good to be with you, i'm katy tur. what will matter to the voters who will matter in november? that sliver of swing and undecided americans who can tip the election toward either donald trump or joe biden. the campaigns think they might know with president biden going after donald trump on character

and chaos saying, quote, he's desperate, he's out selling bibles and gold speakers. what's more troubling, they say, is he's selling out his presidency to the highest bidder down mar-a-lago. that's what president biden told a group of donors in virginia last night. while donald trump focuses on trump, believing his grievances are voters grievances. >> i got indicted more than al capone, all because i ran for office. if i didn't run for office, i would be enjoying life. you know what i enjoy this better. because we're going to make america great again. that's what i like. and i'm being indicted for you. never forget, our enemies want to take away my freedom because i will never ever let them take away your freedom. that's why i'm here. they want to silence me because

i will never let them silence you, and in the end, they're not after you. quite simply put, i am just standing in their way. i'm standing in their way. >> so either donald trump or joe biden write about those voters. we have asked a number of them, and we have what they told us. joining us now, nbc news correspondent vaughn hillyard, and staff writer for the atlantic request msnbc political contributor, mark leibovich are going to start us off. talking about donald trump, he's standing up there saying, i'm going targeted because they want to target you. it's a grievance theme, worked for him in the past to a degree. these grievances, though, you're hearing less about what donald trump wants to do when he's president and hearing more about who he wants to take out when he's president. are voters there for it, or are they there for policy? this is coming down to the determination a candidate makes on how do you energize and get those folks who are either sitting on the fence or not sure whether they feel like getting out to vote much in november,

out. donald trump has made a calculated decision that being the aggrieved candidate and telling voters you should care, they're coming after me, attacking me, they're prosecuting me, and soon they're going to be coming after your rights. that can be effective. you should be scared of new york and milwaukee. that can rally up a lot of folks in the suburbs or rural parts that say, yeah, i'm scared to go into the city. that could be enough. to get some of those folks that may be more sympathetic to you. biden, on the other side. part of that is saying voters, you should care. these are the policies. you drive a contract between the second trump administration and second biden administration. these are the policies that i would enact versus donald trump would enact, and this is why you should care. >> what policies is donald trump talking about? he ran in 2016 on building the wall, making mexico pay for it, that didn't happen. what policies, is he running on

for 2024? >> number one, yesterday in wisconsin, saying he would rip up the executive action on immigration that was signed by joe biden yesterday that would grant a pathway to legal status and citizenship for 500,000 undocumented spouses but then also, right, he says that, you know there's going to be peace in the world. that there wouldn't be war in ukraine. there wouldn't be war in israel if i were in office. again, a lot of these, they lack specifics, other than saying, i would undo what has happened over the last four years, and the further you go back in history, this is the part where trump is going to try to harken back to the past and what the first trump administration was like, and the difficulty for joe biden is trying to explain in detail for the public at large, this is going to be a challenge at that debate is saying, okay, when donald trump says that he would end the war in ukraine in one day or the war in israel in one day, how is he actually going to do that.

what are the consequences, are we talking about dropping a bomb and what are the civilian death tolls that come from that. those are sort of the difficulties that are facing joe biden when you have donald trump here saying either i'm going to rip up what he's done. or fix us all. >> one set of voters demands specifics, and the other just asks the person, doesn't ask for specifics. that's what it is for donald trump. talking about character and chaos, i read some interesting analysis, mark, about what vaughn was just talking about in terms of immigration. this idea that part of the reason why president biden made that immigration executive order yesterday, giving the protected status to the spouses of american citizens, was in part to force the issue on the debate stage. that if that comes up, if donald trump says what he said yesterday on the campaign trail that he wants to roll that back and undo that executive order, it will force him to bring back up the idea that he separated families, not the idea, the actuality that he separated

families while he was in office. that there were child separations, kids torn away from their parents and it will force voters to remember that period in donald trump's presidency, a period that people might not so easily remember. a lot of voters might not have that recall at the top of their mind. >> yeah, i mean, that's an interesting parlay. i mean, i think what you're going to see from trump on the debate stage is not a specific and methodical defense of his child separation policy by any means. what you're going to see is some kind of blunt force, we were much tougher on the border. people thought twice about flooding into this country when i was president. i mean, a very kind of -- the statement that could be parsed, but he's not going to parse it, he's not going to go down a policy rabbit hole by any stretch. i think this is an issue that biden could be on the defensive about, not because donald trump had a perfect policy or built a wall or anything that he

