owner, often, especially in this case, an older white man picked the athletes are african american. plays a big part as well. >> the approach to it was derived from a lawsuit that elgin baylor filed. he and the former gm of the clippers and had been in and be a great before he took the position. when he left, when he was forced out of the team in 2008, he sued the nba and donald sterling and andy roeser and he called donald sterling's attitude a plantation mentality so it was speaking to the power structures and not only the nba but professional sports. >> that's all the time we have today. thank you for watching. come back tomorrow at 6:00 a.m. eastern for a new look at the week's highlights. until then, enjoy your weekend. good morning. it is saturday, june 22nd.

i am alicia menendez with symone sanders-townsend and michael steele. ahead of the supreme court, has donald trump already won his immunity case before it was decided? biden on offense . the most pointed criticism yet. inside project 2025, our deep dive into the conservative plan to reshape american government forever. grab your coffee, settle in. welcome in to "the weekend". ♪ ♪ this week, as my microphone tries to fall off, the supreme court did not release the decision on trump's presidential immunity claim, giving a boost to the ex- president's delay tactics and

stalling the federal election interference case against him. the trial started on march 4, as originally scheduled and we could have had averted by now attorney marc elias says the supreme court has silently created a new form of immunity for donald trump, immunity by delay. joining us now is the guru, senior writer, mark joseph stern. we need to add that to your bayou. >> the question, i think, remains for a lot of folks, that it is very obvious that this supreme court, we've got 13, 14 decisions left, something like that. that is based, certainly, the immunity case is what everyone is looking for. this is a process that could have been taking care of way earlier. what are you hearing in reading in the supreme court's lack of urgency, with respect to

something that is very, very important. people are making decisions about their decisions. >> absolutely. the supreme court is slow walking the trump immunity case in a way, intentionally or not, has made it complicit in the former president's bid to delay his trial bullied beyond the election. and of course, if he wins, they could have easily resolved this case in february when the supreme court issued a strong decision. the supreme court could have simply said, we agree or a could have refused to take the case. instead, it took the case on a not very fast paced schedule. it is not going to issue a decision until, at the earliest, the middle or end of next week. that ensures trump will not have a trial before november. we won't get meaningful discovery of the federal election interference case, voters will be denied critical information they are owed and the justice system has been ground to a halt by the very

court that is supposed to set the apex of it and make sure it is running efficiently. >> i really like it for you. it made you closer to the tiktok star you are. >> it was a tiny mic situation. i have a job so tiktok can't hire me. >> the further we get from this hearing, the way the stakes may not be as clear for everyone. listen to justice ketanji brown jackson talking about this, not only for donald trump but the president that will be setting. >> what i am, i guess, more worried about, you seem to be worried about the president being chilled. i think we would have a really significant opposite problem if the president wasn't chilled. if someone with those kinds of powers, the most powerful person in the world with the greatest amount of authority could go into office knowing that there would be no potential penalty for committing crimes. i am trying to understand what the disincentive is from turning the oval office into, you know, the seat of criminal activity in this country.

>> as we await this ruling, i just want to underscore to folks, this is bigger than donald trump. we are not just talking about donald trump here. >> sure. all of the justices made that point but there was a huge rift between conservatives and liberals. the conservative justices, like neal gorsuch and brett kavanaugh that we are too focused on donald trump's conduct and we will create a

rule that allows him to be punished and prevents future presidents from fully exercising the power of their office. isn't that what we should really be afraid of? shouldn't we be worried about stopping presidents from fulfilling their constitutional duties. i felt to justice jackson, as usual, one that the majority of voters agree with but we, too, want the president to feel chilled about weaponize in the powers of his office to halt the transition of power and interfere with the democratic process. it is good that justice jackson was able to make that point but i am not sure it will come through in the decision. the liberals have to sign on to some kind of compromise, maybe with justice roberts and justice amy coney barrett. if trump loses in november, of course, a big if, otherwise, fortunately, justice jackson's fears will come true and the message the court will have sent to trump is that in your second term, don't worry about committing crimes because we've got your back . >> i, alicia jokes about me being a tiktok star but literally i was in my car doing a tiktok yesterday about this very thing. it is like the supreme court, either they have decided that donald trump is the king and presidents are kings, united states presidents are kings or donald trump or any other president should be able to do

