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deeply rooted amid american conservatism for decades, but the attempt to root it into mesh government has new energy sparked by donald trump's first presidency and now fueled by his promises for a second. >> they want to tear down crosses where they can. and cover them up with social justice flags. but no one will be touching the cross of christ under the trump administration. i swear to you that will never happen. never happen. >> what more exactly do christian conservatives want in government. we see hints at the congressional level. the separation of church and state is a misnomer. mike johnson, the speaker of the house said shortly after he was made speaker last year, people misunderstand it. it's not in the constitution, he says. we see it in legislation at the

state level from laws that ban abortion based on religious opinions of when life starts, to louisiana's just passed mandate to prominently display the ten commandments it every public school classroom. rulings from the supreme court, most notably. the overturning of roe v. wade but also in decisions like kennedy v. bremerton which allowed a high school football coach to play on the 50 yard line after games. and also 900-page presidential transitional guidelines like project 2025, which lay out what donald trump's allies and former aides say his administration can deliver on. quote, enacting policies and encouraging marriage, work, motherhood, fatherhood, and nuclear families, and health care policies that are quote, rooted in a deep respect for innocent human life for day one until natural death. ie, no abortion. joining us now, nbc news

correspondent, marissa parra, who has been covering the ten commandments story for us out of louisiana, and msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin and dahlia lithwick, so happy to have you ladies. first take me to louisiana and this decision on the ten commandments. let's lay the foundation for this conversation. >> so we are already seeing promises of a lawsuit that is expected to be filed next week. that is according to the aclu. they told me that just a couple of hours ago. let's walk through, though, what we know right now in terms of the time line. this legislation was signed yesterday, and it is set to go into effect at the start of 2025 when schools go back into session after winter break. this would apply to every single publicly funded, we're talking about state funded schools, kindergarten classrooms all the way through university classrooms, and there's a set of requirements that need to be a display that is poster sized, 11

by 14 inches. it is supposed to be the central focus of that poster in large and easily readable fond, and there's supposed to be a contact statement. i will add this is supposed to be funded by donations, but there is a legal road ahead because we already know there are promises of a lawsuit that is expected to be filed. in terms of what we heard, in terms of the reaction, i'll start with the supporters, the governor himself, over the weekend, he said, quote i can't wait to be sued. her hearing from the attorney general of louisiana, who pointed to depictions of moses eight times in the halls of the united states supreme court. she also saying she looks forward to defending the law. opponenting, to your point, katy, wait a second, what about the separation of church and state. we have heard from not just civil rights groups like the aclu. we have heard from the national education association, all of them raising concerns. we have heard concerns specifically about how will

students who don't belong to this specific religion feel. is this sort of a coercion for students to feel like they need to be a part of this religion, and so i think that there's a lot of questions on how this will be enforced, what will that look like, what would the punishments look like. but i want to point to that specific case that you referenced out of 1980. this is out of kentucky, and this is what this lawsuit is going to be referencing, specifically that this is a precedent being violated, katy. the supreme court at the time overturned that, but we know our supreme court is currently conservative leaning. there's a lot of questions on what would this look like, and that is something only time of course will tell us. >> i didn't get into the kentucky case. kentucky tried to do this in 1980. they said the same thing that louisiana is saying, that there's a secular reason to have this. that our laws, our government is based in the teachings, the commandments themselves.

that's what the american legal system is founded in. the supreme court of 1980 said that doesn't pass the lemon test. >> that's correct. >> the lemon test is no longer as strong as it once was because of the case i referenced. this was the football coach playing on the 50 yard line. >> stone is to graham somewhat like what roe was to the mississippi law that was used as vehicle for dobbs. stone versus graham is directly contradictory to what louisiana is trying to do, and yet louisiana understands that circumstances have changed in the court, that there is a different composition of this court, and so they are happy to test what anybody else would say just based on precedent alone is a flagrantly unconstitutional law. >> dahlia, you cover the supreme court so well. we're so happy to have you. what is your sense if this case were to get to the supreme court. what they would say about it, would it be the same as what the

