tv Alex Witt Reports MSNBC June 22, 2024 10:00am-11:00am PDT
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weekend while trump remains on the campaign trail and within this hour he will speak to conservatives at a faith and freedom coalition conference in d.c. and later he will speak at a rally in philadelphia. the biden/harris campaign announcing a series of events across the country next week arcing two years since the overturning of roe v wade. while we await two more big decisions from the supreme court next week, both with connections to the former president, a rolling on his claims of absolute immunity and a rolling on a january 6th obstruction charge. we've got a number of reporters in place ready to go for these developments, we began in philadelphia where trump will hold the campaign rally tonight. i know it's going to be a hot night in philly. what will the former president's message the ahead of the thursday debates? >> these folks in line are absolutely feeling the heat right now, that is not dampening the enthusiasm here,
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this is part of his continuing effort to reach out to black voters here in philly and this comes as he's prepping for the debate and as we are learning more about the finances and the campaign cash halls for both the biden and trump campaigns, watch. >> former president trump eroding president biden's lead in the campaign cash rates, a postconviction windfall bringing in $141 million in may for the trump campaign. it comes with the first presidential debate less than a week away. >> i'm looking forward to the debate on thursday night and we have to show that the man is mostly incompetent. >> tonight the vice president weighing in during an exclusive
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msnbc interview. >> i think the debate is going to make clear the contrast between our president, the current president, who works on behalf of the american people, and the former president who pretty much spends full-time fighting for himself. >> a strong performance could help win over voters like kurt, a republican who voted for haley in the gop primary. >> you voted for a candidate that wasn't in the race anymore, why? >> i felt it was important my voice was heard and to send a message that there are others out there like me that would prefer an alternative to president trump. >> haley won 20% of republican primary voters after leaving the race, the biden campaign targeting these voters while haley has endorsed trump. the question now, where did the voters go in november. >> it would be between biden and a protest vote. >> david says he's not sold on either candidate but is eager to watch.
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>> a nine bead -- 90 minute debate will be interesting, with no notes. >> the dnc has sent messages and brought advertising around here, there are trucks driving around with a message saying basically the former president is bad for black america, trying to get the message out as he tries to court this core group of the democratic base, alex. >> thanks for standing outside in the heat, i appreciate you even more. what do you know about all of this, allie? >> reporter: this is crunch time for the president, ahead of what is expected to be the biggest primetime moment of this election cycle so far, and
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the president is using some of the perks of his position to really prep for this high- stakes moment. he's hunkering down at this remote retreat of camp david to huddle with those closest in his team, to prepare for this, we know that he was asked when he left for camp david how the preps were going to go and he gave a thumbs up to the cameras as he departed but as far as what we now, these intensive sessions consist of, we know they are being led by his former chief of staff and the president is also surrounded by his closest advisors and they are preparing the president for the policy that's expected to be brought up but also, those unscripted moments, was inevitably going to be, they expect, the unscripted personal jabs from trump so all that is being factored into the preparations underway at camp david and as you heard, our
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colleagues had an interview with vice president harris and she talked about what she expects to be the main goal that president biden will aim to hit on the debate stage on thursday, listen. >> joe biden and this debate will make clear the contrast, you know, of the many issues in our country and our world, that are complex and nuanced, november of 2024 is binary, and when you look at the difference, i would ask people to really imagine what the world would be like on january 20th in 2025. on the one hand -- >> the biden team really sees thursday's debate as an opportunity to reach an audience of voters that really haven't been tuned into this election cycle so far, they are planning a robust rapid response team to follow along with the debate and they are also planning to send surrogates on the ground in atlanta where the debate will
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be held to drive home the presidents messaging even further. >> okay, thank you, for that. you can watch the rest of the vice presidents exclusive interview with mika on morning joe monday morning starting at 6:00 eastern right here on msnbc. this breaking news on the extreme heat, as millions of americans are under heat warnings and parts of the midwest and the northeast, and north carolina, temperatures will reach triple digits with the risk of dangerous rip currents along the coast. record-setting temperatures are cost -- expected across several cities. and in queens, a search is underway after two teenagers went missing off of the beach last night due to the dangerous rip tides. >> the currents are extremely dangerous. >> let's get more on the heat from george so lease in philadelphia, hey george. >> reporter: alex you might as
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well nickname the city he philadelphia, something you cannot be without today, water, we have plenty of it, making sure we stay hydrated and it's one of those key things that is essential, when surviving a heat wave like this. also lose the clothing and finding shade and even in the shade, you can feel the sweltering temperatures. it's been feeling like this for days, this oppressive heat, it's not just with the mercury says, it's what it feels like outside, triple digit heat, and that is a big concern for health officials which is why the cooling centers are open for anyone who doesn't have ac. lots of families taking advantage, mr. softy, making a quick buck with all of the ice cream he's selling and they will be doing a lot of that here today, ordinarily, you might see this area packed with visitors and people trying to enjoy the waterfront, not so much the case right now because people are waiting for the