that. what are you able to tell us? >> i could not agree more. i think the problem here is that the supreme court's conservatives are, if not corrupt, then wrapped up in this fantasy of a presidency that has safeguards, that has guard rails against abuse and corruption and they don't think what donald trump did come at the end of the day, was all that bad. this came out loud and clear on the conservatives' decision where the court refused to grapple its question on whether trump engaged in insurrection and refuse to address the true tragedy of january sixth and the non-originalist opinion that allow trump to appear on the ballot, despite the 14th's amendment on holding office. we could see that same dynamic play out. maybe that is the reason for the delay behind-the-scenes but it is possible that justice sam alito has been dragging out the process to run as much interference for trump as possible, run out the clock and make sure his guy doesn't have to see any meaningful progress

in this case before the november election. >> i want to shift to guns. you have a number of decisions in this space sent in by this court that have said, for example, okay, y'all, just go ahead and stick this little bump stock thing on here and fire 800 rounds a minute. no human figure, i will repeat again, justice thomas, no human finger can pull the trigger that fast. then you have, you have that extremism, again, playing out with respect to the latest decision, thomas was the lone dissenter, signifying the rest of the court's mad dash away from his extremist position on the second amendment. you have justice roberts talking about our nation's firearm laws preventing individuals who threaten ms. the >> physical harm to others from misusing them. coming down to an individual who is -- >> an abuser, domestic abuse or. >> an abusive cannot have access to a weapon. how are we to reconcile this

court lacks [ laughter ] 8-1. >> alito was like, no, i don't think the abuser should not have guns. >> you know, a man is beating the crap out of somebody but they can have a gun. how do you reconcile that? >> we are into originalist women textualism and it should provide consistency. we just look at the fixed meaning of words at the time and it prevents us from going crazy and imposing our differences. we get the same answer every time. it turned out to be original is a man textualism a total chaos agent that has befuddled lower

courts and sewed extraordinary confusion in the law and and has given the supreme court a new tool to justify whatever it wants and backfilled that conclusion with whatever reasoning they can dredge up, from some dictionary in 1789 and a handful of historical evidence that may not even be true. that is what we saw in this bump stock case versus this domestic abuser case. six justices wanted bump stocks to be legal so they found a way to make them legal. six conservatives did not think that domestic abuser should be allowed to have guns. they couldn't stomach the consequences of their own case, they could not follow their own logic to the extremes where it led so they just changed their history, the text and their reasoning is that this is a new role. i am happy with the outcome we should all be very happy with the outcome. it does not prove that this court is moderate or constrained. it proves the court is driven by policy preferences. there are extremes that are too far for any justices but clarence thomas is on his own saying give us the health skate he thinks the constitution demands. >> he has been consistent about the house kp wants.

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there seems to be a pattern . >> that was vice president kamala harris this week, calling trump out for his pattern of attacking predominately black cities. now, we are very familiar with this by now because leaders of the cities and states mostly ignored trump, instead focusing on benefiting their communities instead of criticizing them. take maryland governor wes moore, for example. this week he signed an executive order parting more than 175,000, 175,000 marijuana convictions, the first time mass pardons have been issued for marijuana and paraphernalia related convictions.

now, i think that is an important move. we will talk to the government -- governor about it. guess who is at the table with us? maryland's governor, wes moore. thank you for being here. >> always maryland, always. >> we got it right here. there we go. >> good morning to you, it is my understanding that in the state of maryland, even when someone has received one of these pardons, it does not get expunged during a housing get application or employment application. i imagine this is step one of the process. do you think there is the appetite in the state legislature to actually do something to further protect some of these folks? >> there is an there will be.

this was an important first step. we acknowledge it is just that. tens of thousands of people who i pardoned actually got their records expunged simultaneously. there are still some who are in the expungement process that people will have to go to now with this part in. it essentially is a formality for them to go through this process because eventually, what the pardon offers, there is no longer any guilt attached to what that is and it is a power that falls exclusively in the office of the governor. we understand you cannot talk about the benefits we have been having from a minimalized cannabis market. it is now hundreds of millions of dollars of revenue coming into our state because of this cannabis market or 174 new social equity licenses that are going to black and brown individuals that now have these licenses and are creating an important industry. you cannot have that when you still have people who are not able to get a small business

