president biden signed a pretty tough measure at the border and then yesterday some relief for recipients -- the families of daca recipients. white house aides telling me this was indeed a bit of a nod to the left to try to show, hey, we're not endorsing trump-era policies. republicans were winning on this issue for a few months. where do you think this ends up? >> yeah. the republicans have given the president every opportunity to take the high ground and take back this issue which republicans have dominated forever, particularly by shooting down the bipartisan bill through the senate. you know, president has made efforts to try to take advantage of that, made a big point of it in the state of the union, and they had another showboat recently, but republicans are still winning on the shintaro ishihara u. it feels a bit like the president is twisting on the wind on this issue. i have a hard time believing he would have taken this legalization action yesterday had he not angered the left so much, angering the left by

trying to appease other people. they tried to present it as him being, you know, a bold leader on this issue. i think in reality he knows that he's losing and donald trump is setting the tone on this issue, and i don't see that changing any time soon. >> we'll certainly watch the fallout in the weeks and months ahead. msnbc political analyst brendan buck, thank you as always. thanks to all of you for getting up "way too early" on this wednesday morning. "morning joe" starts right now. right now millions of americans are getting blasted by a heat wave. when you show the weather app it shows the middle finger emoji. >> so hat in maine the lobsters will be getting in pots just to cool down. [ applause ] it's so hot in new york this week the rats are wearing crop tops. [ laughter ] it is so hot in south dakota,

kristi noem's dog -- >> good morning. welcome to "morning joe." it's a very -- going to be a very hot wednesday, june 19th. jooernt. we'll bring in the former communications director, jen palmieri and host of msnbc politics nation reverend al sharpton, and professor at princeton university. let's talk about today and juneteenth and why it's so important, rev. >> it's very important. juneteenth is really a celebration but also a reminder that after abraham lincoln had signed the emancipation proclamation in 1816 those in texas were not even aware they

were freed until june 19, 1865, for two and a half years. slaves continued to work as slaves in texas until the union army came in and made it clear they were free and enforced it. the reason i think it's so important, joe, today is the issues in this election for people like me is around states' rights where you have states -- i was in florida last night trying to ban books, trying to stop women's right to choose. it's an issue still alive, states' rights guns the union, the federal government protecting women, protecting blacks and protecting history studies and other things and the ability to communicate. you when you get your news from the wrong source you can be freed and don't even know it. >> yeah. eddie glaud, it's one more striking reminder that even when

progress is made, we have to keep striving to enforce those laws, keep striving to move towards a more perfect union. >> absolutely, joe. just to echo what rev just said. freedom is not an end. it's not something that happens and we can clean our hands and move forward. freedom is a practice. we have to constantly defend it in our lived relationships with each other, and juneteenth remains us of this. i want to be very, very clear. juneteenth is not just a holiday for block folk. it's a national holiday for the nation to really understand its journey on, you know, in relation to this very, very investigated question of what do we mean by our commitment to freedom, joe, and we're still grappling with that question today. >> right. still grappling with it and will for a very long time. the goal is to be moving in the right direction, and that's a lot about what the next six months is about.

let's talk about off the top but what we heard which is, i mean, it is hot. it is -- it is hot across the northeast. there are record temperatures across a lot of the country. it's led to officials to declare emergencies as the heat index is soaring over 100 degrees from texas, yes, to maine. a heat dump continues to hover over the midwest and east coast. about 150 million people experienced temperatures of 90 degrees yesterday and more than 100 record highs will be possible today through saturday. even nighttime lows could bring records for heat. there also might be no end in sight. according to forecasters, most of the country is expected to see higher than usual temperatures for at least the next three it four weeks, and this should come as no surprise. according to nasa, the last ten years have been the hottest on record.

jim palmieri, i -- i'm just sorry. i don't know where climate deniers go. i'm not talking about the forecast this week. i'm not talking about next week. i'm talking about what's happened over the past 20 years. one record after another record after another record is broken, and over the last ten years, in all of the years recorded for heat, the last ten years have been the ten hottest. so if you go back 150 years or however long we've actually been recording temperatures, numbers one through ten are the last ten years, and it just keeps getting worse. >> it's not just the heat. it's the extreme weather. it's the weird -- it's the weird storms, the microburst storms, and, you know, a lot of people accept that things have changed. whether or not they accept that human actions are responsible for it, and there's something

that can be done about it is a big question, but there is -- it does feel that, and i think the polling shows, that people are understanding that there has been a change and it's something that people have to adapt to, but the -- i mean, i -- i think a heat dome, that's new, right? i don't ever remember hearing that term before so, you know. >> jonathan le mire, you're our practicing meteorologist here. heat dome. what in the world is that? >> yeah. i don't have my board to point to with the forecast, but we've had heat deems before sadly. >> okay. >> it's basically when the heat shows up and gets stuck. i believe the jet stream has a role here. it keeps it in place. that's what i heard from my show first about an hour ago. what it means is punishing heat for days. >> punishing heat and not going anywhere, and it's also something where it's further evidence of climate change and also disproportionately impacts

the least advantaged in our country, the poor, either living in urban or rural areas and we certainly encourage everyone to stay cool as possible the next week or so and check on your neighbors especially if they are elderly or vulnerable during what is going to be a tough really few days. >> there's a weather report and also our community action bulletin board by jonathan le mire. >> i wear a lot of hats. >> you do wear a lot of hats. let's talk, jonathan, about the dustup yesterday about donald trump who can't really seem to stop from kicking the most important city, the most important city in american politics over the next six months. that, of course, is the largest city in wisconsin which is seen as an ultimate swing state. he's now backtracking, but he was, according to the chicago police, he was planning to stay

in chicago during the republican national convention in milwaukee, and his about face came out after reporters found out that he was going to be staying in the windy city instead of milwaukee when it reportedly involved trump staying at a trump tower in the windy city and commuting 90 miles north. also, he can stay out of milwaukee overnight. of course, trump lied and told nbc that he had planned to stay in milwaukee all along, but hours later chicago law enforcement confirmed that they were in fact planning security for a trump stay during the rnc convention as recently as yesterday and had been coordinating safety measures about the trump campaign in person and by phone. according to the chair of the city council's public safety committee the trump campaign abruptly changed their minds yesterday and communicated with the city to say we're not coming to see the cubs after all.

trump has been on the defensive about his views in milwaukee after telling republican lawmakers in a private meeting last week that the city was, quote, horrible. one week later when he's in wisconsin he's saying that he, quote, loves milwaukee. jonathan, again, you think they can handle this a little bit better but the guy obviously has contempt for milwaukee. it doesn't matter how much people spin it on fox news. i heard some people even on howie kurtz's show that it was misinformation what was said about milwaukee. not if you take what republicans were saying in the room, the fact that they were going around in circles saying oh, no he didn't say it and they found out later he admitted to saying it, back and forth, back and forth and obviously he like a lot of republicans in wisconsin have a real problem with milwaukee. >> yeah. joe, first i did meteorology and now i'll do geography. chicago not in wisconsin.

>> not in wisconsin. >> chicago in illinois a state that will safely go democratic and milwaukee is the biggest battleground state in the map in wisconsin. you know, this is not new for trump. trump back in 2016, the rnc was slated to be in cleveland. he attacked cleveland repeatedly, not understanding why the rnc would be there. he's doing the same here and trump, is you know, a known creature of habit. he likes to sleep in his own bed each night on the campaign trail. flies back and forth in order to get back to mar-a-lago or bedminster, wherever it might be, and in this case he was going to go to trump tower in chicago, the toe he will there. this points to a bigger issue. the biden compare has been all along once trump returns to the campaign trail, americans start tuning in over the summer and more and more in the fall that trump will make self-destructive acts or comments. this feels like it could be one of them and even if he'llnates a percentage of wisconsin vote, maybe not milwaukee residents, the city won't go for him, but

maybe suburb eastern residents who have pride in the brewers or milwaukee or whatever it may be, it's a big unforced error. >> or the bucks, right? >> sure. >> i wondered why -- i did not realize that about cleveland as well, that he would trash talk cleveland in 2016. he doesn't dish mean, this is a thing, right? he wants to stay in trump hotelsings right. like there's not a trump hotel in milwaukee and that's why he wants to stay in chicago, but list wonder if he doesn't want to be some place that he loses and if he's not loved in milwaukee and he's nod loved in wisconsin and he's lost in wisconsin before if he doesn't want to go back there, and i do think -- you know, i know that some republicans in wisconsin don't love milwaukee either, but it does seem to like get at some kind of pride of the state when you're attacking their -- you know, you're attacking their biggest city, and the more he's on -- there's a lot of crazy stuff that he said when he was in wisconsin last night. the more he's on the campaign trail the more fodder there is

for this kind of thing. like what do you think about this? >> i notice he's been very selective on the cities that he attacks. they usually have black mayors and usually have a large urban community, and i had the mayor of milwaukee on "politics nation" the other night and we talked about that. you know, he never attacks certain cities who has some of the same challenges, but i think that we're getting ahead of ourselves. he has a sentencing four days before the convention, and who knows, the judge may have other accommodations prepared for him. i don't know. it's maybe unlikely, but i wouldn't rule it out. >> we shall see. stay tuned on that front. but eddie, i mean, the rev really just broke the code really. after trump trashed milwaukee, people said oh, he would never say that. okay. well, we found out that he did say that and they made a lot of

different -- it was about crime. it was about the brewers' middle relievers. it was about this. it was about that. no, it wasn't. he trashed milwaukee, but -- but if you read the articles surrounding it, republicans in wisconsin have been trashing milwaukee for a very long time, and it's all the as the rev said. it's about cities with urban populations, with black mayors. republicans have always talked that way about philadelphia. oh, they are going to just sit and wait and see how many black votes they can steal in philadelphia because philadelphia is so corrupt or detroit. david frum has a piece out of donald trump trashing detroit. we heard what he said about africa and caribbean nations. he might as well say it about cities, too, where there's a predominantly black population chances are very, very good that

donald trump is not going to like that city. >> right, joe. then you add that to his conspiracy theory that these are the places that led to the election being stolen. remember, when he was talking about 2020, what was happening? it was what was going on in atlanta, what was happening right in milwaukee, what was happening in detroit, what was happening in philadelphia, so it makes it difficult for him to be in milwaukee making the case, right, that the election was stolen in 2020, right, when in fact he's actually holding his convention in the very city that he thinks participated in the heist as it were, so not only is it racist, joe, it cuts against the grain of the theory that he's been spouting ever since he lost the election. >> happening right now. russian president vladimir putin's meeting with kim jong-un, and earlier today the north korean leader hosted putin for a lavish welcome ceremony with portraits of both leaders strewn on top surrounding buildings throughout the nearby sea -- streets.

think washington, d.c. in 2025 in donald trump wins. it's been 24 years since putin visited the reclusive nation as his war on ukraine stretches into another summer. north korea's ability to arm russia with weapons and artillery is critical for putin's war amounts, and as both leaders face escalating standoffs with the west, we're learning they signed a deal to help each other in case the other is attacked. let's bring in historian john meachum. john, we're really seeing a shift leer. there was a long time ago that russia was largely dependent on germany and other countries in the european union to help fuel their economy. obviously china has been depending more and more on europe and the west for quite some time. you're now really seeing, quoting david frum who we just talked about in a great piece in

"the atlantic" yesterday about detroit. you're really seeing this axis of evil with russia, north korea, communist china, the most repressive nations on earth that putin would like to call himself a communist leader, but the most repressive nations on earth coming together to unite against the west, to unite against nato, to unite against america and to unite against freedom, and i've got to say the most frightening part of that, i mean, because standing alone doesn't cause a concern if you look at our economic might and our military might, but the most concerning part of that alliance is that donald trump considers himself to be close friends with every one of those tyrants. >> that's the picture that we should all focus on right now. arguably the most important part of this unfolding political campaign is that the republican nominee wants to be in that frame.

he wants to be walking through squares like that. by his own admission, he admirers that. he admirers that the authoritarianism. he admirers the toughness, and i would just say to all of my friends and your friends, too, who consider themselves reagan republicans, look at these images and explain to me, explain to us, why somehow or another it is in the american interest to support vladimir putin against -- against america intelligence agencies, against american interests, against the long-standing sometimes ambivalent, sometimes unsuccessful, sometimes contradictory, but persistent support of democracies around the world on the part of the united states. our collective security after world war ii was based on the idea that democracies tended not

to go to war with each other, autocracies tended to go to war against democracies. that is the pattern, and it doesn't necessarily predict the future, but it's a pretty good diagnostic guide, and if you want to understand the global stakes of what we're facing, those are the images to show. >> you know, it's -- it's -- what's so remarkable here, john, is -- john meachum, is that you look at donald trump's words, and we've talked time and time again about the republicans in the clubhouse, well, sitting there, it's republican versus democrat, and biden, he's a socialist. how is your 401(k), making more money than ever? how are your stocks? breaking records every day, but he's a socialist, so, you know, i'm just going to vote for the republican acting as if this is dole versus clinton in 1996. let's look at the words, and

your friends and my friends. how do they justify the fact that they are still considering voting for a guy who called president xi the head of the chinese communist party who asked him at mar-a-lago reportedly about building concentration camps for uygurs and trump offhandedly said yeah, sounds great. >> yeah. >> he praised president xi as being incredibly powerful with an iron fist, a brilliant guy with an iron fist and respected the fact that he had an iron fist and could oppress over a billion of his citizens. he called vladimir putin's invasion of russia brilliant, brilliant. i say that to all of your friends at the 19-9-hole and my friends, and then, of course, went on and on about his love letters to kim jong-un, a man

who is considered to be the most blood-thirsty communist tyrant on the face of the globe. this is who your friends, some of your friends, some of my friends, some of your family, some i my family and everybody on fox news is supporting. >> it's -- it's one of the great puzzles, and i mean this. i -- i can arc the domestic side. i understand, i don't agree with it, but i understand the taxes and judges argument for domestically supporting the republican nominee, whoever it might be and, boy, we have now tested three times whoever it might be, but this one doesn't make sense to me. this is a party whose modern incarnation, most recent incarnation before the trumpification of it was ronald reagan's philosophy of the cold war. we win, they lose, right?

