>> two grandchildren, yes, and one of them was born on helene's birthday, my granddaughter. >> what do you tell them about helene? >> we have pictures of helene in the house. she's only 5, so i have not said too much yet, but she will know a lot about helene. >> you finally have justice for helene, her family, all the victims left behind. >> it's kind of why you got into police work, isn't it? >> it is. >> after a 40 year crusade for answers to me it was the truth that connected two women. the detective who took on a quest, and the friend who never forgot. >> helene needed to be heard. she needed people to know what happened to her, so she is not alone anymore. that's all for this edition of "dateline." i'm andrea canning, thank you for watching. for watching.

good morning and welcome to the saturday edition of "morning joe weekend." it was a really busy week. let's get to some of the conversations you may have missed. gag order in donald trump's hush money case is an effect, but his attorney said, they will keep fighting to get it thrown out. that comes after new york's top court declined to hear trump's appeal of the matter earlier this week. the state court appealed trump's thing, there was no constitutional grounds for the appeal. that leaves the gag order imposed by judge juan mershon in place meaning, he could still face penalties in place for violating it. the order bars trump from going after witnesses, jurors, and others who were involved in the case. following his felony conviction last month, the sentencing is scheduled for july 11th. so, i guess first of all, do

you expect this gag order to be put back before the sentencing? i don't, but maybe there is reason for it. and then, what do you expect for the sentencing? >> i think the gag order will remain in place. da bragg has asked for you to stay in place, at least through the sentencing. as far as his penalty, i think in this case, typically first- time offender in this low level class a felony he will get probation, but trump has shown no remorse. it is quite the opposite. in fact, he has bashed the judge, the judge's family, prosecutors, he has continued to show contempt for the whole process. he has violated the court's gag order 10 times. a defendant who normally does that would get to think about his actions behind steel bars. i still don't think that will happen here, because, trump has not been punished with anything beyond a fine for his 10

violations of a gag order, so why would we think that judge merchan would give him an incarceration? maybe he will get some house arrest at mar-a-lago, but he will not be wearing an orange jumpsuit anytime soon. zygmunt lisa, let's take this to you. be on the gag order, we are now less than a month until we get to his sentencing, july 11th, just before the republican national convention. from what you know of the case, drawing upon your experience, we understand every case is different, but what should we expect in terms of a sentencing? >> i actually am going to have to disagree with dave here, i think there is a possibility trump gives some form of incarceration. that incarceration, because of some logistical issues, could come in the form of something like a house arrest, not traditional incarcerates were setting. but, i think given the lack of remorse, there are a number of violations of the gag order that have not been brought to judge merchan's attention, but happen on journalists ' watch during the trial that the district attorney office may have made the decision it was

not worth it to bring it to the judge's attention. they wanted to see the trial completed, they wanted a verdict. that is not me they will not go to him during sentencing and say, look at all these other things he did, look at all these other things he said, he does not take your word seriously. nothing short of incarceration will be enough to get this guy to stop. >> so, lisa, you were in there and you watch this every step of the way and covered every detail for us, i am just curious, does donald trump, defendant, scene, act, talk like someone who wants to avoid jail time? i'm just curious if he thinks it would even be politically helpful? >> i think he thinks it might be politically helpful. certainly, mika, the reporting has been that he wants to avoid jail at all costs me that he is very much scared of anything approaching incarceration, but from a political perspective,

he believes that is political gold for him. if you look at messaging during the trial and thereafter, he is definitely trying to rile up his face with the possibility of some form of term of incarceration and in terms of how he is talking, he is continuing to push a narrative that, as i have written and others have, is extraordinarily dangerous, tying the current president to the prosecution in manhattan, by somehow alleging that the biden administration, specifically the department of justice, was fully manhattan da alvin bragg's dreams, how, through a career civil litigator who was a part of the da's team, but certainly not its head, for a variety of reasons, that narrative makes no sense. it is factually false and also dangerously and perniciously racist, because it assumes that da alvin bragg, who is black, could not have executed this prosecution on his own, without the supervision of a bunch of white elders. >> and lewis, i would try and

ask for historical parallels, but are there any? i don't think there are. i'm curious what the view from across the pond is on this i mean, it feels like, and i know we live in a little of a media echo chamber and we read what everybody writes, but it feels like this trial, you know, was not like some of the trials of the century that we have watched in the past, and yet, it should have been. is it the same around the world ? how are they looking at this former president, convicted, found guilty on 34 felony counts , and by the way, the evidence proving this hush money payment , by the way, to a star , that he had an affair with while his wife was pregnant, those are details, but it is out there. is there any reaction around the world that is a little bit more, perhaps, i don't know, specific to the moment than what we have seen here in the

united states? >> i mean, to answer your first question, mika, is there any possible president historically for a former president, and possibly future one, tried over hush money with a former star , breaking a gag order, an offense potentially 10 times, potentially facing some form of incarceration, that is, i think, sweet generous, as they say, unique, parallel. the rest of the world, we have had presidents put in jail. we have had government leaders put in jail for corruption in other countries. we've had it in israel, south korea, brazil, a couple of times, we've had it various sort of high level criminal trials of political leaders in france. it is not that unusual to see this happening, because that is how the system works. the world looks to america as the first country that said, no man is above the law. the lord

reigns supreme. that is what america is known for as a beacon for that. so, i think america would be catching up with the world, if trump went to one of his real trials. >> that is a shame. msnbc legal correspondent, lisa rubin and state attorney for palm beach county ehrenberg, thank you very much for your analysis and insight this morning. we have lots more to get to this hour. "morning joe weekend" continues after a short break. break. and . (bell ringing) limu, someone needs to customize and save hundreds on car insurance with liberty mutual. let's fly! (inaudible sounds) chief! doug. (inaudible sounds) ooooo ah. (elevator doors opening) (inaudible sounds) i thought you were right behind me. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, ♪ ♪ liberty. ♪