loan. you can't do that when you are not able to get student loans. we knew there had to be a moment to write these wrongs and start this process and by having the largest mass pardon in the history of this country, with all of those convictions, maryland will lead . >> you were actually the first governor to act on something like this since the president decriminalized marijuana at the federal level. they happen at the state level which is why governor participation in this effort, frankly is not only important, but critical. why do you think that no other governor has acted and maryland is the first and leading the way. number two, now that you have done this, what can be done on the state level? have you heard from other governors and are they saying, okay, can you have your people talk to my people? we want to do this, too. >> we have. we are standing on the

shoulders of folks who have moved on these issues, even though they are complex and what people told us and are teams, you might want to tackle this one. it is a difficult one. there are a lot of parties, a lot of interest and a lot of feelings about it. we are bringing everyone to the table and bringing every perspective on law enforcement, we are hearing the perspective of advocates, we are hearing the perspective of states attorneys and public defenders and impacted individuals. i pardoned someone named shiloh, a person who had nothing else on his record besides a misdemeanor cannabis conviction and has not been able to get sustainable employment or a small business loan because he had a job he

was fired from on the second day because he did not pass a background check because of a misdemeanor cannabis convictions, something that is now legal. i think about the work the biden-harris administration does to be able to reschedule it, to go from a schedule one -- it should never have been in the same schedule is her one in the first place. the governors canal do this to make things right in our states. >> i want to pull back the curtain more and applied you on the worked in the cannabis space but overarching is this narrative that is out there by donald trump, some members of the party who look at urban communities, like baltimore, atlanta, philadelphia, milwaukee . can we say milwaukee? i want to play something representative elijah cummings, rest in peace, had to say in his reaction to donald trump dissing baltimore in 2019. let's listen. >> when i hear criticism by anybody about my city, i think the thing that bothers me most

is that we have a situation where there are folks who are stepping on the foot and the hope of our children. if i had, i don't know what i would have done if i had people in i places when i was a little boy tell me what i couldn't do. instead, i had people telling me what i could do. >> so, when you have a president or a presidential candidate who is telling young african american kids in these largely urban centers that their ancestors came from [ bleep ] countries, they live in infested communities, their city is horrible, how do you, how do you help them get around that narrative? certainly, actions you have taken like this we, your leadership on the collapse of the key bridge, is one thing.

this goes a little bit deeper. it really cuts young people to the core. how do you help them get through that and respond to that type of ugliness? >> it also pretense their policies have been influenced, the divestment, the pulling of resources from these communities. there is a line where it says, i was influenced by the you built. we have to understand, there is a historic context on all of this stop. baltimore, it is the birthplace of redlining, the birthplace of literally taking a map and say who could live wear based on skin color, the birthplace of baltimore is a place where we have watched the largest population drop of any american city with the exception of cleveland and detroit because of the businesses that move from it. we have to understand the historical context and we also know it is really nice to have an administration in this biden- harris administration that actually believes in us and doesn't talk about us as a

problem that needs to be solved. i see what is happening right now you can take baltimore as one example right now because it is crucial because we are working together. baltimore now has the eighth group fastest growing economy in the entire country. baltimore, right now, of all major american cities, baltimore has the second steepest drop in violent crime and homicides in any american city. baltimore now is on pace to have the lowest homicide rate we have had in our state. since i wasn't born yet. we are watching investments in everything with long-term deals, a 30 year deal with the baltimore orioles, the inner harbor to being a burgeoning community place, passing the most aggressive housing package in the state of maryland that has had a just portion it impact on baltimore city. it has begun.

when people want to spend time making digs at me in my community and the communities we serve, light will say is this, either come spend time and actually learn the truth, either come and invest and be part of it or stay out. >> i told, i invited, you are still welcome, mr. trump, i would be happy to take you personally on a trip to baltimore. you can visit. that you are running for president of all of us, come and visit some of us. >> if you don't want to do that, keep our name out your mouth. >> for right. as the children like to say, period. governor wes moore, thank you very much for your time. >> you, too. see, we started off strong today on "the weekend". we will keep it going because i had , a blueprint for a second trump term, you know that project 2025 everyone has talked about? we take it on with one of the architects. you are watching "the weekend". ♪ ♪ ekend". ♪ ♪ to help drive its growth and keep its supply chain moving,