it was a negotiating position from the former president of the screen actor's guild who called him an evil empire and brought gorbachev to the table, and the soviet union falls on george w. bush's watch without an american troop not being in a combat position, something unimagine. a it was the product, of a bipartisan coalition where we argued about the relative projection of force against soviet tyranny, but we never argued about the fact of soviet tyranny. here you have a three-time republican nominee for president, right, which is only -- nixon got it four times. that's the record, so donald trump is closing in on richard nixon and his record for winning the republican presidential nomination. we have a nominee who argues that russia is a more reliable

partner than his own intelligence agencies and supports the rawest kind of aggression against neighbors which is the tenet of the international order, right? so how does, and i'm not asking this in sort of a msnbc hyperbolic, you know, moment, how does a reagan/bish republican support a republican nominee who puts not america first but putin first? how do you justify it? >> and jonathan, not just putin first over his own intel chiefs that he appointed and, of course, you asked that question, but, again, praises the leader of communist china as a brilliant man with an iron fist,

praises the fact that he's able to repress over a billion of his people, that he's able to put wug yours, a million uygurs in concentration camps, kim jong-un, you know, talking about love letters and what a remarkable relationship he has with kim jong-un. again, this is -- as john said, i mean, this is what moved my family who were cold warriors all along from the democratic to the republican party. it's why my dad loved -- well, first nixon and then reagan so much, because they were tough on communists. they were tough on tyrants. they were tough on dictators like kim jong-un who threatens the west all the time, who threatens america all the time, tough on people like putin. i mean, i could go on and on down the line but john is, of

course, exactly right. what held the republican party together for so long, that was the fact that we were -- we were all children of reagan. you know, we supported, we believed in western democracy. we believed in western freedoms and believed that there was in fact a battle between east and west politically and ideology. it defined dr. brzezinski's life. it defined dr. brzezinski's writings, and like reagan he had a very simple view and most republicans had this view as well. the strategy for dr. brzezinski, the strategy for ronald reagan, the strategy for jean kirkpatrick, the strategy for madeleine albright, the strategy for robert gates, we win, they lose. donald trump has it completely

reversed. he attacks democratically elected leaders in europe who are freely elected and he admirers and praises communist tyrants. >> yeah. >> and, again, the point there is, again, that's who the republican party is lining up behind this year like they did four years ago, like they did eight years ago, and they wonder why they keep losing. >> yeah. if there's a strong man out there, donald trump has tried to kodsi up to him. this is not a secret. he's doing this in plan slight. republicans know this and are voting for him anyway, someone who would praise vladimir putin, kim jong-un and xi jinping. they feel what worked in 2020 largely on domestic issues, they feel it's even more important in the post-january 6 world and also internationally with what

we're seeing in ukraine, the war there, that this is putin, an autocrat, trying to illegally seize a democracy in ukraine, and they feel liking this will matter again, that it's not something that always is picked up in the polls, that this is not an issue that, you know, is as buzzy as said, you know, as inflation or other matters or whether joe biden is too old, but they think that among a core group of americans, in particular older americans who remember the cold war, who care about these things, who care about standing up for democracy, that this will matter, joe, that this is an issue that will matter come jeff. >> all right. and still ahead on "morning joe," we're going to take a look at the life and the legacy of one of baseball's greatest and most beloved players, willie mays, the say hey kid who passed away yesterday at the age of 93. we're back in 90 seconds. 93. we're back in 90 seconds

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explosion from a lot of people. >> if you watch baseball as much as my family and i watch baseball, you know that this is the catch in major league baseball history against which all other remarkable catches are measured, that is hall of famer willie mays making the most of this famous catch in history and the baseball legend passed away at the age of 93. mays had the rare combination of power and speed and defense playing center field for new york and the san francisco giants. mays was a 24-time all-star and two-time mvp, won 12 goal garcia-lopez and was sixth all time in home runs. all of that despite missing two seasons in the 1950s while serving in the army during the korean war.

mays was a first ballot hall of famer, of course, in 1979, the oldest living hall of famer until his death yesterday. the world series mvp trophy is also named after him. in 2015 he was awarded the medal of freedom by then president barack obama who told the audience that day it's because of giants like willie that someone like me could even think about running for president. moving words from president barack obama. with us now to reflect on his legacy, msnbc contributor mike barnicle and msnbc "new york times" columnist and best-selling author mike lupe "k." mike barnicle, how do you put into words all that willy maize did and all that will willie maize meant to baseball and to america? >> well, it's pretty hard to put it into words, joe, but that clip taken on september 29, 1954, willie racing out to center field, deep center field in the old polo grounds to make

that spectacular catch. the game was 2-2. it was the top of the eighth inning. willie mays from birmingham, alabama made that catch. he's the greatest major league player in history ever, no doubt about that, and it's also indicative of how much has changed in the game and in america. i mean, that game was a wednesday afternoon game, a world series game played on a wednesday afternoon. i remember watching that game vividly standing on main street in the neighborhood that i grew up in, watching the game on a tv set in the window of a furniture store because there weren't a lot of tvs around, and i was watching the tv in that window with a crowd of people around. it was also indicative of the fact that so many black ballplayers, maybe just as great as willie maize, were never given the chance to be willie mays, and this saturday or i think thursday actually in rick

wood field in birmingham, alabama, the st. louis cardinals are going to play the san francisco giants and he was supposed to be there. willie could remember every pitch he took or hit off of who he hit it against in the major leagues. he was the greatest player ever to play the game and also a spectacular human being. >> and also, mike lupica, another kid from the state that my all-time sports hero was from, hank aaron. they shared a lot of similarities. two of the greatest players to ever play the game. i've got to say though, many would agree with mike barnicle that willie mays was the greatest all-around player of all time. what do you say?

>> when you watch that catch in the world series you remember a great line from a great baseball man named fresco thompson, center field is where triples go to die and did again. reggie jackson had such a great description of what willie mays was like on the baseball field. with babe ruth you wanted to see him do one thing. with willie you wanted to see him do everything, and the -- the only thing that you can tell younger people is he was michael jordan at that time. vin scully once told me willie mays is someone we must pass on, that he wasn't just someone relegated to the best. he's the greatest pound-for-pound baseball player who ever lived. joe, he hit 660 home runs and spent most of his career in candlestick park in the wind and the cold and the rain, so there's no telling how many home runs he missed out on. he was 5'11". he brought the basket catch, his

cap flew off. he played the game with flair. johnny keene, the old cardinals manager called him the magic man, and that's what he was. i heard someone say one time the genius is something you look at and think, well, if i got really good, i could do that, and then there was magic, and willie mays from the start of his career, even when he he was old, there was magic. like, i was standing with him in spring train when he came down one time to coach with the mets, and he said what brothers me is people who only saw me when i was old forget what i was like when i was young, and i said with all due respect, sir, no, they haven't forgotten. >> no, no, they have not, nor will they as long as the game of baseball is played. you know, it's so fascinating, jonathan, that mike lupica is so right, that willie mays was

michael jordan 30 years before michael jordan was michael jordan. what's so fascinating is michael jordan is michael jordan 20 years after the civil rights passed, after america had gone through some pretty dramatic changes on race. willie mays was doing what willie mays was doing and was a hero to millions of kids in the '50s, and in the '60s. like a good bit of hank aaron's career before the civil rights act and the voting rights act passed, and a hero to so many. just like jackie robinson, a guy that actually did so much more than just star in baseball games. he helped lead america out of the dark ages on civil rights, like so many -- so many baseball

heroes. >> yeah. thursday's game in alabama is going to be a beautiful, important moment. it was always going to be about willie mays and now it will still be with a touch of sadness now that he's passed. certainly the best all-around baseball player that we've ever seen. here's my favorite stat. he won 12 gold gloves as not, no outfielder has ever won more. the gold glove award wasn't invented until six years into his career so he probably would have had 15 or 16 more. >> yeah. >> in total, truly, truly extraordinary. reverend, let's get you in on where joe was starting to talk, his impact on the field as well as off the field. what he meant for black america. >> it's nothing you can really put up in words. i grew up in the '60s and '70s and you must remember in the '60s and '70s the baseball giants, particularly in new

york, the guys were mickey mantle and roger maris. willie mays was the one i remember. i was a little -- i wasn't born when jackie robinson broke the color line, but willie mays broke that color line in that age before the civil rights act, '64 was the civil rights act. '65 voting rights act, so towards the end of the '60s you had a muhammad ali that was a rebel. the guy that prayed for us every day, that made us feel like we were part of the american mainstream was willie mays. he didn't make a lot of speeches. >> right. >> when i met him a couple of times, i used to say that. he wasn't a guy that spoke loud. like hank aaron he spoke with his bat and his skill. we could go to school. i was in elementary school, we could go to school with our chest out every time it caught the ball because it made us feel like we belonged even before legislation made it so that we did belong.

>> this is the key, rev, for me as a country boy from mississippi, looking at willy mays, i'm young so i never saw him play. birmingham, alabama, hank aaron, mobile, alabama, these southerners out thereto doing these amazing things. what they illustrated and what mays illustrated, at least for me as a young southern kid was excellence. >> right. >> that is to say you own your craft. you be the best at it possible, and so it's through his example of excellence, not through his mouth, not by speaking. >> that's right. >> he spoke against jim crow in a very specific way, mike. >> you know, when he made that catch at the age of 23. it was his first full season in the major leagues, 1954. where had he been prior to that? serving in the united states army. >> that's right. >> that's right. >> absolutely. >> wow. >> yeah. >> and there's mike and the say hey kid.

what a baseball player, what a -- what a hero for millions of young boys and girls and their families. so remembering willie mays this morning. and mike lupica, we saw what happened with -- with mookie betts a couple days ago. last night a huge sigh of relief in yankees world after aaron judge was hit by a fastball in the third inning and had to leave the game. i had seeing that. i mean, the ball gets away from pitchers, and, man, that is just so brutal, but anyway, went to the hospital for testing where results from the x-ray and cat scan on the hand came back negative. as for the game, the yankees won 4-2 and hold a two and a half game lead over the os in the

division and i've got to say, mike lupica, red sox looking pretty good. reaf yala doing extraordinary thing. the red sox, again, for making their trades in the off-season with little more than all you can eat buffet coupons to barn hills buffet in pensacola, pennsylvania, they put together a pretty good team. they are in the top ten, jack scarborough tells me, they are in the top ten in both runs scored and team e.r.a. i'm not sure how alex cora is holding it together, and andrew bailey, but they are holding it together. >> joe, let me tell you something. last winter the big free agent in baseball was shohei ohtani. if the red sox don't sign alex cora who is doing the best managing job in the whole sport with what they have, the most valuable free agent next winter is going to be the current manager of the boston red sox. >> yeah.

no doubt about it. cora year in and year out does more with less than any manager. he's got a couple of kids that are of age where they are starting to play baseball, and he may want to take a year or two off if the red sox aren't serious about re-signing him, aren't serious about winning world series any time soon, and then you are right, mike. that guy on the open market, whoa. he's going to be almost able to name his price. >> if craig council yell is worth $10 million a year to the chicago cubs, what is alex cora going to be worth if he hits the open market? >> as please, let's hope as red sox fans he doesn't hit the open market, but i'm -- you can't -- i mean, i don't know what they are going to -- what -- what red sox management is going to want to buy next, you know. maybe they will -- maybe they will decide to take over australian results football

leagues or something like that and not have the money to re-sign him. we'll see. "new york times" best selling author mike lupica, thank you so much having here. coming up, "morning joe" economist commentator is here to debunk president trump's lies and we're also going to talk about real troubling projections from the congressional budget office about a national debt over the next several years that could cripple this country economically if we don't get serious about it soon. "morning joe" will be right back. serious about it soon. "morning joe" will be right back at care.com, it's easy to get a break, even if you're not on summer vacation. join millions of families who've trusted us and find caregivers in your area for kids,

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welcome back to "morning joe." a look at l.a.x. on the west coast. the los angeles unified school district board of education passed a proposal yesterday. school staff are going to begin developing policies over the next four month over cell phone bans. proponent pointed to the research on cell phones and the potential for distraction on learning. let me say again, the potential, the potential for distraction on learning? yeah, please. we're going to have more on this

ahead in our fourth hour. the question is why wasn't this done years ago? i'm glad that school districts are looking at it now the congressional budget office, by the way, is now forecasting a $400 billion increase for this year's budget deficit that. number is 27% higher than the budget watchdogs originally announced back in february. social security and medicare are among the key factors driving those costs up. the cbo is projecting that the nation's debt is going to top $56 trillion by 2024 34 as spending and interest expenses continue to outpace tax revenues. steve rattner, let me bring you in, former treasury official and "morning joe" contributor as well as john meachum. steve, when i ran for congress, i was explaining about a $4 trillion debt. deficit was around $250 million,