promised in 2016, but because that is seen poll after poll as an issue that biden and the current white house is extremely vulnerable on, and immigration, largely thanks to the drum beating of the republicans and trump mostly has become the dominant issue or a top two or three dominant issue in this campaign. so i think trump would probably welcome it. again, i don't think he's going to go, you know, policy by policy on this, but i think that that's something that, you know, he's going to obviously be somewhat ready for in a blunt force fashion. >> this focus from the biden team on reminding voters about who donald trump is, the character, the chaos, trying to remind voters that donald trump is erratic. these are these two men, compare the two of them. is that the best strategy from the biden team for what you're talking to voters about? >> i mean, i would say -- i'll take it first. i think that biden doesn't

necessarily have to. he's going to remind them. that's what candidates do. they pound home a message. you're going to hear words like convicted felon, over and over again. that is a new and exciting toy for democrats to try to apply to donald trump every time they mention him. look, the chaos and the, you know, absurdities, frankly of donald trump and the exhaustion factor is something he drives himself, and, you know, he has been as he gets more visible, and as we get closer to the election, i mean, to me, that i think is probably as big a peril as anything for republicans. donald trump is going to make the case himself by being out there more. biden can remind people, but i think that's largely one of his best assets. >> what about the cliche that elections are about the future, not the past, do voters want to hear more from both of these candidates, from president biden about what they plan on doing with narrow four years in

office? >> i mean, you would think. i mean, i think it's sort of a depressing cliche given that the candidates are both so old, and you know, when you're 81 and 78 it doesn't exactly conjure the future by any stretch. what's interesting about biden is that he has, you know, a record that i think a lot of people, if you take it issue by issue have really approved of. it is a little bit harder. he's been reluctant to propel that into the future in part because he spent so much energy reminding people of what trump was like, and when you have two incumbents or quasi incumbents in the case of trump, you have a more immediate point of reference to the past. it's harder to get voters focused on the future. >> vaughn, what do you think of that? >> i'm not going to argue with mark, but i think that there's reasonably what he is saying is very much true, and i think that is a difficulty that both of these campaigns are now having to come to terms with here. donald trump, i should say, i think, is eager to talk about,

you know, what would take place in the future, too, in many regards. he is somebody who paints very bleak pictures of what the current life in america is right now, that doesn't always match up with reality. and so for him, i think that you have somebody who is very eager to paint a bleak picture o. -- of the future if democrats were to remain in control. >> going back to donald trump's inaugural speech, the very dark tones. >> you and i were standing next to each other and looked right at each other, as the rain started to fall. >> very dark indeed. joining us chief strategist for the bush cheney 2004 campaign, matthew dowd, how do you see these two strategies? >> i think your question about whether or not somebody's going to talk about the future is completely apropos and necessary. if i were in the biden campaign, i mean, i would be talking about the danger donald trump poses to the future of the average

american, and do it in so many different ways, do it to them economically. do it for them, social security, medicare, do it for them on education and do it for them broadly on freedoms, whether it's roe v. wade or other freedoms they fear about. i think it can't be a reminder of how crazy and chaotic and coarse that donald trump is. i think people mostly have that baked in. it has to take that and put voters in a position of do you want this person making decisions on these things for your future? that to me is the best strategy going forward. >> i thought it was interesting when president biden talked about supreme court justices just the other day on jimmy kimmel and former president obama, telling voters that if donald trump is reelected, there's a very real chance he could get two more nominations. there would be pressure on clarence thomas, and samuel alito to resign during the republican presidency, and they are up there in age. is that something that

galvanizes. i know the supreme court has galvanized the right. does that threat now galvanize the left, and not just the left but the independents? >> that's the voters, i mean, the voters that biden needs to focus on are not republicans or trump voters. 44% of the country is going to vote for donald trump no matter what. and 45% is going to vote for joe biden no matter what. we saw in the campaigns in the aftermath of dobbs, an argument about loss of freedom in the supreme court works, my problem with leaving it at he's going to get more justices is too much of a bank shot for most voters. what i think you have to tell him is in donald trump is president again, and he gets the nominees, these are the things you're going to lose, the access to birth control, voters, access to voting. they're going to put more restrictions and not defend voter rights. he has to make the argument more