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900 plus page presidential transition plan gives trump a detailed plan for presidential second term and, if executed, its stated goal is an alarming aligned, vetted and trained to work with conservatives on day want to deconstruct the state. it is built on four pillars. there is a policy agenda, personnel, training and a playbook to execute the think tank's plans. it is a blueprint for trump term officials. one of the architects of project 2025, the president of heritage foundation, dr. kevin roberts. >> good morning, dr. roberts. thank you for joining us and coming. yellow light the architects of project 2025 because everybody is talking about it. we saw what you did, the associated press and i think we just want to first start,

anchoring this conversation in. you told me this plan is a plan that is for anyone, not just for donald trump. you think president biden could implement some of it so you reject the assertion this is a plan that was cooked up specifically for the second coming of the trump administration. >> i appreciate your question. when you walk into your lobby, you have the words honesty and accuracy. that is an honest and accurate depiction. we appreciate that. secondly, we have offered a briefing up project 2025 dating back to last year to every candidate for presidency, including president biden. honest-to-goodness, i would be thrilled if president biden's team asked for a briefing. we understand we have different his own opinion on just about everything but i'd heritage we believe in telling the truth

with a smile on her face. the last point i should make is that now that former president trump is the nominee and president biden has not taken a project 2025 briefing, president trump will talk about policies in his administration, if he wins. project 2025 is something that will transcend the next four years, the next 10 years. it is the first time in the conservative history movement is that these are the most important things to remember. >> you have said this plan is about institutionalizing trumpism. i also know you all, not just the president of the heritage foundation, you are also president of the heritage action presidential committee. is it tied to trump or not? >> i set the context for that in the "new york times". the work of the heritage foundation is to

institutionalize trumpism as a new version of conservatism, conservatism that recognizes for every objective measure, the united states is weaker in 2024 than it was in 1984. we also think we are ultimately optimists. by institutionalizing trump and trumpism is what we are saying, even though we were known as ronald reagan's think tank, that was 40 years ago and we need to understand what time it is in america. right now, donald trump, whether someone likes it or not, i happen to like it, is the standardbearer. >> what time is it? >> yeah, i don't think it is time for trumpism in that regard. one of the things, as a lifelong follower and participant in heritage, haven't spoken in the roles i have played in the party, i see this as a dramatic shift away from those reagan is principles when you have someone like trump who has advocated some of the things he has. before we get to that, i want to get to this because you can't do anything until you remove what has been identified as a possible problem. that is 50,000 federal employees. the quote is, the massive

pinchhitting quest aims to recruit 20,000 people to serve in the next administration as a down payment on 4000 presidential appointments, potential replacements for as many as 50,000 federal workers or policy adjacent as droppers put it. policy adjacent to what? you are talking about people who were in federal court, my dad was a federal government employee. i would be appalled to see he could be on the chopping block because he is part of some deep state effort. talk to us about what that looks like. if heritage is calling for removing 50,000 federal employees, who are you replacing them with? when are they coming, if the and -- even if it is not 50,000, if it is 10,000 or 2000, where they coming from and who are you replacing them with? i suspect a lot of the people you are talking about have been in federal service a long time

and not just in public administrations. >> they have. 95% of them could give political contributions to the liberal democratic party. >> wait a minute. >> you are going to fire someone because they wrote a check to a democratic candidate? >> no. we will fire someone, the number needs to be more than 50,000 considering there are 2 million federal employees. over the last century, the radical left has seen the administrative state as the fourth branch of government. there are unelected bureaucrats, nothing against your dad, obviously, ultimately, we have to devolve power from the imperial state -- >> you wrote a check to a democratic candidate so you will be fired, without any appreciation or understanding where his political allegiance actually lies.