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well . we expect it will be on the ballot. and i can tell you that nevada is one of the most pro-choice states in the nation. we already have enshrined a choice in statute we want to put it in the constitution to make it even stronger. make no mistake, since they overturned roe, we know the consequences of what has been happening all across this country, the attack on women's freedom of the attack on women's rights, and we saw just this last week in the senate, that my republican colleagues would not support access to contraception or reproductive assistance. if they institute something like a nationwide abortion ban, this won't even matter. that is why it is really important for us to keep a democratic senate pro-choice majority, one that wants to protect women's' freedom to protect our values, not have women dying in emergency rooms parking lots because they can get the care they need and being able to get the contraception they need so they

can start a family when, and where, and how they want to. >> do you know what the breakdown is in your state in terms of support for abortion rights? >> i would say it is well over 70%. we are a very pro-choice state. women really come out for this. i will tell you, this goes across all generations, women and men, from young to old, because you see it even as a parent, when my daughter eventually wants to have children i want her to be able to have all the choices available to her, it is not just about women, it is about everybody, and their freedom. >> so, i am curious what you can say to that 30%? because i think what helps clinch this is, it's not just about pregnancy. now, make no mistake, pregnancies in many states across america are more dangerous, and life-threatening because of the fall of roe, but abortion healthcare is not

just for the pregnant. could you explain that argument , because i think that is what appeals to that 30%. >> i can tell you that, what people don't realize, and when you talk to obstetricians, and you talk to women and you have seen them come out all across the country, we have women in nevada telling their stories that they have had much wanted pregnancies, and something goes wrong and they have had a miscarriage, and they go to the hospital, you call your doctor, something is wrong, and they say, go straight to the emergency room, and they go there, and the doors are closed to them. doors are closed to pregnant women in emergency rooms across this country, while they are busy calling lawmakers to decide what to do. i don't want any of my opponents, i don't want sam greg brown in my doctor's office, i don't want his picture or mitch mcconnell's picture in my room, scaring doctors to giving healthcare.

this is how i want to talk to people about that. that emergency could be you or someone you know and love. of course, contraception, people don't like to think about this, but if you have cancer, and chronic disease, many other reasons women take contraception. the access to that is so important. and of course, reproductive technology, when you want to start a family, that has helped 70 people. this is really important, all of this. this war on women, the war on our freedom, were on our ability to travel, perhaps, taking all of that away is unacceptable. and the maga extremists, like sam brown and all of my colleagues here in the senate, they are rated waging a war. i want to tell everyone, if they share my democratic values on this, go to rosenfornevada.com to join us. >> our topic, the supreme court recently overturned a ban on bump stocks that have been put into place in the wake of the nation's largest mass shooting, the shooting that took lace in your state of nevada at the is a festival a few years ago. i want to get a further response to what the supreme

court did, but also, respond to the defense that some republican senators, mainly jb vance, have put in place same, they agree with what the supreme court did, despite broadly, brought me popular support for the ban. >> i say, shame on jade events, and anyone that disrespects the dead. let them come to nevada and see what someone who wanted to be a cold-blooded murderer executioner, planned and plotted this, and bought stocks just so he could do the most damage in the shortest amount of time. so when he opened fire from that hotel room, there were 20,000 people on a beautiful day that had come to las vegas in october, the weather is fabulous, they wanted to go to a concert, 20,000 people there. he opened fire with an unimaginable amount of bullets and carnage in a matter of minutes, murdering 60, injuring hundreds, traumatizing those 20,000, and our hotel workers, and all of our first responders who were there, helping, trying

to get through this mass carnage . i can tell you, anyone who disrespects that, come to nevada, i'm going to show them. this isn't fake. and this was donald trump saw that, he put his ban, and they were all for it before, not sure why they are against it now, but we have an obligation to keep people safe. that is what is most important and i say, shame on anyone who disrespects the dead. >> democratic senator jackie rosen of nevada, inc. you very much for coming on the show this morning. really appreciate it. absolutely. coming up, house minority leader hakeem jeffries will talk about what the democrats are doing to try to flood the house with less than five months until the election. you're watching "morning joe weekend." joe weekend." with nurtec odt, i found relief. the only migraine medication that helps treat and prevent, all in one. to those with migraine, i see you. for the acute treatment of migraine with or without aura and the preventive treatment of episodic migraine in adults.

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house speaker mike johnson paid a visit to donald trump at mar-a-lago.

>> that is just brutal, i mean, why? it had to be done? okay. >> just so he could prove his loyalty. >> okay, and did he bring a bible? the parent met with the national republic committee. >> he says, if you read the bible to me you will be guided and know exactly what his worldview is when it comes to politics, and of course, in 2 deuteronomy, or whatever, 2 corinthians, 2 bayou bengals, there of course where jesus said, blessed are those who lie about presidential elections. >> the parent met with the national republican congressional committee chairman to reportedly discuss campaign strategy. >> let's do what donald tells us to do. >> right. as house republicans try to hold onto their razor thin majority in the chamber, the

meeting came after trump was greeted with a hero's welcome by gop lawmakers on capitol hill last thursday. look at the clapping. they are all real close. joining us now, house majority leader, democratic congressman hakeem jeffries. i am curious, when you walk into a room, is it required that your democratic colleagues clapped for like two minutes straight for you? >> no, absolutely not. it is a good thing if i get three seconds of a clapped. we are a family, but we work together to make life better for the american people, not to pledge fealty to one another. it is extraordinary to see what is happening on the other side. bottom line is that, president biden, and health democrats, are going to continue to just simply put people over politics. my colleagues on the other side of the aisle, it is all about donald trump, not the american

people. >> leader jeffries, it is just fascinating, and in respect of, it is historic. i can't remember any time that the article one branch completely, was completely submissive to the presidency. but, here, i don't know. you have to help us understand, how do you deal with house republicans, how do you negotiate with house republicans, when you know that they don't speak for themselves? but the article one power, the house speaker? he has no power in and of himself. you guys, with a historic immigration bill, trump can just kill it. >> bless you. >> a sense of equanimity in the midst of the storm of it all. we know that donald trump is a chaos agent, and the extreme

maga republicans are dominated by the chaos caucus. so, we have to keep our eye on the prize, which is, we are defined by partisan common ground by any issue with our republican colleagues whenever and wherever possible and we have repeatedly demonstrated that in service of the american people throughout the 118th congress. but, at the same time, be prepared at all times to push back against their extremism whenever necessary, and we have had to do that repeatedly, particularly as it relates to the house republican effort to try to jam their right-wing ideology down the throats of the american people, and continue to undermine a woman's freedom to make her own reproductive health care decisions. >> leader jeffries, good morning. turning to a contentious issue for the democratic party right now, that is, israel's conduct in the war in gaza. president biden has pushed for more military funding to to israel.