concrete with meat. it can't be donald trump is going to get two supreme court nominees or however many he's going to get. it's got to tell them, what does that mean to the average person in michigan or pennsylvania or nevada. what does that mean for their life that he may get those appointments? >> why haven't you seen more focus on that. we see so much from the biden campaign, donald trump doesn't have the character. threats to democracy, and i think anybody who's afraid of donald trump in that way is already very firmly. that message has been received by the voters who are -- who see it as true, and they're already joe biden voters. they're done. why is the biden campaign, i mean, do you think that message applies to the 10% or so voters you're talking about that haven't made up their minds yet. are those the voters affected by a message like that.

more transactional, here's how your life can be improved or worsened if i'm president versus donald trump being president. >> well, katy, you go to the crux of how campaigns operate. what you try to do is have a message that plays both with motivating your base and a message with swing voters in the course of this. i don't know if that's possible. i know the reminder of donald trump, how he acts and behaves is motivational for the base, and what you normally try to do is lock down the base, motivate them early because you want volunteers and you want campaign contributions early, and what you do in the last three, four, five weeks, go directly to swing voters, and my expectation is that's what the biden campaign is -- right now, they want to motivate and get volunteers and campaign contributions. in the final five weeks, i think they're going to do exactly what you said, and what i was reminding folks of is appeal to

voters. not for what biden can do. i don't think that's a winning strategy, remind them of the threat donald has to their lives and futures. >> i haven't had anybody reply with that level of specificity. it's about base donors, base motivation, getting volunteers out there, and later it's going to be about convincing that last 10%, who are already, i think, going to be late deciders. matthew dowd, thank you so much. >> thanks, katy. coming up, what the biden campaign is trying to do to win over black voters. the reverend al sharpton is with me next. plus, what benjamin netanyahu is accusing the biden administration of, and what white house said in response. they are confused. >> and later, nearly half of americans are in the middle of 90 degree temperatures and more, sweating it out. how long this intense heat is going to last. we've got the forecast in just a

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they are airing juneteenth on bounce tv, and sponsoring a juneteenth celebration in milwaukee, the town trump called horrible last week. joining us now, president of the national action network and host of "politics nation," reverend al sharpton. really good to have you. >> thank you. >> explain the bleeding of these voters from president biden to donald trump. why? why is this happening? >> well, one, i'm not sure that i agree that the polling is accurate because i saw how polling in 2020, and it didn't happen saying that black men we're going to go in numbers that they didn't go. there is some apathy, there are some that are questioning, and i think a lot of it is that the biden campaign must take more seriously the messaging to go directly on these issues like they're doing today, and they have people that have standing

and trust among black voters as surrogates. can't use politicians to talk about politicians alone. you have to have people that relate to them. i also think that they have a big argument that they're not using well against giving the categorical bias and racism that donald trump has demonstrated throughout his career. i'm from new york like he is. in the 70s, he and his father were cited by the justice department for discrimination in the way they handle their real estate in terms of who could get apartments in their building. i would have some of those victims on the campaign trail. he's advocating that the central park five, five young black men, and latino men, young boys, really, were guilty of a crime that later they were found by dna not to have done after they did time in jail, and trump took out ads calling for them to get the death penalty. i would have them on the road.

i would have george floyd's family on the road. trump was president when george floyd happened. never opened his mouth talking about justice for them. went in front of a church across from the white house, had the protesters moved and attacked the protesters. the best case against donald trump for blacks is donald trump himself. but you've got to put it out there, and you've got to put it out there with the right people that have no political ax to grind but just want to tell the truth about a man who's never been on our side. >> what did you think of donald trump going to the bronx and holding a rally in the bronx? >> i think it was the greatest example of how donald trump in his own town is not regarded by blacks and latinos. he had a mostly white audience, just like when he went to the black church in detroit and it was 8/10 white.