$350 million, breaking records. this seemed to be unimaginable. it kept exploding through the bush years, exploding through the obama years and then it just spiked precipitously went up when republicans and donald trump were in power over four years. the national debt went up more in donald trump's four years than any time over -- over the past 230, 235 years, all the presidents before him, and it continues to go up, and whether there's a republican or democrat in power, unless something dramatic is done, it will continue to go up over the next 10, 15 years. talk about the risks that we face as a nation and what we need to do to bring that debt down. >> so, first of all, joe, the risks are enormous, but just to put this in a little bit of historical context. as you well now, president clinton left office with a surplus in the budget. we still had debt, but at least we were starting to pay it down

and then george w. bush came into office and famously, cheney said to him, deficits don't matter and reagan proved that. they passed two rounds of tax cuts, eliminated the surplus and we went off into deficit land where we've been ever since, and obviously we had crises like 2008 that we had to respond to and there was a pretty valiant effort by president barack obama after that to try to get the deficit down, but we didn't make that much progress and then trump came along with this huge tax cut that he said would be paid for, and it turns out it ended up costing almost $2 trillion, according to cbo numbers of extra debt, simply from his one tax cut and we had covid which we had to deal with obviously and now here's where we are, as you just said. i think the dangers -- a couple of dangers. the first danger is that if trump comes back, his tax cuts actually expire mostly next year. he wants to extend them. the cbo has said that would cost $4 trillion more to extend the

tax cuts so that's more debt, and there's really no sense anymore that we need to bring the deficit down, although president biden does have a policy that would bring it down somewhat, but urgency is not there. what are the dangers? look, there are two potential dangers. one is something cataclysmic where we wake up one day and the people who buy our debt now, which are actually heavily americans, not the chinese anymore as much, but a lot of american pension funds, if they suddenly wake up and say we're worried and we're just not going to buy all this debt or it's just too much debt for us to buy and then have you a huge increase in interest rates and a huge increase in the federal government's borrowing rates. the other potential outcome, which i think is slightly more likely, is what is a little bit like the parable of the frog that we keep adding debt and interest costs to our budget and those costs keep pushing out all the other important things we need to do in government priorities, everything from spending to national parks to cleaning up the environment,

whatever you want to do will get squeezed out as we have to pay more and more interest on that debt. >> right. so steve, what percentage of the gdp is our debt now? know it's over 100%. >> yeah. it's just a bit over 100%, but obviously heading high. you did ask me also like what do we do about it and what's part of the problem? a lot of the problem is that we have cut taxes so much, and so the federal government's tax rate as a share of the gdp which used to be just under -- just under 20%, around 20%, is now more like 16% of all of these tax cuts, and so we -- we -- you know, look, it's not something that politically is so easy to say, but we have to raise taxes. obviously we have to raise taxes on the people, on the companies that can most afford them, but we're operating in a fantasy land right now where we can have all these tax cuts and these deficits and not have to worry about the debt, so taxes have to

go up. trump wants to cut them again. that is completely irresponsible. >> and john meachum, just to go through these numbers, just for anybody out there that is under the mistaken impression that there's one party that cares more about deficits or debt than the other. it's just not the case. >> yeah. >> when i left congress in 2001, we had a $155 billion surplus. george w. bush became president. the national debt was $5.6 trillion. it jumped up to over-11 trillion. when barack obama became president it went from-11 trillion to $19 trillion over the next four years and then donald trump comes into power and it's around $19 trillion and it jumps $10 trillion, much closer to $30 trillion, the damage he did in four years just on fiscal issues alone

unspeakable, but john, the biggest problem is there is just not the political will to be responsible and plan ahead to make sure that this debt doesn't cripple america because we're moving in a direction where it will cripple this country economically and by extension the world's economy. >> yeah. well, while both you and steve were talking i was thinking about two things. one was an early diary entry from george h.w. bush when he's president-elect in 1988 in december, and he talks about how he'd read -- read at the book "the rise and fall of the great powers," remember paul kennedy. >> paul kennedy. >> was an essential part of that, and how existential that was, and for which he in some ways sacrificed his presidency when he abandoned his no new taxes pledge which helped set the conditions for the surplus you're talking about. the other is these numbers, it

reminds me of saying attributed to stalin, you know. 1 million is real, trillions are a statistic. >> right. >> i think it's just a very difficult matter of political public education to lay this out and to say there's no political will it just an insult. it's just not remotely there. >> yeah. let's save democracy and then fix the fiscal problem. >> jen palmieri, it reminds me of what happened during the clinton years. you had bill clinton famously getting angry early in his presidency. he was recorded by bob woodward, i think the book was called "the choice" but woodward recorded this anyway where alan greenspan said if you don't take care of

the deficit the bonds traders also go crazy, and there will be real economic problems and clinton was angry. he said my presidency is being held hostage by bonds traders and to which greenspan said yes, yes, it is. so bill clinton did something unpopular that i was against. he cut taxes, and most importance were against it and democrats paid for it in 1994. that's one of the reasons i got elected. and then over the next six years we republicans made a lot of deeply unpopular cuts to spending programs. bill clinton eventually went along with most of those cuts but there were republicans who lost their congressional seats because tough political decisions they made, but what happened? >> '94 i said i want to balance the budget because you can't do it without wrecking the economy. >> we balanced the budget four

years in a row. let me say that again, four years in a row. we did because, again, there were people who took and made tough political choices and america was better because of it. there hasn't been a leader like that over the last 20 years when it comes to stopping these exploding deficits and exploding federal debt, and we're going to -- to rue the day that we don't have those leaders if we don't do something fast. >> they did. clinton, august '93, a deficit reduction package. not how he thought he'd spend his first year in office and then with republicans when you all took control in '95, another balanced budget act, and i think actually reached a balanced budget and surplus by the end. his presidency and the reason why there's not the political rell to embed it now because

people don't worry about it as much as in oat 90s because clinton solved it. it's just not -- right now the political will just is not there. >> no, not there at all. historian john meachum, thank you so much. always great to see you. coming up next, steve will head over to the southwest wall for a fact check on donald trump continued lie about what he's done for black unemployment during his presidency. plus, "the new republic's "mike tomasi is here to discuss his new piece. there's a new silent majority out there and it's not conservative. we'll have him explain next on "morning joe." we're back in two minutes. nextn "morning joe." we're back in two minutes. while i am a paid actor, and this is not a real company, there is no way to fake how upwork can help your business. upwork is half the cost of our old recruiter and they have top-tier talent and everything

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which has sharks. you don't have sharks, see. that's -- that's a big advantage. i'll take the one without the sharks. >> donald trump in wisconsin yesterday, significant obsessed with sharks and mosquitos, hannibal lecter, you name it. meanwhile, he was in detroit on saturday touting all the things that he says his administration has done for the african american community including saying unemployment rates were the lowest in history while he was president. >> we've done more, and i say this, i say it proudly, more for the bloc population than any president since abraham lincoln. that's a big statement. and crooked joe biden has done nothing for you except talk. it's only talk. the jobs were in the best in the history of our country for african american, for black americans. the jobs were the best in the history of our country.

>> he said he was the best president for black americans since abraham lincoln, and then he said that was a big statement. it was a big statement. it was also a big lie. the biden administration responded to the post saying in part this. fact check. this is a blatant lie. trump left office with the worst jobs record since the great depression. did you hear that? the worst jobs record since the great depression, including presiding over record high black unemployment. president biden has presided over record low poverty rates and unemployment. steve rattner, you're at the big lie. what has unemployment rates looked like under both joe biden and president trump? >> we'll take a look at the southwest wall, exactly that point, and what you can see here is the history of black unemployment versus white unemployment and historically as we all know there was a big gap

between black unemployment and white unemployment, back in the 1980s, 12 percentage points, black unemployment well over 20% and we did make a good bit of progress and in trump we made a bit of progress under his administration but what the biden administration is talking about, when he left office because of the pandemic in fairness, black unemployment was something like 17%, and under joe biden it has come down, down, down, and it did hit a record low of about 6.5% during last year. it's up very slightly this year, but most importantly the gap between black unemployment and white employment has hit a record low and that's something donald trump didn't come close to. there's only a 2.3 percentage point between the two. obviously we want to get that gap to zero and we're getting closer. part of why that's happened is because we're gotten more blacks

in the workforce, particularly the black women so when you make adjustments for demographics and things like that, you have almost the same percentage of black women employed as we do white women. so we've essentially eliminate that had gap which is as much as 8 percentage points back in the 1990s. we've made progress with black men, a little bit higher. we have a 5% gap at the moment and that's way better than not that long ago when we were in at 11%, 12%. still have a bit of news to go on unemployment, but the news there is pretty good. >> it's really good when you look at the fact that employment equity is better than it's ever been. let's go to the second chart and let's look where black income does lag behind white income. >> yeah. joe, so obviously unemployment and income are two of the most important economic indicators, and there we've not made as much progress. you can see here just sort of

what's been happening to wages. inflation-adjusted wages for various groups, and so white americans today are making about $119,000 per household. asian americans are actually 141,000 but asian americans and black americans are down in the 86,000 level. this is adjusting for inflation but not nearly enough. this is the ratio between the two incomes, black and whites. black incomes have been hovering around 65% of white incomes. it's been that way for a long time under a lot of presidents. we've got to make real progress there. hispanics are essentially in the same situation. asians have done better. >> and let's look at your third chart where the racial wealth gap remains large. >> yeah. the racial wealth gap is huge. you have white americans with adjusted family incomes up here around 280,000.

you have black americans down here, and so when you look at the ratio, you can see if you go all the way back to 1989, white americans were 18 times the wealth of black americans. black americans had almost no wealth. we have, again, made some progress there. we got to a ratio of six times. it went up after the great financial crisis. it got worse for a bit, and we worked it back down to six, but obviously six times is a crazy numbers for white people to have family incomes, family wealth of six times black people so a lot of work to do there, and other economic indicators also show we still have a lot of work to do. if you look at the percentage that own their own homes, whites 73%, blacks 46%, a deficit of 27. retirement accounts, 61% of whites have retirement accounts, only 28% of black americans. own stocks, 66% versus 39% for black people, and, you know, education drives a lot of, that

and so 42% of white americans have a bachelors degree or higher or education degree and only 29% of black americans have education. today is juneteenth, and i think it's an important day to look at the enormous progress we've made in terms of getting black americans into the workforce at almost the same level as whites. that's really great news, but we have a lot of work to do. >> great progress, but a long way to go. "morning joe" economic analyst dave ratner, thanks so much. we have jen palmieri and mike barnicle and rehn sharpton still with us. let's bring in donny deutsch, editor of "the new republic" and michael tomasi. there's obviously a lot of good news when you look at the gap that-the unemployment gap. it's still a wide disparity not just between black americans and

white americans, but the number that really stuck out to me is asian america averaging $141,000 per year and black and hispanic americans around 78,000, 79,000 a year. that's -- that's even a larger disparity than the gap between white and black americans. what is underlying those numbers? >> you know, joe, one of the things that we have to think about is history matters, and, of course, this is juneteenth, and we have to tell the story, that is to say these numbers are not by accident. they are the action of deliberate policy, deliberate policy that span the lifetime of my father, my grandfather and my great grandfather. what i'm trying to suggest is we have to remember for a long time we had a dual housing market and labor market. for a long time we had segregated schools. for a lot of time we had red lined communities and the like. for a long time we've had ranks who discriminated on the basis of race, so these numbers are wired in because of long-standing historical policy.

as i say all around country, joe, particularly on juneteenth, if we're going to address it we have to be as deliberate in trying to address it as we were in creating it, and that requires of us just simply an honest assessment of what brought us to this moment, and once we do that we can free ourselves into addressing these issues at the core, it seems to me. >> reverend al, john meachum always talks about how we really didn't start moving towards jefferson's promise, america's promise until 1964, 1965. we just talked about it with -- we just talked about it when we were discussing willie mays, the voting rights act, the civil rights act, where all men, we get to point to where all men were created equal. of course, martin luther king used jefferson's words in the march on washington just like frederick douglass and the others, so it took from 1789

when jefferson was a slaveholder and george washington and some of the others, but 1789 when we -- when started in earnest as a country all the way through 1965 before black americans under the law were afforded civil rights and voting rights that gave them a shot, so just following up on what eddie said, that was a longtime coming, and that's not going to be erased. the disparities won't be erased in a generation, so we have to remain vigilant. >> no. it's critical what you said by law. you must remember that after they stopped reconstruction and went into this era that ended up with plessy versus ferguson, 1896, there was no legal change until 1954 with brown versus the board of education. you're talking about a span of almost a century. we're the only race that by law

couldn't do certain things. we had biasses against others that came to the country, but we were named by law not to have equal rights, and we're talking about my parents, my grandparents, so you're right. you can't erase that in a generation because by law we couldn't do certain things, and the absurdity of donald trump acting like he did something, as you know, joe, i knew donald trump for 35 years, fought with him, went to meet with him, tried to get him to do things. i've never seen a black employee in donald trump's office, not one. i used to say going up trump tower was like going up the rocky mountains, the higher it got, the whiter it got. you didn't see one black employee at his trial. he didn't do anything for citizens and as steve rattner's chart shows he didn't do it as president. >> the rocky mountains, i'll remember that.