we know that prime minister benjamin netanyahu is slated to speak to congress in a weeks time. before speaker nancy pelosi has come out against this, saying, she really opposes giving benjamin netanyahu this audience, this platform. what is your response to her. >> well, speaker of the house, and senate majority leader, of course, are in power to extend an invitation. as for usual custom, once that invitation decision was made, as has been the case with other offers to heads of state, where democratic allies of the united states of america, in this congress, that has meant south korea, and india, we have extended that invitation to head of state in israel. now, as i have also indicated, as is the case with any joint address to congress, every individual member, 435 of us,

will have to make a decision as to whether it is appropriate for them to attend and participate or not. >> leader jeffries, despite the strong hand of donald trump building power, or nearly the entire publican party, the house intelligence committee has often been, still is so far, a place of common sense, corporation, and some bipartisanship. yet, speaker johnson announced last week, his assent intend to name scott. ronnie jackson to the house intelligence committee. is that going to happen? >> well, unfortunately, pursuant to the rules of the house of representatives, the speaker, with respect to the intel committee, as joe knows has the unilateral authority to make appointments. those appointments are frightening in the context of the responsible nature of the behavior of those two individuals, particularly representative. . if the republican people give

us the opportunity to govern with the gavels in november, we can assure you that a different decision will be made. >> all right, house minority leader, congressman hakeem jeffries of new york, thank you so much for coming on this morning. we appreciate it. in a new piece for the sub stack newsletter entitled "make america again," former national correspondent for the weekly, matt levesque writes in part, quote, if you're in the business of detailing our country's distal political dysfunction, you could optimistically look at this time as an embarrassment of riches, and yet, it has just come to feel more like an embarrassment period. it makes you wonder sometimes, if the news ever settled down, whether we could similarly tamper down our own appetites for controversy, as our own metabolic rights now burned much hotter and higher than they did in the past, or, have

we become too addicted to instability, to always having a looming catastrophe on the horizon? the general population used to care about reality tv more than they did politics, which plenty took as a sign of apathy, but which i took as an indicator of good, civic health. in a healthy democracy, we can afford to take politics for granted making it a secondary concern. if national normalcy bitterness in the butt, try to remind us of her presence, would we even remember what she looked like? we've been going so insane for so long with so many chaos merchants having a vested interest in us staying that way , that i have my doubts. and i would agree with this, john mayer, author of "the big lie." we have those very same merchants selling the big lie

today. >> we most certainly do. there have been some have suggested the tongue-in-cheek slipped off its axis in june when donald trump came down the escalator, just one big after another for the nation of the world. some of it is coincidence, but some deliberate. trump and his allies, chief among them, who are looking to sow chaos, looking to accelerate the news cycle, looking to flat out lie for their own personal gain here the question is, now we are down this path, can we ever get off it? >> i think it is a very good question. also, there is a market for boring in american politics. i about tony ivers of wisconsin, who said, i ran for reelection on being boring. there is america, and we have seen this, american voters don't like the chaos. they rejected when it is given to them on the ballot. yes, that is for sure true, but

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rising in 22 states, including oklahoma, where you plan to build a big rally this week. aren't you worried about people getting sick? >> no, because if you look, the numbers are very minuscule compared to where it was. it is dying out. actually, oklahoma has had a very low rate me relatively speaking. >> sheesh, i carrabba. that is the same guy that said, it was one or two people coming in from china, they have been taken care of, that it would go away in the spring, it would be done by easter here just never stopped spreading this information and people died because of that. that was then president donald trump four years ago yesterday brushing off concerns about holding an indoor rally in oklahoma in the midst of a covid-19 pandemic. a few days after the event, the state would set a new single day record for coronavirus cases, which helped health officials said, likely was caused by donald trump's rally. some held that event, despite

warnings from top members of the coronavirus task force, including dr. anthony fauci, and former director of institutional diseases, joins us now and also served as president joe biden's chief medical advisor before retiring last year. today, he is out with a new memoir, titled, on call, a doctors journey in public service. dr. fauci, thank you for being with us. there are so many questions we could ask you. i want to start with an overview. what is the main message of this? what do you want readers and americans to take away from what you have written? >> i believe there are two main messages, joe. the first is somewhat of an unusual prospective that i had for being at the nih for 54 years, and being director of the infectious disease institute for almost 40 years.

and i had the privilege of dealing with seven presidents through some of the most impactful outbreaks of infectious diseases in history. it is located by the early years of hiv, and the last years of my career there with covid. it has been an extraordinary journey, as i say in the title, in public service. so, i thought it would be a good way to get a historical personal perspective, also i hope that encourages young people who had any interest in medical, science, public health, or even public service, of how gratifying that a career in public service could be. two reasons. >> so, we could ask again about a lot of time your time with donald trump, extraordinarily momentous because of the pandemic. i am curious, though, looking back through the years, your public service, what are

you most proud of? what do you writes about in here, as you are going back through the years do you think, wow, we really got that right? >> there are several things. a very early part of my career, when i developed some remission reducing therapies for diseases, way before hiv, that were really very, very highly fatal diseases, inflammatory autoimmune diseases. then, in 1981, things changed and i started on hiv, which was a 40 year journey of first what was almost hopelessness of almost exclusively young, men in the earliest of the 80s, to the development of drugs, and essentially turning around a life of these individuals in collaboration with the pharmaceutical companies. i am most proud of the role i played as the director of the institute in getting these drugs to save so many lives throughout the world, but

