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welcome to the beat weekend, i'm ari melber, let's get right into the headlines. tonight, political junkies are eyeing these key places of the presidential election will be decided, and states where either biden or trump could win with close margins. that's what is going to come down to pick if there is one thing, that both of these campaigns agree on is this a race will turn out what you see on those screens. those key states, even holding some rallies as you see there on the left in a state they lost by over 20 points last time. the race is going to be decided in texas where biden visited this year pick the state to highlight border security.

for all the focus on what the candidates are doing on what is happening, out there as they campaign and make their arguments and talk about policy, what's actually going on in these states could matter more right now. and i will tell you what people are talking about their. basically anything except the campaign. check the front pages right now in these estates and you will see stories about whether, housing. you won't see any major front-page story in these case states were i'm showing these papers about the election at all. it's almost like it hasn't begun. even as we know the parties pick their nominee and one is a felon and there is plenty to debate it's the same pattern on local tv news in many of these states, we checked. the stories are about local issues or whether but not 2024. and monitoring tv and print news is a gauge for the people who are exposed to it, who follow some kind of news, but that's not all. a lot of other people are tuned up completely. there is a growing trend, this

is a real thing, it's called news avoiders. there's a recent book about this, avoiding the newspapers is people who have actively decided to avoid news and info for a variety of reasons, and the share of people who do this has risen to over 35% of america, according to reuters. can you blame them? i resent report notes about six in 10 americans say they are already worn out by coverage of the campaign. remember, this is the campaign that is coming. it hasn't even fully begun. there are studies that suggest this is not even only about politics, but that it began with covid. i'm sure you remember, the news was constant and scary and some people after watching it for however long couple weeks or months, began to tune away and say, maybe i don't need to do this regularly. and that, as part of the reason for the context for the biden campaign breaking president to jumpstart the earliest presidential debate. it's next week, the first summer debate ever. it's an event that will break on tv and the internet to a

nation that may not even realize this is happening until it happens next thursday. there's a political context for that as well. the biden campaign believes they will benefit from election vote earlier they think the biden campaign is focused on trump is only an autocrat, could be a losing strategy, especially as voters are worried about inflation and the economy. biden's campaign is seeking a more direct contrast to trump on a stage, both of them, on those policies. they think that may help biden more than this current glare that is often on biden alone. and that memories of trumps actual leadership or leadership failures in style may fade. us with the debating, both candidates are rusty. is not a criticism of either of them, it's just true. they haven't debated in a long time. the president, of course, but it doesn't have to debate, he basically became the parties nominee again. trump skips his debates figure he will win without them and he

did i can remind you, these candidates have only debated once in the last seven years and that was with each other and a lot has happened since then. no, joe biden has more overall experience debating, as you can see if you check the vault. >> the united states economy has to be revitalized not just for the sake of america but for the sake of the whole world. >> i do have a record of significant a compliment. i have a track record of being able to cross over and get things done. i have 35 years of public office. people can judge why am. a lot of people died and a lot more are going to die unless he gets a lot smarter a lot quicker. >> a little memory lane there. for donald trump, debates have served him, whether you like him or not, he has been effective when he has used them to on offense, to be mean, to be petty. but, they also did not save his presidency when he had that debate against biden.

>> i never attacked him on his look, and believe me, there is plenty of subject matter right there. lying ted. you are the puppet. >> so, we will have this high- stakes moment for both candidates in this very specific context of told you about, the biden campaign wants to start this thing earlier, which means it's not going perfectly yet for them and that the last time these folks did face-off, again, you could say biden won the debate or election, but whatever happened, it was on the road to donald trump losing, and that's when he was the incumbent. now we have a very special panelist off our show tonight. i'm thrilled to tell you back on msnbc is abby huntsman, you may know her as a former cohost of the view and to most of ours right here on msnbc and were joined by obama campaign veteran, jake. welcome to both of you. >> good to be here. >> great to have you. j, we will get you in a moment. >> do you have an intro

