and we can take action to make the immigration system more fair and just. both can be done. both are not exclusive of one another, and that is precisely the approach that president biden has taken from day one. and it is on day one of his administration that he first presented congress with a comprehensive legislative proposal to fix what everyon agrees is a fundamentally broken immigration system. unfortunately congress does not act. >> it seemsun notable to me thi parole in place concept for spouses of u.s. citizens is not new. you've had ati policy like this since 2017 for u.s. members of the american military. similarly it's interesting their efforts to build on daca, one of the parts of the announcement is

the president additionally making it easier for daca recipients to receive work visas. talk to me a little bit about how that's going to work. >> these are individuals, daca recipients, dreamers more broadly who have received a degree, a higher education degree, who qualify for skilled labor in the united states, something which we need desperately, and every chief executive officer around the country will say so. and rather than have to have that blocked, we now have opened access to a benefit for which they qualify and made it available to them. here again we are matching an american need with an american opportunity, and that opportunity rests on the hands

and qualities and talent of people who already have contributed so much. >> we're going to talk to one oe those recipients, someone who's going tore benefit from this program in just a minute.t but before we go, president biden he campaigned on making a safe, orderly, and humane immigration system. do you believe that that has been accomplished? >> we work at that every single day across the department of homeland security, across our administration, with our partners to the southti and arod the world. we have established more lawful, safe, and orderly pathways than any other administration, and we are working every day to strengthen the security of our border. fundamentally we are perennially underfunded, and we are dealing with a broken immigration system, which is why a bipartisan group of senators came together, made compromises, and presented one of the most groundbreaking and important

legislative proposals that we've seen in 30 years. i and it was as you noted blocked, and so the president has taken and willde continue to take actn to do what congress has proven unable to do as leadership. >> homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas with us on a historic day. thank you so much for your time. >> thankyo you, alicia. >> now, i want to bring into this conversation a daca recipient who came to the u.s. at theca age of 10 from sierra leone. he's since married an american citizen and serves as assistant d.a. in the district attorney's office. i've a had trouble today expressing to people who are not immediately impacted by this, who are not a part of the immigrants right movement what abfd this really is. perhaps hearing from you about how you arear feeling today, abt what it felt like to be at the white house and hear the president announce this major

action will really drive it home for folks. feeling? >>yo this was a life changing opportunity for me, alicia. you know, i've been living in this country, contributing to this country. and all my life all i've wanted to do is live the part of the americanpa dream. i've purchased a home. my wife and i we're raising our 10 month old son, and it's just a dream come true knowing that i no longer have to leave the country and risk ten years of facing a permanent bar just because of an outdated immigration system. and it was just wonderful news to hearfu today at the white house. andr he being there and seeing history made where families can be reunited and families don't havefa to risk separation just be able to obtain legal status. >> because today i think a lot of people have this sense if you are -- regardless of the class ofof immigrant you are, if you e married to a u.s. citizen, you could just easy peasy apply for american citizenship. that of course is not so. what is thisno going to mean

practically for you, for your wife and your baby? >> y absolutely. this is going to allow me to apply for parole in place, which would allow me to adjust my status right away. a lot of my friends and family tell me you're married, you've been together over a year, you must t be a u.s. citizen, right? no. as an attorney the statute states you must be aparoled or inspected into the united states, which has been a tremendous barrier for a lot of family whose have to risk going the ten-year bar route, and some of our members have gotten stuck outside the country, multiple families like mine. >> spoken like someone who's not just been in a mixed status family but a m seasoned attorne. i hate on this very happy day ta tell you what donald trump has been out there saying, but i do want to get your response.ur he said in wisconsin tonight that today's action was, quote, a direct attack on american democracy and that if he is

elected to a second term the plan will be ripped up and thrown out as an attorney. your biggest concern about a second trump term? >> it'snd one of my greatest fears. it's one of my greatest fears for my community and family members. many have strong ties and it's absolutely scary a second trump term, the idea of being ripped apart from my wife and my community in philly and seeking justice for every day american u.s. citizen. it's just not the common approach to take. i'd say to donald trump or anybody out there, this is already in place for us. being the spouse of a u.s. citizen this current law states we can allown to be able to adjust our status. however, thisur is just an impediment that the president has announced today, which will beun taken out of the way to alw