mike tomasi, four latest piece is called "there's a new silent majority" and you wrote thereto are a group of americans out there who are anywhere from sort of turned off to massively repulsed by maga and while frump and fox news and steve bannon and marjorie taylor greene spend their days full nating about america dying and hyping a tsunami coming, there's are in pact people are at home spearheading hatemonger. they are out there, and they are, i submit you are your new silent majority. spiro agnew, the naybobs of

negativism. it was conservative members like my family members in the '60s and '70s that say stop hating on america. stop trying to tear down america's institutions. stop reflexively attacking the military, america's economy, colleges, et cetera, et cetera, all of the things that scared my parents when they were watching television in the 1960s because the radical left or the new left or whatever you want to call it were declaring war on american institutions and talking about how much they hated american institutions, that turned my parents off. now we're getting it from the right. our colleges are horrible despite the fact that 19 of the top 45 colleges in the world just in rankings a few weeks ago are united states colleges and universities. our economy constantly trashed despite the fact that meachum brought up the rise and fall of the great powers by paul kennedy back in the 1980s. using his measurement relative to the rest of the world, our

economy and our military stronger relative to the rest of the world combined at any time since world war ii, and yet all americans in wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania and across the country here are donald trump and his maga extremists tearing down the united states of america, even supreme court justices having american flags flying upside down at their home, like this is what turned my parents off from being fdr democrats to being reagan republicans in the late '60s, early '70s, and, yes, chicago '68 may have been the final straw. >> yeah. are you know, nixon, of course, popularized the phrase silent majority and spiro agnew, his vice president, and then it did represent people just as you described who were turned off by

the far left, but today i say that has flipped. today it's the far right that is the threat to law and order. the republican party is the party of anti-law and disorder and the party, as you say, of attacking america. you know, we follow polls all the time in the media and we talk about all the time and understandably so, i guess, but then every once in a while a special election comes along and those are worth paying attention to, because in the handful of special elections so far this year or since the last mid-terms that have pitted a democrat against a republican, democrats have rarely outperformed expectations in those elections. it's a little different from the polls, so the -- the piece of evidence that caused me to write that column was last week's special election for a house seat in ohio. it was a very republican district. cook political rating rated it an r plus 16 district meeting

it's basically impossible for the democrat to win and the republican did win it. here's the thing. donald trump won that district in 2020 by 29 points and the republican won the district by single digits, and the republican spent more than half a million dollars, and the democrat spent $7,000. something has to explain that, and i'm saying that it may be this silent army, this new silent majority that may not necessarily call themselves liberal or progress itch and may not be out there marching for this or that cause, but, yeah, they are turned off by maga and they want a country where there's basic decency, normalcy, respect for law and order and tolerance for others. >> so donny, the people that michael wrote about, that he's speaking about. you know, ordinary americans who have suffered probably more loss over the last decade and a half or two decades than most americans, they perhaps have

lost homes or jobs in 2008, 2009. they have perhaps lost children who went to serve of in afghanistan or iraq, how do you reach these people who are not maga people? they are ordinary hard working americans with families and mortgages and jobs today, how do you reach them? >> i think you ask them a simple question. you say do you love this country or do you hate this country? yes, it has been problems that we have in this country, but do you love the fact that still in a lot of this country we've got to the keep that way a woman has a right to protect her bod? do you still love the fact that this country that is the economic possibilities there for you, do you love this country, we have the strongest military to protect you. you make -- i think there's such a contrast between light and darkness, love and hate, compassion and anger, that i -- i do believe most americans really deeply, deeply in their heart love who we are. there's problems. there's always been problems in this country, and joe, you and i

have talked about this a lot. i do not think donald trump gets elected by saying this country sucks. i think this country is great. i think most people feel that way, mike, even despite your problems, and i think it's a very, very primal thing, so i think you serve up that country. do you love who we are or hate who we are? >> donny, americans are proud of this country, and i find it hard to believe that the silent majority, as michael writes about it, only because i -- i've always looked at politics through my parents' eyes. they -- they never could stand people that ran down america for their own political benefit, and you look at donald trump. he said the american dream was dead in 2016 before he was elected president. then he got elected president, and suddenly america was great, and then when he lost in 2020, suddenly america was terrible

again. i remember the same people supporting donald trump right now attacking michelle obama for saying something about the fact that she believed in america's promise even more since her husband was elected president because it showed that a majority white country, she didn't say it exactly this way, that a majority white country elected a black president. we're the first to do that, and i remember conservatives and people on fox melting down for years, and now we have donald trump saying america sucks, and that's what he says. he says it. every day. he says our military is horrible. he says our economy is horrible. he says our colleges and universities are horrible. he says our institutions. he says our law enforcement officers are horrible, the fbi is horrible. he said, you know, everything that -- that -- that he can

attack, every institution, i mean, michael tomasi will remember this, but donny, i remember, you can put an abby hoffman wig on him and i wouldn't be surprised if he tried to levitate the pentagon with the other hippies a couple of inches off the ground because he's talking just like the late '60s radicals, and that didn't wash with my parents. i find it hard to believe that's going to wash with a lot of old time that you will "c" conservatives who understand how precious democracy is and how as ronald reagan said every generation has to fight for it anew. >> no coincidence that seniors are very, very locked in, more so than ever in biden's camp. traditionally obviously people over 65 go republican. there's a reason they are leaning heavily into democrats, because they understand that. they feel, they know who we are.

they don't take for granted some of the things that young people take for granted today. they are the members of not the greatest generation, the sentence of the greatest generation, they get it, and the problem is and jokes are coming back to what you talk about earlier, the country club folks, the stock market, they take for granted how good we have t. it's still the boast country in the world by far. >> the other thing is when i talk to midwestern members of congress, some of the front line members in the tough districts, they talk about this very dynamic, michael, that -- and it's like -- it's not -- you know, people, suburban moms and dads, taking their kids to soccer practice and then what are we doing with the crazy book bans and telling us kids can read and what they can't read and the abortion bans, and it's just -- it's -- it just seems so extreme and outside of the norm of what -- what they are focused on and just what america is and

it's important to call it this. it's important to recognize the silent majority. why do you think it's important to name it, are you right to make it a community? why should we do that? >> i think it's always important for any political movement or side, jennifer, to put the other side on the heels and to steal their language from them. the democrats are doing a pretty good job -- talking about political freedom and women's reproductive history, in a lot of other context, too. i like that a lot, taking their favorite word from them. this is the concept silent majority. i like exhausted majority by the way, too. this is a concept owned lock, stop and barrel by republicans for 40, 50 years. steam it, take it away, sta say

it, say it, say it and drive them to nuts. i'll add finally. >> michael, i'm just say this. say it because it's true. >> yes. >> when i'm -- when i start seeing libertarians and focus groups in swing states telling -- telling their interviewers, hey, i'm really uncomfortable about what they are doing with women. the government telling women what to do with their bodies. if the government can't -- this is a libertarian talking. if the government can't handle the most basic functions, how are we supposed to trust them to take over people's bodies? take over people's health care and they believe, if they are going after women's freedom now, they will be coming after their freedom later, and so you're exactly right. take that as well as patriotism. republicans have wrapped themselves in the flag for just

decades now. hard to do that if the flag is upside down and trashing the usa every step of the way. >> and i think joe biden just on a personal level makes a really good dramatic contrast with trump on this question of patriotism. trump's patriotism is conditional and transactional and it's all about him. with joe biden there's no democratic politician in america, probably no politician in america whose patriotism is more, you know, sincere and almost corny, you know. that's who he is, and he should play that up, too. >> the new piece online now is in "the new republic." editor michael it tomasi, thanks so much. donny deutsch, significant around. still ahead on "morning joe," democratic congressman jim clyburn of south carolina is going to join our coverage and we'll have the u.s. surgeon general dr. vivek murthy who will be our guest as we calls for warning labels to be placed

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i don't think we needs to do other than what he eased doing. i think joe biden is doing exactly what he needs to do to win re-election. i think the polling that's taking place is something that's

amiss. calling your attention to recent polls over in maryland. african american women running for the united states senate nomination:the sunday before the election one poll had her five down, the other poll had her seven down, and she won by 13. how do you explain that? that's 20 points. >> yeah. >> so i have no idea what's going on with polling these days, but i do know this. the polls did not have the democrats winning in georgia and they both win. polls did not have the mcbeth

getting majority in her district but they did. anybody who believes that donald trump will get 30% of the black male vote or 12% of the black female vote, i've got a bridge down there on johns island i'll sell you. >> let's bring in democratic congressman jim clyburn in south carolina. he's the national co-chair for the biden campaign. you know, jim, that reminds me of two things. one is when a person running trump's campaign back in 2020 tried to tell me he was going to get 20% of the black vote in 2020. i said no, he isn't. the other thing it reminds me of when i get elected at 30, 31, i lied to people coming in. okay. how did you win and what do i need to do to win and they start talking about, these republicans, these white republicans talk about how they are going to be the ones that crack the code and they will get 30%, 40% and i said no, you

won't you'll get 5% and if you work real hard you'll get the numbers up. the trump people are doing it again. you talk about how you hear this year in and year out and it never comes to fruition for republicans. >> first of all, thank you very much for having me, joe. you know, i don't understand why these platitudes that get thrown out there, trump and others, especially some of the sycophants, are some of these people who really carry the message that we all know where it emanates from. a lot of people seem to think that that's bible, that that is what is going to happen. the fact of the matter is people know what their conditions are. they watch these candidates. they listen to their rhetoric, and when you say i've done more for african-americans since any president since abraham lincoln, then you have one of your supporters out here saying that all of a sudden things are going

good doing jim crow and come -- and lbj comes along, lyndon johnson and because of his programs things got bad for the black family. what were his programs? number one, the 1964 civil rights act. the 1965 voting rights act. the 1968 fair housing law. getting rid of red lining and keeping black families in slum conditions. that is a problem? and you're telling me that your guy proposing that we get rid of these kinds of programs and now health care. remember, president trump's big problem with john mccain is that he cast a deciding vote that

made the affordable care act continue to exist. now you're telling me that black families are going to reward him for that? i just saw the editor from mr. tomasy's peace, and i've been saying to weeks and even months now to my friends that joe biden has a quiet constituency that nobody is looking at, nobody is listening to, but they are showing up in these polls, so i don't know what the people are saying to the pollsters, but i know what they are saying to me when i walk through airports. i just came in n from san diego, and i spent a lot of time in the airport in the last several days and people are coming up to me very quietly saying keep doing

what you're doing. things are going to be fine come november. i tell you there's a quiet constituency that joe biden has and it will show up big time come november. >> reverend al is with us, and he has a question for you, jim. rev. >> congressman, happy juneteenth day. you are -- before you went to come you and your wife came out of the civil rights movement that really helped us to gain in your very young years the voting rights act, and a lot of this race is not about too old or two white men fighting in a retirement home who is the best, it's not about whose side are we on but they are on our side, and i think what you can outline to our viewers is the difference, the contrast in what trump has stood for. i mean, we lost affirmative

action under him, voting rights has been affirmed, and what biden has been able to do. people don't vote for who side they are on, it's on who is on their side. >> yes. and let me tell you something. two words that can sum up both sides of this issue. joe biden offers freedom. freedom to vote. freedom of reproductive rights, the kinds of freedom that people hold dear. the other side offer favor. you vote for me, and i will favor you in this way, that way or the other. what are you going to do to for my communities, for my family, for me personally? that is something that the other side has failed to put forward, so i'm telling you. this campaign is about freedom versus favor. >> representative cliburn, this is eddie glaud.

it's great to see with you. i agree with you that the trump campaign will get 30% of the black vote doesn't make any sense. the numbers they are touting don't make sense. are you worried about turnout? are you worried about not so much folks voting for donald trump but voters that produced a warnock and assoff? what about black voter turnout? are you worried about that? >> that's what the other side -- yes, i'm worried about that, not because i don't think the interest is there and we are going to be able to -- to turn people out based upon our platform. what i worry about is the misinformation, the disinformation, the stuff that's happening on social media that people repeat and then mainstream media rather than report is as it is, tend to

repeat it. it's one thing to report. it's something else to repeat, and you keep repeating this rather than explaining exactly what's happening, that could depress turnout. the other side know that, and that's why they keep saying these ridiculous things because they believe that if they get it repeated often number by the mainstream media, people will be depressed and then the vote will be suppressed. >> all right. democratic congressman jim clyburn of south carolina, always great to see you. i appreciate you being here. >> thank you very much. happy juneteenth. >> all right. happy juneteenth. donny deutsch, let's talk about the fact that, you know, as an ad guy, as an ad legend, a branding legend, you understood that if you overpromised or you said your product could do something that it couldn't do,

that it didn't do, then you were going to lose the confidence of the consumers and that -- and they would walk away. here you have donald trump as jim just said, you have donald trump saying that his -- he's the greatest president for black americans since abraham lincoln. now, that's a bold-faced lie, everybody knows it. everybody knows that he, the republicans fought hard against voting rights measures, the expansion of voting rights measures, fought hard against affirmative action. republican attorneys state by state by state trying to kill affirmative action. his supreme court finally did. black voters know this. i mean, can -- can there be enough disinformation out there to -- to drive them from the polls, or as jim said do people know how they are living? the quality of their life, who is for them and who is against them? >> look, one real in

advertising. you brought up advertising. the consumer is not stupid, and it doesn't matter what color you are. consumers have a good sniff test. let's not forget that donald trump, what he horrifically did, calling for the execution of the central park five, five young african american men who were wrongly convicted, and he never walked it back. let's not forget about housing discrimination that he and his father were accused and actually confirmed of. i think that people have a sniff test, and donald trump has never been for any underdog, any group, any group that has challenges. donald trump has always been for the -- for the silver spoon crowd, although he talks to the other crowd which is one of the great ironies of all time, but i do believe that i think the congressman is completely correct. i think anybody that believes any of those numbers about black voters, i think the bridge he's going to sell them is a good idea. >> and were you right to bring

up the central park five. the rev brings up the central five all the time. the young men, they were just kids at the time, the young men falsely accused, spent time in prison. donald trump called for their execution. still never apologize the after dna testing proved that they were innocent, but that's donald trump. donny deutsch, thanks so much for being with us. appreciate it as always, and come up it looks like trump has been shamed into actually staying in milwaukee for the republican national convention. i'm sure he doesn't like that. we'll explain it to you ahead on "morning joe." that. we'll explain it to you ahead on "morning joe."