specifically for me? totally news deprived? >> if you like that? does your resume? >> absolutely. there are so many people out there. i remember sitting in a different studio on al sharpton's show six, seven or eight years ago talking about donald trump and being crooked and here we are again, running for whatever time this is, probably he could very well win. >> this is his third race. smith the debate is interesting because i think the debates in general don't have a tremendous impact. it's fun to watch, but in this case is going to be a little bit different. is higher for president biden than trump. >> i notice your eyes were sitting on the set as we were looking at biden through the years. on the one hand he has been underestimated. he didn't just left the salon -- long to be donald trump. the question he faces is, if he at that level or not in the

past debates he won? it looks different when you look back picks for macbeth the question that a lot of people have. as you said, we are a week away. we are to close for anybody to plot because are both going to show up? are they going to show up on the stage? and if biden pulls out, i think there are concerns about his mental health. why did he show up? if trump holds out, he is giving the system, of course. >> i don't think biden is jumping out. the engineered this earlier. >> have to be so nervous. there are moments where you do question, is he fully aware of what is going on? i do think that is a concern for people. you look back at the last election between the two of them, and it wasn't that people voted for biden because they were so enthusiastic and excited. we are so exhausted by the trump years, we are so over this. we want something else, and so four years later, he has to provide something different. we have short-term memories. i don't know what i ate for

breakfast this morning. people forget how tiring those trump years were. so now they are in a place where they are like, who was the better of the two? now i'm not really sure. there is a big chunk of the population who will be watching this debate and making that decision. as you said in your intro, a lot of these people at the end of the day, they vote with their emotions. is their pocketbook, not the latest trump trial. it is, how am i feeling about my life? i'm concerned about immigration. whatever the topic is for them, that's what they will vote on, and you only go to the polls -- . it is always the same thing. you have to be motivated to get out to vote. you have to be excited about that person. i think the biden administration should focus, to your point, first and foremost on how do you get people enthusiastic? how do you get excited for me? >> j, how about that point which abby raises? the memory or even for some, nostalgia has benefited trump, and the biden folks think next

week they can change that. >> yeah, i think the idea that business -- this nostalgia has benefited trump is a false talking point because if you look at it, trump is basically where he has always been. about 41% of the polls. he is probably going to get 45% at the end of this whole thing. his ceiling is 47%, which is what he got less time and still lost. trump's number is fixed. the issue is that biden is losing so much to independence. he is losing so much to third- party independent bids and the people who are undecided. that's really where the race is. is between biden and the third parties and those voters who are looking for an alternative beyond trump and biden. this debate allows joe biden to make a sale to them. >> interesting pics that's why the debate is going to be so important and why the stakes are higher for heightened this

time. >> i want to tap what is going out in the country. more people are using tiktok that even google to look at things. abby, i happen to know you have kids so maybe you are familiar with tiktok. >> i'm going to keep that off for as long as possible. >> j, there are folks that say, this age thing, it's unfair. you don't want to talk about it but reagan faced it, trump faces it because he is over retirement age, as is the current president. we want to take a look at how this is going online. >> we are 75% of voters who want maximum age limit for officials. >> bill clinton was president. he is still younger than joe biden, the current president, and donald trump. >> are we ready to admit the democrats are not the lesser of two evils but the other side of the same coin. >> the united states is so cooked for the elections of this year.

>> j, you worked in campaigns, you have to deal with people where they are in an effective campaign. tv, internet, if you want to change the channel, go ahead. but the people will still be there whether you listen or not. i make a point to show, young people and others who are concerned about this with two aging candidates who have no reason to think are going to change. that is the choice, and yet it seems that sometimes the biden campaign is going to get hit harder for the spirit your thoughts on all of that. is it important for the campus to keep an eye on what people are posting and sing on tiktok? >> akamai think the biden campaign is being hit much harder than this and it's because of individuals. i make fun of it, a lot of communities make fun of it. donald trump colors his hair from he uses that 10 and he does all of that. i have news for you. on some deep level, it actually works. he does actually look younger because he uses all that makeup , all that her coloring, all that imagery to make himself loops us. >> maybe i should try.