1980 supreme court did with the acknowledgment that the chief justice did not agree with the majority opinion and in fact, sided with keeping the ten commandments in kentucky schools? >> i mean, i think lisa makes such an important point, katy, which is once the supreme court begins to signal as it did in dobbs two terms ago, the coach kennedy praying case, once the court starts to signal that precedent is more or less for suckers, what it really invites is for everybody at the state level, that the the federal trial court level, right, that's the mifepristone case, everybody and their uncle gets to see if the supreme court agrees. the first point, if you value precedent as a marker of stability, constantly knowing around the country what the law

is, this is what happens when the court plays fast and loose, and i think the other really important point is that the lemon test is good law. it has not been overturned. there are justices that signal they think lemon is no longer good law and the establishment clause, jurisprudence is waiting to be brushed off the table. it hasn't happened yet. i think we're in this funny posture, which, by the way, is the posture we're in in so many cases where the court is essentially being overturned by a state. a state saying yeah, yeah, wink wink, we know that the stone case is no longer a good law. let's go ahead and overturn, you know, decades of establishment clause jurisprudence and this puts the court in the unenviable position that it's in right now of being jammed from courts below, jammed and state, and the question really becomes, to your point, how many of those cases can they take a year, and how

many times can they essentially rubber stamp being overturned by, you know, states and trial court judges. i don't know that the court has the appetite to spend the rest of its life doing this on its docket this year. >> there's so many religious challenges to laws, to rules, to equal rights. marissa, i know you have covered a lot of this out of the state of florida. we have seen the don't say gay bill, what teachers can teach in schools. a lot of this coming from a deep rooted christian conservatism on what society is supposed to look like, what the values are supposed to be. dahlia, this christian conservatism has been the foundation to push it within the legal system has been laid for decades, with the federalist society, this has been a move by mitch mcconnell to lay the foundation for this. four decades. it was a long game. they have supreme court justices on the courts that are more idealogically aligned with

christian conservatism, but there's also the question of what will the court look like if there's another trump administration, and say clarence thomas or samuel alito retires or is forced or pressured to retire. what sort of justices do they get replaced by if a president trump has the republican senate. >> i think i would offer up two data points, both are fairly grim. one is don't forget that that appeal to heaven flag that martha ann alito was flying at their new jersey vacation home was very much coopted by fundamentalists, white nationalists, christian conservatives, so this is not a secret how people feel. this is not just a -- i called it a foam finger go george washington flag. this is very much a religious movement, sort of the -- there's no secret there, and i think the other data point that's almost

more worrying is that the kinds of people who are advising donald trump on what they want to happen in project 2025 and otherwise are clear. clarence thomas and sam alito at the center of the court. >> what would somebody do to the right of a clarence thomas or samuel alito look like? we had to say good-bye to marissa. we brought in vaughn hillyard who has been covering the trump campaign for us. talking about the christian conservatism movement -- i think i'm getting double -- i'm hearing my voice twice, control room, if we can fix that. and talking about the christian conservatism movement, the energy that has been reenergized, reinvigorated with donald trump's first presidency and now with donald trump running again, what can you

report to us about how that movement is being embraced or is it being embraced fully by donald trump's campaign team, and what might be a second donald trump administration? >> number one, there's questions about how much they will embrace, when they do take the white house, if they do because it's the heritage foundation, america's policy institute, some of the organizations creating the template, the policies they're going to hand over to the trump administration and say, here, do what you like with these. i think this is part of this year. i go back to roy moore. when i hear the ten commandments. >> thank you. >> we have been through this before. >> wait, hold on, just in case. roy moore is not on the top of anyone's mind, lay his foundation if you can. >> yes, he was the senate candidate in alabama back in 2017. and he ended up losing to doug jones. that's when he really became nationally known. he made headlines the year prior when he was booted, ousted from being the chief justice of the