if you can't draw people in the bronx of color to your rally, that ought to tell people around the country something. he couldn't bring on one businessman. he's been in business for decades. how could we not see him say i did some of the financing, i was an accounting firm, i was a legal firm. none of that. how can you be in city with 2/3 black and latino, and never did any business of any of them of any consequence. i said this morning and i'll repeat it, the times that i have met with donald trump, argued with him, tried to get to move on certain things. i brought contracts with him. every time i have gone into trump tower to meet with him, it was like going up the rocky mountains where there's snow on the top. i have never seen a black employee in trump organization. so for him to get black votes from people that he never took

any kind of investment with or did business with, or even stood up for their rights. to me is somebody that has not looked at the record, clearly or carefully. >> you know how to paint a picture. apathy, i want to ask you about that. is there a risk -- you mentioned it a moment ago, but is there a real risk of apathy among black voters, looking at president biden. maybe they see donald trump exactly the ways you have described him, and know all of that evidence that you just laid out, but do you look at president biden and say, yeah, this man, though, he's got an idea for how to make my life better, and it's a positive idea that i want to sign on to for four years or is it all about don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative. >> i think that the vision and the program that the president is outlining has to be, in my opinion, messaged more and

messaged by people. i think he has a vision. the inflation reduction act put real jobs in the black community, and gave real infrastructure development in many of the cities that we need to see that. i think what he did would be the whole question of the infrastructure act. and as i said, inflation reduction act. what he did in terms of putting a black woman, the first time in history, on the supreme court, and a black woman as his vice president, so we're not talking about just something with vision, we're talking about something that has made them -- that vision become a reality, but it's just jesus needed 12 disciples. you've got to have the right people out there saying this happened under his watch. this is the reason this has happened. when he came in this country when he became president in this country, it was as we were recovering from covid. he took the economy and

stabilized it. we have the lowest black unemployment that we've seen in a half a century or more. so probably ever in terms of if you're looking at the way they count on unemployment. we have seen the wealth gap between a black family and a white family shrink. he not only has a vision. he has a record. he needs to have people understand what that is and want to continue. >> you're saying he needs people to sell the record, the 12 disciples. reverend al sharpton, thank you so much as all for coming on the show. >> thank you. up next, the heat wave blanketing, smothering the east coast and the midwest. well, it's not going away. we've got the forecast for how long it's going to be here. plus, what we're learning about the pact that vladimir about the pact that vladimir putin just made with san francisco's been

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74 million people are sweating it out today, a major heat wave is smothering michigan to maine, 11 cities have tied or hit record ties just yesterday, and it is a preview of what's to come this weekend as 150 million people are likely to experience temperatures well above 90 deese. wcau's matt delucia is in new york. >> reporter: new york city is hot today, and we'll continue to get hotter later this woke. that's why everyone is talking about the weather, including new york city officials. we know when it comes to really hot temperatures, the most vulnerable populations include anyone over 60 years old, young children and anyone with a preexisting condition, and the reason officials are taking it so seriously is because unfortunately last year in new york city, 350 people died from

heat-related illnesses. they have a lot of advice and action they're taking. it's a multidepartment event, and they're opening up cooling centers across all five boroughs across new york city. our other best advice, wear light colored clothing, and of course stay hydrated. that's the best advice we have. >> i'm here in philadelphia, it's heating up for another day. we saw temperatures get into the low 90s yesterday. people here throughout the area are just trying to find ways to cool off. we saw plenty of senior centers where people were trying to get a few minutes out of the sun. get a little bit of air-conditioning. get a little bit of water as well. but also a lot of people who have to work outside, trying to take those breaks as well. and, yes, here in philadelphia, we are expecting temperatures into the 90s for the next several days, so people here just trying to settle in and endure the heat and just try to take as many breaks as possible. and try to survive this first

heat wave of the season. in philadelphia, matt delucia. >> drink water. >> nbc's violetta, really great to have you. how long is this heat going to last? >> it's going to be a while. we're going to be dealing with this in places. it's been brewing for several days. it's going to of course continue a little bit longer. for the rest of the week in spottings. you can see places like green bay through kentucky, the severe risk where we see the purple shading, we're looking at a long duration event that of course has cumulative consequences, not just a one or two-day thing, these things can start to impact you, especially when things are not improving during the overnight hours. as we head through today, tomorrow, and friday, again, at least 65 million people impacted where you see the pink shading, that's where we're looking at potential heat indices of over