probably, one of the most important things i am proud of, is working with president george w. bush to put together the president's emergency plan for aids relief plan. which now, 20 years into it, has been responsible for saving 25 million lives, mostly in the developing world, mostly in sub- saharan africa, and finally, my institute, the vaccine center that i established when i was director, played a major role in the development of the covid vaccines, again in collaboration with the pharmaceutical companies. it has been a very long journey. there are several landmarks in there that i feel very good about. >> so, dr. fauci, 40 years of helping, and or healing, sometimes both at once. in all of those 40 years, could you ever imagine the impact that the latter years, dealing with

covid, dealing with the virus, helping cure people with the vaccine, that you and your family would come under such a sustained clinical result of salt? >> that never in my wildest dreams would have occurred to me. they've had disagreements all along. having advised seven residents, it is very likely that you will get differences of opinion, diversity of political ideology, and people would sometimes try and get one point or so over the other. we saw that all the time, but it wasn't the dumbfounded degree of divisiveness now, where instead of having diversity of opinions, we have profound division, vitriol, and ad hominem, which is completely indifferent, even back when republicans were mixing it up with the democrats, arguing

about things, there was always collegiality, civility, and there was respect for institutions. now, in the last few years, it has sort of disappeared. >> to follow that question, we know head into a moment, where, because of that divisiveness, it has become a political issue, vaccinations in particular, have become a political issue, where you have, not just donald trump, but others said, no, don't take the covid vaccine and other prominent figures saying, no, you should not take other vaccines as well for other things that have become standard that everyone has received for decades. with this much disinformation, anger, flat out vaccine hesitancy, how nervous are you about our ability to handle the next pandemic, whatever it might be? >> i am very concerned about that. the misinformation and disinformation about absolutely, scientifically proven lifesaving interventions it is astonishing to me that so many people, by political ideology, will make a decision

that could actually endanger their lives. i mean, the facts are, as a physician and a scientist, this is very painful to me, that if you look at red states, versus blue states, because of people getting less vaccinated because you are a republican versus a democrat, there are more deaths and hospitalizations in red states, versus blue states, that is horrible that that happens, that people suffer and die, because of misinformation related to a political ideology. >> dr. fauci, we are in an environment now, in which americans' faith and trust in institution is arguably at an all-time low. it is not only public health, not only science, it is government, journalism. there is a lot of soul- searching going on now in those institutions. i wonder, though, if you think that public health has some soul-searching to do in terms

of how it lost the trust of the american public, especially thinking about the early days of the pandemic, where, not only donald trump, but even public health officials at all levels of government, were not telling americans what they knew about the virus and what they did not know, but arguably telling them, what they thought they needed to know, and got it wrong in terms of the need to wear masks, in terms of the virus being airborne, that led to 30,000 deaths in six weeks in new york city. >> there is always soul- searching to be done, in anything particularly as extraordinary as the pandemic that killed 1.2 million people, nobody is perfect and nobody did everything right. we did a lot of things right, but not everything right, i would take a little issue with what they were saying about telling people what you think they want to hear. i think what we need to do better is to get people to understand that we were dealing with a moving target and science, as a discipline, is

self-correcting, so that, if you look at what is going on in january and february of 2020, what we knew then, what we know about the virus and the fact that the virus was changing, we need to make it more clear to people that we will report what we know, based on, in real time, what the evidence is. if the evidence changes, the public can sometimes get the opinion, these scientists are flip-flopping, they are changing their mind. we need to understand better and explained better that science is a discipline that allows you to collect information. and when that information changes, science demands that you change your opinion based on the new information. we do not do a very good job of that. >> joe. >> we are talking about the first pandemic since 18, 1819. we often talk about the fog of war. this pandemic was a war of its own kind, you know with over 1

million people dying. i am just curious how frustrating it is to you that people go back and pick up something that you may have said in march 2020, or something another health official or politician may have said later in that year, whether it was about masks or vaccines, or anything, we did not know, none of us knew where this was going. none of us knew like for instance, how long with the vaccine work? would we need a booster every five years or one every five months? how frustrating is it for you that people look back at 2020 in hindsight and judge you when the rest of the world was in a fog of war? >> it was frustrating that relates to the question just a moment ago, where i was saying that people really don't appreciate, and i don't blame them for it to me but they don't appreciate that we were dealing with a moving target. we were saying things in the beginning, wear a mask, or not to me how the virus was spread. originally, it was spread

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live, laugh, love gang. it turns out the glass are walking across the street was actually walking into his own house. >> i've been watching the news reports lately, that european lady does not look like she is in a gang. >> maybe she is one of the good ones! and now, our new neighbors will stop it nothing until the whole town is brainwashed by their woke agenda. >> you can't treat people like this, your behavior is rude, and dangerous and i think you are a racist. >> i will not stand for it. so it has to defend the traditional values that make our country so great. >> the white lives matter signs raise money for european victims of police violence. >> what about all lives? don't all lives matter? what about my life, specifically marks >> that is a clip from the new audiobook, "new nigeria county," a satire that flips the script on race and gender

equality. he tells the story of a white family that moved into an affluent black community and when a misunderstanding between neighbors escalates, the entire town is swept up in the drama. the author of the audiobook, claire brown, joins us. congratulations. we were talking during the break how interested we all were in this. tell us about the genesis of the story itself. >> this story started on tiktok. i started making tiktok videos in 2020. all kind of flipping the script and i created this character, caren walker. she is sort of a micro aggressor , right? she sort of does micro aggressions against european americans. so, i created this fictional universe, all kind of centered around this one woman. >> so, what do you take as the aim of the satire? what is the arc of the

narrative? >> definitely. so, i started my videos around george floyd's death. and i noticed a lot of black americans were talking about their experiences with micro aggressions. and i noticed that our white counterparts were shocked. they were like, what, this happens, in 2020? i can't believe it. and i thought there was an empathy gap, right? people just weren't understanding when we were saying, this was our experience, so why not make white people experience what we'd experienced? so, flipping it around helped people and people always tell me , it kind of helps them understand what we are talking about. it makes them seat like, i can see how micro aggressions are really anything but micro, and how you are constantly thinking of navigating, of places that