>> yeah, unfortunately, that has an impact and it has an impact on people who don't really follow the news and are just seeing the visual image, which is why this debate is so important. it's very important that joe biden be out there and speak extemporaneously for a good long period of time in a rational, logical manner and people can see it and then they can see the contrast with donald trump who sounds very much like an old man with old ideas. >> i agree with that in large part what you mentioned reagan in that first part, and he was older. but he had something different that biden doesn't had. he has the ability to be inspirational. the morning in america. those ads with the sun coming up, you felt something. when he spoke, it was like, you felt like he was going to do something for this country. he was going to make your life better. he made you believe that, and that is the gift of politicians, and i think that's what biden is lacking.

what they have to focus on, bigger than just the debate, how do we inspire people? how do we convince people and that's going to come from him. you have to talk rectally to the american people and convince them, this is what i'm better. this is the work i've done the has major loves better but it all comes down to communication and your ability to connect with people. is an emotional choice at the end of the day. >> let's put up the rules here, again, it will be a different style debate. people remember the crowds and this and that. they remember the over talking. this is more like a high school debate where the microphones will be turned off. there will be no audience. props are not allowed and they will do the normal coin flip. how much do those rules, which was more important in the biden campaign, matter in people hearing what you just suggested, which is extemporaneous from both candidates? >> yeah, i think it matters a great deal because i think the second rule, no studio audience, is a huge advantage

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second trump term really does promise to be far worse because it trumps first term is defined by chaos, his second could be defined by ruthless efficiency. that should be troubling to absolutely everyone. >> john oliver mixing his jokes with a warning about what a second trump term would entail based on the reporting and claims and confessions.

a lot of people feel they know what a biden second term would be, a continuation, a version of the first. what would donald trump second term entail? there are republican allies, trump many minors who argue that for all the bluster, the second term will not really end democracy as we know it. we have heard that and that's a common refrain on wall street. the people who have actually served and trumps white house, vowing something very different. a two front war, dismantle of the administrative state, and prosecute trumps perceived enemies and what they called the deep state. >> by the way, we are also going to have teams because we can multitask to deconstruct the administrative state and go after the criminals and the tray tours in the deep state. >> there you have it picked that's not an obscure individual, steve bannon was in the white house for trump. some democrats think that right now bannon is helping them.

they are leaning in and really trying to get attention and scrutiny on a written plan that should scare voters. you probably heard about this project 2025, which tried to grant trump larger powers, dismantle the government programs and limit the reproductive rights of women around the country. when senator to mobilize voters. >> republicans intend to ban abortion nationwide, and it's not just me saying that. they have made their plan public for all the world to see, plain as day, it's called project 2025. they don't even need congress to pass bills for most of it. they will try to do this with just donald trump in the white house wielding the power of the presidency. >> this is a choice. he does not have to be resolved through anger or violence or sound bites or cheap videos. it can be resolved through actually looking at the plans and the stated intentions of

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in our culture, conversations and and policy planning, a lot of people just say, we lived it, what do you want me to do or say? the pandemic also put doctors and science at center stage for a time in our society and showed our challenges at dealing with science and facts amidst fear and division. many as you probably remember solid scientific leaders and dr. fauci at the helm as our leaders, even possibly maybe our saviors in crisis and others saw them as billions of this conspiracy. >> dr. anthony fauci, the top expert on infectious diseases. >> your reputation is second to none. officials are providing a list of couches public comments and advice dating back several months to undermine his credibility. >> the president attacked dr. anthony fauci calling him a disaster. >> you are a spry 83 years old.

have you thought about running for president? >> no. >> those are some of the diverging views of dr. anthony fauci director of the national institute of allergy and infectious disease from 84 to 2022, and working with seven different presidencies, every single one since ronald reagan. he helped lead the country's response to a.i.d.s., sars, ebola and the pandemic, as mentioned. he is our special guest tonight with a new book on call, the doctors journey in public service. welcome. >> thank you very much. >> we did that remote thing which was safer during the pandemic. >> many times. >> everyone has heard so much from you in that government and leadership context. why did you want to reflect on all of that in the book? >> i have reached a certain stage one just reflecting back that i had a very unique opportunity, a special privilege to have had been in