millions of families just like myself to be able to look at oul children, look at our family members and stay here and contribute to the society and economy without risking separation. this is about family unity. this is about families staying together. that's what it is, andt that's what the president did today. >>de i've got about 30 seconds left, but i remember 12 years ago when daca came down, i was with a friend who had missed th cut off by a matter of months. and there'll be couples living in this country tonight excited for people like you, for friends and family who qualified but pained this wasn't more expansive. what do you say to them? >> this is just the start. this is big victory for us, for our community today, and the fight continues. i say to family members, friends of mine who did not qualify for this, the fight continues, and we're going to take that fight asg we move on, and we're goin to take the strides and wins we'vee gotten today and celebre it however the next day we wake up and continue this fight, we continue this movement.

>> foray turday he's an assistant attorney in the district attorney's office. thank you for being with us this evening. >> thank you for having me. we have lots to get to tonight. republicans trying to put donald trump's name or face on everything from airports to coastal waters surrounding the united states. i kid you not. plus senate democrats put republicans on the record as theyec oppose common sense gun reform. more on that just ahead. se gun reform more on that just ahead.

you said this week that you would support a bill banning bump stocks. >> most of us actually never heard of this bump stock until this tragedy. however that gets fixed i'd probably support. >> ban on bump stocks, the bump stock makes it truly an automatic weapon. i'll womening to take that off the table. >> just to mention the issue of bump stocks, i'm glad the president has said those should be regulated. >> those are republican senators in 2017 and 2018 supporting a ban on bump stocks, devices that effectively turn rifles into machine guns. the push received bipartisan support after a shooter in las vegas used a bump stock to carry out the deadliest mass shooting in u.s. history. in response then president trump ordered the department of alcohol, tobacco and explosive to ban them.

but last week the conservative majority on the u.s. supreme court struck down that trump era ban, ruling that any ban had to come from congress. now republicans are blocking democrats effort to pass the very bipartisan gun reform that both parties endorsed just six years ago. >> we need to pass my bill to ban bump stocks and do it now. this is the same bipartisan bill that i first introduced in 2018 in the aftermath of that shooting. >> is there objection? >> i object. >> joining us now new mexico democratic senator martin heinrich. i wonder what explanation if any your republican colleagues have given you why they changed their position on bump stocks? >> alicia, if you don't mind right at the top i would ask your viewers to keep my

constituents in mind tonight. we had a wildfire start last night ravaging new mexico. and i have constituents out of their home right now and i would ask them to keep everyone in their thoughts. the rationale doesn't make a lot of sense. it's much more expansive than bump stocks, but we have a number of these devices now that would be regulated by this, things like glaucswitches as well that just turn semiautomatic firearms into automatic weapons, and that's not appropriate for the streets of this country. >> your colleague, tim scott, was asked about whether he still supports this legislation. i want to play that for you, get your reaction on the other side. >> on bump stocks would you now favor a congress acting to ban bump stocks? you had said after that shooting in las vegas if the vote came up, it would sail through congress, so are you in favor of that ban right now? >> well, i'm strongly in support of the second amendment, but

what we're going to do in the party -- >> i asked about the ban on the bump stocks not the second amendment. >> we're going to focus on the priorities of the american people, and what the priorities of the american people are today is to focus on closing our southern border. >> and that, sir, is what we call a hard pivot. but there is to me so much telling in that pivot. what do you make of that response? >> well, i think that a lot of my colleagues are really reticent to take on the gun lobby at all. i'm a gun owner. i've been a gun owner almost my entire life, and these things just do not belong in the hands of civilians. they are effectively machine guns. we have lived in this country with a law against machine guns for almost a hundred years. how this is in any way different is beyond me. and i think justice sotomayor said it in the dissent as well

as anyone could. if something walks like a duck and quacks like a duck i'm going to say it's a duck. these are machine guns. they have no placen our streets. >> the republicans are calling this a messaging bill and say asking for unanimous consent proves it's a stunt. they are going to put every senator on the record on this issue? >> i hope that the leader puts this on the floor. i think we should -- you know, we should make sure that the american people know where everyone of us stands on such a common sense gun safety issue. >> so speaking of where people stand on such a common sense issue, a spokesperson for the trump campaign told nbc news that the supreme court's ruling, quote, should be respected. i just wonder what it says to you that donald trump will even defend his own policy on this. >> i think what's clear is donald trump picks and chooses when he respects the court, and i think all of us should bear