aren't necessarily built for you and what that can feel like and look like. >> how do we take it-- as you know, i was very involved in the george floyd protests and all. how do we take it from empathy, to actually changing the circumstances? because, as i pick up from your audiobook, you are talking about people, micro-aggression in a certain area, but what protects them, in the long run, it is not just about getting a therapist and sitting down saying, can't we get along? it is about what protects us from having things like george floyd bylaws, and would protect other things that may not be as far as murder, but housing, and access to capital. how do we bring the discussion there, clare? >> definitely. i don't know if i have the solve , but i do talk about kind of the protection that certain people have within their communities. so, new nigeria county, there is a

community where caren lives, it is called, malcolm x estates, it is very affluent . and we kind of see this circle of a moment. there is an inciting incident at the very beginning of the audiobook, where caren sees what she believes to be a gang member wandering around her neighborhood, turns out, it is just her new neighbor's son, but she calls the cops on him and this begins this series of crits where the events, where her neighbors are trying to advocate for themselves, but caren is trying to defend her neighborhood. one thing that was important to me is that this story is a circle and when you listen to it, it really is a circle with the protagonist starting and ending in the same place, because i did want to demonstrate, i don't necessarily have a solve for how to fix micro aggressions, but i can show the experience in a way that makes people think about it, and not dismiss it, which is so easy to do.

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the new cycle is moving so fast these days, it's easy to miss important stories and updates. here are a few we thought you should catch. >> the first presidential bait is one week away. forget the debate. i say we put them both in a hammock in the first to stand up is our next president. [ applause ] biden has occluded himself at camp david where he is preparing for this out like rocky balboa. getting ready for club relying. trump is hard at work trying to decide if you will go for the scented or unscented aqua net. >> together abate the camp dated where the debate prep will likely be fueled by his favorite drink, orange gatorade. which explains this new ad. ♪ ♪

>> is it nu? >> yes. >> good. good. i'm glad. you've got to stay hydrated. you've got to stay hydrated. >> i like orange gatorade too. lemon line it's probably my favorite. in wilmington, delaware, there is a store near where his transition headquarters was so i spent a lot of time there in the fall and winter of 2020 and there is a store that sold souvenir scented candles. the scent was orange gatorade. his love for gatorade is well known. and as you heard from late night comics, both campaigns are in debate prep mode with less than a week to go before the show down in atlanta. we will go through the strategies for both president biden and his challenger, donald trump. and speaking of the former president, new reporting on alarming comments he made about the use of nuclear weapons and

could today be the day we finally get a ruling on trump's immunity claim? the supreme court is expected to release more decisions later this morning. as we heard from legal experts on the show yesterday, the delay in many ways is the decision. we may hear from them today on the immunity case. it may spill into next week but because it's taking them so long, there is little to no chance that january 6 federal trial can even happen before the election so many feel, democrats feel for sure, that the court has put their thumb on the scale. >> we are reaching into the no chance realm. that seems to be the consensus of most lawyers. if not the chief dropped -- chief justice will go to members of the supreme court of the bench and say, can you read this up? that's not the way i'm told the supreme court works. if there are justices who want this to be delayed then they can slow walk this one. let's see if we get the day.

for the first time in months president joe biden has overtaken donald trump and national polling averages. according to the poll aggregate site 538, biden took a 0.1% lead in the race yesterday. that is the first time that biden has led since march, which is as far back as the website tracker goes. the change comes after a series of recent polls show biden narrowly ahead of trump, though those results were within the margin of error. trump has continued to lead and a number of swing state polls. most also within the margin of error. meanwhile president biden travel to camp david last night and will spend the next few days there with a team of advisers preparing for the presidential debate if the plan is for biden to remain at camp david until monday, but he may stay longer if he needs to as the june 27 debate draws closer. preparations will likely include full-length mock debates

. campaign officials say the president is gearing up to hold donald trump accountable for his extreme record and the dangerous things he's been saying on the trail, namely ripping away reproductive rights , promoting political violence, undermining our democratic institutions, and doing the bidding of his billionaire donors to fund tax giveaways to the ultra-wealthy and corporations. we know that joe biden is preparing to have a fairly conventional debate prep session. my understanding from talking to the trump campaign that's not necessarily the case with donald trump. >> the words conventional and trump really end up in the same sentence together. on the biden site we showed an image of him flashing a thumbs up as he was boarding marine one. that was in response to a question from a reporter asking how the debate was going. that is all he had to say. and they are being tightlipped as to how this will go pick we know that his former chief of staff and veteran of democratic presidential debate prep as

part of the team at camp david. bob bauer, his lawyer and the man who played donald trump in the 2020 debate prep will be there, as well. they will prepare the prison for what i think will be deeply personal attacks from donald trump including about hunter biden. encourage him to retain a presidential field but flashing a little temper. that's not a bad thing pick it will be human and that will connect with voters whose families have struggles with addiction. while donald trump and his team have long downplayed that he does any formal debate prep at all, trump is not exactly winging it. he's been holding formal policy sessions where he discussed topics that will likely come up puke issues the trump campaign has maintained are notable weaknesses for president biden. we are told at nbc he discussed the economy and inflation was senator j.d. vance. immigration with former white house aide stephen miller and former acting ice head tom holman. he held a session with former

acting director of national intelligence, rick grenell, a national security. senior adviser said trump spent time meeting with marco rubio and eric schmidt. next week trump is planning a debate watch party in atlanta, said to be attended by several allies and vice presidential hopefuls. what is clear is that debate next thursday is a huge early moment in this race. to talk about it we are lucky to have a former aide to the george w. bush white house and state department, a pulitzer prize- winning columnist and associate editor of the washington post and msnbc analyst, and deputy managing editor for politics at politico. you just saw sam host way too early and do so adeptly. the last complement he gets for me today. so, eugene, let's talk about the debate. both camps have been tightlipped as to how they will prepare. that makes sense. but before we get into the