100 degrees, and again, this may not just be for a day or two in some places, even up in bangor, maine, it does not get that hot in that part of the country regularly. it's summer or practically summer, we're talking about regular heat in regular places. lunchtime temperatures, 87 in new york, of course pretty hot but tolerable. humidity of course making it feel a little bit hotter than that. if you look across interior sections of the northeast, we're well into the 90s. maine, 96 degrees, that's practically canada. burlington, albany, 93. syracuse, 93. well into the 80s toward indianapolis, chicago, at 90. they are coming down from this as the heat picked up there a little bit earlier, so a very hot afternoon. this ridge of high pressure is going to keep things not only dry but also continue to funnel those hotter temperatures up into the midwest, the ohio valley and of course into the northeast as well.

so for today, we can expect temperatures at least in and around new york, extending through parts of the atlantic, generally 5 to 10 degrees above average. the further north you go, we're talking 20 to 25 degrees above the average, and that's not taking into account the heat index. feeling like 105 degrees today up in maine, heading into tomorrow, still well above triple digits, 104 in bangor, as we head into the weekend, we'll see some relief across the northern u.s. you can see the heat expected to continue for the next couple of days and through the weekend across parts of the mid atlantic and also in through the midwest. katy. >> 104 in syracuse. >> they don't have air conditioners. they're not used to that kind of heat. benjamin netanyahu says the u.s. is withholding weapons from israel. the white house says we have no idea what he's talking about. we'll get some context in a moment.

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the u.s. says it has no idea what prime minister benjamin netanyahu is talking about when he says the u.s. has been keeping weapons from israel. i said it's inconceivable that in the past few months the administration has been withholding weapons and ammunitions to israel. israel, america's closest ally, fighting for its life. >> let me start off by saying,

we generally do not know what he's talking about. we just don't. >> joining us now, nbc news international correspondent matt bradley from jerusalem. matt, do you know what he's talking about? >> reporter: yeah, i mean, he was talking about a consignment of weapons that the u.s. has continued to withhold for the past couple of months. we heard that from the white house spokesperson. this is just the latest dissident note we have been hearing between jerusalem and washington for the past several months. we knew these two leaders have been falling out. we rarely see a sighting so clearly, and the video last night by netanyahu, where he took direct aim at the administration, invoking churchill, and acting as though he was being abandoned by an administration coming out forcefully by october 7th, and said he would be supporting israel. this clearly was going to anger people in washington in the biden administration. what we heard from "axios" last night, they published saying there was a decision by the administration to cancel a meeting from a high level

israeli delegation that was visiting washington, a meeting that was going to discuss the crucial question of iran. now, ever since then, we haven't really heard much about that. whether or not the meeting was canceled. we heard from the white house that not only was this meeting not canceled out of anger or a response to benjamin netanyahu but that the meeting wasn't canceled at all, so this "axios" report either somebody was dialing that back or it was incorrect, but it sound as though this is kind of really representative of a wider schism between washington and jerusalem. it looks as those there's a lot of anger, and feelings in the white house, clearly, that israel and benjamin netanyahu personally are not being grateful to the support that the u.s. has been offering israel. >> the way it was filmed was interesting. it seems like somebody got their iphone out, and he's talking

directly to the camera. it almost seems like it was a spur of the moment decision. the message it's sending, though, i'm curious to get some washington reaction on that, and we're going to do that right now. joining us now is congressman adam smith from washington, the ranking member of the house armed services committee. so what do you make of that video from benjamin netanyahu, what he says on it, the way it's filmed? what message do you think he's trying to send there? >> the biggest thing i make of it is that netanyahu is trying to come up with excuses for his failed policies at the moment. and is lashing out in any direction he can to try to distract from that, and what i mean by that, look, we support israel, i agree with the white house, we have been giving them weapons and help them obviously when iran attacked them, protect them against that. president biden has been as supportive of israel as any president in history to date. but at the same time, prime minister netanyahu has not been

working with us and saudi arabia and others to build an alternative to hamas, and have a path forward towards peace. i think people are beginning to realize that, so he's lashing out to try and distract from that, is my primary interpretation of why he did that. >> he's lashing out, is it because he fears his position, his hold on power, within israel is slipping? >> yeah, i think there's no question about that. we saw the breakup of the war cabinet, benny gantz moved out of the cabinet and the entire war cabinet was broken up. benjamin netanyahu's popularity really low. if the election was held, he would lose. all of that is less important than getting to peace in gaza, and long-term stability in the middle east, and there is an option. there is an option to do that. we have saudi arabia and jordan, and turkey, and egypt and others willing to work with palestinians to build an