you take away their job, why does that matter? >> if they are doing their job about a mission, for example, the u.s. department of education. thankfully, president trump deserves credit for saying he wants to end the department of education. that means employees in that agency, even if they have been serving a mission with great competence will have to look for another job. what is more important than that, michael, we actually have a delivery mechanism for education in this country that reflects a 21st century. at heritage, we see this in a different way. you look at it in the lens of unmanned elected bureaucrats and want to say they are more important than the everyday american. we want to look at it from the standpoint of the everyday american and they should be put in the driver seat instead of unelected bureaucrats. >> they will never be in the driver seat because they are not doing the job. you are identifying who are trump aligned and letting them work. >> you are positive those people are incompetent. >> as much as you are thinking i think these people are incompetent, you are positing they are somehow executing a

nefarious agenda. >> some of them are. >> who are they? >> if i could interject because i actually did work for the federal government as the drama, i worked with the civil servants in the united states government, people who are not political appointees. they have the institution for knowledge. i think alicia has a question along those lines about what of policy priorities set identified in project 2025. >> i actually have a question about this upcoming election. is your organization going to accept the results of the 2024 presidential election? >> i believe dr. roberts can't hear. alicia just asked, will your organization accept the results of the 2024 election, regardless of the outcome. >> yes, if it is a fair election and there is no massive fraud. >> there was no massive fraud. >> there was election fraud. it has been documented over the years. by the way, the heritage foundation is concerned about election fairness for decades

and has been documenting this problem for very long time. >> i believe, according to the heritage foundation, sir, to your account, heritage foundation has done an investigation and according to your account, there have been 1513 proven instances of voter fraud across the united states since 1982. 1500 -- >> it is very hard to document. >> the democrat party is very good at fraud. the key thing here, which i think we would both agree on, we had aspired at the heritage foundation to see a poll after this election where every american believes their vote was counted. i care as deeply or someone on the political left with whom i disagree saying they have confidence in the election instead of turning this into a partisan discussion, what you have done a good job of, every american believes --

>> it is not partisan to ask if you will accept the results of the election. [ speaking in a global language ], i don't know if he can hear you, do you have another question? >> i do have another question, very interesting as it relates, dr. roberts, to the deportation of immigrants in the country . we talk about folks on the interior, how you see, any future administration, how would they utilize police forces and i.c.e. >> she is asking about immigration and how you see immigration in this plan, how you talk about using the national guard to deport individuals. alicia, tell me if i had anything? >> people on the interior, specifically. >> not people on the board, people in the interior. >> first of all, we need to close the border. secondly, we need to have the biggest mass deportations as a member in the history of america because it is unjust

and illegal and evil that over 10 million illegal aliens have come to this country. it is imperative we send those people back and we love immigrants but we also love the rule of law. >> so, how do you plan to carry that out? you talk about going door-to- door? i can read from the plant. >> the first thing is, there will be a lot of self deportation. the interesting thing you may not know is that people are talking about this and beginning to implement that and president trump deserves a lot of credit for talking about this, it causes people to say we will run the risk for doing something illegal and being arrested. there are three plants using the department of homeland security to return these people back to south of the border. the great thing is, even though the majority of people on the political left agree with this because they see the damage being done. >> we want to take a a couple more minutes . we want to take

a few more minutes. >> i will stay as long as you want. >> what do these people do? what do they do now? the folks, the 11 million, 20 million, whoever you want to deport? >> i go to the 12-year-old in houston. >> that is one out of 11 million. we can take the remaining time of the segment -- >> in texas, undocumented immigrants are 37.1% less likely to be convicted of a crime, undocumented immigrants, according to a survey, done in california -- >> tell that to the survivors of the young lady killed in texas. >> i am just giving numbers. >> what you tell the parents of those people, those young girls that are being killed? >> what is the difference between to legal immigrant who, fortunately, engages in that activity? >> we don't like that, i want to be clear. we don't use the term illegal or undocumented or illegal. >> undocumented individuals versus anyone else who commits the same crime? i mean, if so, what you are saying it is because you have this instance of into will jewels -- individuals behaving

badly and that is a reflection of individuals in that community and that is just not the case. >> what is the case is the preponderance -- >> that you, i just want to clarify my question, that is what i am trying to do. what percentage of those individuals you want to get rid of and make them move out of the country actually commit crimes? >> our analysis of texas, georgia and new york show a preponderance of the illegals who have come in >> unattached males and they are unattached males and they are not even making any attempt to be legal. >> obviously, 10 out of 1000 or are you talking about? i am just trying to get -- >> i would just say and alicia, if she was sitting here, she would say, you are weaponize in a horrific murder to smear 11 million people. >> what biden is doing his weaponize in the entire country. >> before you go, we want to ask you about abortion. >> awesome.