nitty-gritty let's frame the stakes in line next week matter so much. >> this race is balance on knife edge. he went through the polling. biden having inched ahead in polls that have been within the margin of error for a lot of time. state polls still show trump with the lead. this is such a close race that anything, any moment when the two are together and you can compare them side-by-side had potentially a huge impact on which way this thing will go because it will go one way or the other. so it's a really big moment. i think the biden camp sees it as an opportunity to -- for the first time really get the american people to focus on this stark choice. and i think that trump feels he can kind of pour it on in the

way that he tries to pour it on. it's going to be fascinating. and also a weird format because there is no audience. there won't be cheering. the microphones will be muted when they're not speaking. what i'm looking for is whether any sort of back and forth between the two of them is allowed. coming up we read from a new piece in the atlantic with the title, the motivated ignorance of trump supporters. some things should stand the test of time. long lasting eylea hd could significantly improve your vision and can help you go up to 4 months between treatments. if you have an eye infection, eye pain or redness, or allergies to eylea hd, don't use. eye injections like eyla hd may cause eye infection, separation of the retina, or rare but severe swelling of blood vessels in the eye. an increase in eye pressure has been seen.

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peter wehner has a new piece for the atlantic titled "the motivated ignorance of trump supporters" and in it he writes, motivated ignorance refers to willfully blinding oneself to fax. it's choosing not to know. in many cases, for many people, knowing the truth is simply too costly, too psychologically painful, too threatening to their core identity. if they are presented with

strong arguments against a position they hold, or compelling evidence that disproves the narratives they embrace, they will reject them. doing so fends off the psychological distress of the realization that they have been lying to themselves and to others. it's one thing to embrace a conspiracy theory that is relevant only to you and your tiny corner of the world. it's an entirely different matter if the falsehood you're embracing and promoting is venomous, harming others, eroding cherished principles, promoting violence, and subverting american democracy. a generation from now, and probably sooner, it will be obvious to everyone that trump supporters can't claim they didn't know. this is incredibly powerful. amanda, take it away. this, to me, is the fear i have

about trump's stranglehold on our democracy. >> i'm not surprised that peter got it exactly right in the atlantic that i think it gets to the discussion about the rnc debate. if you don't mind i was practically jumping out of my seat. i am not a betting woman, but i would happily take the other side of james carville's wager for the exact point that donald trump will not turn an opportunity for confrontation. when it comes to messaging to his supporters does presidential debate even though is the earliest in history is a huge opportunity to speak on that mass level. and i'm almost certain that he will use it as an opportunity to reinforce the lives about joe biden that he has been actively telling. if you look at every media opportunity, the cnn town hall he had earlier this year, he uses it to do a few things. one, reinforced the 2020 big

election live. and number two, promote the lie that the department of justice is being unfairly westernized against him by puppeteer joe biden. the biden campaign better be preparing for trump to directly confront him about that. because as you noted, no one understands how to play to the cameras like donald trump. yes, his microphone may be muted , but he is going to go hard at him and try to use the power dynamics of that stage to knock joe biden office gave. and i would not be surprised if he also hits him in the gut with the hunter biden stuff. he understands that gets to the heart of joe biden. and i just don't think there is any chance that donald trump says, you know what? i'm not me is that opportunity laid before me to directly reinforce those lies to his supporters. >> stand back and standby. >> exactly. and he does. he is a disruptor

and he is going to figure out. you can cut off the microphones or do whatever you do, he is a disruptor. he doesn't really know the facts or the issues well at all so he has to disrupt. he has to shock. is like your father wrote about the soviet union. you can't play by the rules. they can't play by the rules that america plays by because the old soviet union was inferior intellectual. inferior until i really -- militarily and economically and inferior politically. they were inferior in every way. that's donald trump. he cannot debate joe biden on the merits so he is going to be a disruptor in the biden team better be prepared for donald trump -- i mean, what would a disruptor go? you're going to cut up my microphone. i'm going to walk over to your microphone and going to get in your face. he could do that. he could -- imagine the most tend disruptor things donald trump could do, and he's going

to probably do those very things because he doesn't play by the rules and at the biden camp goes into this thinking he will play by marcus and queensberry rules, they will be shocked and the night will end badly for them. so, mike, i want to go back to peter wehner's excellent column in the atlantic. there has been handwringing. how do we understand the trump voters ? what do we need to understand? what is this about? the forgotten, working-class man and woman. blah blah blah. at this point this is about, as pete says, knowingly supporting a guy who has spewed authoritarian talking points. a guy who lies repeatedly. a guy who twists and bends the fact. lied about the last election. and averted down. he talked about how they don't like -- and presented with strong arguments, compelling

arguments, compelling facts, they will push away. i would say it's even more than that. they are allergic to basic facts. donald trump lies all the time. they are allergic to -- let's take the big lie for its instance. mike johnson knows it's a big lie. lindsey graham knows it's a big lie. they have 63 federal judges and courts that said this is a big lie. they have the supreme court that said this is a big lie. they know. with even republican officials sang from georgia to michigan, this is a big lie. they know it's a big light, so what do they do? they go to websites that are funded by qatar, or tv networks funded by qatar, or funded and run as a front for chinese

religious cults. bingo. they know what they are doing. at this point the gig is up. you know exactly what they are doing. they are spreading lies in support of a guy who wants to be an authoritarian leader. >> you know, pete came up with a marvelous a phrase in that piece motivated ignorance. and the motivated ignorance of donald trump has been a lifetime habit. a lifetime habit. he has been operating on motivated ignorance since he's been 17 or 18 years of age. he did it all through his business career, all through his life nearly every day. and in politics he's done it consistently. andy has developed, indeed, a cult around him. no part of that cult, i would think given human nature, you would have to feel badly for because they are people who bought into what trump says in