alternative to hamas. and to give the palestinian people some hope, while at the same time, keeping hamas down. but the prime minister of israel has to be willing to work with us on that. he is consistently frustrated that effort. so that's the biggest concern i have for the region right now. >> you say the prime minister has to be willing to work with the united states. does that mean that there needs to be a different prime minister. can you work with a prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, to achieve peace in gaza, is that possible? >> as i've emphasized that's not my choice. that's israel's choice. i think we should be out of the regime change business no matter where. the people of israel choose their leadership, and we need to work with them as best as we can. certainly prime minister netanyahu is making that right now. the threat from hezbollah in the north, lebanon, iran, it's a widespread threat they face, and we are supporting them in that effort, but it seems that prime

minister netanyahu is interested in distracting from that by criticizing his greatest friend right now in the world. >> your constituency is mixed on the issue of israel and the war in gaza, how do you explain to your voters why it's necessary, in your opinion, for the u.s. to stand as closely as it does by israel's side? >> well, the way i just explained it, certainly hamas is a threat. and let's not forget what hamas did on october 7th or what hamas is. hamas wants to destroy all of israel. that is certainly bad for israel and israel deserves to be helped in defending against that. it's also horrible for the palestinian people, and for their future as we have seen. but it's not just hamas. it's hezbollah and lebanon, which continues to attack israel from the north. somewhere around 100,000 israelis have been driven out of their homes in the north of israel. it's iran who has launched those attacks. it's the houthis down in yemen

who are launching the attacks. israel has a right to exist as a country, they are under profound threat from multiple different directions. we need to deter that threat, first of all, to protect israel, but second of all, because in deterring that threat, we can force forward a peace process. we can force hezbollah and iran and others to realize they can't destroy israel. they have to figure out some way to live with them. that's the primary reason that i support israel. >> congressman adam smith, the ranking member of the house armed services committee. thank you very much for joining us on this issue. >> thanks for giving me the chance. >> and russia and north korea have a new pact, if you will, a mutual defense agreement. president putin met with north korean leader, kim jong un, and signed the deal today. it's part of the first state visit that vladimir putin has made to north korea in 24 years. nbc news international correspondent janis mackey frayer has more. >> reporter: overnight russian

president vladimir putin was welcomed on a red carpet by kim jong un and lavished with the warmth of a good friend, even debating over who would be first to get into kim's luckily car, that was incidentally a gift from putin. now reaching a strategic partnership agreement after meeting one on one for two hours. during the visit, projecting unity, side by side, walking past soldiers, horses, and crowds of children. the state department said tuesday that north korea had unlawfully provided 11,000 containers of munitions to russia. >> north korea is providing significant munitions to russia. >> reporter: tension between and washington is at a high with americans still being held in russia, including paul whelan and evan gershkovich, who the state department consider

wrongfully detained and just today, a u.s. soldier, gordon black was sentenced to nearly four years in a penal colony on charges of theft and assault filed by a woman he traveled to russia to see. for putin, his last visit to north korea was 24 years ago to meet kim's father. today he told the younger kim he was impressed with how pyongyang had changed. since then, putin's position in the world has changed too. the visit revealing how dependent he is on russia's few partners. >> janis mackey frayer, thank you very much. coming up, remembering baseball legend, willie mays. ic. one day, your joints hurt. hi grandpa. next, it's on your skin. it's painful. i couldn't move like i used to. i got cosentyx. feels good to move. cosentyx helps real people move and feel better.

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>> i'm talking to myself as i'm running and i'm saying to myself, you've got to get this ball back to the infield. >> reporter: overnight fans playing tribute at legendary rick wood field in alabama. >> we will always cherish the memory and life of the great willie mays. >> the home of the negro league birmingham black barrens, where he started his career as a teenager, hold ago tribute to the negro leagues honoring black players. >> one of those who helped, bill greasen, speaking with craig ahead of the game. >> we never stopped looking after each other. willie and i were just like brothers. >> reporter: tributes pouring in for the american hero. >> greatest ballplayer i've ever seen, willie mays has passed away. >> best player i have ever seen.

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