public service for more than half a century and be the director of the infectious disease institute for almost 40 years and i thought i wanted to share that experience while i still had energy and passion about things because i thought, it's an important story from the perspective of someone who lived through it as opposed to a historian who comes in from the outside. that was one reason to do the book. the other reason, i felt it would serve, hopefully, as a source of inspiration for people who are either in public service and in public health or younger people who might be considering a career about how gratifying it can be, despite all the challenges, which i describe in some detail in the book. >> and you also are up close in what we can all call an unusual , and less consistent approach from president trump. we have the trump tapes where we were also talking to him. did you know at the time he was

doing these side calls? >> i did not know that, only after bob's book came out. >> will have these recordings and we also the briefings and the public stuff, but in private, he's saying to bob about, it's flaring up everywhere but we will control immediately. take a listen to this private discussion. >> it's flaring up all over the world, all over the world. that was one thing i noticed last week. you talk about this country, all over the world, it is learned there. but we have it under control. >> bob, who is seen as a very fair reporter, and like you has dealt with many presidents, interestingly went farther that he has about most other presidents. he said this idea that they had it under control was not under control. it was intentionally never under control. it was a crisis and the president was not acting. now that you are out of government, is that a fair criticism and assessment? >> no, i think it's fair because as i said in the book, when i

was talking about my interaction with him, i felt very uncomfortable when he was saying it was going to -- disappear like magic. it's going to go away because he so desperately wanted it to disappear the way flu disappears, as you enter the end of the winter and beginning of the spring. that's when i had to publicly get up, which was very uncomfortable for me. i was not happy about criticizing the president or disagreeing with the president. i said no, it's not going to disappear like magic. and when that became clear, that's when we started talking about hydroxychloroquine, which also wasn't something that had no basis in science. >> in the book you write, there was this example, that one of the residents tendency to quote, try to wish away covid with solutions that had no basis. and then you talk about your complicated relationship with then president trump, that he was irate. he would say, you can't keep doing this to him, like it was

personal. he would say, he loved me but the country was in trouble. i was making it worse. he added the stock market only went up 600 points in response to the positive phase one vaccine use and should have gone up 1000 points and so i cost the country 1 trillion dollars. was that different than any other president you have dealt with? did it strike you -- sorry i had to ask. did strike you as the wrong priority said when people were still dying? >> yeah, of course. it was like a whiplash where, in so many respects, he didn't want to be angry with me because we had up to that point a pretty good relationship and that's when he would start saying things, you know, i care about you, i like you, i love you, but that he would start screaming at me, which was kind of --. it's not fun being yelled at by the president of the united states. that was a bit unnerving, but i had to continue to tell the truth and he said, why do you keep doing this to me? it's the truth.

i'm telling the american public the facts hydroxychloroquine does not work. the part of that, that we might need when the vaccine comes out , it may not have the dribble immunity. we may need to have a booster. he got very upset at that because he wanted the country to think that once the vaccine came out, that was it. one and done. that's not what actually happens, so my prediction about that was correct. we would need boosters and he got very upset at that. it was that kind of whiplash thing where we were getting along well and then i would say something that he didn't like, and then all of a sudden i would be the bad guy. >> and that blunt fixation on selling a message or lying about it, his re-election, was that different and distinct from other presidents you dealt with? >> yeah, of course. it was obvious it was a great deal of difference, because again, i believe he wanted so badly for this to go away the way influenza goes away and

when he saw it was not going away, then he was hoping for some magical solution, and that's -- those were his words. is going to go away like magic. when that didn't work, we had to have these miracle cures like hydroxychloroquine, which he got from laura ingram on fox news and then after that he would bring in somebody like scott at lisk who was telling him what he wanted to hear. it was tough. >> it's straightening -- striking. we are going towards an election where we are choosing between these people and the pandemic is one of the most intense and high cost in lives crises you could ever have, and so americans at the time rejected trump for that and other reasons, and yet now you see them in a close race. it is sort of striking. you dealt with a lot of these figures, peter navarro who is currently incarcerated for defying a government subpoena. there you go again, navarro