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>> new nigeria county is a good clean town strong of hard working wives and handssome smiling musses or at least it uses to be. >> new nigeria county police. what's your emergency? >> hello, my name is caren walker. i need protection against the violent criminal who has infiltrated this neighborhood and is stealing from our homes. >> he's wearing cargo shorts. he's clearly a member of the

life left gang. it turns out the boy walking across the street was walking in his own home. imagine that. >> caren, i've been watching the reports. >> that european american lady doesn't look like she's in the change. >> maybe she's one of the good ones. >> and now our new neighbors will stop at nothing until the whole town is brainwashed by their woke agenda. >> can't treat people like this, caren. your behavior towards my family is rude and i think you're a racist. >> but i won't stand for it. someone has to stand for traditional matters. >> the white lives matter signs help raise money for american victims of police violence. >> what about all lives? don't all lives matter? what about my life specifically? >> that's a clip from the new audio book "new nigeria county," a satire that flips the script on race and gender inequality. it tells the story of a white family that moves into an

affluent back community and when a misunderstanding between neighbors escalates the entire town is soon swept up in the drama, and the author of the audio book claire brown joins us now. claire, congratulations. >> thank you. >> we talked in the break how interested we are in this. what's the genesis of the story itself? >> yeah. this story started on tiktok. i started making tiktok videos in 2020, all kind of flipping the script, and i created this character caren walker, and she sort of is a microaggressor, right. so she sort of does microaggressions against european americans and so i created this fictional universe, all kind of centered around this one woman. >> so what do you take as the aim of the satire? what are you trying to expose? what's the arc of the narrative?

>> definitely. i started my videos around george floyd's death and i noticed a lot of black americans were talking about their experiences with microaggressions. and i noticed that our white counterparts were shocked. they were like what? this happens in 2020? i can't believe it, and i thought that there was an empathy gap, right, so people just weren't understanding when we were saying that was our experience, and so why not make white people experience what we experience, so why not make white people experience what we experience, so flipping it around, and people always tell me it makes them understand what we are talking about. oh, i can see how microaggressions are anything but micro. and how you are constantly

navigating places that aren't built for and you what that can feel like. >> how do we take it from empaw sea to actually changing the circumstances, because as i pick up from your audio book, you are talking about people microaggression in a certain area, but what protects them in the long run? it's not just about getting a therapist and saying why can't we get along? it's what protects us from having things like george floyd by law, and what protects other things not as far as murder but housing and access to capital and all. how do we bring the discussion there? >> i don't know if i have a solve, but i do kind of talk about kind of the protection that certain people have within their communities, so new

nigeria county, there's a community where corrin lives and it's very affluent. we kind of see this encircle of the moment and there's an inciting incident at the begin of the auto book, and corrin sees what might be a gang member and it's her new neighbor's son, and she calls the cop on them. the neighbors are trying to advocate for themselves and corrin is trying to defend her neighborhood. one thing that is important to me, this story is a circle. when you look at it, it's really a circle with the antagonist starting and ending in the same place. i don't necessarily have a solve on how to fix microaggressions, but i can show the experience in a way that makes people think about it and not dismiss it, which is so easy to do.

that's what you get here with new nigeria county. >> the new audio book is on sale now. clare brown, thank you very much. >> thank you. next on "morning joe," we will go over the dangerous heat wave blanketing states across the country as many people remain under an extreme weather alert. and then democratic national committee joining us. ining us ♪ ingrezza is clinically proven for reducing td. most people saw results in just two weeks. people taking ingrezza can stay on most mental health meds. only number-one prescribed ingrezza has simple dosing for td: always one pill, once daily. kau mitt u mitt or actions in pats with huntington's disease. pay close attention to and call your doctor

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right now millions of americans across the country are getting blasted by a brutal heat wave. this week when you open the weather app it shows you the middle finger emoji. >> it's so hot this week the lobster will climb in a pot just to cool off. it's so hot in south carolina,

kristi noem's dogs are shooting themselves. welcome to "morning joe." it's very -- going to be very hot, wednesday, june 19th, juneteenth. with us, let's bring in the host of "way too early," and jonathan lemire, al sharpton, and professor at princeton university. we are going to get to the record-setting heat first, but reverend, let's talk juneteenth. >> it's very important. juneteenth is a celebration and also a reminder that abe lincoln

signed the emancipation proclamation in 1863. those in texas were not even aware they had been freed until june 19th, 1865. for 2 1/2 years slaves continued to work as slaves in texas until the union army came in and made clear they were free and enforced it. the reason i think it's so important, joe, today, the issues in this election for people like me is around states rights, and it's where you have states -- i was in florida last night trying to ban books and not letting women have the right to choose, and not protecting women, blacks, history, studies and other things. and communicating, when you get your news from the wrong source

you can be freed and don't even know it. >> eddie, one more striking reminder that even when progress is made, we have to keep striving to enforce those laws, keep striving to move towards a more perfect union. >> absolutely, joe, and to echo what rev said, freedom is not an end. it's not something that happens and we can just wipe -- clean our hands and move forward. freedom is a practice. we have to constantly defend it in our lived relationships with others. juneteenth is not a simply a holiday for black folk but it's a holiday for the nation to really understand its journey in relation to the very, very vexed question on what do we mean by freedom, and we are still grappling with that question today. >> still grappling with it and

will for a long time. the goal is to be moving in the right direction and that's a lot of what the next six months is about. let's talk about off the top on what we heard, which is, i mean, it's hot. it is hot across the northeast. there are record temperatures across a lot of states and a heat index is soaring over 100 degrees from texas, yes, to maine. the heat continues to hover over the midwest, and people experiencing more than 100 record highs possible today through saturday. even nighttime lows with bring records for heat. there also may be no end in sight, and that will be for at least the next three to four

weeks, and this should come as no surprise, according to nasa the last ten years have been the hottest on record. jim palmieri, i'm sorry, i don't know where climate deniers go. i am not talking about the forecast this week or what is going to happen next week, but i am talking about what has happened over the last 20 years. one record after one record after another record is broken, and the heat, the last ten years have been the hottest. if you go back 150 years or however long we actually have been recording temperatures, number 1 through 10 are the last 10 years, and it just keeps getting worse. >> and it's not just the heat. it's the extreme weather, it's the weird storms, the microburst storms. a lot of people accept that

things have changed, whether or not they accept that human actions are responsible for it and there's something to be done about it is a big question. it does feel and polling shows that people are understanding there has been a change and it's something that people have to adapt to. the -- i mean, i think a heat dome, that's new, right? i don't remember hearing that term before. >> jonathan lemire, you're our practicing meteorologist here. heat dome, what in the world is that? >> yeah, i don't have my board to point to with the forecast, but we have had heat domes before, sadly, but it's basically when the heat shows up and gets stuck. i believe the jet stream has a role here and keeps it in place. what it means is punishing heat for days, and it's not going

anywhere. it's also something where further evidence of climate change and it disproportionately impacts the least advantaged in our country, the poor, and we encourage everybody to try and stay as cool as possible in the next week or so and check on your neighbors, the elderly and vulnerable in the next few days. coming up, we will talk to dnc chair, jamie harrison trying to prioritize the state for this year's elections. "morning joe" coming right back.

♪ ♪ let's talk, jonathan, about the dustup yesterday about donald trump that can't really seem stop from kicking the most city, the most important city in american politics over the next six months, and that, of course, is the largest city in wisconsin, which is seen as an

ultimate swing state. he's now backtracking, but he was, according to the chicago police, he was planning to stay in chicago during the republican national convention in milwaukee. his about-face came officer reporters found out he was going to be staying in the windy city instead of milwaukee when it reportedly involved trump staying in trump tower commuting 90 miles north. of course, trump lied and told nbc that he had planned to stay in milwaukee all along, but hours later chicago law enforcement confirmed that they were, in fact, planning for security for a trump stay during the rnc convention as recently as yesterday and had been coordinating safety measures, and the trump campaign abruptly

changed their minds yesterday and communicated with the city to say, eh, we're not coming to see the cubs after all. trump told republican lawmakers in a private meeting last week that the city was, quote, horrible. one week later when he's in wisconsin, he, quote, loves milwaukee. jonathan lemire, you think they could handle this a little better, but the guy has contempt for milwaukee and doesn't matter how much they spin it on fox news, and they were saying it was misinformation, and not if you take what the republicans were saying around the room, and they said he didn't say it and then admitted to saying it, and it was back and forth and back and forth. he like many republicans have a

real problem with milwaukee. >> yeah, i first did meteorology, now i will do geography. milwaukee is the biggest city and arguably the biggest battleground on the map in wisconsin. this is not new for trump. trump, back in 2016, the rnc was in cleveland and he attacked cleveland repeatedly saying he doesn't understand why the rnc would be there. trump is a known creature of habit and likes to sleep in his own bed at night, and he flies to get back to mar-a-lago or wherever it might be. jen, this points to a bigger issue. biden campaign feared once the trial was over and americans started tuning in over the summer and more in the fall that trump will make self-destructive

acts or comments. this feels like it could be one of them. even if he alienates some suburban residents who have pride in milwaukee or whatever. >> or the bucs. yeah, i did not realize that about cleveland as well, that he would trash talk cleveland in 2016. he does it. this is a thing, right? he wants to stay in trump hotels. there's not a trump hotel in milwaukee and that's why he wants to stay in chicago. also, i wonder if he doesn't want to be in someplace where he loses, and if he lost in wisconsin before, if he doesn't want to go back there -- i do think some republicans in wisconsin don't love milwaukee either, but it does seem to, like, get at some kind of pride at the state when you are attacking their biggest city.

the more he's on -- you know, there's a lot of crazy stuff he said in wisconsin last night, and the more he's on the campaign trail the more fodder there is. >> i think that i have noticed he's very selective on the cities he attacks. they usually have black mayors and a large urban community. i had the mayor on "politics nation" the other night, and he never attacks certain cities that has some of the same challenges. we are getting ahead of ourselves, and his sentencing is days before that and the judge may have other accommodations. i don't know if that's

possible -- >> the rev broke the code, really. after trump trashed milwaukee, people were saying he would never say that, and then we were figuring out he did say that, and it was about crime and the brewers' relievers and it was about this and that, and it wasn't. he trashed milwaukee. if you read the article surrounding it, republicans in wisconsin had been trashing milwaukee for a very long time. it's all, as the rev said, it's about cities with urban populations with black mayors, and they are going to see how many black votes they can steal in philadelphia because philadelphia is so corrupt. and now there's a piece out about donald trump trashing detroit. it comes down to we heard what he said about africa and

caribbean nations and might as well say it about cities, too, where it's a predominantly black population, donald trump will not like that city. >> you add that to the conspiracy theory that these are the places that led to the election being stolen. when he was talking about 2020, what was happening in atlanta and in milwaukee and what was happening in detroit and philadelphia. it makes it difficult for him to be in milwaukee making the case, right, that the election was stolen in 2020, right, when, in fact, he's holding his convention in the city that he thinks participated in the heist, as it were. not only is it race but cuts against the grain of the theory he's been spouting since the election. and then putin meeting with kim jong-un, and they're