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temperatures to dip a little bit with a little bit of cloud cover or just waiting for the heatwave to start simmering down into the early evening hours. june, by some standards was cooler, this heat came on so aggressively that we all are having a little bit of trouble acclimating to it but we are surviving but it's tough right now. we are hearing from hospitals that we are starting to see a spike in people visiting because of the heat health emergency. we are potentially looking to break a heat record this weekend so no relief in sight just yet but as one person out here told me, when it's winter we all complain it's too cold, some people attributing that to climate change but the fact of the matter is no matter how you slice it, it's hot out here so taking those precautions is necessary, staying safe, absolutely necessary, listening to your body and knowing when
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the supreme court delivers a critical decision on gun rights, but no ruling yet on trump's claim about absolute presidential immunity delaying the january 6th trial. any new filing opposing the lifting of trump's gag order in the hush money case, it highlights violent threats against the manhattan district attorney and others involved in the trial. 89 of them in 2023, 60s in 2024. two bomb threats on the first day of the trial. so all of this while a new trump social media blast features steve bannon's threats of retribution against the last two former fbi directors. here is former attorney general eric holder. >> i'm very concerned about what the former president said he's going to do, steve bannon, what he says he's going to do and i take them at their word. i think we've learned from the
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first term, open investigations, use the law in ways that's inconsistent with the neutral way in which the justice department is supposed to operate. >> joining me now is joyce spence, former u.s. attorney and msnbc legal analyst, and hugo low, senior political correspondent with the guardian. joyce, our trump supporters already responding to his retribution variant call? >> you know the problem with this is there is appropriate response and inappropriate response, political advocacy, always appropriate in this country but you never know when someone on the fringe will be motivated to violence by some of these words and that's the real risk that prosecutors are trying to avoid by keeping the gag order in place and hopefully imposing concern for consequences like the potential for incarceration on behalf of
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the former president. >> and to that point, in the hush money case, the manhattan da says that all line threats, saying people who remain unnamed in the filing should be in witness protection, choice, can any of this impact trump's sentencing on july 11th? >> it absolutely can, you know mark has indeterminate sentencing for nonviolent crimes like this, the real issue in trump's case is whether he will receive a sentence of probation or custody and sentences of probation are typically reserved for people who the judge believes that they can comply with all of the conditions of release, so this place is whether the gag order will remain in place and what other conditions might be involved in a probationary sentence.
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in other words if you are donald trump and you are playing smart, this is not the time to continue to threaten people. >> so hugo, i want to play a former staffer for trump talking about retribution and what she witnessed in the oval office? >> there was a meeting that he and i were both in, where trump a straight up says, a staffer who leaked a story should be executed and bill barr said i don't recall that specific incident. but there were others. >> alyssa farrah griffin said this came out more than one so this is not mental flatulence, he has given it serious thought. can a sitting president with a willing attorney general put this in motion? >> reporter: it would be interesting to see, right? we've seen and reported on trump and his allies trying to come up with what he wants to accomplish in a second term. and in the event that trump installs a sympathetic and loyal attorney general and he
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can just call him up and say hey i want you to prosecute these guys, i think it's possible. i also see and envision a scenario where trump goes not only do we want to prosecute them but we want to make their life miserable whether it's through the irs, we know that trump went after his political enemies, this is the sort of thing that is discussed a lot in trump world, and i think everyone should take it at face value. >> so joyce, what is the impact of the supreme court's delay on the trump immunity ruling and resulting delay in his january 6th trial, does it benefit him politically and is that something that justices would or should consider? >> it benefits him politically and legally for all of the obvious reasons, there won't be a trial before the election and that has impacts in both spheres that he is operating in,
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it's never appropriate for justices to rule on cases on the basis of information that doesn't involve the facts and the laws. and by the same token, it's not appropriate for a court to delay its ruling unnecessarily and here there is a tradition on the supreme court, every justice gets the time that they need to write their own opinion so you can easily imagine a scenario where there are a number of dissents and concurrences that are being drafted, and those justices are entitled to take their time but for heaven sakes, this is a situation where the case was well . before it went to the court and this notion that the delay doesn't have consequences in this particular instance, that the delay itself becomes something that is inappropriate for the court to engage in, it's difficult to shake at this point. >> politico is recording -- reporting on a rift in the supreme court seeing tony barrett and justice thomas are