alabama supreme court because he refused court orders to remove the ten commandments from his courtroom. literally removed from the job. we have been through this here. but what is different now is suddenly there's questions about the conservative courts, and if you can challenge this time around, you know, it also takes me back. if i may, we see in arizona there's going to be a ballot proposition similar to sb 1070 from ten years ago, which allows local law enforcement to do immigration law, and detain undocumented immigrants, and the supreme court ruled against sb 1070, several parts of it ten years ago. now they're putting forth another measure. it's reminding me of measures and republican states are trying to challenge the courts. >> it's a different landscape. could be a more different court if donald trump wins and has those justices. you and i have talked about this

offline, and you were thinking of somebody specific. his name has been bandied about in conservative circles if donald trump were to have another knee. >> jim hoe is the nominee that someone like donald trump is looking for in this moment. he has ties to the federalist society, and sort of old school legal conservatism but has shown he is a bridge to what i would call the maga legal movement which embraces a much more robust impression of executive power and government power. old school don't necessarily like government. they don't want to see it enlarged. to accomplish their objectives, they need government. they need to harness that power. they need to wrestle it from the federal government and take it themselves from the states or enlarge the government. take civil servants out of their jobs, give them to political appointees, all of that requires

a robust government operation. that's not what the federalist society has believed. a bridge to the past and future. >> and i never heard him having ten commandments hung up in any of his room that he has walked into before. it's these folks propelling his career. >> this is a transaction he has made in his political career. thank you so much. lisa rubin you are sticking around. dahlia lithwick, it's great to have you. thank you for joining us. i'm sorry we didn't have any supreme court rulings to chew over. maybe tomorrow. let's move on. still ahead, what two judges privately urged judge aileen cannon to do after the mar-a-lago documents case was assigned to her. and just one week out, what president biden is doing to prepare for one of the most anticipated and potentially consequence debates ever. his campaign cochair is joining us. what down ballot candidates

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it is not immediately clear what sparked this fire which broke out between the train tracks and i-95. though it is very hot here in the northeast. we have new reporting from the ”the new york times” on donald trump's classified documents case, according to two people briefed on the conversations. two more experienced colleagues urged aileen cannon to hand off the case. lisa rubin is still with us. so the times says two more experienced colleagues came to her after she was assigned the case, and said, you know, it's probably a good idea to hand this off to somebody who's done a few trials. >> yeah, and the conversations, katy, i want to say, the way the times portrayed them, they escalated. the first call came from an unnamed judge. we don't have a secure facility for the review of classified information in force pierce. they have one in miami. why don't you take a step back, and allow judge to handle it. judge cannon not receptive to that message. that's when the chief justice of the district, a george w. bush

nominee to the court then called her and did have that conversation more directly. and in particular, she mentioned what judge cannon's experience had been after the search. we all forget -- >> after the search at mar-a-lago. >> after the search at mar-a-lago in august of 2022, there were a series of many many months until june of 2023 when the case was indicted. donald trump brought a civil case challenging the propriety of the case, donald trump appointed a special master to review the documents that were seized, which trump was insisting were his and which he needed to see in order to challenge whether his fourth amendment rights had been violated. that's when judge cannon was smacked down by three judges of the eleventh circuit, and it was on that basis that the judge said to her, you have had a rough go of this, maybe it's time to let somebody else handle this. >> what does it say that this news would be coming out. there would be someone willing

to describe the conversations to the times. >> almost as big as the news itself. the fact that somebody is sharing the information with the times is what our colleague calls a break glass situation. it's somebody literally saying to the american public, all of those concerns you hear about judge cannon being out of her depth, in the tank for donald trump, those are concerns shared by two colleagues on the bench, and at least one very seasoned judge, the chief judge of the district, depending on logistics is a possible given by authority. >> is there an explanation she's taking her time because she wants to be thorough in this case? there's been a suggestion of that, she wants to give the former president every consideration given the gravity of the case, and given who he is. but she has indulged a series of legal arguments that many others would dispense with very easily, readily, without oral argument. there is no argument too small for judge cannon to assign multiple hours of oral argument to, and as a result, this case