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there is no audio donald trump admitting he lost the 2020 election and quickly reverting back to the original lie. this comes from research for the new book, apprentice and wonderland. he spoke to the former president six times and recorded the conversations. trump's admission that he lost came to a conversation about his relationship with geraldo rivera. >> what was geraldo like? beaming he was good. he did a good job. he was smart conning he did a good job. >> and are you guys still close? >> no. i don't think so. he is -- after i lost the

election -- i won the election but when they said we lost, he called me up three or four times spin after i lost the election i won the election. in another conversation between trump and the president, the former president boded said joan rivers voted for him in 2016. >> joan said she was a republican. did you know that? beaming up as she might've been a republican. i know one thing. she voted for me according to what she said. >> one small hitch with all of that. joan rivers died two years before that election. same, we hear the former president think in his own words, joan rivers stuff aside, i lost the election but the weekly does say though she gets back on track and on message. >> pavlovian. yeah. i don't read too much into it. i think he has -- i think he

knows he lost the election probably but has convinced himself otherwise but he will never say it. might be a slip up here are there and the idea that he would ever admit it to me seems almost impossible because it's so core to his political appeal. this idea that something was taken from him. and relatedly from his supporters. that is essentially by the basis of the campaign. he talks about it all the time is retribution. what do you have retribution for? for this grave injustice done to you, which is the election denied. everyone knows it's a lie. there's been countless lawsuits to litigate this. no extensive corruption overturned but that is the world he lives in that we are forced to live in? >> and as you say there are plenty of people testify during the general six committee hearing that said he knew it was a lot, as well. i agree with sam. i don't think this will have a huge impact on the campaign. sounds like a slip of the tongue that he quickly wanted to put right in his own mind. payment the bigger question is

who will joan rivers cast a ballot for this time? >> that is important because we know that that people vote. >> and that is part of donald trump's lies. moving to the present day. during a radio interview yesterday with a milwaukee- based hall, vice president kamala harris suggested donald trump's comment about milwaukee as being horrible in a meeting held with house republicans last week represents a larger pattern of the former president attacking the dominantly complexities. >> your opponent thinks milwaukee is less than wonderful. in fact, he called it horrible. i know you've been here many times. madame vice president, have your experiences in milwaukee led you to believe that this is a horrible city? >> let me tell you. i love milwaukee and a chemical coming back to milwaukee. you look at what donald trump did to apparently criticize milwaukee. you know, he did that with my home city of oakland. he did that as a relates to baltimore, as a relates to

atlanta and philadelphia. and i'll let your listeners connect the dots in terms of what all the cities have in common but there seems to be a pattern of play. >> trump later tonight he called milwaukee horrible claiming he was only referring to the city's crime rate and what he claims are voting issues. there is also reporting that he planned to stay in chicago during the democratic -- national convention. which would allow him to bill secret service staying with him . >> funny thing. >> so he could make money off it while he's there. there is no doubt that the cities he criticizes, often many times have black mayors are large black populations and he uses them to create an image of chaos and fear and crime, usually not backed up by the numbers but it's part of his pitch. >> it's part of his pitch. this is not new. go all the way back to the central park five and draw the line right to the present day. and look, let's be honest, that

is part of his appeal to his base. you know, not explicitly we hate black cities, but atmospherically, you know, tribally, he makes that pitch. so it's not coded language anymore. it's just kind of, you know, bullhorn. >> it's just a true -- joke, trump's idea that he will woo black voters from biden in significant numbers enough to change the narrative. basically what he is doing is he trying to make white voters who think that trump is racist and have good cause to think so feel that perhaps trump is doing outreach so maybe that's how he stands to potentially win. much like johnson ran those ads in wisconsin about all he had done for the black unity and

that was not to win a black voters, it was to reassure white voters. that was on the funniest moments at a focus group in detroit with some black voters and asking them about trump's comments and to respond. it was just laughable. laughter. full on laughter. >> trying to create information structure for people to vote. still a bold choice to alienate the residents of the largest city in perhaps the biggest swing state. >> where you will have your convention. it's like -- >> it's such a cool city. i love milwaukee. i think it's a great city. if i had to choose a midwest place, it's a good city. good baseball field. good beer. i like going there. >> there's been a lot of milwaukee love in the last week and rightly so. coming up. as a possible that florida is really in play for democrats? we will ask party chair jamie harrison next. for bo what straps bold to a rocket and hurtles it into space?

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donald trump is backtracking on a plan to stay at his hotel in chicago during the republican national convention in milwaukee. the about-face cam about after reporters found out about his plans which involve trump staying at the trump tower in the windy city and commuting 90 miles north to the host city of milwaukee. which of course donald trump said was a terrible town.

trump disputed those reports telling an nbc affiliate he planned to stay in milwaukee all along. but hours later, chicago law enforcement did confirm they were planning security for a trump stay during the rnc convention as recently as yesterday and have been coordinating safety measures with the trump campaign both in person and by phone. according to the chair of the city council public safety committee, the trump campaign abruptly change their minds and communicated with the city to say that they weren't going to come after all. let's bring in the chairman of the democratic national committee, jamie harrison. the dnc will host the convention in mid august in chicago. i don't know if it was a memory lapse or what it was, but donald trump was planning to stay in chicago and according to city officials there, abruptly changed yesterday when that news became public. and the same city he said was horrible is now a city that he

says, reluctantly i think, he will have to stay there during the rnc convention. what does that say to the people of milwaukee and the voters in wisconsin? >> well, it says, folks, when donald trump tells you what he believes, believe him the first time. and that's why we have billboards all across milwaukee reminding people what donald trump said. he believes that milwaukee is a horrible city. milwaukee is a great city. it's a great city with great traditions and these are hard- working people who go out and work hard each and every day. you know, donald trump probably is a little upset that the county that milwaukee is in is -- 70% of that boat in milwaukee went to joe biden in 2020 and will make sure that even more goes to joe biden in 2024. >> mr. chairman, we took note earlier that it seems that the cities that donald trump always castigates just happen to be

cities that have black mayors. i don't believe that's a coincidence. and always cities with a large urban population. at the same time, i know there has been reports that the dnc is also targeting states like florida. i was there last night and there seem to be a lot of energy. can you confirm those reports about florida, and how do you feel there is a real chance of winning florida? i know there is a lot of issues there about banning books. there is a large haitian community we are rattling around haiti in brooklyn tonight. a lot of people concerned about that. how do you target florida and how do you deal with trump's habit of hitting black mayors? >> i was in florida yesterday as well. i was in tallahassee and did a big press conference with the state party chair and many of the candidates that are running, for the first time in 30 years, every seat, every