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having a rift. could this be what is holding up the immunity decision? >> you know, possibly, i suspect that this plays less in the immunity case than it is for instance and the gun case that was decided yesterday and i'm not sure if it's really a rift because it was an 8-1 decision, only justice thomas took this absolutist view of the second amendment said, i think the problems in the immunity case are in some ways very practical, most legal scholars agree there has to be some sort of scope of immunity when they've got to make a snap decision but by the same token it's clear that president shouldn't have immunity when they engage in insurrections, so
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if you believe and justice course which made this point in justice sotomayor , they shouldn't have to make sweeping decorations for all time, courts are supposed to decide the issue in front of them so this court to make a decision about the scope of immunity and simply say, this is not it. we will leave for future cases where there might be a dividing line but we know a president who tries to overturn an election, they should not have immunity. >> they can find that he has no immunity or absolute immunity or they can split the decision and let judge chutkan decide which actions were done in an official capacity. but the ruling should come by the first week of july, there's
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no question as to whether it would be complete -- concluded by the election but could at least start? >> that's an interesting question because it depends on how the supreme court writes its opinion and how it remands the case back to the lower court. we should expect there to be a remand with instructions for a lower court to go through the indictment and take out elements that are clearly things that are protected, things like the presidents ability to fire the attorney general, you know from's lawyers argue that should be taken out. michael dreben, when he argued on behalf of the special counsel's office said that there should be some level of that. but the question is, how long this process takes to go through the indictment and strikeout, that could take
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weeks, and it really depends on whether we have to go line by line, i will say the justice department appears to be of the opinion that if this is expedited and goes back to judge chutkan , then there is a scenario where a trial could start in september. >> one more quick question to you hugo because you are there in florida covering the classified documents case, judge cannon is hearing five pretrial motions over three days and you have an exclusive report on one of those hearings, what is going on there? >> reporter: so the majority of these hearings yesterday and through the next week has to do with the appointment of the special counsel and whether that was done unlawfully. our reporting is for the tuesday hearing which will be conducted under seal.
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the reason why this is significant is because the notes form a key part of the obstruction case. you go back to the indictment, you see that the justice department put all of these things back, and i think the form is important evidence of trump having the obstructive intent. >> hugo lowell, joyce vance, thank you . the new details we are learning about a story that shouldn't have happened, but did. but did. ♪♪
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we have breaking news, new details about a shooting that left three dead and 10 wounded at a grocery store in arkansas. the 44-year-old suspect exchanged fire with officers before being shot and injured and taken into custody friday. i sat here last week talking about a terrible shooting at a waterpark in michigan, this week, we have another at a grocery store in arkansas. what is law enforcement telling you today and how is the community responding to this tragedy? >> reporter: that's right, alex, there have been more than 230 mass shootings in america since the beginning of this year alone. this is a very small town, 4000 people, about 70 miles south of little rock. everybody knows each other and everyone i've spoken to knew someone who was inside of the grocery store. they say they frequented that grocery store themselves and now that the store is close,
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they have signed saying please pray for our community, the nearest grocery store to this one is 30 minutes away. let's take a listen to one woman who i spoke to, what she had to say about this horrific tragedy. >> it was just a sad and dramatic time for all of us and i just can't believe it. i've been here for 36 years. i have never, never once seen this happen. it's a lot of people that we know on a daily basis that come to this grocery store. this grocery store down here has good people in it and i mean, good people. and when i say you go in a grocery store and you see smiles, this is what you see everyday. >> reporter: so witnesses describe a suspect, a gunman in the parking lot, opening fire and nbc has obtained video of what appears to be a gunman holding what looks like a long gun and shooting at parked cars
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and we've also heard from witnesses that say that the gunman then went inside of the grocery store and opened fire there. of the 11 people who were shot, three are dead. we've heard one of them is a 23- year-old woman who was a nurse, it was her day off and she came here to go grocery shopping. she leaves a 10-month-old behind. the suspect is 44-year-old travis posey and officials who have been briefed said there are no indications that this was anything related to any sort of extremism or hate crime, alex. >> i hate hearing these details, thank you very much. a party in the hebronx toda that's bring out some big names in the democratic party democrat
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three of the most progressive members in congress are joining faces as early voting is underway. what are we hearing from them today? >> reporter: alex, what you heard from these three progressive lawmakers was an attempt to reframe this race. moments got challenges from some of the criticism that he's had of israel, but we are seeing an attempt to make it
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more of a discussion about big money and politics which as you know is a cause that tends to motivate progressives. every supporter that i asked, they all cited the fact that aipac which is a pro israel lobby group has invested millions of dollars against jamaal bowman. take a listen to what congresswoman alexandria ocasio- cortez had to say when she was speaking. >> there's a reason why this borough sent bowman to congress. and there's a reason why we well defend him on tuesday because we are built different. we know what it means to go toe to toe and stare down a barrel of big money. we know what it means to face long odds because all our odds