is on a path toward nowhere. >> and there hasn't been a trial date set. i want to ask you about judge engoron, the judge in new york who ruled against donald trump in the civil fraud trial. this is the half billion dollar judgment based on donald trump inaccurately inflating or deflating the value of properties. the trump team is now suing to have him dismissed from the case. they are already trying to appeal the ruling, the judgment, but now they want him dismissed, why? >> they are saying that he engaged in what are called ex parte or one sided impermissible conversations with a real estate lawyer in new york that claims he approached judge engoron in the courthouse and offered his opinion on new york executive law 6312, the statute used in the civil fraud case. that guy got on camera with our colleagues wnbc, melissa and john dienst, and said he had this conversation and the judge

was receptive to the ideas. judge engoron has denied through a court spokesperson that the conversations ever happened. still, the trump team more than six weeks after the initial reporting from wnbc now saying it justifies recusal. >> it's a serious allegation. how might the new york courts handle this? >> well, there's already been an ethics investigation opened. we understand that the lawyer in question, adam bailey, has already been asked for an interview. how that proceeds, we don't know. this motion is separate and apart from that internal proceeding to determine the ethics of it all. thank you very much. coming up, we're going live to a state that could decide the 2024 election, and also help decide the senate. what issue down ballot democrats in michigan are leaning into to try to win not just the presidency, but the senate and the house in november. and what could backfire about donald trump's latest

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one week from today, president biden and former president trump will debate for the first time this election cycle. and with debate ratings and close contests and the 70 to 80 million viewer range, it is a huge opportunity for both candidates to gain some voters. it's also a huge risk. joining us now, former speech writer for president george w. bush and senior editor at the atlantic, david frum. first off, david, you wrote about how earlier, before the debate was settled on, how president biden shouldn't debate donald trump, and i think the -- you told me the crux of it, but it was basically, donald trump is a guy who tried to overturn an election, he's not for democracy, by standing next to him on a debate stage, you're just giving him -- you're instilling a certain sense of

official-dom, thorlt, of status you shouldn't be giving to somebody who tried to overturn an election. >> i was worried in the piece where the moment the moderator says, president biden, we'll turn to the overturn of the constitution in a moment, right now we're talking about food prices. it would diminish the issues at stake and create this strange situation. debate is really the wrong term for what this is. this is a joint media appearance. and how often does the president of the united states do a joint media appearance with a convicted felon, are you going to have pat downs for the convicted felon who appears on the stage with the president. are there going to be other security precautions? the whole approach is going to flatten the difference between the two men. one last thing i worry about, what do the moderators call the two men. president biden, how do you

address convict felon, donald trump. i think nbc until the early 1970s did not use the term mr. for felons. >> this is something i have been struggling with as a journalist. how do we cover somebody like donald trump who has been accused of trying to overturn an election? we have seen evidence of him trying to stop the count, refusing to concede the election. he's now been convicted in felonies here in new york. how do you cover somebody like that in a race for president and about to be nominated as the party candidate. how do you do it? >> i'm not going to be the journalism police and tell everyone else how to do it. different parts of the ecosystem have different rules. for example, you said a minute ago that he was accused of trying to overturn an election, and that's a very laudable caution for a news gathering organization like nbc. but i think most of us, we were there, we saw it. it's not an accusation. it's something that happened on television.

that's like saying, you know, the alleged assassination of president kennedy. we saw it. it's a fact. i don't know that there's one right answer. and the debate is now a fact, and you have to plan for that. but it really worried me when it was in the planning stage. >> i would really like one right answer because it's something that we struggle with every single day. and i am being serious, david, because this is -- we have been covering donald trump now -- i have been covering him certainly for nine years, and i think it was pretty clear how to cover him in 2016. it has not been as clear since, and it's a struggle every day to try to talk about this campaign, as if it were a normal campaign. but also to not seem completely unfair. >> let me tell you about the way i do it. it was a move we have in journalism circles, a move you'll hear, journalists are sitting around the table saying,