>> it is top of mind for folks on the wait for the supreme court's decision. in louisiana and places all over this country, abortion care is unavailable to people when they need it. you and the organization in this plan talks about changing the department of health and human services to the department of life. do you think women in america should be able to get an abortion if that is what the doctor says they need? >> abortion is not healthcare. i find it really interesting. you would not support the change of the name to the department of life. i thought we were all in support of life. we believe in women's rights, particularly, women's rights in the womb. the real question you should be asking -- >> i just want to know, it is my question. i just want to know, do you believe -- >> we believe abortion should not happen but you believe abortion should happen until three days until the infant is born. >> that is absurd and an absurd

assertion. do you all -- >> does heritage and project 2025 believe that a woman should be able to have an abortion if her doctor says she needs one, yes or no? >> abortion is not healthcare. you are killing another human being. >> i just a great. dr. kevin roberts, i am so glad you are here. we are so disappointed you could not hear alicia. >> thank you for having me. we'll be right back, folks. ♪ ♪ olks. ♪ ♪ my frequent heartburn had me taking antacid after antacid all day long but with prilosec otc just one pill a day blocks heartburn for a full 24 hours. for one and done heartburn relief, prilosec otc. one pill a day, 24 hours, zero heartburn.

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first, can i just say, thank you, dr. kevin roberts, for coming on. because, you know, we want to have the conversations and ask questions. i am glad he said yes. >> i am, too. i just want to say it is important to have those who heard those be able to assess for themselves his answers to some of our questions with respect to the weaponization of the federal civil service, certainly, the last exchange, the last two exchanges on immigration, and abortion, which are very important to a lot of our audience. i appreciate his coming on and having that discussion. having said that, i think there is also a recognition that there is an underlying level of extremism with respect to individual rights and liberties. >> the rights and liberties that our constitution gives to an immigrant, however they come across our borders. they are protected. there is a due process, which is a little out of whack and we need to fix it.

you can't, from my view, answer the question, you are talking about 11 million people in you are telling me all of them are committing crimes? give me a percentage. the answer is a preponderance, i don't know what that is. with respect to the last moment with symone on abortion, recognizing that a woman has a right to make that choice. i don't get to make it for her. you know what? god did not give me that power. so, the reality of it is, this, you know, we need to do the performative stuff, changing the names of buildings and departments to reflect the cultural chance to meet is not in step with what our constitution requires or allows. it was good to have that discussion anyway. >> i thought my question was exactly right, in essence, it

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ideas of project 2025, let's be clear, it is the blueprint to transform american government and society from liberal democracy to an autocracy. one of the core things is dismantling the administrative state . that is closed. who is the genesis of this idea? it is steve bannon. [ laughter ] i know because i wrote an op-ed, i was very frank as i wrote it for cnn, trump and ban it's coup in the making. it describes the plan for executive orders that would transform government to dismantle the government and to institute like a governance structure that allowed the executive to not have controls on him anymore. this is one of the main influences we see in project 2025. this is a radical right project

. the other thing i just want to say to start off is, it is an interesting quote of dr. roberts that they tell the truth with a smile on their face. they have to have a smile on their face because what their project will do, it is a recipe for mass chaos, mass hardship. i mean, think about the human, social and economic actual outcomes of abolishing the department of commerce, if you have people in business you are watching, they want to abolish the department of commerce because they want to remove regulations on the economy. the department of education, the department of justice, all the things that are integral to the health of our children, you know, the integrity of our society, national security, all of this is supposed to go because the real project is to destroy the governance apparatus and the civil servants of liberal democracy and create this structure and the personnel that will support autocracy.

>> ruth, we have about a minute left but i want to know what you made on his nonanswer on accepting the results of the 2024 election? >> this is in line of what all the gop lawmakers are saying. of course, they say if it is not fraudulent. they have said many times, including dr. roberts, democrats can do whatever they want but they will be winning. think about the apparatus of tens of thousands of people, 100 organizations, already working as though the election won't even matter, like they will come in no matter what. that answer is in line with this kind of autocratic mode of thinking, which does not respect free and fair elections anymore. >> professor ruth ben-ghiat, we could use about an hour but we don't have it. thank you so much for the time we did have. there is another hour of "the weekend" in a few minutes. we are joined by christy

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welcome back to the weekend, we start this hour with new developments and donald trump's classified documents case and judge cannon. yesterday, she actually held a hearing on whether jack