shouted. i can tell by the look in his eye that he clearly dislike me. you don't know what you are talking about. you guys have blood on your hands. he repeated, his voice raised, he disagreed with the travel ban from china in late january, which was not true. did you think that mr. navarro had the requisite credentials to be a policymaker on these issues? why did you have such disagreement? what you think of him now? >> i want to comment about the federal prison, but he was just like a dog with a bone. he just got done saying, you are wrong about hydroxychloroquine. as i described in the book, he came into the situation room uninvited with a whole stack of papers putting it on the table saying --. >> can you do that? another point of that room was, not anybody can just walk in. >> these are the papers that they hydroxychloroquine works and you have blood on your hand because you are saying, you are keeping it from the american people, which actually come even took the vice president a back and said, peter, i think

you should take this outside. if you looked at mark short, who is a good guy, mark looked at him like, what the heck are you doing here? >> vice president pence thought, you should take it out? >> you told peter, please take this outside. i give the vice president credit for doing that. that was just an interruption in a serious conversation. >> i'm going to show something unusual for you and give you a second to process it because we have our shortest break. but jon stewart was just with colbert, and he came out of his semi retirement to joke about something that also is a serious, which is the origins of covid and this idea that maybe folks underplayed or paid too little attention to the stability that came out of this lab. i'm going to pray this -- play this briefly. >> there is a novel respiratory coronavirus overtaking rohan,

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anthony fauci. i just showed a clip from 2021 about whether covid might have come from a lab. where covid came from seems to matter a lot. obviously, we want to know. it matters for science and policy, and if it came from a foreign government lab, that matters a ton. i want to -- there is a lot on this but i want to hear from a recent piece of coverage that notes the year before the outbreak that same wuhan institute proposed grading viruses with this similar defining feature. the lab could not have contained an airborne virus is infectious as that, according to these researchers and the hypothesis that this covid came from an animal is no longer -- says this researcher who reviewed a lot -- supported by strong evidence. so, first of all, question to you, based on what is known now, is it more likely than not that it came from that lab? >> no. that new york times article was based on no signs. if you talk to hundred

virologists and read that article, there is no scientific basis for what she said, but let's put that aside for a moment. i'm surprised that times even let that opinion piece out. >> since you are going on that one thing, which is what people do, wall street journal, energy department of the united states, as you know, energy department now says, more likely than not, lab leak. joining the fdi investigation they feel it more spread as a mishap of that laboratory. i can give you more examples if you don't like the times. >> we have to keep an open mind, we don't know where it came from. it could have come from a lab. have an open mind. it could have come from a natural occurrence. but, four intelligence agencies think it came from a natural occurrence. >> you believe as what you know now, that is more likely? >> i believe you have to keep an open mind. the thing that gets mixed up in this is that the nih, years ago, funded a grant to do some

surveillance for viruses, which was a grant that was appropriate because we knew that the original sars came from a bat to a cat to a human. the natural thing, it would have been irresponsible not to try and figure out what else was out there. the viruses that were studied under the nih grant were evolutionarily so different from sars, that any evolutionary neurologist worth their salt will tell you, it could not possibly have come from those viruses because the precursor virus wasn't anything near evolutionary sars. having said that, but that to bed and say, could it have come from a lab in china? absolutely. that is the reason why we keep an open mind. but if you look at what evolutionary virologists do, and the data that looks that , is at a laboratory leak versus is it a natural occurrence from an animal reservoir?

overwhelmingly, the evolutionary virologists say it is more likely, not definitive, no proof, but more likely to come from a natural reservoir. what are the data to show that it came from a lab? i haven't seen that data. no one has seen it. that's the reason why i object to the new york times editorial opinion piece, because there was no new data there. again, underline, i keep an open mind. >> but your view, is a still more likely natural origin? >> that's my opinion based on the data i have. if somebody gives you proof that it came somewhere from china, i will embrace that picks them up did you notice that times in the early stage, it seemed like the lab leak was being treated as a conspiracy theory or french? is that fair to say? >> no, you have to look at the concept broadly of it coming from the lab is not a conspiracy theory. the people who believe that