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happening right now, russian president vladimir putin's meeting with kim jong-un, the north korea leader -- think washington, d.c. in 2025 if donald trump wins. it has been 24 years since putin visited the recluesive nation as his war on ukraine stretches into another summer. north korea's ability to arm russia with weapons and artillery is critical for putin's war aims. as both leaders face escalating

standoffs with the west we are learning they signed a deal to help each other in case the other is attacked. let's bring in jon meacham. we are seeing a shift here. there was a time not so long ago when russia was largely dependent on germany and other countries of the european union, and china has been depending more and more on europe and the west for quite sometime. you are seeing -- according to a great piece in the "atlantic detroit," and you are seeing the axis of evil, with north korea, communist china, and the most communist nations on earth coming together to unite against the west, and to unite against

nato and america and freedom. i have to say, the most frightening part of that -- i mean, because standing alone doesn't cause a concern if you look at our economic might and military might, but the most concerning part of that alliance is that donald trump considers himself to be close friends with every one of those tyrants. >> that's the picture that we should all focus on right now. arguably, the most important part of this unfolding political campaign is that the republican nominee wants to be in that frame. he wants to be walking through squares like that. by his own admission, he admires that. he admires the authoritarianism and the toughness. i would just say to all of my friends, and your friends, too, who consider themselves reagan republicans, look at these

images and explain to me -- explain to us why somehow or another it's in the american interest to support vladimir putin against america intelligence agencies and against american interest, against the long-standing and sometimes ambivalent and sometimes unsuccessful and sometimes contradictory, but persistent support of democracies around the world on the part of the united states. our collective security after world war ii was based on the idea that democracies tended not to go to war with each other, and autocracies tended to go to war against democracies. that's the pattern, and it doesn't necessarily predict the future but it's a pretty good diagnostic guide. if you want to understand the global stakes of what we are facing, those shall the images

to show. >> you know, what is so remarkable here, jon meacham, you look at donald trump's words, and we talked about the peter millar republicans in the clubhouse sitting there, well, it's republican versus democrat, and biden, he's socialist, how is your 401(k)? doing better than ever. how are your stocks? breaking records every day, but he's a socialist, so i will vote for the republican acting as if this is dole versus clinton in 1996. let's look at the words, and your friends and my friends, how do they justify the fact that they are still considering vote voting for a guy that called president xi and asked him about

building concentration camps, and trump said, yeah, sounds great. he praised president xi as being incredibly powerful with an iron fist, a brilliant guy with a iron fist, and respected he could repress citizens, and he called putin brilliant. then, of course, he went on and on about his love letters to kim jong-un, a man who considered to be the most bloodthirsty tyrant on the face of the globe. this is some of your friends and my friends and some of your family and some of my family and everybody on fox is supporting. >> it's one of the great

puzzles -- i mean this. i can argue the domestic side. i understand -- i don't agree with it but i understand the taxes and judge's argument for domestically supporting the republican nominee, whoever it might be. boy, we have now tested three times whoever it might be. but this one doesn't make sense to me. this is a party whose modern -- most recent incarnation before the trumpification of it. it was the former president of the actor screens guild. not a single american troop was in a forward combat position,

and it was the product, yes, of a bipartisan coalition where we argued about the relative projection of force against soviet tyranny, but we never argued about the fact of soviet tyranny, not in a serious way. here you have a three-time republican nominee for president, right? nixon got it four times. that's the record. so donald trump is closing in on richard nixon and his republican record for winning the nomination. we have a nominee that argues that russia is a more reliable partner than his own intelligence agencies, and supports the rawest kind of aggression against neighbors, which is the tenant of the international order. coming up, we will look at the life and legacy of one of

baseball's most greatest players, willie mays. he passed away yesterday at the age of 93. mike and the panel will be right back to talk about that. ♪ limu emu... ♪ and doug. (bell ringing) limu, someone needs to customize and save hundreds on car insurance with liberty mutual. let's fly! (inaudible sounds) chief! doug. (inaudible sounds) ooooo ah. (elevator doors opening) (inaudible sounds) i thought you were right behind me. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, ♪ ♪ liberty. ♪ while i am a paid actor, and this is not a real company, there is no way to fake how upwork can help your business. upwork is half the cost of our old recruiter and they have top-tier talent and everything from pr to project management because this is how we work now.

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lucky, she convinced me to get help. i had a concussion that could've been game over. in actual reality, you've only got one life. don't mess with your melon. if you hit it, get it checked. there's a long driveway back in center field, way back, back, and it's -- willie mays -- what seemed like an obstacle illusion to a lot of people. >> if you watch baseball as much as my family and i watch baseball, you know that this is the catch in major league baseball history against which

all other remarkable catches are measured. that's hall-of-famer, willie mays making the most of the famous catch in history and in the game during the '54 world series, which his team would ultimately win. the baseball legend passed away yesterday at the age of 93. mays add the rare combination of power and speed and defense, playing center field for new york and the san francisco giants. mays was an four-time all-star, and he missed two seasons in the early 1950s while serving in the army during the korean war. he was the first and oldest living hall-of-famer until his death yesterday. the world series mvp trophy is

named after him. he said because of willie is why somebody like me can even think of running for president. best-selling author, mike lupica. mike barnicle, how do you put into words all that willie mays did and all that willie mays meant to baseball and america? >> well, it's pretty hard to put it into words, joe. that clip taken on september 29th, 1954, willie racing out to center field, deep center field in the old pollo grounds, and willie mays from birmingham, alabama, made that catch. he is the greatest major league player in history, ever.

no doubt about that. it's also indicative of how much has changed in the game in america. i mean, that game was a wednesday afternoon game. a world series game played on wednesday afternoon. i remember watching that game vividly. i was watching the tv in the window of a furniture store with a crowd of people around. it was indicative of the fact that so many black ball players, maybe just as great as willie mays, were never given the chance to be willie mays. this saturday -- i think thursday, in rickwood field in birmingham, alabama, home of the black barrons, the san francisco giants are playing the st. louis cardinals. willie was supposed to be there. i can remember having dinner with willie mays in new york,

and he could remember ever pitch he ever took or every pitch he hit and who he hit it off of in the major leagues. he was a spectacular human being. >> and also, mike, another kid from the state that my all-time sports hero was from, hank aaron. they shared a lot of similarities. two of the greatest players to ever play the game. i have to say, though, many would agree with mike barnicle that willie mays was the greatest all around player of all-time. what do you say? >> when you watch that catch in the '54 world series, you remember the great line from fresco, and he said willie mays' glove is where triples go to die. willie mays had such a great

description of what he was like on a baseball field. with babe ruth, you wanted to see him do one thing. with willie, you wanted to see him do everything. the only thing that can you tell younger people is, he was michael jordan at that time. vince gully once told me willie mays is someone we must pass on, that he was not just somebody relegated to the best, and he was the best pound for pound baseball player. he hit 660 home runs and spent most of his career in candlestick park in the wind, cold and rain. there's no telling how many home runs he missed out on. he was 5'11". he played the game with flare. the old cardinals manager called him the magic man, and that's what he was. i heard somebody say one time, the genius is something that you look at and think, well, if i

got really good i could do that. then there was magic. willie mays from the start of his career, and even when he was old, there was magic, like, i was standing with him in spring training when he came one time to come coach with the mets. he said what bothers me is people who only saw me when i was old forget what i was like when i was young. i said with all due respect, sir, no, they have not forgotten. >> no, no, they have not, nor will they as long as the game of baseball is played. you know what is so fascinating? jonathan lemire, mike something so right, willie mays was michael jordan 30 years before michael jordan was michael

jordan. willie mays was doing what willie mays was doing and was a hero to millions of kids in the '50s and in the '60s. liking a good bit of hank aaron's career before the civil rights act and the voting rights act passed. a hero to so many. just like jackie robinson, a guy that actually did so much more than just starred in baseball games. he helped lead america out of the dark ages on civil rights, like so many baseball heroes. >> yeah, thursday's game in alabama will be a beautiful and important moment. it was always going to be about willie mays, and it still will be but with a such of sadness now that he passed.

still the all around baseball hero we have all seen. he won 12 gold gloves as noted, and the gold glove award was not invented until six years into his career, so he probably would have had 15 or 16 more in total. a truly, truly extraordinary. reverend, his impact was not just on the field but off the field, what he meant for black americans and americans at large. >> he meant more than you could really put into words. i grew up in the '60s and '70s, and you must remember in the '60s and '70s, the baseball giants, particularly in new york, were mickey man dull and roger maris. willie mays made us feel like we could be part of america's pastime. i was not born when jackie robinson broke the color line,

but willie mays broke the color line before the civil rights act, and towards the end of the '60s you had a mohamud ali that was a rebel. willie mays, he didn't make a lot of speeches. i met him a couple times, and he was like hank aaron, he spoke with his bat and skill. i was in elementary school, and we could go to school with our chest out because we felt like we belonged. >> looking at willie mays -- i am young and never saw him play, but hank aaron, mobile, alabama, these southerners out there doing amazing things. what they illustrated, and what mays illustrated for me as a

young southern kid is excellence. that is to say that you own your craft. you be the best at it as possible. so it's through his example of excellence, and he spoke against jim crow in a specific way. >> when he made that catch at the age of 23, it was his first full season in the major leagues in 1954. where had he been prior to that? serving in the united states army. >> that's right. >> absolutely. coming in, we will check in with the nation's doctor, and he's calling for a warning label on social media. you're watching "morning joe." "

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♪ ♪ the congressional budget office is forecasting a 400 billion increase, and it's 27% higher than the watchdog's estimate back in february. social security and medicare are among the key factors driving that up. the debt will top $56 trillion by 2034 as spending and interest expenses continue to outpace tax revenues. steve, let me bring you in. former treasury official and "morning joe" economic strategist, steve with us, and jon meacham. i was complaining about a $4

trillion debt deficit. this seemed to be unmanageable. it kept exploding through the bush years and obama years and then spiked precipitously went up when republicans and donald trump were in power, over four years, the national debt went up more in donald trump's four years than anytime over the past 200 years, all the presidents before him. it continues to go up, and whether there's a democratic or republican talk about the risks that we face as a nation, and what we need to do to bring that debt down? >> so, first of all, joe, the risks are enormous, but just to put this in a little bit of context, as you well know, president clinton left office with a surplus in the office. we still had debt, but we were starting to pay it down.

and george w. bush came into office and famously changed, deficits don't matter, reagan improved it, and we went off into deficit land, where we have been ever since. obviously, we had crises like 2008 that we had to respondent to. and there was a pretty valiant effort by president obama after that to rye to get the deficit down, but we didn't make that much progress. and trump came along with this huge tax cut that he said would be paid for, and it turns out it ended up costing almost $2 trillion according to cbo numbers of extra debt, simply from his one tax cut. and we had covid, which we hadded to deal with, obviously. and now here's where we are, as you just said. i think the dangers -- a couple of the dangerous -- the first danger is that if trump comes back, his tax cuts actually expire mostly next year. he wants to extend them. the cbo has said that would cost $4 trillion more to extend his tax cuts, so that's more debt.

and there's really no sense anymore that we need to bring the deficit down, although president biden does have a policy that would bring it down somewhat, but the urgency is not there. what are the dangers -- look, there are two potential dangers. one is something cataclysmic, where we wake up one day, and the people who die our debt now, which are actually americans, not the chinese anymore as much, but also of american pension funds, they suddenly wake up and say, we're not going to buy all of this debt, and you have a huge increase in interest rates and a huge increase in the federal government's borrowing rates. the other potential outcome, which i think is slightly more likely, is a little bit like the parable of the boiled frog, that we just keep adding debt and interest costs to our budget, and those interest costs just keep pushing out all the important things we need to do in government priorities. you know, everything from spending to national parks to cleaning up the environment. whatever you want to do is going to get squeezed out, as we have

to pay more and more interest on that debt. >> so, steve, what percentage of the gdp is our debt now? i know it's over 100%. >> it's a bit over 100%, but obviously heading high. and you did ask me, also, like, what do we do about it or what's part of the problem? a lot of the problem is we have cut taxes so much. and so the federal government's tax rate as a share of the gdp, which used to be just under 20%, around 19%, is now more like 16%, because of all of these tax cuts. and so we -- you know, look, it's not something that politically is so easy to say, but we have to raise taxes. obviously, we have to raise taxes on the people, on the companies that can most afford them. but we are operating in a fantasyland right now where we can have all of these tax cuts, these deficits, and not have to worry about the debt. so taxes have to go up. trump wants to cut them again. that is completely irresponsible >> and jon meacham, just to go

through these numbers, just for anybody out there that is under the mistaken impression that there's one party that cares more about deficits or debt than the other, just not the case. when i left congress in 2001, we had a $155 billion surplus. george w. bush became president, the national debt was $5.6 trillion. it jumped up to over $11 trillion. barack obama became president, it went from $11 trillion to $19 trillion over his eight years. again, these are just -- these are horrible numbers. but then donald trump comes into power, and it's around $19 trillion, and it jumps@:hsçnxxá trillion, much closer to $30 trillion, the damage he did in four years. just on fiscal issues alone, unspeakable. but, john, the biggest problem

is there is just not the political will to be responsible and plan ahead to make sure that this debt doesn't cripple america. because we're moving in a direction where it will cripple this country economically, by extension, the world's economy. >> yeah, well, you and steve were talking, i was thinking about two things. one was an early diary entry from george h.w. bush, when he's president-elect in 1988, in december, and he talks about how he read that book, "the rise and fall of the great powers," remember, paul kennedy. >> paul kennedy. >> was an essential part of that. and how existential that was. and for which he in some ways sacrificed his presidency, when he abandoned his no new taxes f pledge, which helped set the conditions for the surplus you're talking about. the other is, these numbers, it reminds me of saying attributed

to stalin, you know, $1 million is real, trillions are a statistic. it's just, you know, i think it's just a very difficult matter of political public education to lay this out. and to say there's no political will is kind of an insult to political -- it's just not remotely there. so let's save democracy and them fix the fiscal problem. still ahead, we're going to have an update on the record temperatures that are going across the country, just skyrocketing. and it's going to be happening probably over the next several weeks. plus, we'll have some tips from leading health experts on how to keep cool amid the heat wave. "morning joe" will be right back. heat wave "morning joe" will be right back