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are always long odds and that has never stopped us and it never will stop us. >> so $15 million, that was the number of the day, supporters continuously pointed that number as evidence of big money trying to influence a local race and another thing you can expect is sort of emphasizing that moment, despite attacks on his track record of supporting biden, he will continue to support the pro-palestinian cause and if they push that message, that they will be able to win this tuesday. >> thank you so much for the update on that. i appreciate that. like cramming for a final, that's how one former aide is describing biden's debate prep as he gathers with his team at
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camp david. organizers hope that new rules will help prevent chaotic moments like this one for years ago. >> vote now, make sure that you let people know -- >> why wouldn't you answer the question. >> the question is -- >> radical left. >> will you shut up, man. this is so unpresidential. >> every time i hear that, will you shut up, man, that was funny. but let's talk about what this prep looks like for biden, nbc news reports that it's getting more intense as the debate approaches with several full- length mock debates, so what is biden's approach to debates, what is the main focus in these rehearsals that are underway?
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>> i think the president will go through his accomplishments over the last four years and i think he's probably refining his answers, i think the president is looking to report some stuff but i think that he is focusing on what he had done and what he is doing and now he has a record to defend. >> so cnn is reporting that bauer, president biden's personal lawyer, will once again play trump during debate rehearsal so how different is trump compared to four years ago, how different are the preparations? >> i'm not sure they are incredibly different, i think they will be a little more personal, the attacks. i think trump focuses on living in the past and what has happened to him and biden needs to report that with things that he is actually done for the american people. so i just think that the
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attacks will probably be more personal so i think the president is coming up with some lines to help deflect that. >> i'm curious what you think about this, because presidents running for reelection sometimes struggle in their first debate. one historian said it's because incumbents are sort of in a bubble and don't hear conflicting information. have you think biden's team is working to avoid this and since trump is surrounded by yes-men, can he fall victim to it? >> neither one of these men have debated in four years, and i also think biden does watch the news and he does hear people and he doesn't surround himself with yes people so i think it's different for president biden, but also some of the coverage recently has been negative towards him so i do think he is going to be
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prepared but neither one of them has debated in four years so it should be an interesting night. >> for the first time, the candidates mics will be muted when it's not there turn to speak. is that going to make it any more civilized, could it create any negative effects? >> it's muted to the people watching at home but not muted in the room so they can still hear each other talking and how will that play to the folks on tv, i think having -- not having an audience will be helpful. in the clip that she played, trump was playing to the audience a little bit so i think that'll be impactful. >> timing wise, biden and trump's first debate in 2020, that didn't happen until september but because these nominees have been known for so long this time, everything has been pushed up. does the timing have an impact? >> nothing has really moved the needle, the convictions haven't moved it and nothing has given either one of these candidates
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a push in the polls, so i think having it come earlier gets more people to focus and it comes down to the 6 to 7 states, 40,000 people at the end of the day. i do think this debate will help focus people's efforts and energy more on the election in november. >> them in your position as a former special assistant to president biden, i am curious your sense of how he is approaching this. how do you think he feels with the pressure, with knowing that he's going up against somebody who he will want to utter that, will you just shut up, man, line, but we will see. give me a sense of how you think he is going at this? >> the president always comes prepared. he is a game day person. he shows up on game day to perform and do the best that he can. i think president trump has set expectations very low for biden, so i think when he shows up in outperforms everyone's
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expectations, that'll be great but i also think trump is downplaying his role here, too, and i do think he will show up and i think he will be more disciplined. i don't think president trump is going to be the undisciplined person just shouting over biden the whole time but president biden comes prepared and the state of the union is a perfect example. >> i know the feeling is that president biden always tries to take the high road. are there times that he is going to want to punch back and should he? because we are in a different place than we were four years ago. the further polarization of this country, trump is always punching, to some democrats want to see biden punch back? >> i do think they want to see that. i think it shows strength on his part. it also has to be on policy and how trump left the country, i
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this monday marks two years since the supreme court decision that overturned roe v wade and ended the guaranteed right to an abortion in the united states. 13 states banned the procedure out right with severe restrictions in 11 states and debate over access escalates at the ballot box and the courtroom. currently, we await the us supreme court ruling on whether a federal law requiring hospitals to provide emergency care overrules idaho's abortion ban. joining me now is amanda, who state -- sued the state of texas after she nearly died when doctors refused to give her an abortion after she nearly died. glad to have you here, amanda, first of all, how are you feeling as we approach this anniversary?