well, this person tried to overturn the constitution, an election, and therefore the constitution, first by force, first by fraud, then by force. and you'll have two or three rounds, somebody will say, to the folks out there, the man in the street, the woman in the street, at the checkout counter, none of this matters. what we should be focusing on are the bread and butter issues. i'm going to cover what i think is important, and i think the constitution and democracy are the supreme issues. that's true for me in my work. if people -- if other people don't agree, then they may not consume as much of my work, and i'll find out about it that way. but so far, at least the people i'm talking to, do consume my work, and so i'm going to go on saying, here's what i think is important. this is my service to you. you have the right, of course, to disagree. my service to you is to say, the constitution, knock, issue one, i'm not sure there's an issue two, but we'll bump down to issues eight, nine, ten, this is issue one, and i can't blink the

fact that this is in the whole long history of the united states with many bad actions, but we never saw a serving president try to overturn the constitution by fraud and then by violence. that is an unprecedented thing. i just think the risk is not that we talk about it too much. the risk is we talk about it too little. >> david frum, point taken. thank you very much, i appreciate it. joining us now, biden campaign cochair, senator chris coons of delaware. let's talk about debate prep. you heard david and i talking about how to cover donald trump as a presidential candidate. he's about to be the nominee for the republican party. he will be standing on the debate stage with president biden in just a few days time. with as many viewers as this debate is probably going to get. north of 80 million viewers,

what are the opportunities that you believe the biden team has. >> i think there's an opportunity here, katy, for a stark contrast that will allow the average american who may not have been paying a ton of attention in the last couple of months to just how unmoored the former president has become, how focused on vengeance, how committed to advancing more big tax cuts for the wealthiest americans and the most profitable companies, how determined he is to continue ripping away freedoms from america's women and further destabilizing our place in the world in sharp contrast to our president joe biden who has a steady, positive and optimistic vision for the future, who's been fighting for america's working families, whose reduced the cost of prescription drugs, helped to deliver record bipartisan legislation that's leading to a manufacturing renaissance and rebuilding our country from the inside out and the bottom up by reinvesting in

road and rail and bridges and ports, so i think it will be a stark contrast in terms of the substance. i think it will also be a pretty sharp difference in terms of the style. i was with him at the debate in cleveland in the 2020 election. and, look, former president trump is certainly unusual. he ran as an unconventional candidate, as someone who colored outside the lines and was willing to challenge convention. as a debater, he came over the top. he was aggressive, offensive, interrupted, absolutely all the time constantly, and that there are rules this time for moderation and for turning off the other candidate's mic when they speak out of turn or speak too long. that gives me some hope that the average viewer might actually get to hear a clear contrast rather than just what we saw in the cleveland debate a word salad of constant assault from the former president. >> we have heard a lot from the current president about the

threats to democracy, the threats that he says donald trump poses to this country to our elections, to the fabric of this country. is that going to be the number one issue in your opinion for voters or the voters that have not decided yet. there are some of them out there. do you believe that that's the issue for them or is it something else? >> look, i think it's the intersection of these three critical issues. one is the very real threat that donald trump poses to democracy. not just that as he has tried through fraud and force to overturn the legitimate election of 2020, but that he seems determined to refuse to accept the outcome of the upcoming election if he's unsuccessful. second, the ways in which he has bragged about putting a new conservative majority on the u.s. supreme court that has taken away the rights of millions and millions of americans, and he seems poised to double down on that if

elected again, and then last. president biden has got a tremendous record of actually delivering concrete improvements to the daily lives of millions of americans. i would encourage our president not to talk in the abstract about percentages and economic terms, and we have the strongest economy, but instead to focus on manufacturing plants, high skilled, high wage jobs, things that have reduced the prescription drug prices for tens of millions of families, things that have helped reduce the burden of student loan payments or the cost of electricity. we have made real progress. and there's more work still to be done and the compelling combination of the three is going to lead to a joe biden victory in the fall. >> senator chris coons from the great state of delaware, thank you so much, sir. thank you, katy. >> what the chairman of the house intelligence committee is warning about russian nukes in space, but after the break, what down ballot democrats in one