that in mind as we go into the 2024 election. >> i want to read you something. this is from "the new york times" about the nra's support for trump's bump stock action back in 2018. they write, quote, the nra supported a review of bump stock devices, seemingly breaking with its usual practices of fiercely breaking with restrictions an access to firearms. the association's lobbyist chris cox, later bragged the organization's actions had succeeded in slowing down momentum for legislative reform. do you think the gun rights lobby was sort of always banking on the idea that the supreme court was going to kill this? >> yeah, i think there was this underlying strategy here, right? and unfortunately what it may take to overcome this is the same pattern we've seen before where it takes a complete tragedy on a huge scale to get people to do what is common sense. >> striking down this bump stock rule, of course, just the latest

controversial decision from this court. recently president biden he broke his silence about the supreme court at a democratic fund-raiser. take a listen. >> the next president is likely to have two new supreme court nominees, two more. two more. he's already appointed that have been very negative in terms of the rights of individuals. the idea if he's re-elected he's going to appoint two more flags upside down is really -- i really mean it. >> how do you set those stakes, senator, for voters? >> well, i think people need to understand that this supreme court can take away your freedoms, and they have a history of -- as they did in the dobbs decision, coming right for the very freedoms that many americans cherish the most, and that's what's at stake in this election is -- is your freedom to choose, your freedom to vote, your freedom to feel safe in a

movie theater or at your church. that's what's at stake in this election. >> democratic senator martin of new mexico, we will as you suggested keep your fellow statesman in our thoughts. thank you for joining us this morning. we have other sad breaking news tonight. legendary baseball player willie mays as passed away at the age of 93. he began in 1940s before hitting 664 home runs and twice winning mvp with the giants. his catch in the 1950 world series is considered one of baseball's most celebrated defensive plays. the man known as the say hey kid would come to define one of the best generations. still to come tonight how do republicans curry favor with a guy who likes to see his name on

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60 people were killed in the largest mass shooting in american history. families were torn apart. for us the carnage created by bump stocks is very real, so shame on anyone who says it's a fake problem. >> that was nevada senator jackie rosen responding today to her republican colleague, j.d. vance of ohio, calling efforts by democrats to ban bump stocks, quote, legislating in a way that solves fake problems. senator rosen pointing out to nevadans that republicans are blocking what should be a no-brainer in terms of policy, could have a political impact in november in a state where democratic victory is by no means uncertain. also today another policy move slash political game changer for the state of nevada centers on immigration. president biden's executive action to give legal protection to the undocumented spouses of u.s. citizens, it is a move that will impact the lives of hundreds of thousands of people

including nevada voters who live in so-called mixed status households. joining me now john rollston, ceo and editor of the nevada independent. john, thank you so much for being with us. we know this liberation action absolutely monumental for the impact of families. your sense how it plays in a battleground state like nevada. >> well, i think the democrats must think, alicia, this is a good way to try to energize the hispanic vote here, which has been essential to the democrats winning the presidential race every cycle since 2008. they're concerned as other states democrats are that hispanics are moving away from them for a variety of reasons. and so i am sure where daca has been a big issue, where the late harry reid made daca a big issue here, that this will be a big energizing event. however, the counter argument to that it's only june 18th, that

hispanics here are also worried about the economy, and that will take precedence. but they're certainly going to try to use this to help their electoral lens. >> some of the reporting is this is done in advance of the debate, that we'll be hearing more about this at the debate, so interesting to see how much both candidates lean into this. i also want to get your reaction to the senate failing to advance legislation to ban bump stocks today. do you think republicans pay a political price for that? >> well, really it's kind of surprising. and jackie rosen from nevada who's up for re-election this year you showed a little bit earlier, is not a person known for getting very emotional or upset. i think that was real. you never know with a politician of course, alicia, but i think that was real. she was really upset with j.d. vance who ridiculously called it a fake problem. it's not a fake problem if you go back to the october 1