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>> thank you for having me. i'm happy to be here. that's a complicated question, you know, there are a lot of emotions that i am feeling right now, i think, as i look back over the last two years, it's impossible not to feel sad and heartbroken that all of the pain and suffering and chaos that has been unleashed across the country as result of this decision but at the same time, i feel really hardened and motivated because, i've been able to see how much this issue is motivating and galvanizing people and we are really coming together as a nation to fix this. and it brings me a lot of hope. >> can you, based on your experience, talk about how huge the stakes are here? >> oh my gosh, they are astronomical. they could not be higher. you know, with everything that's going on in the country and what has happened over the last two years, i think we've seen maggie republicans coming after rights and protections and access to healthcare.
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this is about our freedoms as americans, and there's no greater stake than our rights as americans, and so, that's why i have dedicated the last two years to fighting for this because it couldn't be a more important election. >> the texas medical board adopted guidance yesterday for how to handle exceptions to the states abortion ban, the guidance now says doctors don't need to wait until a medical emergency is eminent to perform an abortion but is that enough for the providers to be confident in the law and avoid what happened to you from happening to someone else? >> now, the short answer is no. the texas medical board unfortunately have the opportunity to really carve out when doctors can provide healthcare and really provide clarity so doctors felt like they could provide medicine and healthcare with confidence and not have to be scared about
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whether the attorney general will hunt them down and put them in jail and unfortunately the board didn't really do that. we heard that from many physicians in the meetings with public comments, so they just didn't do what they needed to do and it's unfortunate. >> organizers in montana have gathered enough signatures to put an amendment proposal on the ballot training abortion rights in that state's constitution. similar amendments could appear in another 10 states. how big of an impact to you think the abortion issue will have on the election? >> i think it's incredible that people are working together and fighting to get these ballot measures on the ballot, but i think what you need to keep top of mind is that if trump is
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reelected in november, as exciting as those measures are, it doesn't mean anything because he has said that he will impose a national abortion ban and that will supersede any sort of state protections and so i think that we need to think about how this is mobilizing people and be proud and excited that people are motivated by this issue but we also need to keep in mind that if trump is reelected unfortunately, no one's going to be safe. >> you've been traveling the country and sharing your story with people one on one i've seen you on television and i imagine it's hard to be so public about such a private and difficult time, i've seen you on television when you've been reduced pretty close to tears, why do you do it, what is the hardest part about this? >> well thank you for saying that, i appreciate that because it is difficult. but every time i speak out or i
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go to a rally or i attend a campaign event, i'm surrounded by people who have stories like mine and when i talk about what happened to me, i recognize i'm not just telling my story, i'm telling the story of so many people across the couno have either been to something like me or they know someone who has or they are scared they are going to and the stories are critical, they are so important for people to hear, and i know that i'm fighting not just for myself but also for my fellow americans and that's what keeps me going. it's hard, it's exhausting but it's also really motivating and i take it seriously. >> amanda, do you ever get a chance to speak to somebody who met first is going to hold an adversarial view to what you are trying to accomplish and you find that by the end of your discussion they may have come around? >> yes, it happens all the time. unfortunately the word abortion is still pretty stigmatizing and polarizing but i think we've made a lot of progress
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over the last couple of years but it's still a polarizing term. when i speak to folks and i told him specifically about what happened to me or about some of the people that i've met when i've been doing this work, it really changes hearts and minds. i'm hopeful it will change votes in november but that's what we are seeing, when people hear these personal stories and when they see a person, an actual person, who has been harmed by these laws, that's when they put the pieces together and their minds start to change and that's why i keep having these conversations and i keep telling the stories because it is what is going to move the needle in november. >> you have my admiration, hope to see you again. >> thanks for having me. next hour, i will speak with the author of a new book on trump presidency plus what trump said about trjoan rivers.
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