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now, this morning, our time, vladimir putin and kim jong-un hanging out together, the same vladimir putin that donald trump said trusted more than his own intel officials. a question you asked several summers ago. but there is no doubt that vladimir putin kim jong-un and president xi are forming this alliance together, hostile to the united states of america, hostile to our best interests, and remarkably enough, they have an ally in none other than donald trump. >> yeah, they do. putin in north korea today, first time in decades. we could add iran in the midst, as well. also supplying russia with weapons to use in their ongoing invasion of ukraine. and indeed, putin made a rare visit to north korea, meeting one on one with kim jong-un. the two nations announced a plan to boost their ties with the north korean leader vowing his

full support of russia's ongoing war in ukraine. nbc news international correspondent, janis mackey frayer has all the details. >> reporter: overnight, russian president vladimir putin was welcomed on a red carpet by kim jong-un, and lavished with the warmth of a good friend, even debating over who would be first to get into kim's luxury car, that incidentally was a gift from putin. the two leaders outcast and isolated, have been drawn closer by the war in ukraine, now reaching a strategic partnership agreement after meeting one on one for two hours. during the visit, projecting unity, side by side, walking past soldiers, horses, and crowds of children. the state department said tuesdayhñetmjñu= that north kor unlawfully provide 11,000 containers of munitions to russia. >> north korea is providing significant munitions to russia. >> reporter: tension between moscow and washington is at a

high, with americans still being held in russia, including paul whealan and evan gershkovich, whichkf the state department consider wrongfully detained. and just today, a u.s. soldier, gordon black, was sentenced to nearly four years to a penal colony on charges of theft and assault by a woman he traveled to russia to see. for putin, his last visit to north korea was 24 years ago to meet kim's father. today, he told the younger kim he was impressed with how pyongyang had changed. since then, putin's position in the world has changed, too. the visit revealing how dependent he is on russia's few partners. >> that's nbc's janis mackey frayer with that report. but joe, while certainly a disturbing alliance here, it also does underscore russia's weakness. having to turn to the hermit kingdom, in order to fully supply their war, because they

have run out of their own sort of weapons and we're seeing the toll of western sanctions on their military industry complex. >> the hermit kingdom. so, just for americans to put that in perspective, as far as economic might goes, you can combine russia's gdp with north korea's gdp and it is not even half of california's gdp. combining both of their gdps, it's not even on par with the gdp of texas every year. so, yeah, he's having to scrape the bottom of the barrel, when he's going to north korea. íj?m=f

so when you're looking at trading partners, he's looking east. and what he's seeing is a far more bleak world. and here again, you combine the combined gdps of those two men's country, it's not even the size of texas' economy every year. speaking of texas, it's hot in texas. you know where else it's hot? everywhere else on the east coast, from texas, all the way up to maine. tomorrow, the first official day of summer, but 73 million americans are already under severe heat alerts, with the national weather service predicting new record highs in multiple cities by the end of the week. meanwhile, out west, the searing temperatures are fueling fast-moving wildfires. nbc news correspondent mara barrett has the latest on that.

>> this morning, there's no relief from the unrelenting heat, as scorching temperatures expand from the midwest to the northeast. >> i'm not looking forward to this week all the. it's going to be a killer. >> 11 cities tying or hitting record highs on tuesday, with another 75 heat records poised to fall by the end of the week. in syracuse, the heat index topping 100 degrees, while as far north as maine, it's expected to feel like 102 degrees. >> it's hot. really, really hot. >> it's sweltering out here. >> the historic temperatures triggering air quality alerts in six states, and with many reaching in the teens, people are doing whatever they can to stay cool. >> hats, sunglasses, drinking a lot of you know, cold??r&)e֖ i. >> americans up and down the east coast feeling the heat, even at the white house, where a member of the press corps fainted during tuesday's briefing. >> oh, hold on.

did somebody pass out? >> reporter: out west, the extreme heat and strong winds fueling more than 20 wildfires. california's firefighters working 24-hour shifts to help get them under control. in southern california, the post fire now over 15,000 acres burned, while in the northern part of the city, the site fire tripling in size andáoc&v just contained. it's been tough, because, we've never been through this before. >> in new mexico, a state of emergency is in effect, after two fast-moving fires merged, leaving one person dead and residents told to evacuate immediately. >> man. a little later this hour, we'll be talking to nbc news medical contributor, dr. vin gupta. he'll give us some advice on how to handle the extreme temperatures, particularly for those with respiratory elements. to politics now, and donald trump. he's backtracking on a plan to

stay at his hotel in chicago during the republican national convention in milwaukee! the about-face came after reporters found out about his logistical plans, which reportedly involve trump staying at trump tower in the windy citx and commuting 90 milesiñ the host city of milwaukee, which, of course, donald trump said was a terrible town. trump, of course, disputed those reports, telling an nbc affiliate, he had planned to stay in milwaukee all along. but hours later, chicago law enforcement did confirm that they were, in fact, planning security for a trump stay during the rnc convention as recently as yesterday, and had been coordinating safety measures with the trump campaign both in person in by phone. according to the chair of the city council'so,

the dnc will be hosting the convention in mid-august, in chicago. i don't know if it was a memory lapse, jamie, or what it was, but donald trump was trying to stay in chicago, according to city officials there, abruptly changed yesterday when that news became public. and the same city that he said was horrible, is now a city that he says, reluctantly, i think, he'll have to stay there during the rnc convention. what does that say to the people of milwaukee and the voters in wisconsin? >> it tells you when donald trump tells you what he believes, believe him the first time. that's why we have billboards all across milwaukee, reminding people what donald trump said. he believes that milwaukee is a good city. it's a great city with great labor traditions and these are hard-working people who go out and work hard each and every day.

and you know, donald trump probably is a little upset that milwaukee, the county that milwaukee is in, is located in, 70% of that vote in milwaukee went to joe biden in 2020, and we'll make sure that even more goes to joe biden in 2024. >> mr. chairman, we took note earlier that it seems that the city that donald trump always castigates just happens to be cities that have black mayors. i don't believe that's a coincidence. and he always hits cities with a large urban population. at the same time, i know that there's been reports that the dnc is also targeting states like florida. i was there last night and there seemed to be a lot of energy, but canr!nvuob reports about florida and how do you feel that there's a real chance offw winning florida? i know there's a lot of issues there about banning books,

there's a large haitian community we're rallying around, a lot of people concerned about that. how do you target florida and how do you deal with trump's habit of hitting black mayors. >> well, reverend al, yesterday, as well, we were in tallahassee. there was a big conference with the state party chair, and many of the candidates that are running, for the first time in 30 years, every seat, every statehouse, every state senate, every congressional seat, we have a democrat running for that seat. and that's the first time that's happened in 30 years. and you know, over the last few years, we have picked up big wins in jacksonville, we have a democratic mayor now in jacksonville, we flipped a republican seat in the statehouse, in a central part of florida. there's a lot of momentum. we know that the reproductive rights and freedoms are going on the ballot this election cycle. so the stars are aligning in florida. and i'm telling people, do

not -- the biggest sleeper of the night may be florida on election day. so we can't skip florida. we have to invest in florida. we have to make sure that we're fighting back against the hatred and bigotry we see in that state led by ron desantis and donald trump. so we're all in, and we're going to be pushing for it. the biden campaign has already opened offices in florida, and we'll continue to make progress over the course of these next few months. and as for the cities, it is important. these mayors are doing some amazing work of transforming their city. and they've been able to do it because of a partnership with joe biden. if you think about it, these mayors have gotten billions of dollars of investments in terms of infrastructure, from the bipartisan infrastructure bill that joe biden7t but it was joe biden that got it

done, the largest investment in our infrastructure since dwight eisenhower. so we'll continue to make investments and see those cities strive and be the excellent cities this they are. >> mr. mayor, good morning. it's jen mereliry. you were in milwaukee last week, comparing the records of president biden with president trump, particularly more black voters. when you're talking with, even beyond speeches and interviews, but when you're talking one on one with black voters, visiting neighborhoods in these cities during your travels, what's the argument that you're making to voters that seem to resonate? >> i talk about the record of this president, particularly for black americans. many americans don't really get the full picture. think about what joe biden has been able to do. he has been one of the most transformative presidents for black america. he changed our primary calendar to evaluate black forces. now, instead of being at the back of the line, black voices are at the front of the line, and picking the most powerful person on the face of this

planet. black judges. joe biden has been transformative. 59 out of 201 judges have been black. he's appointed more black women to the appellate court than all presidents combined. first president to appoint a black woman to the vice presidency, to the u.s. supreme court. on the student loans that disproportionately impact black people, joe biden has led on that. the only president that has led on that. 150-something-billion dollars for almost 5 million people, many of them african-american. the lowest unemployment rate in black america ever. he's tackling issues that are important to black america, like healthcare costs. we've seen just recently the announcement about taking that off credit reports, because that has kept so many black nerns from really living the american dream. ownership programs, black businesses are growing at an astronomical piece. the fastest growth in 30 years. black farmers is something that he really tried to push on.

this is a president that's had a definitive plan for how to make sure that there's equity brought to black america. and i'm proud of him, proud to serve with him, and i'm going to do everything in my pour to make sure he gets re-elected. >> so much of this will be front and center at the debate next week. chairman of the democratic national committee, jamie harrison, thank you very much for joining us this morning. >> thank you. >> and joe, one other thing we should point out about trump wanting to stay in chicago, it's not just that he wanted to stay in chicago, he wanted to stay at a trump property in chicago, and if he stayed at a trump property in chicago, so would all the other secret service agents and other campaign aides, so therefore he could make a profit off of his stay as well. >> well, of course, we talk about his hotel in washington, d.c., which he got before he was president, sold after he was president, but i always think about what he made mike pence do, when i think, were they traveling around ireland or --

yeah, where he made mike pence divert and go far away from an event so pence would have to stay at a trump hotel, as well as all the secret service people. and maybe -- did they stay in scotland? one of the two, but there's no doubt he went out of his way to make sure that the secret service and mike pence'ser whole group had to stay at a trump hotel and spent money there. >> we have spent trump time and time again do this, when he traveled as president, you know, whether it was palm beach or bedminster, certainly, he has aids to always stay at a trump property so he can make some money off of it as well. >> no doubt. israel's military has paused daytime fighting along the route in southern"t backlog of humanitarian aid to get through. but that pause has sparked controversy inside israel's government. we're going to get a live report from nbc's matt bradley in jerusalem. that's next on "morning joe." ru.

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it appears more civilians in gaza are now willing to speak out against hamas as a war with israel continues to drag on. "the new york times" interviewed a dozen residents and many whom say they hold halls responsible for starting the war and adding to the death and destruction. hamas acts in its own interests, adding that the group is, quote, still seeking its slice of power. hamas and here's the money quote, hamas does not know how to get down from the history it climbed. another one, we reiterated that statement saying, quote, they could have surrendered a long time ago and saved us all from this suffering. the 26-year-old lawyer says while most gazans initially supported attack on israel, they now don't support the war

continuing without any goals being accomplished, calling the conflict insanity, quote. those comments coming as hamas has yet to agree on a cease-fire deal with israel. and you know, i've not to say, reverend al, this has been a truth that has not been spoken enough, whether it's in "the new york times" or other media outlets, that hamas was actually unpopular in gaza before october the 7th. hamas remains u1-áxt&ar in gaza even today. and it's something that when we're talking about what comes next, well, you talk to gaza, i'm guessing the majority of them, if you look at past polls or recent comments, the majority in gaza likely don't want hamas there afterward anyway.