shooting here, which was a searing experience for this community, and the carnage was much greater because of that bump stock. now, again, it's early in the cycle, relatively, only june 18th. but you can be sure this is going to keep coming up because people here remember this shooting. there's anniversary, you know, remembrance every october 1st here. and people know what a bump stock is because of what happened in 2017. and if i may, and you alluded to this earlier with the senator, what's most incredible about this is that this was a trump idea to ban these devices, and republican senators were onboard. and now suddenly after a supreme court decision that, by the way, was not a second amendment case but essentially the supreme court saying the atf overstepped its bounds, suddenly trump and these republican senators are

what bump stock ban? we're not in support of that. could it become an issue, i think it could. but i think it's still pretty early. >> john, no one knows nevada as you do, and i'm sure it's annoying when people like me parachute in for a long weekend and talk to nevada voters and try to have a theory of the case, but the thing i was struck by when i spent time in your great state during the mid-terms was, one, that polling is notoriously difficult in your state especially this far-out. you really can't start looking at them until you get closer to the race, and for all the dynamics at play and i agree with you the economy top of mind for a lot of voters. it really comes to bear when you were in the parking lot of a grocery store because you start to realize people are not shopping for a full week. people are coming out with one carton of eggs, one retisry chicken because they can't afford to do the full shop as i heard in the past. one thing became the access i heard for nevada voters, which is they're feeling republicans had simply come to an extreme,

that the extremism was what was turning them off. and there were, again, a lot of other things in the either. but as you got right up to election day, that seemed to be the deciding factor for a lot of folks. >> i think that's absolutely right. and before i go more into my answer, i just want to say i don't mind national parachutists -- which you are are an a-plus on tonight, alicia, and we appreciate that very much. to the seriousness of your question, one of the reasons adam, a candidate for u.s. senate lost was because he was both painted as and actually is very extreme on a variety of issues. and so i think they are going to do the same thing in jackie rosen's race with sam brown, and national democrats and democrats here will try to do the same thing to donald trump. the one of the reasons that we now have a republican governor

is that joe lombardo was not extreme and managed to essentially thread the needle and go down the middle on some issues. and so i think that the same dynamic will exist whereby sometimes. but it's in the execution of the campaign and whether the messaging gets through to voters, resonates with voters or not. >> john ralston, thank you for assessing dwrm a gold star front row hand out kid, and i very much appreciate being told i got an a-plus. thank you so much for being with us tonight. >> you bet. coming up, the apparent competition between republican lawmakers to see who can kiss up to donald trump the most. it is beginning to get very strange. i'm going to explain after this break. s break. only purple's gel flex grid passes the raw egg test.

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good-bye dulles international airport, hello trump international airport. a group of senators none of them from virginia are calling to change the name. >> it almost seems like an a late april fool's day prank. on april 2nd a group of republicans introduced a bill to name the dulles airport in virginia to the donald j. trump international airport with democrats in control in the senate and president biden in the white house the reality is that the bill was dead on arrival, but one person seemed to really like the bill anyway. that week trump posted about the renaming effort incessantly on

social media saying it would be such a great honor. and after four more republicans added their name to the effort despite, again, no real chance it could ever pass. there seems to be a republican competition to be trump's biggest sycophant. and as we approach the election, that competition, well, it is intensifying. earlier this month arizona republican congressman paul gosar upped the ante. he introduced a bill that would force the u.s. treasury to print a bill with trump's face on it. even if he could somehow get the votes to pass this bill, currency with trump's face on it would actually be illegal. there is a more than 150-year-old law on the books saying that u.s. currency can only feature portraits of deceased individuals to avoid, quote, the appearance of a monarchy. that, apparently, not a concern of gosar's. in fact, maybe the appearance of a monarchy is the point.

now, if renaming an airport or putting trump's face on u.s. currency strikes you as a little over the top, last week florida republican glen steube looked at legislation that would rename all u.s. coastal waters -- all u.s. coastal waters after trump. the trump would rename nearly 4 million square miles of the exclusive economic zone to the donald john trump exclusive economic zone. and as a cherry on top the bill was introduced on trump's 78th birthday, almost like a little gift. the competition in the republican party to win donald trump's love and affection, it is intense. but nowhere is it more extreme than the short listers competing for trump's spot as vice president. we're going to get into that and trump's visit to wisconsin today after the break.