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republicans have their way. all are backing democratic primary front runner, congresswoman, elissa slotkin who's running for the state's open senate seat. joining us from grand rapids, michigan, shaquille brewster, so what are they saying? >> reporter: well, katy, they're saying this is still an issue that voters very much care about. you know, in my conversation with congresswomanslotkin, she admitted this is not the top issue but it's a key second issue for them. it's a conversation she ties into rights that can be taken away, and you know, the event you're seeing that happened on screen right now is somewhat unique, not just because you have the leaders of prominent organizations but they had this message and took this message to a county back in 2012. mitt romney won by eight points. joe biden flipped in 2020. it's a message they think we'll have success in these areas. i want you to listen to a little

bit of our conversation, where she explains why this is a top issue in 2022, after democrats felt they made some key gains in the state, and now it's something they want to highlight this time around. >> sounds like you're saying it's just as motivating as it was in the past. >> absolutely. i think what we're trying to lay out for people is that, you know, my peers on the other side of the aisle will try and tell you, well, we overturned roe, but we realize it's not that popular, so we're done. they're not done. so they have not stopped. on ivf and family planning, on access to contraception. on drugs that carry out these abortions. on a woman's right to get care in an emergency room, right, so they're not stopping. so we can't stop. and we are not safe because our state did this amazing thing. >> reporter: katy, it was an interesting balance that you saw at the event earlier today where they celebrated the fact that michigan has enshrined this right into its state's

constitution, but they also warned that the progress that they have made is fragile and can be threatened if donald trump or if her likely opponent on the republican side, mike rogers are elected. they're making the case that you can't listen to what republicans say when they're moderating their positions. instead, you have to go back and look at what they have done and what they have argued in the past, and it will be an interesting dynamic to watch as we get closer to election day. >> you say likely opponent, mike rogers, because michigan is in primary august 6th a lot of time. they're way ahead in polling, it is expected that they will gain the title. shaquille brewster, thank you very much. we know global warming is bad for the earth and health, what about for the economy. how does it work there? first, though, russian nukes in space. yes, space. what the chairman of the house intel committee just warned about. about. inct chatter ]

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to russia's nuclear antisatellite program. this crisis is the cuban missile crisis in space. and the administration is failing. the advances that mankind has made during the space age are at risk. and the administration is sleep walking into an irreversible day zero. joining us now, nbc news capitol hill correspondent ryan nobles. this is not the first time we have heard the chairman warn about this. he sent out a pretty cryptic news release a something bad wa happen. what is he talking about today? why is he so much more worried than we have heard from other officials. >> reporter: let's point out what the chairman has accomplished, and that's to get the administration confirm there's this issue or a concern about the russians launching some sort of satellite that could disable other satellites being used by countries,

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it is hot out there. extremely hot. even in northern new england, where it never gets hot. it is hot. is in the 90s right now. they don't even have air conditioners up there. what does that mean for the economy? not the climate, but the economy. yes, we mean the economy. joining us now is senior correspondent tom costello.

all right, what does it mean for the economy? >> you look at the data. it's pretty stark. let's cut right to it. at 90 degrees, worker productivity drops by 25%. and then at 100 degrees, it drops by 70%. so think about mail and package the delivery, construction workers, transportation, housing, anybody who works outside. crop workers die at 20 times the rate of other people outside. crop and livestock losses, extreme heat can scorch and ruin crops and kill livestock, that drive up prices at the grocery store. then we're talking about higher insurance costs, including federal crop insurance payments. they reached $1.3 billion. and in extreme heat, consumers stay home. they spend less. so less money spent in shopping malls, theme parks, restaurants, gas stations. tourists, of course, no surprise, tourists avoid hot zones. they choose cooler destinations.

they thought they were going to maine to stay cool. but that means fewer tourists in areas like texas, arizona, florida. there was a report out of tex it's estimating that higher summer temperatures have twice as much impact on the texas economy than the rest of the country. and last year, it cost the texas gdp about 1%, $24 billion in economic growth last year in texas alone. we haven't even talked about the rolling impact economic of blackouts and brown outs when the electric grid is overwhelmed. we have seen that in several states over the years. this is a very serious concern as we are all dealing with the extreme heat and climate change might is suggest it's the way of the future as well. >> i'm sitting down here because my productivity level has been dropping as well. >> you're in an air-conditioned studio, give me a break. >> it's actually not that cold in here right now.

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