they certainly don't want israel running the their land, but hamas hasn't been popular in a long time. they took over power in 2005 and basically have been an authoritarian regime ever since. >> i think clearly they don't want israel to run it, but there's a lot of dissent around what is happening with gaza. and i think that one of the mistakes that we made is looking at people in gaza as a monolith. there was always the battles in the palestinian state or what was a palestinian state of leadership. i remember years ago, when i went and the prime minister at that time, perez, in israel arranged for me to talk with yasser arafat. there was battles then. i do not believe, from my talking to a lot of people that have worked with the palestinian people on the ground, that most

support would happen on october 7th, and certainly don't support hamas after. just like i don't believe a lot of students and people on the ground asking for humanitarian aid with these people that are assaulting people on subways and wearing masks, saying anti-semitic things. and it's time for people to stand up on both sides and say, wait a minute, we're not with that. both of those in gaza that can say that, and those that are saying, we want to see humanitarian aid and a two-state solution stand up and say, wait a minute, we're not with them. we cannot let the extremists on both sides control the noise. >> right, and you look at the questions that we've raised on this show repeatedly, and like ák while netanyahu quietly allowed them to continue getting money illicitly in 2018, he and donald trump looked the other way, when they knew where hamas' illegal

money was coming from, and why netanyahu continued to fund hamas, even up to the october 7th attack, telling doha, just a few weeks before the october 7th attack, yes, please keep funding hamas. the reason why, because hamas like netanyahu, opposed a two-state solution, and hamas, like netanyahu, wanted to undermine the palestinian authority. because they didn't want the palestinian authority to get a foothold in gaza. meanwhile, though, israel's military over the weekend has announced a tactical pause. during certain daytime hours and they're doing it because they want to allow for more aid to enter southern gaza. for a closer look, let's bring in nbc news international correspondent, matt bradley. he's live in jerusalem. matt, get us up to date, if you

will, with the very latest. >> i mean, the latest thing we've been hearing is yet another sort of discordant note between washington and jerusalem. this has created more and more drama. we're seeing the fluent administration, you were talking about the prime minister just a moment ago, falling out once again with the biden administration. this time a direct broadside fired by netanyahu at washington. he had a video yesterday, where he said that washington hadn't been providing the arms that he thinks is necessary, especially since we're starting to see the war on israel's northern border with southern lebanon heating up. then we heard a press conference in the white house, where they essentially said, they don't know what netanyahu was talking about. this is more falling out between these two. we heard an axios report, saying that washington had canceled a cfh because of that issue and, because of this video by benjamin netanyahu. the white house has since denied that report. but this is clearly just another turn of a screw in an unraveling

relationship between washington and jerusalem. and one that really is going to affect the way the war is conducted. but we have seen israel budging a bit. and over the weekend, you mentioned, they imposed what they're calling tactical pauses every single day on the gaza strip. and this is to meet two very serious needs. one is to feed the starving population of the gaza strip. this is an issue we've been hearing about from the beginning. the world health organization gave an update on this last week, where they said some 8,000 children have been diagnosed with acute malnutrition. we also, another issue is protecting aid workers. we heard from the united nations just recently saying that gaza is the most dangerous play in the world to be an aid worker. here's our report. >> this could be the relief that starveg starving gazans have been waiting frp hundreds of trucks loaded with food aid. for several days,9

the u.n. warned last week that parts of gaza faced famine-like conditions. >> children are bearing the brunt. 2332 people have died of starvation, nearly all of them under age 5. under age 5. >> this%md÷q) says her baby son desperate. in many cases, hunger is an added ailment piled on top of other diseases and wounds of war. this 5-year-old is afflicted with a serious rash in addition to severe malnutrition and a protein deficiency. but amidst the tragedies in gaza, the u.s. is struggling to quiet a second front. amos huxstein, a senior u.s. diplomat, met with israeli leaders to try to prevent a full-on war between israel and hezbollah. an iran-backed militant group in southern lebanon. a war there could envelope the entire region, spreading suffering far beyond israel's

borders. >> and joe, we just heard from the idf just now that hezbollah has launched yet another barrage of missiles over the border, into israel. that is situation on israel's northern border that we all need to watch. it has a potential to really burst out into the open, and escalate into a region-wide war. joe? >> i'll tell you what, nbc news international correspondent matt bradley, that is something we greatly appreciate you keeping a close eye on. it is something, obviously, that the biden administration is working around the clock on avoiding, having this israel/hamas war break into a regional war that brings in iran and possibly other countries. coming up, one of the nation's biggest school lg!eewicxok5d one step closer t panning the use of cell phones during the school day. that's great idea. we're going to have those details for you. and the team spending nearly

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it looks like schools in l.a. are one step closer to banning cell phones. nbc news correspondent kaylee hartung reports. >> reporter: this morning, one of the nation's largest school districts, joining a growing effort nationwide to ban cell phones on campus. board members in the los angeles unified school district passing a resolution tuesday that will prevent students from using 3b/ day and limit social media use at school for educational purposes only. according to the resolution, excessive cell phone use can increase depression among students, stifle in-person interaction, and enable cyber bullying. nick melburne is helping to

spearhead the effort. >> they'll be more present, not only with their teachers, but with one another as well. >> reporter: the policy will take effect in january if details on how it will be implemented can be worked out. on the table, age-appropriate enforcement, cell phone storage, like lock pouches or lockers, and using technology to block access to social media platforms. high school music teacher amy louis says she's skeptical about the potential ban, calling it a drastic shift, not just for students, but teachers as well. >> as long as we have any mobile devices, students will always be using it in ways that we might not necessarily want them to. >> reporter: parents' reaction, mixed. >> they socialize more, like hung out with friends. i don't see that that often anymore. >> it is aw;ú form, especially going on. >> reporter: across the country, 77% of schools prohibit cell phones at school for non-academic use. last year, florida became the first state to make public

schools phone-free. now at least half a dozen other states are pushing similar legislation. u.s. surgeon general dr. pra vek murphy calling for legislation on social media. >> a warning label would help parents to understand these risks. >> now with los angeles one step closer to stricter school policy, students are facing the possibility of schools becoming a phone-free zone. >> it makes sense. jen palmieri, this seems kind of like a no-brainer. kids will say, oh, but if i don't have my phone, my parents won't be able to get in touch with me in case of emergency. yeah, they will. there's still a phone in the office. there's still a school interkpom you can still be called out of class. again, this is a no-brainer. if you're at school, be at school. don't be on your phone. >> i heard this -- this is the best thing to come out of l.a. in decades. like, we all got through -- not for us to seem old, but we all

got through school, found out what we needed to know, was able to focus as best we could without phones. yeah, it certainly seems like a no-brainer. >> all right. and let's bring in right now, the u.s. surgeon general, dr. vivek murthy, he joins us now. thank you so much for being with us. with anxiety, depression, suicidal ideations and in extreme cases, suicide being connected to excessive cell phone use, smartphone use for our children, talk about the importance of the warning labels that you want to put on social media. >> well, with thanks soew3pç mu joe.oñsrdh it's good to be with you and jen as well. my concern about social media dates back several years now, to conversations i started having around the country with parents

and kids. parents want to know, is it safe for my kids? last year when i issued an advisory on this topic, what i concluded was two things, is that, one, social media does not have enough evidence behind it to say that it's safe. that question that parents were ask welcome is it safe? the data does not support that it is. instead what we werep+s seeing growing evidence that there were harms, mental health harms associated with social media and our adolescents. so the bottom line is, what we've got to do is ultimately make social media safer, and that's why i called on congress to take a number of measures to protect kids from harmful content that's violence and sexual content, bullying and harassment online, but also to protect them from features that would seek to manipulate their developing brains into excessive use. right now, the average amount of use per day among adolescents is 4.8 hours of social media. and what we see in the data is that adolescents were using three hours more per day, a doubling risk, when it comes to

anxiety and depression symptoms. a warning label, chi called for earlier this week, would help to warn parents about the risks that we see, while we're waiting on congress to ultimately make these platforms safer. >> just like the surgeon general, people that were working inside the tobacco industry in the 1950s, understand the risks and tried to keep it from the public. we have very clear examples of, like, for instance, in the meta study a few years ago, that got leaked that showed that people on facebook understood that instagram in particular did cause added anxiety, added depression, suicidal ideation, especially for younger girls anñ women who used (! you can talk to people in silicon valley, who limit their children's screen time, because they understand that it sort of scrambles their brain or re-wires their brain, shortens

their attention span, adds anxiety and all of these other things. i mean, industry seems to understand this, do they not? . >> well, this is a good question. and to really understand what the industry knows would require data transparency. and the problem right now is researchers are telling us that they have not been able to get access to all the information that the companies have about the metal impa mental health im their products on our kids. i'll say, as a parent myself, i would never want to feel that the products that my children are using, that there's data about their safety that's being hidden from me. the question i wonder about, why is it that we are so, you know, i think astringent and conscientious about assuring we have safety data on other products our kids use, cars they get into, car seats, the food that they eat, the medication

they take, but when it comes to social media, a product that 95% of kids are using, we have not required the kind of safety audits and independent studies that are needed to assess safety. so i do think that's a problem, that's one of the reasons i've called on congress to require that kind of data transparency. it's why i think public audits are really important right now, because, look, i would love to believe that these -- that what the companies are saying about the safety of the product is true, but we need proof, just like we demand with other products that kids use. >> surgeon general, al sharpton. one of the things that comes to mind that i have had to deal with is that when you use cell phones in schools, we find that a lot of the fighting, the gangs, allfw0s ?mfvh that use c phones to do a lot of violent acts. aside from the health issues that you raised in terms of the labor movement, is the fact that we could take the cell phones out of the schools, doesn't that

bring down, in some areas, that many of us have to work with, in terms of young people, it actually will stop a lot of the violence and a lot of the back and forth that leads to the kind of combatting students against students. >> well, al, glad you asked that, because if you talk to teachers in schools as i have, they'll often tell you about what they're seeing, using phones and particularly using social media in schools, not only contributes to bullying and harassment and to some cases violence, but distracts kids from learning. it compares their ability to actually connect with one another and build relationships. i was visiting a school in lincoln, nebraska, a few months ago, a school that had put in place a policy to restrict the use of phones during classroom time. i asked the kids, how did you feel about that, and initially, some of them were uncertain about what the impact would be, but afterward, they said that

they all really enjoyed getting to talk to one another and know one another. some of them had been in school a year or more together, but they hadn't actually built relationships with one another. when you create an environment where people can be without the distraction of social media all the time, what takes over is that natural instinct for us to connect with one another. and finally, keep this in mind. if we listen to parents and

>> right, i mean, it's actually, it's a bit like casinos. they are designed to keep people on there. you talk to mental health counselors, they will tell you, the more tired you are, the more likely you are to stay on these social media sites, and we need to let you go, but i just have to really quickly tie this to something else that you -- a really important issue that you've talked about. and that is the epidemic of loneliness and isolation that is gripping america. you can't talk about that without talking about social media. without talking about technology. without talking about the things that are supposed to connect us, but as you just said, pull us apart. >> joe, i'll just very quickly say on that point, i finished a

college tour recently, talking to students about loneliness and isolation. one of the most common questions they ask me is how are we supposed to build relationships with one another, when the culture is no longer for people to talk to one another in person. this is partly a result of the social media culture that we have. we've got to rebuild social connection for young people. and in-person relationships are different from online relationships. they're richer. we need to cultivate them. and right now our kids are telling us that they need help in doing so. so addressing the harms of social media will be one step in the right direction. >> and these two issues are so massively important. not only for our children, but for all of us. u.s. surgeon general, dr. vivek murthy, thank you so much for being here, and for all that you're doing. coming up, then&óvne weather service is predicting the heat index will reach 104 degrees in -- wait for it, wait for it, caribou, maine -- and 106 degrees in rochester, new

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it's going to be almost 90 degrees today and the humidity might go as high as 60%. that's the danger here is heat and humidity because the more humid it is, the less your ability to sweat out that heat and cool down your body, and that's where people often just won't recognize it until it's too late. >> what are some of the warning signs we should be paying attention to if someone is over heating? >> especially for children and those that are elderly, dizziness is key. are they dizzy is this are they trending towards confusion frankly? are they with it? so if you have older neighbors as an example or young kids somewhere in your neighborhood, make sure that somebody's checking in on them. gastro intestinal symptoms are common. are they as alert as they normally are. what about what should people be drinking? we were talking -- i just pounce on him with all my questions, should you be drinking water? should you be drinking gatorade? what is the most hydrating liquid? >> this is going to surprise some people. it's actually dairy products,

skim milk. the things that are available in the grocery stores go for skim milk or your favorite dairy product. that is going to stay in your body. >> i exercise, do about 30 minutes every day. should you alter exercising or what should you do in the midst of this heat wave that you're not -- as you're doing elliptical or whatever i do that you're not putting yourself in danger of passing out? >> reverend, thank you. >> even if you're working out indoors if it's hot out? >> if it's climate controlled, hopefully not. we should know when you should be outside working out or not e. you want to pay attention to humidity. often there's something that's esoteric called the wet bulb global temperature. no one knows how to find out what that is, so i won't talk

about it, but look at humidity and temperature. if it's going to be 80 degrees or hotter, then look at humidity, and if it's going to be 65% humid or hotter, i would say don't work outside or more humid rather. so 65% humidity or higher, 80 degrees in terms of just the temperature or higher. that's when you want to say, you know what? i'm going to save my workout for indoors if possible. or just don't work out at all. >> obviously seeking air-conditioning, seeking cooler temperatures helpful, but there are people who have no choice. they have to be outside. their job requires them to be outside. how do they stay safe? >> if it's going to be humid and hot, you want to make sure you're every 15 or 20 minutes, i know that might not be reasonable, but if you can take frequent breaks. if it's specifically going to be hot and humid, you want to seek shade. you want to wear head coverings, and that's where you want to have electrolyte replacement. gatorade, diet cola as one

example here. that's when we need to start talking more about humidity, not just temperature. >> such an important conversation, one we're going to have more and more as we continue to set record setting temperatures each and every summer. nbc news medical contributor, dr. vin gupta. thank you for being here this morning. that does it for us this morning. "morning joe" will be back live at 6:00 a.m. eastern tomorrow. ana cabrera picks up msnbc's coverage after a quick final break. coverage after a quick final break. power e*trade's easy-to-use tools, like dynamic charting and risk-reward analysis, help make trading feel effortless. and its customizable scans with social sentiment help you find and unlock opportunities in the market. e*trade from morgan stanley with so many choices on booking.com there are so many tina feys i could be. so i hired body doubles. 30,000 followers tina in a boutique hotel. or 30,000 steps tina in a mountain cabin.

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