made all kinds of conspiracies about it. one in particular that somehow, like jason bourne, i snuck into the cia and convinced them to say that it was not a lab leak. that is a bit of a crisis. >> it's interesting, we are dealing with facts as we do here and it is tricky because there are many false conspiracy theories about this area. we make an effort not to repeat doors -- those. and yet there was also a very strong counterattack from some in the united states against discussing lab leak at all which is as you know, feeds into that. >> that was wrong. the concept of it being a lab leak, is not a conspiracy theory. it is what people do to articulate that that became a lot of conspiracies. >> in that related vein, you served your country and you served both parties and we showed trump initially saying good things about you and then other things. you are like many other public

servants but you have a higher profile. the fact that there is a need during and after your time in office to have security. the fact that these conspiracy theories and attacks are so extreme with mr. bennett and others who have been shown talking about basis leasing should be investigated or prosecuted or worse. >> no, he wants me executed. >> alex jones talks about that. i'm careful of not giving too much voice to the worst case, but what does that say about what is wrong with discourse and debate in this country? and what is your response? >> my response is that, going back to what i said in the book that i have done this for almost 40 years and i have dealt with republican and democratic congresses and presidents. there has always been a diversity of ideological opinion. you know, middle left, far left, middle right, far right. there has never been the degree of profound divisiveness that i have seen in all of my

experience with other presidents, where you could have a situation where i got well with george bush and president george w. bush in which we did the program together to save 25 billion lives as i did with barack obama and bill clinton and joe biden. so now all of a sudden we have a country that is so divided that when somebody disagrees with you, you have people like bannon and alex jones saying, oh, kill him. what is that all about? that's completely crazy.

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the view. and our montage tonight introducing ms. huntsman, also includes some of our past work together. >> these stories are really so incredibly moving. you are in brooklyn. i can't imagine how difficult your trip has been. >> it's cold and all the snowflakes are artistically made. >> we talk about how far we have come as women but still so far to go. he was going to put me into labor. >> michelle and hillary and the plate on private, hey girl, haters going to hate. >> ever great way to end this conversation. >> we are beginning this conversation, and if that wasn't enough, look who is here, jennifer esposito. you know her from spike lee sommer of sam, blue bloods, and samantha who.

>> i thought i lost him. he came up behind me and he pushed me off the side of the road. how about a geography lesson? my father is from puerto rico. my mother is from el salvador. neither one of those is mexico. since some crazy blonde came into my locker room and accused me of canceling on you. >> a spoon. >> no, it's a deconstructed mirror. >> different than a spoon. she is writing, directing, and starting in fresh kills. this is fun. welcome to the both of you. >> this is fun. >> did you like memory lane? >> that is a flashback. oh my gosh. we go way back. we to do a radio show together. >> i didn't even fit that in. >> i want to see it next time. we must -- we must have some tapes. >> take a lighter. welcome to fallback.

abby, what is on your fallback list? >> sunscreen. i love sunscreen. the older i get, the more i realize, if there is a piece of advice i could have given my younger self, one of many's pieces of advice, it would be to put sunscreen on. >> here's the headline, there is a lot of miss info against it on tiktok. >> i have three young kids and am constantly spring the stuff. i will say, you smell these chemicals. it's a good question sometimes. is this actually good to be breathing in? and to have on your body? this, surprisingly, is what i think the government can be a little more helpful on, the fda, whether food health, our health of our bodies. they can look at these companies and say, is there a risk there? i think they are already looking into that, but i'm someone who had a mole that was going the wrong direction. my dad had melanoma. my grandpa had real issues. this was the older generation

where we didn't have this much information. he would have the paper over his -- and the goggles, but he wanted to bake in the sun. i did wonder at what point do just go in the shed? >> this is in utah? because it gets hot there. i have been there. >> >> some people just love the son. but again, you get older and you realize, not so great. >> here's the thing about the internet, somebody can weigh in and on some topics that is great. you weigh in on new music or art or redefining art. not everybody can weigh in on health and skin care effectively. people say, you should use sunscreen is actually -- . i always wonder, what is the mentality of thinking just because something is a viral video that it is true. >> that's when it gets scary. >> it's happening so much. it's frightening. >> this is just an example. we are not putting the audio

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