statehouse, every state senate, every congressional seat, we have a democrat running for that seat. that's the first time that has happened in 30 years. and you know over the last few years we have picked up big wins in jacksonville. we have a democratic mayor now in debt jacksonville. we flipped republican seats in that statehouse in the central part of florida so there's a lot of momentum. we know the reproductive rights and freedoms will be on the ballot this election cycle so the stars are aligning in florida. and i'm telling people, the biggest sleeper of the night may be florida on election date so we can't sleep on florida. we have to invest in florida and make sure we are fighting back against that hatred and bigotry and division that we see and that state led by ron desantis and donald trump. so we are all in and we will be pushing forward. the biden campaign has opened offices in florida and we will continue to make progress over

the course of these next few months. as it relates to the cities with black mayors, it's important. these mayors are doing some amazing work of transforming their cities come and they have been able to do it because of a partnership with joe biden. think about it. these mayors have gotten billions of dollars of investments in terms of infrastructure on the bipartisan infrastructure built that joe biden got done her donald trump promised that we would have infrastructure and never fill a pothole. but it was joe biden who got it done in his first year at the largest investment in our infrastructure since dwight eisenhower so we will continue to make progress with those mayors and continue to see those cities strive and be the excellent cities that they are. >> mr. chairman. good morning. good to see you. you were in milwaukee last week and comparing the records of president biden with president trump, particularly with black voters. beyond the speeches and interviews but talking one-on- one with like motors and

visiting neighborhoods in the cities what are the arguments you are making to voters that seem to resonate best? >> i talk about the record of this president, particularly for black america because many folks still don't quite get the full picture. think about what joe biden has been able to do. he has been one of the most transformative presidents for black america. he changed our primary -- to elevate black voices but instead of being at the back of the line, black voices are at the front of the line. black judges. joe biden has been transformative 59 of 201 judges have been black. he supported more black women to the appellate court and all presidents combined. the first president to appoint a black woman to the vice president and that u.s. supreme court. on the student loans that disproportionately impact black people. joe biden has let on that. the only president that has led on that.

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the supreme court is scheduled to privately discuss for the first time whether the court will weigh in on conflicting lower court decisions involving the fda regulations on e-cigarettes this comes two weeks after the fda reversed a ban on e- cigarette products produced by juul labs. the company largely seen as helping spark the youth vaping trend. i will confirm that. they definitely were part of that.

juul products have remained on store shelves where the company appealed the fda initial decision in the summer of 2022. joining us now are the co-hosts of the new audible exclusive podcast, backfired: the vaping wars , which tells the stories of the rise and fall of juul labs , and the debate over vaping in the world of public health. so, i think a podcast on this is perfect because there are pros and cons, i guess. as i was raising kids, i saw a lot of kids vaping, and it made inhaling dangerous substances really easy to conceal and do at all times. bottom line. >> absolutely. i think that is a very concise way of framing one side of this debate. but there are two sides.

smoking remains the leading cause of death and disease in the united states. something like 400,000 americans die every year from smoking-related causes. souther is another camp that says this is probably the best solution we have to combat that problem. of course the other side says it's not worth it if it means that millions of american children end up addicted to nicotine. >> let's talk more about those unintended consequences. >> of course juul when it came out they need to make their product attractive to all of their customers. you asked juul and they say, of course we did not want to target kids but they put out ads that may juul look cool. the people who walked around with juul and their hands looked like they were fancy people with invitations to cool parties. and i think that appeal to kids . just as it did to adults. i am someone, and to talk about this on the podcast, i was a smoker and i struggled with getting my whole life and my dad

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the team and got him banned from the league for life. joining us now is the show creator, the showmen are an executive producer, gina welch and actress, "clipped" two. she plays donald sterling's ambitious personal assistant in the show. thank you for being here. congrats on the film. gina, let's start with you. what led you to this particular topic? donald sterling widely perceived as the worst owner the nba has ever had? >> yeah. it was in the early part of 2020, fx and the producers sent me and the podcast, the 30 for 30 podcast, i thought it was this absurd, fascinating, cast of characters. just an unbelievable, entertaining story with something really substantial to look at, in terms of the structures of power in our country.

you know, my approach to it was really to look at what it was like for people living and working and trying to thrive and achieve their goals under the power of this toxic, incompetent -- >> the clippers have been the second team to los angeles. remind viewers of who donald sterling was before this incident. >> donald sterling had for a long time been a notoriously, racist man, property owner in los angeles and acquired the team, i think in 1980, and drifted to los angeles but the clippers were considered the worst franchise in sports. he never won a championship. in 2013 there had the first chance at winning it with this incredible roster. doc rivers came to coach the team in l.a. >> tell us about your character. >> i play an assistant to

donald sterling. when we beat her in the show, she has been working for him for a few years and it's an interesting dynamic with him and his wife. and then everything kind of blows up. >> tell us some of the themes from the series that drew you to it. >> she is a complicated character and i would put it to gina's talent as a writer. i think the scandal happened and she was reported on in a one-dimensional way and it took someone like gina to really see the value in vee is a character. i think there are many ways the show could've been made and i'm so glad this one takes the perspective of unpacking her as a human being. and as an actor, it's exciting to play someone that's complicated and is a full meal. >> a compelling character to say the least. tell us also about this idea, on 80 dynamic that exists in all sports where there is an

owner, often, especially in this case, an older white man picked the athletes are african american. plays a big part as well. >> the approach to it was derived from a lawsuit that elgin baylor filed. he and the former gm of the clippers and had been in and be a great before he took the position. when he left, when he was forced out of the team in 2008, he sued the nba and donald sterling and andy roeser and he called donald sterling's attitude a plantation mentality so it was speaking to the power structures and not only the nba but professional sports. >> that's all the time we have today. thank you for watching. come back tomorrow at 6:00 a.m. eastern for a new look at the week's highlights. until then, enjoy your weekend. good morning. it is saturday, june 22nd