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and you know, i love milwaukee. i was the one that picked milwaukee, i have to tell you. i was the one that picked it. these lying people they say, oh, he doesn't like milwaukee. i love milwaukee. i said you got to fix the crime. we all know that. you've got to make sure the election is honest, but i'm the one that picked milwaukee and the democrats or the radical left lunatics as i call them, what they say is we're just so terrible. they lie, lie, lie.

>> that was former president trump earlier this evening in wisconsin pushing back on reporting that he called milwaukee a, quote, horrible city. milwaukee just so happens to be the location of this year's republican national convention taking place less than a month from now. also new tonight a law enforcement source confirms to nbc news that were talks between local law enforcement and secret service about security measures around trump staying 90 miles away at trump tower in chicago during a convention. after the former president change his plans. the stakes are high for trump and biden in wisconsin. in 2020 the race was decided by only about 20,000 votes. joining me now stewart stevens, former chief strategist for the romney 2010 campaign and an advisor -- the biden campaign released a statement writing of

course donald trump doesn't want to stay in milwaukee. he thinks it's a horrible city. we don't want him here either. wisconsinites rejected him. just how bad are these fauxba by the trump campaign? >> no good. what is your policy message? i don't hate milwaukee or what i said the other day wasn't true? this is not a compelling national message to run on. there's no policy here. i mean what is the bargain that the trump campaign is trying to strike with the american public that you vote for me and you get what? and i have been on presidential campaigns. i've never seen one that lacked any semblance of policy or agenda other than this sort of donald trump is mad at the world and will still be mad if he gets elected.

he was mad on inaugural day in '21, and when he was elected in '16 he was mad. the only person that gave a inaugural address in a bad mood. >> i agree with you and i'm a policy nerd, so i'm partial to a campaign that is actually run on policy. and at the same time i think part of the appeal there is that you can project whatever it is you want onto that blank canvas because they are not leading with policy. and in a state like wisconsin the stakes are high. i mean 2020 the race was decided by tens of thousands of votes. your sense of what's going to make a difference in those swing states. >> well, look, i think, first of all, these polls that show republicans doing better with african americans, getting, you know, 15 to 20% of african americans, all my life i've worked in republican campaigns, i've seen this phenomenon.

i can't tell you how many times i saw really good polls close to an election getting 15% to 20% of the black vote, but i can tell you how many times that happened and that was never. i used to make pollsters figure in a model that would get 8% or 5%, and that would prove to be accurate. i think the trump campaign is in this sort of slow process of losing ground. they never really addressed this issue that he's a convicted felon, and i think there's something about it that's disturbing to people. i mean say what you will i'm going to vote for donald trump, but do you really want to vote for a convicted felon? and i think that question is going to become increasingly difficult to get answers like in small towns in wisconsin. >> i just want to enter into this conversation with this idea you have folks who have trump amnesia, right? they talk about four years ago without really remembering what life was like or the economy was

like four years ago. one visit to a scene trump probably wishes wisconsinites don't remember the groundbreaking of a new tech facility complete with golden shovels trum promised would be the eighth wonder of the world. that project significantly scaled back, but the biden campaign rapid response team made some efforts ahead of trump's rally today to remind voters of that failed project. a lot of the mechanics of this campaign feels like getting past everything folks have apparently forgotten about what his presidency actually looked like. >> yeah, you know, all former presidents tend to do better once they leave office, and i think there's some of that with donald trump here. i think that becomes less so when the choice gets tighter, when you're looking at him not as a former president but looking at him as a potential president. they talk about how terrible things are in the country. i'm not sure what's really the thing disturbing him the most,

the fact the stock markets are at record highs or unemployment is at record lows. i really don't think this is going to work, this idea we're going to forget covid, that we're going to forget donald trump is the only president since herbert hoover to leave office with fewer jobs than when he took office. that's just an abysmal record. he's impeached twice, he instigated a riot to try to overturn the governor of the united states. >> when people forget you remind them all these greatest truths. stuart stevens, thank you for your time. that is our show for tonight. "way too early" is coming up next. a live look at washington, d.c. on this juneteenth, the federal holiday that commemorates the end of slavery here in the united states. we'll go through the historical and political significance of this day. and it comes as the country is remembering a